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Bozo_Casanova

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16 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

But I have no illusions that they truly care about the company beyond our ability to give them work and pay them for it.

That's certainly a reason to care, but as cliché as it is, I believe companies, or at least entrepreneurial growth companies, need to make meaning (as Guy Kawasaki has famously put it) to succeed, and that the profits or revenue they gain from it can't be the only mission in part because it creates behavior patterns that ultimately inhibit success.

At the last two (wildly successful) companies I've worked for people care a lot about the mission and who we work for, i.e. the meaning we try to make in the world, and the comp is treated as tablestakes. The employees all have at least a nominal level of equity, but beyond the vast majority at both places think they are making the world better and it shows up in productivity and results. 

 

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48 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Experts appear split on the contract’s effect:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/27/business/dealbook/ford-uaw-labor-electric-vehicles.html

It's wild how badly wall st is reacting to the negotiations - nothing has fundamentally changed but the stock took like a 12% haircut on the announcement. Class warfare seeing the investor class punish Ford for negotiating with the worker class

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6 hours ago, Captainant said:

It's wild how badly wall st is reacting to the negotiations - nothing has fundamentally changed but the stock took like a 12% haircut on the announcement. Class warfare seeing the investor class punish Ford for negotiating with the worker class

It's almost like wall street is only focused on quarterly projections, as if they have anything to do with long term profitability or even long term reality.  GTFO.  We will live and die by three month results and we will be thankful!

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Bullneck

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It's over, Johnny.

General Motors Reaches Tentative Agreement With UAW, Potentially Ending 6-Week Strike

General Motors and the United Auto Workers union have reached a tentative contract agreement that could end a six-week-old strike against Detroit automakers.
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On 10/27/2023 at 3:41 PM, Incredulity said:

they are, and hold value much, much better 

Maybe you just didn't understand the question. 

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Becuase that is certainly not cheaper than an F-150, which is what the poster was asking. Because all these trickle down savings coming. Maybe. Probably not, because if we learned one thing during covid it's that companies love leaving money on the table when they can simply pass costs to consumers or profits into their own pockets. 

 

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Incredulity

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9 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Maybe you just didn't understand the question. 

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Becuase that is certainly not cheaper than an F-150, which is what the poster was asking. Because all these trickle down savings coming. Maybe. Probably not, because if we learned one thing during covid it's that companies love leaving money on the table when they can simply pass costs to consumers or profits into their own pockets. 

 

Nobody buys the RWD starter models.

The starter model F150 is the white commercial model.

 

We can go 15 rounds about what Tundra and what F150 are apples to apples.  Toyota will be cheaper and will hold its value better.  It will suck on gas mileage and interior wont be as nice.

 

 

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Gil Bang

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5 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Nobody buys the RWD starter models.

The starter model F150 is the white commercial model.

 

We can go 15 rounds about what Tundra and what F150 are apples to apples.  Toyota will be cheaper and will hold its value better.  It will suck on gas mileage and interior wont be as nice.

 

 

I'm guessing that you have no data to support that position

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5 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Nobody buys the RWD starter models.

The starter model F150 is the white commercial model.

I've bought double digits of these for work in the past few years alone. Which is related to the point we are the market movers in trucks and not rando truck buyers

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19 minutes ago, G650 said:

I've bought double digits of these for work in the past few years alone. Which is related to the point we are the market movers in trucks and not rando truck buyers

Didn't this whole discussion get started by fattie or someone else asking for a Toyota/Kia/Hyundai version of a F-250/Silverado HD. We're not even comparing the right trucks.

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On 10/27/2023 at 10:04 AM, fattyflattie said:

I’m not sure about that.  As someone who requires a 3/4-1ton for real life, I don’t see them being replaced. We’ll just grit our teeth, understand your 100k would probably be 70 without the leaches, vote accordingly, and keep hoping they get theirs. 

 

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Incredulity

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59 minutes ago, G650 said:

I've bought double digits of these for work in the past few years alone. Which is related to the point we are the market movers in trucks and not rando truck buyers

I’m sure Ford sells a fuck load of them.

Point remains a Tundra will be cheaper than an F-150 at every trim level except the base and will be worth  more a year off the lot.

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13 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Sure, but shouldn't that have been communicated up the chain before signaling to everyone and markets that this thing is done? A "we are close, but not there yet, let's sharpen the pencil and do one more pass" could have been helpful a couple weeks ago.

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5 hours ago, BeardIP said:

The fate of the United Automobile Workers union’s tentative contract with General Motors, won after a hard-fought strike, now looks uncertain. Workers at the automaker have unexpectedly pushed back against the terms, prolonging the drama around the Detroit auto industry.

I smell fuckery. 

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On 10/30/2023 at 3:12 PM, Incredulity said:

Nobody buys the RWD starter models.

The starter model F150 is the white commercial model.

I had a 2008 white RWD supercab fleet model from my landscape company and it was the best vehicle I’ve ever had. “Nobody” buys them except working class people who do truck stuff. The others mostly exist to mask fragility and the bed is about as useful to most of them as a vestigial tail.

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Bullneck

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5 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Meh.  Would rather feed someone grateful to have the work.  Learn to code?

How do you know they aren't grateful in the U.S.?

Here's your hero (again, since I posted this on page 1):

 

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12 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I had a 2008 white RWD supercab fleet model from my landscape company and it was the best vehicle I’ve ever had. “Nobody” buys them except working class people who do truck stuff. The others mostly exist to mask fragility and the bed is about as useful to most of them as a vestigial tail.

Yeah, my last round of car-shopping included half-tons.  A big part of me didn't want to give up the amenities of my luxury sports cars, but another part of me said "this is a truck, it should have rubber floors that I can hose out."  That, and the cost of the things with what I consider to be too high mileage for "gently used" told me, if I want a truck it needs to be a second/third vehicle.

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13 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:


in order of probability

1) Rivals of Fain

2) The GOP making a play, via Fain’s rivals

3) Foreign actors creating dissent via social media

Man, I wish there was some way to make unions less susceptible to corruption.  I think it's the nature of the beast, though.  And, we really need them badly as a counterbalance to runaway capitalism.

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