Israel-Hamas war thread

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11 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

 

The cognitive dissonance around blacks, African Americans or Africans, aggressively advocating for the killing and removal of a group of people based on a perceived genetic difference which makes them view them as less than human is mind bottling.  

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US strikes Syria targeting Iranian proxy forces - news incoming

[Welshy 907]

29 minutes ago, Bevo said:

US strikes Syria targeting Iranian proxy forces - news incoming

U.S. military aircraft have carried out strikes in eastern Syria against facilities associated with Iranian-backed militant groups believed to be responsible for more than a dozen rocket and drone attacks on American troops in Iraq and Syria that injured 21 service members, the military said Thursday night.

"Today, at President Biden's direction, U.S. military forces conducted self-defense strikes on two facilities in eastern Syria used by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and affiliated groups," said Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in a statement.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/explosion-heard-egyptian-red-sea-town-near-israeli-border-witness-2023-10-27/

 

Missile strikes Egyptian Red Sea town on Israel border

Reuters

October 26, 20239:16 PM CDTUpdated 31 min ago

CAIRO/JERUSALEM, Oct 27 (Reuters) - A missile launched as part of fighting between Hamas militants and Israel struck an Egyptian resort town about 220 km (135 miles) from the Gaza Strip early on Friday, Egypt's Al Qahera News reported, citing sources.

The missile hit a medical facility in Taba, injuring at least six people, Al Qahera TV reported. A witness in Taba confirmed hearing an explosion and seeing smoke rising, but Reuters was not immediately able to identify the blast's source.

[Welshy 907]

6 hours ago, utee94 said:

"There's no intel at this time on which direction the protest will head."

Anybody wanna make a guess?

[Welshy 907]

43 minutes ago, rpspeed said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/explosion-heard-egyptian-red-sea-town-near-israeli-border-witness-2023-10-27/

 

Missile strikes Egyptian Red Sea town on Israel border

Reuters

October 26, 20239:16 PM CDTUpdated 31 min ago

CAIRO/JERUSALEM, Oct 27 (Reuters) - A missile launched as part of fighting between Hamas militants and Israel struck an Egyptian resort town about 220 km (135 miles) from the Gaza Strip early on Friday, Egypt's Al Qahera News reported, citing sources.

The missile hit a medical facility in Taba, injuring at least six people, Al Qahera TV reported. A witness in Taba confirmed hearing an explosion and seeing smoke rising, but Reuters was not immediately able to identify the blast's source.

Every time you post, hotshot, I can't help but think...I should sex medicine-ball girl.

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More on the strike

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/eu-calls-humanitarian-pauses-gaza-aid-israel-raids-enclave-2023-10-26/

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Two U.S. fighter jets struck weapons and ammunition facilities in Syria on Friday in retaliation for attacks on U.S. forces by Iranian-backed militia as concerns grew that the Israel-Hamas conflict may spread in the Middle East. U.S. President Joe Biden ordered strikes on the two facilities used by Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps and militia groups that it backs, the Pentagon said, warning the U.S. will take additional measures if attacks by Iran's proxies continue.

The U.S. air strikes took place at roughly 4:30 a.m. on Friday (0130 GMT) near Abu Kamal, a Syrian town on the border with Iraq, and were carried out by two F-16 fighter jets using precision munitions, a U.S. defence official said.

So they used a couple of precision bombs from a couple of F-16s against a couple of ammo/weapon dumps, and Biden sent a direct message to the Ayatollah and the Pentagon made sure everybody in the world knew that we did it.

I'm going to guess that next time, it's not going to be some ammo dumps, and it'll be more than a couple of F-16s dropping a couple of bombs.  

And it may not be limited to Syria.

Since they used drones and missiles (or tried to) against our troops, and this is probably their one warning from us, Putin may want to get on the horn to Iran and tell them to back down, since it would be a real shame if we went after their drone and missile factories that were producing munitions potentially used against American troops and that were keeping Russia in the fight against Ukraine.  We didn't deploy F-35s to the Persian Gulf for shits and giggles.

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29 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

More on the strike

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/eu-calls-humanitarian-pauses-gaza-aid-israel-raids-enclave-2023-10-26/

So they used a couple of precision bombs from a couple of F-16s against a couple of ammo/weapon dumps, and Biden sent a direct message to the Ayatollah and the Pentagon made sure everybody in the world knew that we did it.

I'm going to guess that next time, it's not going to be some ammo dumps, and it'll be more than a couple of F-16s dropping a couple of bombs.  

And it may not be limited to Syria.

Since they used drones and missiles (or tried to) against our troops, and this is probably their one warning from us, Putin may want to get on the horn to Iran and tell them to back down, since it would be a real shame if we went after their drone and missile factories that were producing munitions potentially used against American troops and that were keeping Russia in the fight against Ukraine.  We didn't deploy F-35s to the Persian Gulf for shits and giggles.

Iran is incredibly weak rn.

Russia is completely engaged (and losing), as well as needing help from Iran to stay viable. Strategically and politicly, carpet bombing the fuck out of Iran, the root cause of all this shit for 20 years, makes a lot of sense compared to the carnage these two counties cause year after year. 

Time to acknowledge bad actors and fuck them up. Waiting helps no one and hurts more and more people. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

it would be a real shame if we went after their drone and missile factories that were producing munitions potentially used against American troops and that were keeping Russia in the fight against Ukraine.  We didn't deploy F-35s to the Persian Gulf for shits and giggles.

Those factories should already be 2 foot tall piles of dust.

Killing the supply chain for Iranian drones and missiles is much cheaper and more effective than trying to knock all the missiles and drones down once launched against our troops, Israel and Ukraine. We also need to add much more severe sanctions against anyone supplying the Iranian/Russian missile and drone programs, as well as add substantial prison time for any executives from Western companies that attempt to circumvent sanctions. Further, we need to figure out what we can do to aid the Iranian people in overthrowing the mullahs. 

Proportional responses don't work with fuckwads like Iranian leadership. We can escalate WAY past what the mullahs can. It's time to remind them. 

[statsman 5471]

The last thing the WH wants in 2023 is a spike in energy prices (would hurt politically, and also help Russia). I suspect that affects the severity of the responses to Iran’s troublemaking

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wrong board

Edited October 27, 2023 by locodos

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

"There's no intel at this time on which direction the protest will head."
Anybody wanna make a guess?

Hoping onto a ship that heads right to Gaza so they can do their part

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Iran wants in on the hostage holding game again. Maybe not the taking game, just the holding. 
 
 

They saw us trade a global arms dealer for a wnba player.

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2 hours ago, statsman said:

The last thing the WH wants in 2023 is a spike in energy prices (would hurt politically, and also help Russia). I suspect that affects the severity of the responses to Iran’s troublemaking

We've been quickly building up in (and just outside of the) the Persian Gulf, both the Air Force (Saudi Arabia/Kuwait/etc.) and the Navy/Marines (including a Marine Expeditionary Unit in the Persian Gulf), and we've recently been sailing through the Strait of Hormuz with upper-ranking French and British officers (I think admirals) on board one of our ships, and we are doing all of this very publicly, and on top of stopping/boarding Iranian ships and confiscating military goods prior to this month.  

We're not quite into a 'The Guns of August' situation, but within the last month, you had Hamas invade and slaughter Israels, you have Iranian-backed groups ramping up attacks against American forces, you have Russia's Foreign Ministry publicly announcing that they are hosting a high-level Hamas delegation all the while Iran is Russia's closest effective ally against Ukraine (sorry Belarus, you ain't supplying shit), you have US Navy and Saudi forces shooting down missiles and drones launched from Iranian-backed forces in Yemen and pointed at Israel.

Me thinks at the very least, we are going to run interference for Israel and keep Iran from entering the chat, whether directly or indirectly (supplies such as drones/missiles).

[statsman 5471]

Good point, and my comment about gas prices- there is an alliance of Iran, Russia and China, and of them- Russia wants higher gas prices. Russia supports Iran in their efforts to start trouble. 
 
Know who else wants higher gas prices? The 12th Man Foundation. Add them to the axis? (No CR)

Edited October 27, 2023 by statsman

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18 hours ago, Wilcox Cummingtonite said:

 

When the "Culture of Tolerance" paradigm goes wrong.  

[Don Johnson 4754]

GWU has the 4th highest Jewish student population

 

[InkaUtexas 25951]

10 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

GWU has the 4th highest Jewish student population

 

My daughter goes there. She said the environment is very tense and a lot of students are not going to class. 

[Frank Drebin 5642]

It's weird how no one on the Pro Palestinian “side” at these rallies/protests/gatherings around the world are outright condemning Hamas and demanding their removal. Not even immediately after the slaughter of October 7th. Especially confusing since I am told they do not support Hamas.

Or do they?

[Brisketexan 105152]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

It's weird how no one on the Pro Palestinian “side” at these rallies/protests/gatherings around the world are outright condemning Hamas and demanding their removal. Not even immediately after the slaughter of October 7th. Especially confusing since I am told they do not support Hamas.

Or do they?

Fuck these assholes for making me agree with Frank Drebin on anything.  Seriously.  I am told over and over and over that the Palestinians are not Hamas, that Palestinians do not support Hamas.....and over and over, the groups that speak for Palestinians make it very plain and clear that they sure as shit support Hamas and what they did.

I'd love to sympathize with the Palestinian people and their cause (broadly, at least -- all people should live without fear, and with an opportunity for a safe and good life).....but I can't get there.  I just can't.  Not with this shit over and over and over and over.  If your cause is inextricably entwined with being in favor of committing purposeful crimes against humanity, and celebrating/glorifying (the word "glory" is right there on the building, guys) those crimes.....nope.  I'm out.

Doesn't mean I'll excuse any war crimes committed by Israel.  But it means that I have little sympathy or support for the Palestinian people or cause.  I'm trying.  I really am.  But nope.  Can't do it.

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2 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

They saw us trade a global arms dealer for a wnba player.

Call me crazy here, but countries like Iran and Russia have us by the balls in a hostage swap because they literally don't give a fuck about any of their citizens.

[Skipper 6135]

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Fuck these assholes for making me agree with Frank Drebin on anything.  Seriously.  I am told over and over and over that the Palestinians are not Hamas, that Palestinians do not support Hamas.....and over and over, the groups that speak for Palestinians make it very plain and clear that they sure as shit support Hamas and what they did.

I'd love to sympathize with the Palestinian people and their cause (broadly, at least -- all people should live without fear, and with an opportunity for a safe and good life).....but I can't get there.  I just can't.  Not with this shit over and over and over and over.  If your cause is inextricably entwined with being in favor of committing purposeful crimes against humanity, and celebrating/glorifying (the word "glory" is right there on the building, guys) those crimes.....nope.  I'm out.

Doesn't mean I'll excuse any war crimes committed by Israel.  But it means that I have little sympathy or support for the Palestinian people or cause.  I'm trying.  I really am.  But nope.  Can't do it.

This.  I'm absolutely disgusted with what is going on right now in this country.  Especially after sitting with a jewish client and listening to his personal experiences in New York.  I'll stop it there because otherwise will probably get too Cloak Roomy but it's really disappointing that there isn't more backlash.  How the fuck did tacitly supporting fucking terrorists become "PC"?

[Frank Drebin 5642]

 

This vexes me.

['stache 21817]

22 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Fuck these assholes for making me agree with Frank Drebin on anything.  Seriously.  I am told over and over and over that the Palestinians are not Hamas, that Palestinians do not support Hamas.....and over and over, the groups that speak for Palestinians make it very plain and clear that they sure as shit support Hamas and what they did.

I'd love to sympathize with the Palestinian people and their cause (broadly, at least -- all people should live without fear, and with an opportunity for a safe and good life).....but I can't get there.  I just can't.  Not with this shit over and over and over and over.  If your cause is inextricably entwined with being in favor of committing purposeful crimes against humanity, and celebrating/glorifying (the word "glory" is right there on the building, guys) those crimes.....nope.  I'm out.

Doesn't mean I'll excuse any war crimes committed by Israel.  But it means that I have little sympathy or support for the Palestinian people or cause.  I'm trying.  I really am.  But nope.  Can't do it.

Well this is where we are in this country. Everything Israel has done to Palestinians over the last 75 years is completely excused. Any criticism of that conduct leads to accusations of being a genocidal anti-Semite. The post above with the professor's slides showing colonization and settlement expansion by Israel made the Jewish student feel "unsafe" being near an "anti-Semite." There may have been more inflammatory statements made in that context, but the slides were just showing true history of the region and imposition of the State of Israel by Britain and other western powers and Israeli disregard for even those borders.

Can we at least agree that anti-Semitism in Europe before WWII (basically hatred for Jews for being "outsiders" by way of diaspora and succeeding in business among other things) is very different than Palestinian hatred for Israel (a country of foreigners imposed upon occupied land)? Because of Hamas, you have no sympathy for Palestinians with zero regard to the circumstances that lead Palestinians to hate the circumstances imposed upon them. I'll never understand this concept. And if I ever posted something like this on Facebook I'd probably be fired.

Edited October 27, 2023 by 'stache

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10 minutes ago, Skipper said:

This.  I'm absolutely disgusted with what is going on right now in this country.  Especially after sitting with a jewish client and listening to his personal experiences in New York.  I'll stop it there because otherwise will probably get too Cloak Roomy but it's really disappointing that there isn't more backlash.  How the fuck did tacitly supporting fucking terrorists become "PC"?

I work with a guy who's dad immigrated here. The dad is a Greek Turk. My coworker was bitching to me about us financing Israel's military to kill Gazans. He said he felt he couldn't vote for any Democrats or Republicans because of their support for Israel. For a lot of people of Middle Eastern Muslim ancestry, they generally see it as similar to Native Americans fighting white settlers. We can disagree with them, but that's their viewpoint.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/27/michigan-arab-american-voters-biden-israel

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7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Any criticism of that conduct leads to accusations of being a genocidal anti-Semite.

Incorrect.  For fuck's sake, I spent several hours on Sunday sitting shiva with some jewish friends of ours (friend's elderly mother passed).  THEY are critical of Israel's treatment of Palestinians, and have been since I've known them.  There is PLENTY of criticism of the actions of Israel, including criticism among Israelis and jews themselves.

I'm sorry, but so long as the Palestinian cause waves a fucking "glory to martyrs" flag celebrating the purposeful and gleeful slaughter of innocents, I cannot stand with them.  I can't do it.

10 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Because of Hamas, you have no sympathy for Palestinians with zero regard to the circumstances that lead Palestinians to hate the circumstances imposed upon them.

No.  It's not because of Hamas. It's because the Palestinian cause and those who support it are consistently and repeatedly SUPPORTIVE OF AND ALIGNED WITH HAMAS AND WHAT THEY DID.  Glory to fucking martyrs.  Glory to people who were gleefully slaughtering innocents, with full intention and purpose.  Nope.  Sorry.  I don't care what your fucking circumstance is or was, when you gleefully slaughter innocents and glorify it because it's what you WANT to do, you lose all support and sympathy.  There's a line.  It is being crossed, repeatedly.   Nope.  Not gonna do it.

A Palestinian cause that says "we're ripshit pissed, we think Israel has fucked us, but we don't support the gleeful slaughter of innocents?"  Sign me up.  People keep telling me that cause exists....but it sure seems like every time we go looking for that cause, it turns into "and glory to the martyrs," or "sure, Hamas did some stuff, but have I told you about how bad the jews are?"  If you wanted to put on a clinic on how to take a facially sympathetic cause and piss all sympathy away, today's supporters of the Palestinian cause should be given a professorship in that clinic.

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15 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Well this is where we are in this country. Everything Israel has done to Palestinians over the last 75 years is completely excused. Any criticism of that conduct leads to accusations of being a genocidal anti-Semite. The post above with the professor's slides showing colonization and settlement expansion by Israel made the Jewish student feel "unsafe" being near an "anti-Semite." There may have been more inflammatory statements made in that context, but the slides were just showing true history of the region and imposition of the State of Israel by Britain and other western powers and Israeli disregard for even those borders.

Can we at least agree that anti-Semitism in Europe before WWII (basically hatred for Jews for being "outsiders" by way of diaspora and succeeding in business among other things) is very different than Palestinian hatred for Israel (a country of foreigners imposed upon occupied land)? Because of Hamas, you have no sympathy for Palestinians with zero regard to the circumstances that lead Palestinians to hate the circumstances imposed upon them. I'll never understand this concept. And if I ever posted something like this on Facebook I'd probably be fired.

 

11 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

I work with a guy who's dad immigrated here. The dad is a Greek Turk. My coworker was bitching to me about us financing Israel's military to kill Gazans. He said he felt he couldn't vote for any Democrats or Republicans because of their support for Israel. For a lot of people of Middle Eastern Muslim ancestry, they generally see it as similar to Native Americans fighting white settlers. We can disagree with them, but that's their viewpoint.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/27/michigan-arab-american-voters-biden-israel

 

 

from the river to the sea

 

 

[Newdoc 3443]

36 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

being in favor of committing purposeful crimes against humanity

Remember, some of the non-active Palestinian people have been brainwashed at home, in the community and even at school about the evils of the Jewish people. It’s a very sad state. It’s like American daddy is a KKK member and shapes Jimmy’s view of other races but what’s different about Gaza is that there is no opposing viewpoint anywhere unless the kids bootleg the internet. We’re talking Hitler’s Germany level of brainwash.

In no way do I think this should dissuade Israel from surgically extracting every last Hamas member.

And for the college students in this country who “think” they are on the right side of supporting outright anti semitism?, shame on you. You are utterly becoming a disgusting human being. Obviously, German history in the 1930’s is not taught in school. Protesting for the human rights of the Palestinian people is acceptable. But that’s not what’s happening with these radicalized view points shouted across college campuses. There is no excuse for a person in America to be able to seek the balance of truth unless they are intellectually unwilling and lazy enough to accept whatever bullshit some professor or media source has fed them.

[Frank Drebin 5642]

Palestinian leadership is far more at fault for the oppressions of Palestinians than Israel is.  Israel will make peace with Muslims and give land in exchange for doing so.  They have done so in the past and made peace.  But you cannot make peace with a group of people who do not believe Israel has the right to exist and that want to murder Jews.

Palestinians should have taken the deal Israel was willing to offer that was brokered by Clinton.  But the truth is they -- not just Hamas -- but the Palestinian in general, do not want Israel to exist.  It's why they chant "from the river to the sea."

In my opinion, Israel has exercised remarkable restraint.  The USA would not put up with Mexico doing this.  Or an Indian nation doing this.  Regardless of past wrongs of the USA.

['stache 21817]

14 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

 

 

from the river to the sea

 

 

I.e., "Manifest Destiny." Only works if you have the power. "Might is Right," that's the summary of this entire conflict. Britain tells Palestinians that they all live in Israel now and the newcomers get to boss you around. What the problem is?

[Viper 12109]

37 minutes ago, 'stache said:

a country of foreigners imposed upon occupied land

you this is untrue right? Israel is almost 2/3 native to the middle east. It's been 70 something years and they've won multiple wars. It's theirs.

[Nivek 16936]

I.e., "Manifest Destiny." Only works if you have the power. "Might is Right," that's the summary of this entire conflict. Britain tells Palestinians that they all live in Israel now and the newcomers get to boss you around. What the problem is?

If you need to dumb it down to understand, then maybe you should just bow out.

['stache 21817]

9 minutes ago, Viper said:

you this is untrue right? Israel is almost 2/3 native to the middle east. It's been 70 something years and they've won multiple wars. It's theirs.

And yet it really came to a head after the UN encouraged European Jews to move there too and gave them all the military powers of the west. Yes, the Arab Palestinians lost many wars when up against the might of every western power. I at least appreciate honesty that the defeated should just accept subjugation. 

[Nivek 16936]

Remember, some of the non-active Palestinian people have been brainwashed at home, in the community and even at school about the evils of the Jewish people. It’s a very sad state. It’s like American daddy is a KKK member and shapes Jimmy’s view of other races but what’s different about Gaza is that there is no opposing viewpoint anywhere unless the kids bootleg the internet. We’re talking Hitler’s Germany level of brainwash.
In no way do I think this should dissuade Israel from surgically extracting every last Hamas member.
And for the college students in this country who “think” they are on the right side of supporting outright anti semitism?, shame on you. You are utterly becoming a disgusting human being. Obviously, German history in the 1930’s is not taught in school. Protesting for the human rights of the Palestinian people is acceptable. But that’s not what’s happening with these radicalized view points shouted across college campuses. There is no excuse for a person in America to be able to seek the balance of truth unless they are intellectually unwilling and lazy enough to accept whatever bullshit some professor or media source has fed them.

No such thing as surgical strikes when human shields are involved.

And those students are a product of our education system. We create workers, not thinkers.

[Frank Drebin 5642]

23 minutes ago, 'stache said:

And yet it really came to a head after the UN encouraged European Jews to move there too and gave them all the military powers of the west. Yes, the Arab Palestinians lost many wars when up against the might of every western power. I at least appreciate honesty that the defeated should just accept subjugation. 

This is straight up bullshit. Israel was not backed by anyone in 1948 when 5 Arab countries attacked them.  They had to illegally smuggle weapons in.  Stole some from the Brits.  And got the rest from the Czechs with Stalin's approval.  Israel was the big underdog in 1948 and had to fight its ass off to survive.  We really did not start backing them militarily until the Cold War got going.  Soviets backed Arabs.  We backed Israel.

There never was a "Palestine".  It was part of the Ottoman-Turkish empire for 400 years.  The Turks allied with Axis powers and lost their holdings in WW1.  Then the Arabs in the area cozied up with Hitler in WWII.

The West Bank was part of Jordan and Gaza was part of Egypt after the partition. Again, there was no Palestine.  When they all attacked Israel multiple times they lost their land in West Bank, Gaza and Golan Heights.  Israel would give most of it back if those fucking morons would just agree to the right for the Jews to have their state and leave them alone.  But they won't.

In sum:

• Arabs rejected "Partition." They could have had their own nation in 1948, but they said no.
• Jews accepted "Partition," and on May 14, 1948, Israel was re-birthed.
• Arabs in the West Bank became part of Jordan, and in Gaza, they became part of Egypt.
• Arabs declared war on Israel the day after the UN vote. Five Arab nations, plus the local population, attacked the new Jewish state and lost.
• Again, they could have had peace and their own Arab nation but chose war.  Because they do not believe Israel has the right to exist.

Edited October 27, 2023 by Frank Drebin

[M12BH 545]

1 hour ago, Skipper said:

This.  I'm absolutely disgusted with what is going on right now in this country.  Especially after sitting with a jewish client and listening to his personal experiences in New York.  I'll stop it there because otherwise will probably get too Cloak Roomy but it's really disappointing that there isn't more backlash.  How the fuck did tacitly supporting fucking terrorists become "PC"?

Two words.  I won't say them but they rhyme with shmanti shmemitism.  Same as it ever was.  Wish I could put on my shocked face but I just can't.  

[Frank Drebin 5642]

This NY bro was not having it (someone tearing down flyers of kidnapped Israeli children)

 

 

 

[Skipper 6135]

Love it.  More of that.   

[Schulz2.0 28957]

Sounds like the ground offensive will begin soon. 

[MisterP 127]

7 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

I don't understand the indignation to having kidnapped/photos up. Why are people so agitated by seeing it that they have to rip it down instead of just walking by it? What point do they think they are making? 

They think it's Jewish propaganda.

Palestine = Hamas

[MisterP 127]

4 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

So they don't think these people were actually massacred and kidnapped and it's just propaganda? 

Some people, yes.

A lot of westerners see Israel as a colonistic state that is just looking for a land grab and automatically side with Palestine and view any Israeli action as them seeking to take more land. 

Edited October 27, 2023 by MisterP

[Samson's Wig 3192]

2 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

This vexes me.

I would believe that 51% of Harvard students think this way, but no way 51% of Americans do.  Polls are stupid.

[Frank Drebin 5642]

8 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

I would believe that 51% of Harvard students think this way, but no way 51% of Americans do.  Polls are stupid.

It's 51% of Americans aged 18-24. Our education systems are full of poison.

[Don Johnson 4754]

For many, the reason they oppose Israel goes no deeper than their political enemies support Israel.  It's a game.  There are teams.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

We see it in Ukraine too, obviously. It's absurd.

[Bevo 13577]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

And yet it really came to a head after the UN encouraged European Jews to move there too and gave them all the military powers of the west. Yes, the Arab Palestinians lost many wars when up against the might of every western power. I at least appreciate honesty that the defeated should just accept subjugation. 

Or maybe it came to a head when Israelis were persecuted in the Middle East and forced to move to Israel from countries like Iran, Iraq, and Turkey.

[Frank Drebin 5642]

4 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Or maybe it came to a head when Israelis were persecuted in the Middle East and forced to move to Israel from countries like Iran, Iraq, and Turkey.

 

[Viper 12109]

1 hour ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Sounds like the ground offensive will begin soon. 

Tonight's the night

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Viper

[Schulz2.0 28957]

[South Austin 52515]

16 minutes ago, Viper said:

Tonight's the night

 

And I was just about to complain how there was nothing good on TV tonight.

[Samson's Wig 3192]

1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

It's 51% of Americans aged 18-24. Our education systems are full of poison.

Thanks, I skimmed right past that part - my bad.  They must have polled college students, as I doubt 51% of Americans aged 18-24 could point out the Gaza Strip (or Israel) on a map with ten tries, much less know what Hamas is or that there is even a conflict.