Israel-Hamas war thread

[MNLonghornFUKM 8795]

Why would Putin do that? He's the one brainwashing the Russians against the Jews

So why call the national guard to restore order?

[Schulz2.0 28710]

1 hour ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

So why call the national guard to restore order?

Who exactly is reporting the "national guard" was called out? Everything I've seen is it was local security services that responded. This is the same Russia who's national propaganda channels were praising Hamas and criticizing Israel after the terrorist attacks. This is the same Russia that just received a delegation from Hamas.

[MagicSoccerSpray 1725]

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/wars-push-up-demand-for-weapons-sparking-fears-of-shortages-57d664ad

https://archive.ph/T2mAX

[Viper 11998]

7 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Why would Putin do that? He's the one brainwashing the Russians against the Jews

There are reports that the fsb encouraged or organized the mob

 

 

[YGIFS 19447]

There is no historical evidence to suggest that Russia has the capacity, nor the motive, to wage digital misinformation campaigns regarding people outside their borders.  Zero.  

Edited October 30, 2023 by YGIFS

[956 Worldwide 34241]

15 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

There is no historical evidence to suggest that Russia has the capacity, nor the motive, to wage digital misinformation campaigns regarding people outside their borders.  Zero.  

Well, Dagestan is internal to Russian borders.  I am suspect of Sushko’s argument here, though. Much of Russia’s state capacity in the North Caucuses is exercised via a devil’s bargain with local leaders— you keep a lid on terrorism directed at the Russian state, you get to run things as you like, and we won’t flatten you like we did Grozny. 
 

(Incidentally, the last Chechen campaign and subsequent anti-terror op shows that there is a level of state violence that can quash insurgencies although that’s a different discussion).

The Rosgvardia units assigned to the airport would have been made up of locals and likely sympathetic to the rioters. It doesn’t need to have been directed by the FSB, Islamism is constantly bubbling beneath the surface as well as anger. 
 

Anyway, good to see the WaPo digital headline editor wake up.

[YGIFS 19447]

I was laying on the sarcasm pretty thick.  

[Viper 11998]

Sounds like the IDF found Shani's body and she's confirmed dead. It always seemed very unlikely she was still alive, or at least for very long.

Edit: It was actually worse

 

I've also seen tweets of some even more horrific videos found on Oct 7th victims phones, but haven't seen it coming from any official accounts or news agencies yet.

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by Viper

[Viper 11998]

2 hours ago, Viper said:

There are reports that the fsb encouraged or organized the mob

 

 

 

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Well, Dagestan is internal to Russian borders.  I am suspect of Sushko’s argument here, though. Much of Russia’s state capacity in the North Caucuses is exercised via a devil’s bargain with local leaders— you keep a lid on terrorism directed at the Russian state, you get to run things as you like, and we won’t flatten you like we did Grozny. 
 

(Incidentally, the last Chechen campaign and subsequent anti-terror op shows that there is a level of state violence that can quash insurgencies although that’s a different discussion).

The Rosgvardia units assigned to the airport would have been made up of locals and likely sympathetic to the rioters. It doesn’t need to have been directed by the FSB, Islamism is constantly bubbling beneath the surface as well as anger. 
 

Anyway, good to see the WaPo digital headline editor wake up.

 

[Wilcox Cummingtonite 2835]

 

[Frank Drebin 5620]

 

 

[MissingInAction 24746]

Right before our very eyes. 

[alincoln 2364]

2 hours ago, Viper said:

EdiSounds like the IDF found Shani's body and she's confirmed dead. It always seemed very unlikely she was still alive, or at least for very long.

Edit: It was actually worse

I've also seen tweets of some even more horrific videos found on Oct 7th victims phones, but haven't seen it coming from any official accounts or news agencies yet.

 

She was raped to death along with many others.

[Wilcox Cummingtonite 2835]

Show us the proof

Proof is shown - must be AI

More proof is shown - cant be true

More proof is shown - I don't care - Jews had it coming

[Ted Lange 15975]

Some food for thought

 

 

 

[Wilcox Cummingtonite 2835]

What 4 generations of incest will do

 

[bolverk 29261]

21 minutes ago, Bevo said:

This thread is for news. DT is not for discussing political opinions. If you want to change that policy, pm blacklab or immamac.

Much of the past several pages have been largely corrupted by American domestic squabbles with little swipes taken at younger generations, higher ed, the media, etc. All of that shit should go into the CR. But some choose to post over here rather than engage in any discussion over there, so they'll just make coy little, passive-aggressive statements here instead.

To Brisket's credit, he just don't a fuck and will Leeroy Jenkins his way into a political debate anytime, anywhere. I might disagree with his takes sometimes, but it's a more respectable approach than trying to be cute and indirect about it.

But to your point, I'd prefer actual news about what's going on in the war between Israel and Hamas in this thread. This is the one I read for on-the-ground circumstances.

[blacklab 11840]

I've been busy at work so haven't had time to clean up the thread.

Please take the shit about higher education in the US to the CR thread.

This thread is for news in Israel and Gaza.

[bolverk 29261]

 

 

 

[bolverk 29261]

Some are speculating that the IDF is trying to cut the Gaza Strip in half to isolate Hamas to just the north.

 

 

[RDCanecutter 26198]

5 hours ago, YGIFS said:

I was laying on the sarcasm pretty thick.  

You were using the smooth sarcasm. Gotta use the chunky sarcasm.

[Ted Lange 15975]

 

 

[bolverk 29261]

More detail on IDF where troops are located: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/07/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-maps.html

 

[Frank Drebin 5620]

 

 

[InkaUtexas 25289]

22 minutes ago, bolverk said:

More detail on IDF where troops are located: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/07/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-maps.html

 

Looking at this map. Makes sense to maintain control over the corridor. Create a safe zone, and press from the north. 

[Viper 11998]

Some good news, a hostage was rescued.

 

[horn_of_the_morning 978]

What Happens When There Aren’t Enough Jews to Lynch?

Ask the mob in Dagestan, Russia.

https://www.thefp.com/p/dagestan-airport-antisemitic-mob-jews

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There are about eight hundred Jewish families left in the southern Russian republic of Dagestan. So the antisemites who live there have faced a supply-demand issue in recent days: a mob of salivating Jew-haters without sufficient Jews to lynch.

On October 28, the Flamingo Hotel in Khasavyurt, Dagestan, was stormed by a group of men looking for Jews. On October 29, the Jewish community center in Nalchik was set on fire—along with an inscription on one of its walls: “Death to the Jews.” In Cherkessk, on Russian Telegram, videos circulate of locals calling for Jews to leave the country. 

So you can imagine the excitement when the people of Dagestan heard that a flight from Tel Aviv was landing on Sunday evening at the airport in the city of Makhachkala.

Hundreds of people stormed the airport to greet that flight—of 45 passengers, 15 were Israeli, many of them children. “Allahu Akbar,” they shout in videos that have emerged online, some men waving Palestinian flags. On the tarmac, they attack an airport employee, who desperately explains: “There are no passengers here anymore,” and then exclaims, “I am Muslim!” Some of the rioters demanded to examine the passports of arriving passengers, seemingly trying to identify those who were Israeli, and others searched cars as they were leaving. Another video emerged of two young boys at the airport, proudly declaring that they came to “kill Jews” with knives. 

According to the local health ministry, more than 20 people were injured in the skirmishes. One video showed a pilot telling the passengers over the intercom to “please stay seated and don’t try to open the plane’s door. There is an angry mob outside.” 

Rioters on the tarmac at Dagestan airport. (Photo via X)
Today the Kremlin responded by blaming the airport attack on “external interference” from Ukraine and the West. Top Putin advisers were set to gather to discuss what they characterized as the “West’s attempts to use the events in the Middle East to split Russian society,” according to reports. 

East of Georgia and south of Chechnya, Dagestan is one of Russia’s poorest regions. It is majority Muslim, and its most extreme religious strains have had a renaissance over the last two decades. The Kremlin has emphasized orthodoxy for all of Russia’s faiths, as Putin relies on religious leaders to be conduits for political support from the masses. (It was there, in the city of Makhachkala, that Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev reportedly became radicalized.) In the past year, Dagestan has been deeply affected by the war in Ukraine; official figures estimate that the region has had one of the highest casualty rates of the war. 

After years of being gripped by Islamic insurgency, “Dagestani elites have been at pains to demonstrate their loyalty whenever possible,” Keith Gessen reported in The New Yorker last year—they are “deeply traumatized by loss, but. . . for the most part kept up a patriotic front.”

Scan the region’s Telegram channels, and Putin’s war on Ukraine barely exists. But the hatred of Jews, largely inspired by propaganda imported from abroad, runs rampant. In Utro Dagestan, a Telegram channel with 65,000 subscribers that called for the riot at the airport, messages encouraging the destruction of Zionists are constant. One post this morning read: “We initially asked not to make a pogrom. But since this is how it worked out, then we in any case support every person who was in the airport!!! [to protest] the crimes against humanity that the Jews are doing in Palestine.”

Few of these people, if any, could tell you that the Jews first came to Dagestan via Persia in the fifth century CE; the community has a tradition that they descended from the first exiles of Jews from Jerusalem. They traveled along the Silk Road and settled in the Caucasus in the early medieval period, speaking Juhuri, or Judeo-Tat, and are known as the Kavkazi Jews, or in Russian Gorskiye evreyi, which means “Mountain Jews.” 

Today, there are an estimated 150,000 Gorskiy Jews worldwide—most of the community having migrated to Moscow, the United States, and Israel. Dagestan’s chief rabbi, Ovadia Isakov, estimates that there are as few as 300–400 families in Derbent, the republic’s oldest city, and the “same number throughout Dagestan.”

In the wake of the pogrom at the airport, a representative for Rabbi Isakov spoke with bewilderment on his behalf. “The situation is very difficult in Dagestan, people from the community are afraid, they call, but I don’t know what to advise,” he told a publication called Rise. “One woman turned to the local police officer for help, and he said: ‘Well, you see what you are doing to their children there.’ She tried to explain what Hamas was doing, but for the district police officer it was the opposite. The whole world is turned upside down for him and everyone else.” 

Isakov himself had already narrowly escaped death at the hands of a local terrorist. In 2013, he was shot when returning from performing ritual slaughter for kosher meat. But he says today, “Is it worth leaving at all? For Russia is not salvation, there were pogroms in Russia too. It’s not clear where to run.”

My family did run, back in 1979, from Soviet Ukraine and Russia. They ran to the United States, hoping for a life free from the pogroms that were the fate of so many of our ancestors, the all-too-familiar stories of murders and burning villages. We felt blessed to settle in New York. Children and grandchildren were born here who grew up feeling safe. Now we are shaken by antisemitic incidents on the rise around us, and by those flooding the streets cheering on the massacre of Jews. (This moment reminds me of an old Yiddish cartoon from 1921. It shows the wandering Jew, trying to put his foot down somewhere on the globe, but every country has daggers sticking out.)

But among many post-Soviet Jewish refugees, both family and community members, few are shocked by recent world events; their lives and memories have prepared them for this dark moment. “It is inevitable,” my grandparents tell me. They were evacuated out of Kyiv as toddlers, and so were saved from the fate of the remaining Jews—at least 34,000 of whom were slaughtered by the Germans in 1941 at a ravine called Babi Yar. 

My father-in-law, Rabbi Pinchas Goldschimdt, was the chief rabbi of Moscow for the past three decades. But he, too, left last year, after refusing to support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine—which religious leaders are expected to do in modern Russia. He has repeatedly urged his community members to emigrate to Israel, where he now lives. He continues to do so, even with Israel under bombardment. 

“When we look back over Russian history, whenever the political system was in danger you saw the government trying to redirect the anger and discontent of the masses toward the Jewish community,” he told The Guardian in December. “We’re seeing rising antisemitism while Russia is going back to a new kind of Soviet Union, and step by step the iron curtain is coming down again. This is why I believe the best option for Russian Jews is to leave.”

As for Dagestan, the reports in the paper would have you believe that the mob gathered in a kind of organic frenzy. But this is a country where nothing happens without state-level approval, whether proactive or passive. “The pogroms in Dagestan are taking place not only with the connivance, but with the coordination, of the authorities,” writes dissident journalist Dmitriy Glukhovskiy for Echo Moscow. 

As Russian Jewish dissident, journalist Evgenia Albats tweeted: “Are there anti-Semites in Makhachkala? Yes, sure. Have there been before? Yes, sure. What happened now? 20 months of war, rising prices, hundreds, if not thousands of men killed, the pack is accumulating and requires a release.”

Note that the airport pogrom occurred three weeks after President Putin’s all-too-evenhanded comments on the Hamas massacre of October 7. It came after Russia’s U.N. Security Council resolution last week, which avoided mention of Hamas and days after Moscow welcomed a delegation from Hamas, led by official Moussa Abu Marzouk. Marzouk insisted there would be no hostage exchange until Israel agrees to a cease-fire, and Hamas later thanked Putin for his “position regarding the ongoing Zionist aggression against our people.” This is not long after a Moscow-based crypto exchange, Garantex, transferred $93 million to Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which took part in the attacks on October 7. 

Today, in the wake of the airport mob, Russian press Secretary Dmitry Peskov has wasted no time in redirecting the blame and declaring that the airport attack was “Western meddling” intended to “divide Russia.”

But the Makhachkala airport scene was no backwater dream of a pogrom in some far-off republic. It is a whisper of something else, something far more sinister. That is, Russia’s attempt to direct its starved and war-devastated masses to blow off steam about the zhyd as in times of old. It is the oldest trick in the book: let them focus on the Jew, not on the falling ruble and the rising cost of food, not on the failing war that has ravaged their sons. It is the Jew that is the problem.

“Farewell, unwashed Russia / Land of slaves, land of masters,” the great Russian poet, Mikhail Lermontov, once wrote, imagining his freedom in the south of the country. “. . . Perhaps beyond the wall of the Caucasus, I will hide from your pashas / From their all-seeing eye / From their all-hearing ears.” 

Alas, dear Lermontov, no one is safe from the reach of the Russian pashas. 

Not even in Makhachkala.

Avital Chizhik-Goldschmidt is a journalist, whose work has appeared in the Atlantic, The New York Times, Foreign Policy, and The New Republic, among others. Follow her on Twitter (now X) @avitalrachel.

 

[Viper 11998]

4 hours ago, Wilcox Cummingtonite said:

What 4 generations of incest will do

 

writes for the times apparently

It should be noted though, that the baby story is not confirmed by anyone at this time

During these hours, a horrifying testimony about a baby's body found in an oven is being circulated on the networks. Millions, and perhaps tens of millions, have already been exposed to it in English and Hebrew. Naturally we receive a lot of reports and we are still checking things. Here is what we know as of this time: - The testimony is attributed to the president of the Salvation Union Eli Bir and was apparently quoted for the first time by the media person and newspaper owner

@NewYorkSun

, Dovid Efune. We have not found any more references to her that rely on other sources. - We contacted Eli Bir himself and other factors in the rescue union, but we have not yet received a response. -Journalist Yishai Cohen said that he contacted officials in the IDF, Zaka and Shura camp - who said they were not familiar with the incident. -Journalist Haim Levinson reported that he checked the story and found no basis for it. According to him, the testimony is based on a volunteer who saw a baby with "stove marks" in the camp. -Contrary to the claim that came up, the IDF spokesman did not present such an event in the closed screening of the materials that was made for the foreign journalists If you have more information - please contact us. It is important for us to say at this stage: There are horrifying and unimaginable testimonies from the massacre in the Gaza Strip, and still even today there are those who doubt their credibility, and they do so while taking advantage of specific testimonies that have no basis. Denying the massacre is in the interest of Hamas supporters and other hostile elements operating on social networks. If you see a testimony that has no source or official confirmation - avoid spreading it. Inaccurate testimony has the potential for great harm.

 

 

 

[MissingInAction 24746]

1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

 

Burkas starting to make sense now.

[Samson's Wig 3167]

14 minutes ago, Viper said:

writes for the times apparently

It should be noted though, that the baby story is not confirmed by anyone at this time

During these hours, a horrifying testimony about a baby's body found in an oven is being circulated on the networks. Millions, and perhaps tens of millions, have already been exposed to it in English and Hebrew. Naturally we receive a lot of reports and we are still checking things. Here is what we know as of this time: - The testimony is attributed to the president of the Salvation Union Eli Bir and was apparently quoted for the first time by the media person and newspaper owner

@NewYorkSun

, Dovid Efune. We have not found any more references to her that rely on other sources. - We contacted Eli Bir himself and other factors in the rescue union, but we have not yet received a response. -Journalist Yishai Cohen said that he contacted officials in the IDF, Zaka and Shura camp - who said they were not familiar with the incident. -Journalist Haim Levinson reported that he checked the story and found no basis for it. According to him, the testimony is based on a volunteer who saw a baby with "stove marks" in the camp. -Contrary to the claim that came up, the IDF spokesman did not present such an event in the closed screening of the materials that was made for the foreign journalists If you have more information - please contact us. It is important for us to say at this stage: There are horrifying and unimaginable testimonies from the massacre in the Gaza Strip, and still even today there are those who doubt their credibility, and they do so while taking advantage of specific testimonies that have no basis. Denying the massacre is in the interest of Hamas supporters and other hostile elements operating on social networks. If you see a testimony that has no source or official confirmation - avoid spreading it. Inaccurate testimony has the potential for great harm.

 

 

 

Real story or not, fuck that fucking fuck.  What is wrong with people?

[bolverk 29261]

21 minutes ago, Viper said:

writes for the times apparently

 

 

You need to give it up on your crusade against the NYTimes and other MSM publications. He wrote a single guest editorial for the NYTimes a year and a half ago.

I've refrained so far in pointing out some of the extremely biased (some Islamophobic) Twitter sources you've been posting because that shit does not belong in this thread. Or maybe I could start posting shit that nutjobs who've appeared on Fox News and/or written editorials for the NY Post/WSJ (whom you have posted in this thread) have said about Palestinians/Arabs/Islam. 

Fuck, just a page or two ago, you included one that something along the lines of "even the NYTimes now admits Hamas is storing shit in tunnels" as if they wouldn't. 

You're always one to quickly complain about anyone politicizing Daily Texan threads, but you're fast becoming one of the worst culprits with these little off-hand, passive-aggressive comments. Your agenda here is apparent.

Stop it with this shit or take it to the media bias thread in the CR.

[Bevo 13468]

3 hours ago, bolverk said:

Much of the past several pages have been largely corrupted by American domestic squabbles with little swipes taken at younger generations, higher ed, the media, etc. All of that shit should go into the CR. But some choose to post over here rather than engage in any discussion over there, so they'll just make coy little, passive-aggressive statements here instead.

To Brisket's credit, he just don't a fuck and will Leeroy Jenkins his way into a political debate anytime, anywhere. I might disagree with his takes sometimes, but it's a more respectable approach than trying to be cute and indirect about it.

But to your point, I'd prefer actual news about what's going on in the war between Israel and Hamas in this thread. This is the one I read for on-the-ground circumstances.

I tried a few TV stations this morning, and it was pretty much the same - Very little war coverage - and a whole lot of commentary. The commentary was useless because I don't give a damn about the reporter's or station's hot takes which were similar to the last few pages of this thread. I agree with your final comment "But to your point, I'd prefer actual news about what's going on in the war between Israel and Hamas in this thread. This is the one I read for on-the-ground circumstances".

[atomheartbevo 89304]

So Putin apparently is calling for a full-fledged Palestinian state.  Just a few weeks after Ramzan Kadyrov offered to send Chechen TikTokkers to Israel.

What great timing for him.

And he's claiming that Israel and Ukraine's "problems" are the doing of the US, and that Russia is fighting the US in Ukraine, but that the US must be fought in Israel as well.    And he said the American view of the world is becoming the past and the US does not want to acknowledge this.  Says the guy who wants to get the Soviet Union back together 33 years after it fell apart.

 

[F250 28623]

37 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Just a few weeks after Ramzan Kadyrov offered to send Chechen TikTokkers to Israel.

Chechen TikTokkers is serious business.

 

[BrickHorn 18134]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

 

You need to give it up on your crusade against the NYTimes and other MSM publications. He wrote a single guest editorial for the NYTimes a year and a half ago.

I've refrained so far in pointing out some of the extremely biased (some Islamophobic) Twitter sources you've been posting because that shit does not belong in this thread. Or maybe I could start posting shit that nutjobs who've appeared on Fox News and/or written editorials for the NY Post/WSJ (whom you have posted in this thread) have said about Palestinians/Arabs/Islam. 

Fuck, just a page or two ago, you included one that something along the lines of "even the NYTimes now admits Hamas is storing shit in tunnels" as if they wouldn't. 

You're always one to quickly complain about anyone politicizing Daily Texan threads, but you're fast becoming one of the worst culprits with these little off-hand, passive-aggressive comments. Your agenda here is apparent.

Stop it with this shit or take it to the media bias thread in the CR.

[FartingMonk 3606]

I can't wait until China invades Taiwan.  I'm going to start beating Taiwanese in the middle of the street and blame them for things.

[Parliament 14086]

I'm saving my hate for Oklahoma.

 

[F250 28623]

51 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

I can't wait until China invades Taiwan.  I'm going to start beating Taiwanese in the middle of the street and blame them for things.

Isn't that what happened during Covid?

[Not that Bob 734]

I haven't been to mc Donald's or Starbucks in years but I'm going tomorrow. Fuck you mouse torturing dickhead.  

Edited October 31, 2023 by Not that Bob

[TKthunder2 4973]

1 hour ago, Not that Bob said:

I haven't been to mc Donald's or Starbucks in years but I'm going tomorrow. Fuck you mouse torchering dickhead.  

I appreciate your sentiment, but I will not be joining you. Starbucks is overpriced sugar milk masquerading as coffee and McDonald’s is essentially poison.

[InkaUtexas 25289]

Agree on Starbucks, but I will kill some McD's hash browns. 

[Schulz2.0 28710]

 

[Captainant 27250]

5 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

Honestly its surprising to hear that Israels elite sigint unit can't just like set up some SDR's and use transcription ML models and natural language processing to listen in. I always hear about how there's these bright young engineers starting innovative new companies coming out of 8200, I wonder if there's an element of brain drain from people wanting to get out and get rich

[RDCanecutter 26198]

6 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

They also don't take cash.

[Ted Lange 15975]

 

 

[MissingInAction 24746]

Hamas spray and pray dipshit gets sniped.

 

 

[kevwun 15572]

Popped his hat off like a cartoon.

[freyguy 4243]

1 hour ago, MissingInAction said:

Hamas spray and pray dipshit gets sniped.

 

 

 

[InkaUtexas 25289]

UAE chiming in, and it is interesting. 

 

[bolverk 29261]

"Southern command units, this is the commander.

We are striking against Hamas and the terrorist organizations in the Gaza strip.

Our only goal ـــ victory

No matter how long and no matter how hard the fighting will be, there is no other outcome than victory

We will fight with profession and strength, based on the principles of the Israeli defense forces that we were instilled in us and in their forefront ـــ Dedication to mission, and pursuit of victory.

We will fight in alleys, we will fight in tunnels, we will fight wherever necessary. We will eliminate the abominable enemy before whom we stand.

My brothers in arms; the residents of Be'eri, Sderot, Nir Oz, Kfar Aza, and the west Negev communities, and alongside them all the people of Israel, are watching us now.

Like me, they trust you and believe in you. You are the generation of victory.

This is the commander, move to achieve your missions, strike the enemy. Over and out."