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Mike Craven: From Brahma to Longhorn: Jonathon Brooks remains a bell cow
 

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The zenith of Brooks’ powers as the bell cow for the Brahmas came in the state semifinal game against Llano when the three-star prospect who was already pledged to Texas ran for 304 yards and six touchdowns while also returning one of his two interceptions for a score in a 53-28 victory. 

“Jonathon Brooks was no joke. At the Class 3A level, it wasn’t fair,” Llano head coach Matt Green said this week. Green also coached against Texas high school legends – and Longhorns – Gray and Malcolm Brown. “I looked at like, ‘I’ve coached against those guys and there is no way he is even in their league,’ and boy was I wrong. He was a different type of back than they were, but he was every bit as good.” 

 

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I've watched about half of the Ikard/Lehman videos this year, and they're generally really complimentary of this Texas team.  

They had a few critiques of Texas that are already widely acknowledged on this board:  our safeties don't have great foot speed, neither does Watts.  Also, the Texas ends are not elite pass rushers.

But they had some extended commentary on Quinn that seemed pretty homerish and absurd:  Gabriel is the better QB.  Quinn is the product of a system where Sark is the one getting guys open.  Quinn panics under pressure.  Quinn has average arm talent.  If they blitz Quinn early, he will come unglued.  The red-zone struggles at QB show how Quinn is limited.  

Sometimes what your critics say about you is true (slow safeties, average edge rushers), but they seemed like they went way over the top there.  I think the advanced metrics rate Quinn as elite on plays where he gets blitzed.  

I guess we'll see on Saturday.  

They also had some extended criticism of Kelvin Banks.  "Kansas really got after him."  You think we had a 200-yard rusher and 660 yards of offense (despite playing without our 2nd best offensive player) while our left tackle was getting dominated?  Hmmmm.  They also claim the OU LT is better than Banks.  Can't comment on that, because I haven't watched their guy, but I know Banks is pretty good, and that seems like nonsense.  Again, we'll see.  

I hope somebody shows it to Banks though.  

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  On 10/4/2023 at 7:42 PM, PTINS said:

Their show after the Texas-Alabama Game.

"Number 11 Texas, went to #3 Alabama, and they whooped that ass! And we are Stupid, Stupid Idiots!"  - Ikard

"Um Hum! Um Hum! Um Hum!" - Lehman

Ikard & Lehman on Texas-Alabama

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Okay. If they compliment Texas on Red-River-Shootout-week and the following week (when they get their asses ANNIHILATED), they get excommunicated.

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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:03 PM, Paul Wesley said:

But they had some extended commentary on Quinn that seemed pretty homerish and absurd:  Gabriel is the better QB.  Quinn is the product of a system where Sark is the one getting guys open.  Quinn panics under pressure.  Quinn has average arm talent.  If they blitz Quinn early, he will come unglued.  The red-zone struggles at QB show how Quinn is limited.  

Sometimes what your critics say about you is true (slow safeties, average edge rushers), but they seemed like they went way over the top there.  I think the advanced metrics rate Quinn as elite on plays where he gets blitzed.  

I guess we'll see on Saturday. 

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the gap between the two just isn't that big. here is some more recent stuff i happened to see on X

so if there is a small gap where Gabriel > Ewers, but Texas has the better coach doesn't that at the absolute worst even out? it's wild.

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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:26 PM, wood said:
Hey, anyone ... just out of curiosity, how much is face value this year? Last year was $175, right?

$200.

Some bullshit honestly. The price on these has skyrocketed in the last 3-5 years. But of course I pay it.
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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:13 PM, NoName said:

the gap between the two just isn't that big. here is some more recent stuff i happened to see on X

so if there is a small gap where Gabriel > Ewers, but Texas has the better coach doesn't that at the absolute worst even out? it's wild.

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Yeah, obviously Gabriel is really good.  
 

I’m fine with anyone thinking he’s better than Quinn. 
 

But “if you knock the shit out of him on every play, he’s less effective” is a “no shit” statement you could say about anyone in any sport.  
 

It’s the “Quinn panics” stuff that seems detached from the facts.   Also, he’s just a system guy with an average arm.  

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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:28 PM, Rickylovesweed said:

OU really does know how to produce the douchiest QBs. Kyler, Baker, and now Gabriel. 

It makes me like Hurts even more. Somehow he broke the mold of being a complete douchebag. 

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Yeah Hurts is aiight. The rest of 'em, esp BM, can EABOD.

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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:32 PM, gmr548 said:


$200.

Some bullshit honestly. The price on these has skyrocketed in the last 3-5 years. But of course I pay it.

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I'd probably pay that if I coulld find it. Cheapest I'm seeing right now is $400 for shitty, shitty singles. I just can't justify that nonsense, even for the best regular season game in all of sports.

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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:32 PM, gmr548 said:


$200.

Some bullshit honestly. The price on these has skyrocketed in the last 3-5 years. But of course I pay it.

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I bet it's the grand design by Bellmont to attempt to jam those people who sell their Mobilehoma tickets in order to pay for most or all of their Texas season tickets + Longhorn Foundation donation each year.

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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:35 PM, wood said:

I'd probably pay that if I coulld find it. Cheapest I'm seeing right now is $400 for shitty, shitty singles. I just can't justify that nonsense, even for the best regular season game in all of sports.

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I just saw $285 on a site.

https://www.vividseats.com/texas-longhorns-football-tickets-cotton-bowl-stadium-10-7-2023--sports-ncaa-football/production/4292496

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  On 10/2/2023 at 8:54 PM, Ghost of LL said:

1) If you're not staying downtown, there are two surface lots at Pearl & Ross downtown.  Drive down there, park, and get on the DART from the Pearl Street station.  That's the last downtown station on the way to Fair Park, and the ride is less than 10 minutes.

If you're staying downtown, just walk to the nearest DART station.

2) You probably want to be at the Fair not later than 8:30.  Get your coupons immediately--the lines start to get long around 8:30.  Get your corn dog and wax-paper cup beer.

3) The State Fair has a good website with maps of the Fairgrounds.  I just go in for a corn dog and beer before the game--no need to upset the stomach too much before the stress of the game.  But if you want to stress your constitution with a deep-fried birria bomb, have at it.

4) Post-game, losers should depart as quickly as possible.  Winners own the Midway.

5) I go over to Craft & Growler across Parry Ave. from the Fair (right across from the DART station).  They have a great selection of beers, and there are plenty of televisions to watch the other games.  It makes good sense to have a couple beers over there while the crowds at the DART station die down.

 

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I would just add to this, be sure that it is a FLETCHER's corn dog.  There are pale imitations.  

Also note that when we say DART, we do mean the train stations, as opposed to the bus stops.  Downtown, they are adjacent Pacific Ave in the central part, and veer northeast on the eastern end.

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Two mental clocks currently running in my head:

Each minute until I can leave the office and go home because this job fucking sucks donkey dick.

Each minute until Texas stomps a mud hole in those tweakers’ asses because they suck donkey dicks.

The rest of my meager brain power is divided up amongst BBQ, porn and estimating how many Amazon packages will be at the front door when I get home each day.

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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:37 PM, BachelorTrek said:

I bet it's the grand design by Bellmont to attempt to jam those people who sell their Mobilehoma tickets in order to pay for most or all of their Texas season tickets + Longhorn Foundation donation each year.

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What's funny is that I'd love to do the opposite of this even if it just meant that I could get Texas-ou tickets at face value and just make the rest of the money back by selling off my home tickets, even without a profit ... if I was confident that it would work. I think it might work in winning years like this one, but even then I have my doubts.

For me, Texas-ou is the only game that when I miss it & have to watch it on TV, it hurts.

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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:46 PM, Patricio Swayze said:

Two mental clocks currently running in my head:

Each minute until I can leave the office and go home because this job fucking sucks donkey dick.

Each minute until Texas stomps a mud hole in those tweakers’ asses because they suck donkey dicks.

The rest of my meager brain power is divided up amongst BBQ, porn and estimating how many Amazon packages will be at the front door when I get home each day.

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You left out snek, unless that goes under the porn category.

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After watching Venables press conference, I'm fully convinced that he's OU's Charlie Strong... Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but all appearances point to him being in over his head.

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  On 10/4/2023 at 9:02 PM, ATXhorn17 said:

After watching Venables press conference, I'm fully convinced that he's OU's Charlie Strong... Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but all appearances point to him being in over his head.

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Vulnerables is Gary Gibbs.  Lulz.

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  On 10/4/2023 at 9:02 PM, ATXhorn17 said:
After watching Venables press conference, I'm fully convinced that he's OU's Charlie Strong... Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but all appearances point to him being in over his head.

Charlie Strong dominated a much better OU team in his second so I vote for another analogy this particular week.
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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:48 PM, wood said:
What's funny is that I'd love to do the opposite of this even if it just meant that I could get Texas-ou tickets at face value and just make the rest of the money back by selling off my home tickets, even without a profit ... if I was confident that it would work. I think it might work in winning years like this one, but even then I have my doubts.
For me, Texas-ou is the only game that when I miss it & have to watch it on TV, it hurts.

This. A big reason I originally got season tickets through the young alumni deal was subsidizing OU tickets. Hitting a couple home games and selling the rest would come out ahead of getting price gouged in Dallas and still attending a couple home games.

Now I earn more and keep them out of habit and convenience but the numbers generally don’t work like they used to, even though selling home tickets does better now.
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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:03 PM, Paul Wesley said:

But they had some extended commentary on Quinn that seemed pretty homerish and absurd:  Gabriel is the better QB.  Quinn is the product of a system where Sark is the one getting guys open.  Quinn panics under pressure.  Quinn has average arm talent.  If they blitz Quinn early, he will come unglued.  The red-zone struggles at QB show how Quinn is limited.  

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Gabriel is really good and may be better.  He is also, and I'll check my math on this, in his 9th year in college football and 28 years old.  Quinn has barely played a full season of games.  He still has issues with sloppy footwork and inconsistent deep balls.  We know he has his limits right now.  

That said, if he's not as good as Gabriel (right now) but is more productive because of Sark, fine.  As far as I know, Sark plans on being in the Cotton Bowl on Saturday.

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This is what Gabriel did against top 25 defenses last year (per ESPN efficiency): 

2022 Iowa State: 16/27, 148 yards passing, and 70 QBR. 

2022 Kansas State: 26/39, 330 passing yards, and 81.4 QBR

2022 TCU: 7/16, 126 passing yards, 30 QBR. 

 

 

 

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  On 10/4/2023 at 9:54 PM, Stringer said:

Gabriel is really good and may be better.  

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He lights up really bad defenses and struggles against top 25ish defenses. 

In the last 2 years, Gabriel has played 6 games against top 35 defenses and he was pretty damn bad in 4 of those (SMU, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, and TCU). 

 

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someone remind me again which hotels are majority ou fans.  I think I fucked up and accidentally booked one north of uptown. shit.  Maybe most of them were west from what I recall..

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  On 10/4/2023 at 9:25 PM, gmr548 said:


Charlie Strong dominated a much better OU team in his second so I vote for another analogy this particular week.

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Yes but if I recall, OU ran the Belldozer straight into our line all game.  We had zero answer for the spread us out and sling offenses in the league and for some reason OU tried to run QB zone read all game and we stuffed it.  I could be wrong on the year, but Stoops really effed that gameplan up

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Fuck em. Blitz Quinn every play.  You’re not covering AD, worthy. Whitt sanders or cook one on one and let Quinn run for 100 on your asses and see what happens

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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:32 PM, Paul Wesley said:

Yeah, obviously Gabriel is really good.  
 

I’m fine with anyone thinking he’s better than Quinn. 
 

But “if you knock the shit out of him on every play, he’s less effective” is a “no shit” statement you could say about anyone in any sport.  
 

It’s the “Quinn panics” stuff that seems detached from the facts.   Also, he’s just a system guy with an average arm.  

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Average arm talent

 

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  On 10/4/2023 at 10:31 PM, jdhorn92 said:

Yes but if I recall, OU ran the Belldozer straight into our line all game.  We had zero answer for the spread us out and sling offenses in the league and for some reason OU tried to run QB zone read all game and we stuffed it.  I could be wrong on the year, but Stoops really effed that gameplan up

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Wrong year. You’re thinking of 2013. Strongs win came against Baker and Stoops

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  On 10/4/2023 at 8:32 PM, gmr548 said:


$200.

Some bullshit honestly. The price on these has skyrocketed in the last 3-5 years. But of course I pay it.

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$135 on my 2017 ticket. 48% increase in six years.

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I’ve heard that we’ve only used 40-50% of our offense game plan, vs teams not named Bama.

We’ll all see on Saturday, but we’ve left a lot of “rocks in our pocket” since the Bama game.

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  On 10/4/2023 at 10:52 PM, FirstTimeCaller said:

$135 on my 2017 ticket. 48% increase in six years.

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To be fair it’s a borderline top 10 matchup with both undefeated. Not really comparable demand to a year we opened up losing to Maryland.

  On 10/4/2023 at 10:54 PM, conVINCEd said:

I have no motivation to dig it up, but that throw doesn’t make Quinn’s top ten.

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Oh definitely not

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I can understand why Lehman likes his guy better but his analysis of Quinn is something else. Does he have CTE? Or just Oklahoma?

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Gabriel better than Quinn is defensible in that the former probably is better for the veer and shoot. Gabriel is better throwing the deep ball and that offense is highly reliant on it. In an offense like Sark’s (although he has curtailed the deep shots to fit Quinn’s strengths) where there is also a lot of value on quick delivery of short and intermediate throws, including opposite hash outs and crosses, I think Ewers is better suited. We all know who will go higher in the NFL draft.

The rest of that is dumb. Quinn can panic under pressure a bit but his passer rating when pressured is quite good and has shown the ability to adjust and improve over the course of a game this year. The no arm talent thing makes me worry about CTE.

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  On 10/4/2023 at 10:13 PM, Rickylovesweed said:

He lights up really bad defenses and struggles against top 25ish defenses. 

In the last 2 years, Gabriel has played 6 games against top 35 defenses and he was pretty damn bad in 4 of those (SMU, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, and TCU). 

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He was also bad at UCF, when facing teams that had equal defensive talent to his skill position players. He will turn the ball over, I pray they try to run him because he will get knocked out before half time.

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  On 10/4/2023 at 10:08 PM, Rickylovesweed said:

This is what Gabriel did against top 25 defenses last year (per ESPN efficiency): 

2022 TCU: 7/16, 126 passing yards, DECAPITATED, 30 QBR. 

 

 

 

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You left out my favorite stat. 

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