Surly kids who can't get into UT

[jimmyjazz 45877]

1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

Just got mid term finals grades in and the first semester report card from my son and welp, I don't think UT is in his future.

Don't know your situation, but don't give up hope.  My son is at UT via CAP and he was nowhere NEAR top 6%.  (My daughter, too, but she just barely missed the auto-admit cutoff.  Her CAP admission made sense.  Her brother's?  Uh, no.)

[cabowabo 4484]

 

My son got capped too, and he wasn’t even in the top 50%. Kind of surprised he was even offered that.  Anywho, through 18 hours at UT Tyler, he has a 4.00.  So, unless he shits the bed during the Spring, he’ll be in Austin next Fall. Looking for apartments in west campus has me reaching for the jar of lube. 

Edited December 16, 2023 by cabowabo

[South Austin 52431]

14 hours ago, Brew said:

Oldest has done extremely well on acceptance rates to the colleges she applied to including several solid academic scholarships and honors college acceptances at most of them. However, she got her acceptance letter to UGA today so looks like we’ll be paying out of state for her to go to her top pick. She thought she had no shot, her advisors told her she had no shot, but she’s in.

My oldest is hell-bent on going out of state, not applying to a single school in Texas, even though she’s top 6%. I wanted her to consider Georgia, but she also doesn’t want to go anywhere in the South. 

Congrats to your kid. Athens seems like it would be a great place to be in college.

[Biff Tannen 45660]

41 minutes ago, South Austin said:

My oldest is hell-bent on going out of state, not applying to a single school in Texas, even though she’s top 6%. I wanted her to consider Georgia, but she also doesn’t want to go anywhere in the South. 

Congrats to your kid. Athens seems like it would be a great place to be in college.

UW is great man. Go catch a Mariners game and go hiking when you visit her. 

[Brew 3049]

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

My oldest is hell-bent on going out of state, not applying to a single school in Texas, even though she’s top 6%. I wanted her to consider Georgia, but she also doesn’t want to go anywhere in the South. 

Congrats to your kid. Athens seems like it would be a great place to be in college.

She was determined to leave the south for college up until it actually came time to apply and then I think the travel issues and being far away from all of her friends caught up with her. She’s still waiting to see about NYU and Illinois but it would take getting money to pull her away from UGA I think.

Applying outside of the top majors has helped her I would imagine. She wants to major in English which they probably don’t see a ton of.

[jimmyjazz 45877]

10 hours ago, cabowabo said:

 

My son got capped too, and he wasn’t even in the top 50%. Kind of surprised he was even offered that.  Anywho, through 18 hours at UT Tyler, he has a 4.00.  So, unless he shits the bed during the Spring, he’ll be in Austin next Fall. Looking for apartments in west campus has me reaching for the jar of lube. 

Yep, that was my son's route, one year earlier.  Word of warning:  Austin is considerably more difficult than Tyler.  As in, almost a whole grade point harder.

[cabowabo 4484]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Word of warning:  Austin is considerably more difficult than Tyler.  As in, almost a whole grade point harder.

Yeah, I figured that.  There may be a few more "distractions" in Austin also which could lead to a lower GPA.

[Grimas 669]

FAFSA delay has put a pause on accepting… yea, my twins got accepted to all the schools they applied to (still waiting on SMU for one) but now it’s a waiting game to see who offers how much… sorry kid- you got accepted to school x that was your top choice but school #2 is offering you a full ride…

[South Austin 52431]

4 minutes ago, Grimas said:

FAFSA delay has put a pause on accepting… yea, my twins got accepted to all the schools they applied to (still waiting on SMU for one) but now it’s a waiting game to see who offers how much… sorry kid- you got accepted to school x that was your top choice but school #2 is offering you a full ride…

Sorta where my kid may be headed. UDub is her top choice, but I don’t think they’ll give her anything. Oregon and Lewis & Clark are already throwing her a lot of money, and she’s starting to understand that may direct her ultimate decision.

[CleverNickname 1308]

My understanding of the academic literature on college matching and post-college judgment is that basically 95% of young adults think wherever they went to school was awesome times and somehow miraculously "it was the perfect place for them." 

[Guest]

18 hours ago, CleverNickname said:

My understanding of the academic literature on college matching and post-college judgment is that basically 95% of young adults think wherever they went to school was awesome times and somehow miraculously "it was the perfect place for them." 

My oldest has a good handful of lifetime friends from one year of prep school in Marion, AL of all places.  A bunch of us parents are still buddies too/ have gone to their kids' weddings, etc, etc.

One fucking year did that to us.  LOL.  It's just that time in life for young folks.

[fattyflattie 4639]

On 12/15/2023 at 4:50 PM, Brew said:

Oldest has done extremely well on acceptance rates to the colleges she applied to including several solid academic scholarships and honors college acceptances at most of them. However, she got her acceptance letter to UGA today so looks like we’ll be paying out of state for her to go to her top pick. She thought she had no shot, her advisors told her she had no shot, but she’s in.

Congrats Brew. I’m sure that is a tremendous feeling. 

[TwiceHorn 31429]

On 10/12/2023 at 9:30 PM, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not moving shit.  In my experience, GT has pumped out the highest quality engineers I've interviewed or hired.  I just referenced a ranking that puts them near #1 to at least provide alternate color to your list of 7+ programs you think are better.

It REALLY doesn't fucking matter.  My comment was about UWisc, which had been referenced prior.  (For the record, I think Wisconsin is a fantastic school, too.)

I suppose grad schools have gotten ultra competitive, too, but 3.2 is a pretty solid engineering GPA at a rigorous school like GT.  Or is it?

Back in the day, that'd get you hired most places out of UT.

And, I could easily see it being one of those situations where he did well on upper-division, research-related courses.  For whatever reason, I didn't start busting 4.0s until upper division, employers seemed to like that and didn't give a rats ass about my C in engineering mechanics or fluids.

[tx 3 putt 76859]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I suppose grad schools have gotten ultra competitive, too, but 3.2 is a pretty solid engineering GPA at a rigorous school like GT.  Or is it?

Back in the day, that'd get you hired most places out of UT.

And, I could easily see it being one of those situations where he did well on upper-division, research-related courses.  For whatever reason, I didn't start busting 4.0s until upper division, employers seemed to like that and didn't give a rats ass about my C in engineering mechanics or fluids.

I recently suggested to two very large refineries - go hire C engineering students to staff jobs. Those are the kids that can use a tool, had to work during school, have some common sense, can work in a group setting 

[jimmyjazz 45877]

7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I suppose grad schools have gotten ultra competitive, too, but 3.2 is a pretty solid engineering GPA at a rigorous school like GT.  Or is it?

Back in the day, that'd get you hired most places out of UT.

And, I could easily see it being one of those situations where he did well on upper-division, research-related courses.  For whatever reason, I didn't start busting 4.0s until upper division, employers seemed to like that and didn't give a rats ass about my C in engineering mechanics or fluids.

Could be.  My grades went from very good to pretty much 4.0 my junior year and beyond -- I grew up and learned how to study.  

What I guess I didn't convey was that he transferred IN to GT his junior year, so those were his upper division scores.

Doesn't matter, he's in, he's curious, and plenty smart.  He'll do fine.

[Guest]

Son did CS Masters at GT with a 3.5 GPA.

i told him about the conversation on here and he emphasized, "Post grad GPA doesn't mean shit in tech field."

I laughed because dude went from the Army to Bloomberg.  It matter somewhat...

[CooterBrown 18001]

47 minutes ago, slorch said:

Son did CS Masters at GT with a 3.5 GPA.

i told him about the conversation on here and he emphasized, "Post grad GPA doesn't mean shit in tech field."

I laughed because dude went from the Army to Bloomberg.  It matter somewhat...

i knew a brilliant kid growing up. He received a bachelor's degree and high school diploma in the same graduation ceremony at 17 years old. He then got a full ride to MIT.  He wasn't just a nerd. He played rugby and partied pretty hard for MIT.  I asked him how he was doing at MIT and he said he had a 3.2 and was applying to med school.  My response was "is a 3.2 good enough for med school?" He said "a 3.2 from MIT is."  Sure enough, he got in to his first choice med school and he's now the Orthopaedic Surgery Division Chief at a top medical school. 

 

[texasdago 7562]

On 12/15/2023 at 9:46 PM, cabowabo said:

 

My son got capped too, and he wasn’t even in the top 50%. Kind of surprised he was even offered that.  Anywho, through 18 hours at UT Tyler, he has a 4.00.  So, unless he shits the bed during the Spring, he’ll be in Austin next Fall. Looking for apartments in west campus has me reaching for the jar of lube. 

I'll cut you a deal with a guest bedroom... buy one month of rent, get the second one half off.

[gyroprotagonist 2592]

this thread is frightening.  Son got his first B in HS (as a soph) and we are like "well, there goes UT".  The CAP thing UT Tyler sounds interesting if he could qualify for that.  got some family there anyway.

[CooterBrown 18001]

What's the rate for CAPed kids actually attending Texas?  I would guess that carrot is dangled to drive better qualified kids to earn degrees at UT system schools instead of to aggy, tech, etc. and not to actually get them on the main campus.  

[Jerry Callo 8694]

My oldest daughter (no pics) was CAPed and went to UTSA for her first year.  All three of her roommates were in the same boat and all four moved to UT the next year.  My youngest daughter (also no pics) was CAPed, but wanted to study biology to ultimately do physical therapy.  Since the CAP only guarantees the school of liberal arts at UT, it made sense for her to go elsewhere.  She's rocking it at Texas State, which has a great PT school.  The CAP is great if your student is fine with a liberal arts major or if you student is dead set on a degree from UT.  

[jimmyjazz 45877]

Correct.  It's my understanding that getting into Cockrell or McCombs via CAP is pretty tough.  Some advisors suggest accepting a major within liberal arts and then trying to transfer within UT down the road.  I'm not sure if that's any more likely.

[Brew 3049]

Things got more difficult for her today. Knoxville which wasn’t in discussion for a long time but moved up after visits came back with sizeable money and honors college admittance. She can go there for 1/3 of what UGA will cost and be in the honors college which was important for her from the outset. She is still looking at an upper tier law school post grad, so which is better for that purpose a UGA degree or a UTK honors degree? She’s eliminated the other schools at this point and is down to those two. UGA has been her planned school for a long time and it’s not Knoxville which is a plus in my book. I would prefer that she went with one of the private schools she got into, but she is dead set on the big school experience at this point.

[TwiceHorn 31429]

23 minutes ago, Brew said:

Things got more difficult for her today. Knoxville which wasn’t in discussion for a long time but moved up after visits came back with sizeable money and honors college admittance. She can go there for 1/3 of what UGA will cost and be in the honors college which was important for her from the outset. She is still looking at an upper tier law school post grad, so which is better for that purpose a UGA degree or a UTK honors degree? She’s eliminated the other schools at this point and is down to those two. UGA has been her planned school for a long time and it’s not Knoxville which is a plus in my book. I would prefer that she went with one of the private schools she got into, but she is dead set on the big school experience at this point.

GPA and LSAT score are going to rule the roost for law school admissions.  A more rigorous degree will count for something, but that assumes that the law school is familiar with the undergraduate institution and its degree plans.  Vanderbilt probably might discriminate between the two, maybe Duke, also, Emory for certain, nearly.  Not sure about more remote and possibly prestigious law schools.

An honors college probably keeps stats on admissions to graduate/law schools. might as well ask.

Edited December 20, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[tx 3 putt 76859]

Always ask the dept for employment and grad school data

always 

[txduck87 985]

Question. Does it hurt your chances getting into mccombs if you put them as second choice for major behind cockrell?

My boy is 6 in a class of 1200 . ACT in Feb so will see but probably 31-33.
He THINKS he wants engineering but also would consider business. Really wants to go the Texas. Longhorn fan his whole life.

Know he could get into CU, auburn , types for engineering but he’d consider business at Texas if rejected at cockrell. Thoughts?

[SimonBolivar 10957]

On 12/18/2023 at 2:55 PM, Jerry Callo said:

My oldest daughter (no pics) was CAPed and went to UTSA for her first year.  All three of her roommates were in the same boat and all four moved to UT the next year.  My youngest daughter (also no pics) was CAPed, but wanted to study biology to ultimately do physical therapy.  Since the CAP only guarantees the school of liberal arts at UT, it made sense for her to go elsewhere.  She's rocking it at Texas State, which has a great PT school.  The CAP is great if your student is fine with a liberal arts major or if you student is dead set on a degree from UT.  

Hey you can become president with a degree from Texas State...and a few rigged elections and an assassinated president.

 

But the path is there and Step 1 is almost accomplished!

[Fudge Nuggets 19184]

10 hours ago, Brew said:

Things got more difficult for her today. Knoxville which wasn’t in discussion for a long time but moved up after visits came back with sizeable money and honors college admittance. She can go there for 1/3 of what UGA will cost and be in the honors college which was important for her from the outset. She is still looking at an upper tier law school post grad, so which is better for that purpose a UGA degree or a UTK honors degree? She’s eliminated the other schools at this point and is down to those two. UGA has been her planned school for a long time and it’s not Knoxville which is a plus in my book. I would prefer that she went with one of the private schools she got into, but she is dead set on the big school experience at this point.

No one ever gave a shit about UGA academically until they started winning football games.  Just like how Clemson went from nothing to a “very good” school about seven years ago. It’s back to being a school no one gives a shit about.

That said, it’s not like UT-K is an academic power, but I would bet an honors program degree from one football school counts more than a regular degree from another football school. So, honors program admittance with plenty of scholarship money vs jack shit seems like a no brainer.

[Fudge Nuggets 19184]

8 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Always ask the dept for employment and grad school data

always 

Schools will fudge that too when they can.  Back in the 90’s UNC boasted that the average yearly earnings for graduates in their Geology department was $200,000.  Michael Jordan’s $50 million endorsement deal with Nike kind of skewed that number.

[South Austin 52431]

4 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

So, honors program admittance with plenty of scholarship money vs jack shit seems like a no brainer.

Probably where my daughter will wind up.  Got into Oregon's honors program with a good chunk of money and possibly more to come v. University of Washington, which will likely tell her, "Congratulations, you're in, and we'll gladly take your full freight of nonresident tuition."  There's still the private school route, but like Brew's kid, she seems set on attending a large state school.

[BearSchlong 8082]

Nonresident tuition is only for the first year.

[CooterBrown 18001]

2 hours ago, BearSchlong said:

Nonresident tuition is only for the first year.

Is this common or just at a specific school?

[jimmyjazz 45877]

2 hours ago, BearSchlong said:

Nonresident tuition is only for the first year.

Where?  I'm pretty sure my daughter found several of the out of state schools she was looking at said college enrollment didn't establish state residency.

[Hefeweizen 5308]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Where?  I'm pretty sure my daughter found several of the out of state schools she was looking at said college enrollment didn't establish state residency.

I think this is correct for the UC schools.  Hell I live here and they’re very finicky on the residency for anyone who has been here less than three years or who didn’t attend high school all their years here.  Pretty sure being a student does not make you a resident unless you’re not a dependent.

[jimmyjazz 45877]

4 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

I think this is correct for the UC schools.  Hell I live here and they’re very finicky on the residency for anyone who has been here less than three years or who didn’t attend high school all their years here.  Pretty sure being a student does not make you a resident unless you’re not a dependent.

Yeah, I think this was part of the equation at the schools she was looking at (some big state schools in the Big 10, Pac 12, etc.).

[cabowabo 4484]

On 12/18/2023 at 10:08 AM, texasdago said:

I'll cut you a deal with a guest bedroom... buy one month of rent, get the second one half off.

Would that include a meal plan?

Edited December 21, 2023 by cabowabo

[boilerhorn 1371]

From my experience, Texas is the most liberal in gaining residency for tuition purposes.

California residents attending Texas can start an LLC offering training, tutoring, etc. services and gain residency.  I've seen examples of a kid "buying" a condo under his LLC and renting it to someone else.

Gaining California residency, as @jimmyjazz notes, can be nigh impossible.

Youngest is at Purdue.  There are no clear loopholes to gain Indiana residency.  Even if we moved there today, we'd have to appeal to Purdue (NOT Indiana) to get residency for tuition purposes.  There are very few, if any, examples of success.

[Saint Tacky 1613]

On 12/20/2023 at 7:41 AM, txduck87 said:

He THINKS he wants engineering but also would consider business. Really wants to go the Texas. Longhorn fan his whole life.
Know he could get into CU, auburn , types for engineering but he’d consider business at Texas if rejected at cockrell. Thoughts?

What sort of engineering degree? 

[AnotherUTFan 9723]

What's the rate for CAPed kids actually attending Texas?  I would guess that carrot is dangled to drive better qualified kids to earn degrees at UT system schools instead of to aggy, tech, etc. and not to actually get them on the main campus.  

My oldest daughter (no pics) was CAPed and went to UTSA for her first year.  All three of her roommates were in the same boat and all four moved to UT the next year.  My youngest daughter (also no pics) was CAPed, but wanted to study biology to ultimately do physical therapy.  Since the CAP only guarantees the school of liberal arts at UT, it made sense for her to go elsewhere.  She's rocking it at Texas State, which has a great PT school.  The CAP is great if your student is fine with a liberal arts major or if you student is dead set on a degree from UT.  

Correct.  It's my understanding that getting into Cockrell or McCombs via CAP is pretty tough.  Some advisors suggest accepting a major within liberal arts and then trying to transfer within UT down the road.  I'm not sure if that's any more likely.

Both my daughter and now Son in Law did CAP at UTSA their freshman year and both were at UT the following year. My daughter transfered to Austin as a Liberal Arts student, but was able to get into McCombs the following year and graduated from there.

I liked that they had to spend their freshman year busting their asses instead of getting straight in and doing what a lot of freshmen do - fuck off for a year. Ditto for not getting into McCombs immediately, she had to keep hustling.

It's kinda cute that they met their last month in San Antonio, so I would say the CAP program worked out very well for them.

[Texas Jeff 1942]

On 12/20/2023 at 7:41 AM, txduck87 said:

Question. Does it hurt your chances getting into mccombs if you put them as second choice for major behind cockrell?

My boy is 6 in a class of 1200 . ACT in Feb so will see but probably 31-33.
He THINKS he wants engineering but also would consider business. Really wants to go the Texas. Longhorn fan his whole life.

Know he could get into CU, auburn , types for engineering but he’d consider business at Texas if rejected at cockrell. Thoughts?

Well, if you want a Debby downer view of STEM admissions, there's this:

https://texadmissions.com/blog/2022/2/21/tips-for-applying-to-ut-computer-science-cockrell-school-of-engineering-and-the-college-of-natural-sciences

More concrete data and a little less negativity here:

https://texadmissions.com/blog/2019/2/25/recommended-ut-austin-majors-rank-and-test-score-minimums

That guy probably knows more specifically about UT admissions that anyone else I found when we were going through it.

The short answer is that nobody knows if the 2nd choice is even considered anymore and it's possible that it's not.  And if you want a STEM major then your kid increasingly needs to show some interest in the field during high school, like camps or projects and such.  However, 6 out of 1200 is top half of one percent, and that's pretty darn high.  If the kid really cares about some particular field of engineering, think about something to do over the summer that might be able to "demonstrate intent" in the field.

You can take the ACT more than once and bump up the ACT score with a prep class.  IMHO the prep classes mostly help to give you practice taking the test and answering the type of questions they ask, so that on test day your kid has been through the timing a few times and knows what to expect.

College admissions is a crapshoot.  Your kid spends four years carefully polishing a resume, essays, test scores, etc and the admissions person may spend 10-15 minutes on your profile and then move on.  They are flooded with applications because it's easy to apply to 10 or more schools today even though every kid will only choose one of the 10.  Kids have to submit tons of applications because everywhere they submit is flooded with apps, so their chances at any one school are small.  It is a crazy system and not a perfect process.

[BearSchlong 8082]

Where?  I'm pretty sure my daughter found several of the out of state schools she was looking at said college enrollment didn't establish state residency.

Mizzou.

And of course they can’t be dependents for IRS purposes.

And earn a certain amount of W2 income IIRC, and not leave the state for more than 3 consecutive days, and quite a few additional hoops.

Edit - just checked the residency requirements for Cal Berkeley and y’all are right, it’s hard. I was wrong.

[HookEm 2463]

On 12/20/2023 at 7:41 AM, txduck87 said:

Question. Does it hurt your chances getting into mccombs if you put them as second choice for major behind cockrell?

My boy is 6 in a class of 1200 . ACT in Feb so will see but probably 31-33.
He THINKS he wants engineering but also would consider business. Really wants to go the Texas. Longhorn fan his whole life.

Congrats to your son on his outstanding high school academics.

His admission to engineering will depend on which specific major he wants to get into.  Some are WAY more competitive than others.  Back when I was in school, ChemE was probably the hardest to get into, mainly because a lot of premed / Biomed folks would go that route.  Now Computer Science and Computer Engineering are the most competitive by far.  Next would be Mechanical and Aerospace (thanks Tesla and SpaceX). Biomed is also competitive.

Now that Biomed has been split off from Chemical Engineering, ChemE is actually one of the easier engineering majors to get into.  The easiest is Petroleum.  Funny enough, Petroleum and Chemical both make higher starting salaries than most of the other more competitive majors. 

Some of the engineering majors like Petroleum actually have a difficult time filling their spots.  If a student SELECTS Petroleum engineering and they have a decent resume, they will get in over a better student that selects Computer Engineering and misses the cut.  The departments want students who WANT to get a certain degree, not ones who are settling.  

So unless you have a student with insane credentials, I would advise them to pick one of the less popular engineering majors if they don't really have a preference.  It may mean a difference between getting accepted or not.  Plus, once you are admitted into Cockrell, it is MUCH easier to transfer between majors than trying to get in from a different College.

FWIW, I'm on the ChemE external advisory board so I have had a lot of these conversations with the staff over the years.

[tx 3 putt 76859]

7 hours ago, HookEm said:

Congrats to your son on his outstanding high school academics.

His admission to engineering will depend on which specific major he wants to get into.  Some are WAY more competitive than others.  Back when I was in school, ChemE was probably the hardest to get into, mainly because a lot of premed / Biomed folks would go that route.  Now Computer Science and Computer Engineering are the most competitive by far.  Next would be Mechanical and Aerospace (thanks Tesla and SpaceX). Biomed is also competitive.

Now that Biomed has been split off from Chemical Engineering, ChemE is actually one of the easier engineering majors to get into.  The easiest is Petroleum.  Funny enough, Petroleum and Chemical both make higher starting salaries than most of the other more competitive majors. 

Some of the engineering majors like Petroleum actually have a difficult time filling their spots.  If a student SELECTS Petroleum engineering and they have a decent resume, they will get in over a better student that selects Computer Engineering and misses the cut.  The departments want students who WANT to get a certain degree, not ones who are settling.  

So unless you have a student with insane credentials, I would advise them to pick one of the less popular engineering majors if they don't really have a preference.  It may mean a difference between getting accepted or not.  Plus, once you are admitted into Cockrell, it is MUCH easier to transfer between majors than trying to get in from a different College.

FWIW, I'm on the ChemE external advisory board so I have had a lot of these conversations with the staff over the years.

im biased, but a chemE or petroE degree are great career paths 

[Fudge Nuggets 19184]

20 hours ago, HookEm said:

Funny enough, Petroleum and Chemical both make higher starting salaries than most of the other more competitive majors. 

The old joke going around when I was in school was ChemE’s got higher salaries because they had to get their car repainted every year after working at the refinery. PEs get higher salaries because they are going to be out of work a lot of the time. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19184]

13 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

im biased, but a chemE or petroE degree are great career paths 

Petroleum engineering is an absolute shit career path unless you don’t mind getting laid off or a big salary / benefits cut every three or four years. 
 

There are exceptions if you’re willing to work in some grade-A shitholes that no one else will go to. That saved my ass numerous times. 

[HookEm 2463]

It is interesting seeing the breadth of careers my ChemE classmates went into. Technology, Law, Medicine, Investment Banking, Consulting. Some still do classic chemical engineering, but not that many. Most seem to get into management and then move up the ranks in various ways.

[TwiceHorn 31429]

6 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Petroleum engineering is an absolute shit career path unless you don’t mind getting laid off or a big salary / benefits cut every three or four years. 
 

There are exceptions if you’re willing to work in some grade-A shitholes that no one else will go to. That saved my ass numerous times. 

In the mid late 80s, PENs were coming back for BSME and bitching that it took another 60 hours or so. 

ChemEs are often employed outside OG but it does seem a little cyclical.  Sometimes in "environmental" applications. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19184]

If anyone is interested in O&G then ChemE and ME would be the best choices.  Both give you options outside the industry when the next bust hits. 

Edited December 26, 2023 by Fudge Nuggets

[TwiceHorn 31429]

14 hours ago, HookEm said:

It is interesting seeing the breadth of careers my ChemE classmates went into. Technology, Law, Medicine, Investment Banking, Consulting. Some still do classic chemical engineering, but not that many. Most seem to get into management and then move up the ranks in various ways.

Although engineering is perhaps a peculiar way of thinking, compared to some of the rest of academia, or society generally, it seems the problem-solving and analytical approach to things lends itself to a lot of disciplines.

I find that engineers tend to make pretty decent lawyers, IP and otherwise, even though the academic end of things is quite different in that engineers tend to simplify, assume, and ignore the "noise," while in law, the "noise" is often what it is all about, at least in school.

[Grimas 669]

21 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Although engineering is perhaps a peculiar way of thinking, compared to some of the rest of academia, or society generally, it seems the problem-solving and analytical approach to things lends itself to a lot of disciplines.

I find that engineers tend to make pretty decent lawyers, IP and otherwise, even though the academic end of things is quite different in that engineers tend to simplify, assume, and ignore the "noise," while in law, the "noise" is often what it is all about, at least in school.

Buddy of mine had lunch last year with a retiring Geology prof from the Jackson School and he said that a large % of the geology undergrads -I recall he said 75% - never do anything geology related with their BS degree but still we highly sought out by other fields for the same reason you mention about engineers regarding problem solving and analytical approach to things.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Grimas