Israel-Hamas war thread

[Schulz2.0 28,962]

7 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The Houthis really need to be gifted some more Hellfires. 
 

 

Japanese-owned per the latest reports.

 

[Viper 12,109]

This is a good point I hadn't considered

 

 

[Telegraph_it 3,358]

2 minutes ago, Viper said:

This is a good point I hadn't considered

 

 

So Shifa = Ben Taub? 

[DDD Dad 14,342]

14 hours ago, Viper said:

This is a good point I hadn't considered

 

 

I chuckled.

 

 

[Viper 12,109]

Broadcasting your piracy to the world is an interesting choice

seems like preventing piracy would be in everyone's interest, I wonder how this thing will be handled. 

 

 

additionally there were more attacks in Syria/Iraq

 

 

[Thetexashammer 1,062]

 

[Chopper 17,238]

Hiding a rocket manufacturing facility and weapons storage inside a Gaza mosque. But only because Hamas loves the Palestinian people so much.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/s1yzjryvp#autoplay

[Harrison Stafford 3,335]

Biden warns U.S. could sanction Israeli settlers who attack Palestinians.

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/19/west-bank-israel-settler-violence-travel-b

 

[Viper 12,109]

 

 

[Pescado_Rojo 19,425]

1 hour ago, Viper said:

 

 

Boop

[Viper 12,109]

 

 

Plus great news on a 5 day ceasefire and release of some hostages

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/21/deal-to-free-hostages-pause-fighting-between-israel-and-hamas-nears-announcement-00128239

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Deal to free hostages, pause fighting between Israel and Hamas nears announcement

The U.S.-brokered agreement could take effect as soon as Tuesday and would include the release of around 50 hostages by Hamas.

 

 

[Viper 12,109]

 

 

[Chopper 17,238]

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/ac-130-strike-iranian-backed-militants/
 

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A U.S. Air Force AC-130 gunship struck members of an Iranian-backed militia who had launched a missile attack on U.S. forces in Iraq on Nov. 21, resulting in enemy casualties, according to U.S. Central Command and the Pentagon. 

The strike occurred after the Iranian-backed militias launched “a close-range ballistic missile against U.S. and coalition forces at Al Asad Air Base in Iraq which resulted in several nonserious injuries and some minor damage to infrastructure,” deputy Pentagon press secretary Sabrina Singh told reporters in a briefing.

After the missile strike, the AC-130 “maintained visual confirmation of the individuals from the time of the launch to the time of engagement,” CENTCOM added in a statement. 

CENTCOM’s statement referred to “several enemy casualties,” while Singh said there were “some hostile fatalities.” Middle East analyst Phillip Smyth noted on social media that the militia is reporting one death from the strike.

 

 

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Unlike three previous airstrikes conducted by the U.S. against Iranian-backed militias in the region in the last month, this latest incident was not “pre-planned,” Singh noted. The AC-130 was overhead at the time of the missile attack and was able to respond “because they saw the militants, they were able to keep an eye on the movement of these militants as they moved into their vehicle,” she said. 

All the previous airstrikes were against militia facilities located in Syria, conducted by either F-15s or F-16s. The Pentagon has not disclosed whether they resulted in any enemy casualties. 

 

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Since Oct. 17, U.S. forces have been attacked by Iranian-backed militias approximately 66 times—32 times in Iraq, 34 times in Syria. The attacks come amid a wave of unrest in the region spurred by Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on Israel and the Israeli air and ground response in Gaza. Singh noted that there have been 62 injuries reported by U.S. troops, though that total did not include any from the latest Nov. 21 attack. 

The Pentagon has deployed a Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-missile battery to Saudi Arabia and Patriot surface-to-air missile systems to a number of Gulf states and Jordan. Short-range Avenger systems are also being deployed to protect troops.  

U.S. troops are in Iraq and Syria to advise and mentor local partners who are working to prevent a resurgence of the Islamic State group. Some 2,500 U.S. troops are in Iraq working with Iraqi forces, while 900 troops are in Syria. 

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89,735]

1 minute ago, Chopper said:

The strike occurred after the Iranian-backed militias launched “a close-range ballistic missile against U.S. and coalition forces at Al Asad Air Base in Iraq

We are edging closer and closer to Iran losing their missile factories, which would be a damned shame for Russia.

[Schulz2.0 28,962]

 

[Bevo 13,579]

12 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

 

So after the prisoner swap, I assume that Israel will continue to root out Hamas in Gaza and its leadership in Qatar. The question is whether Hamas will remain in power in Gaza. Israel says it won't allow it.

[Parliament 14,261]

Do they have Mossad hit squads who can get to them?

[InkaUtexas 26,000]

1 hour ago, Parliament said:

Do they have Mossad hit squads who can get to them?

Kafta Salesman out front should have told ya. 

[freyguy 4,278]

4 hours ago, Chopper said:

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/ac-130-strike-iranian-backed-militants/
 

 

 

Makes me think of the scene in Transformers where the AC130 & A10s fuck shit up.

[atomheartbevo 89,735]

US Navy is like "hey, don't forget us" (long twitter thread showing off everything they are doing)

Really liked this photo of the USS Normandy (more photos at the link below) 

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/8129704/uss-normandy-daily-operations

[InkaUtexas 26,000]

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Release of Hostages in Gaza

11/21/2023 11:50 PM EST

 

Antony J. Blinken, Secretary of State

The United States welcomes the deal to release 50 hostages, including American citizens, held by Hamas since its October 7 attack on Israel.  I cannot imagine the ordeal that each of these individuals has endured over the past few weeks, and I am thankful that they will be reunited with their loved ones soon.

Today’s outcome is the result of tireless diplomacy and relentless effort across the Department and broader United States government.  I appreciate the leadership and ongoing partnership of Egypt and Qatar in this work.  I also thank the government of Israel for supporting a humanitarian pause that will facilitate the transfer of hostages to safety and allow additional humanitarian assistance to reach Palestinian civilians in Gaza.

While this deal marks significant progress, we will not rest as long as Hamas continues to hold hostages in Gaza.  My highest priority is the safety and security of Americans overseas, and we will continue our efforts to secure the release of every hostage and their swift reunification with their families.

[956 Worldwide 34,719]

Here is a partial list of Israeli children to be released.  Child war hostages, let that sink in.  Striking how many of them have parents that will remain in captivity or who had parents murdered. 
 

 

[956 Worldwide 34,719]

I can’t read Hebrew but this journalist claims most of the “women and children” Hamas is getting back shot/stabbed people or are in terrorist groups. No ten month old babies or four year olds. 
 

 

[Brisketexan 105,160]

32 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Here is a partial list of Israeli children to be released.  Child war hostages, let that sink in.  Striking how many of them have parents that will remain in captivity or who had parents murdered. 
 

 

Huh.  What I find FASCINATING is how the pro-Palestinian voices have expended damn near zero of their voices calling for Hamas to.....release fucking INFANTS AND TODDLERS HELD FUCKING HOSTAGE.

If Hamas cares about the Palestinian people, then maybe, just maybe, they would release the hostages (being that continuing to hold Israelis hostages is a guaranteed casus belli bringing an Israeli military response.  The Palestinian outcry necessarily includes an element of "and how DARE you storm the area where Hamas is holding hostages to try to free those hostages!"

I'm sorry, and I am sickened by the level of the Israeli response, but the pushback is that there be NO RESPONSE.  There must be a CEASEFIRE (read: zero military action or response).  What the actual fuck?  What is a fucking nation supposed to do when a hostile military force attacks it, murders its citizens, and then flees with hundreds of citizens as hostages?  "Not a fucking ceasefire" is the #1 thing each and every nation state on earth would do in response.

I am all for a ceasefire.  A cessation of hostilities includes a release of all hostages held for hostile purposes.
 

[tx 3 putt 77,107]

4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Huh.  What I find FASCINATING is how the pro-Palestinian voices have expended damn near zero of their voices calling for Hamas to.....release fucking INFANTS AND TODDLERS HELD FUCKING HOSTAGE.

If Hamas cares about the Palestinian people, then maybe, just maybe, they would release the hostages (being that continuing to hold Israelis hostages is a guaranteed casus belli bringing an Israeli military response.  The Palestinian outcry necessarily includes an element of "and how DARE you storm the area where Hamas is holding hostages to try to free those hostages!"

I'm sorry, and I am sickened by the level of the Israeli response, but the pushback is that there be NO RESPONSE.  There must be a CEASEFIRE (read: zero military action or response).  What the actual fuck?  What is a fucking nation supposed to do when a hostile military force attacks it, murders its citizens, and then flees with hundreds of citizens as hostages?  "Not a fucking ceasefire" is the #1 thing each and every nation state on earth would do in response.

I am all for a ceasefire.  A cessation of hostilities includes a release of all hostages held for hostile purposes.
 

 

why is hamas allowed to keep children hostage ????

 

[Brisketexan 105,160]

 
why is hamas allowed to keep children hostage ????
 

Because…and this is super important….Israel is bad, and Palestinians should control all of that land “from the river to the sea.”
The absolute “skip right over all bad shit on the part of the Palestinian cause” approach is fucking maddening, and I say that as someone who very much wants there to be a Palestinian state and a path for Palestinians to live in the levant in peace, with safety and security.

[RDCanecutter 26,454]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

why is hamas allowed to keep children hostage ????

 

In the benighted provinces you can be forgiven for using archaic words like "children." Here at Harvard the preferred term is "Fun-Sized Oppressors." Do please take note, hmm.

[Viper 12,109]

A nice review of what's been found at al shifa hospital so far

 

 

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1727437047898722382.html

 

First reply to the thread is of course a "YouTube reporter" moving the goalposts wanting to know where the "command center" was?!? 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Viper

[Chopper 17,238]

This is a c&p of a longish thread from an Israeli poli sci professor who lays out the stark realities of the current situation quite well.

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In this long thread, I address moves in the past 2 weeks from actors pushing for resolution to the current Gaza war that will ensure its continuation. In particular, I will address Israel’s refusal to consider a permanent ceasefire, given other troubling statements from the current government.

Friday begins a 4 day truce, the initial release of 50 Israeli women and children Hamas hostages, 150 Palestinian women and teens held on terror charges in Israel, fuel & humanitarian aid to Gaza, and Israel halting drone flights over southern Gaza and limiting to 1000-1600 in the north.

Prior to this deal, there have been major protests worldwide demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza (which this truce is not), protests here in Israel and abroad demanding the release of Hamas’s 240 or so hostages kidnapped on 7 October, and disturbing rhetoric about next steps.

At the 11.11 Arab-Islamic Summit in Riyadh, Iranian Pres Raisi praised Hamas: “There is no other way but to resist Israel, we kiss the hands of Hamas for its resistance.” Turkish Pres Erdogan: “We cannot put Hamas resisters defending their homeland in the same category as the occupiers.”

Even as US President Joe Biden has argued that a revitalized Palestinian Authority should take control of Gaza, the PA has circulated documents claiming that Israeli helicopters bombed the Supernova music festival along the Gaza border on 7.10 to justify its war on Gaza.

Statements that have gotten much more attention have been from Israeli PM Netanyahu and others in his cabinet who have asserted that there should be indefinite Israeli military/security control of Gaza after the war, and have (publicly) refuted any notion of PA governance.

Beyond a refusal to countenance a ceasefire, MKs from the outwardly fascist Otzma Yehudit party and only slightly less extreme Religious Zionist party have denounced allowing humanitarian aid and fuel into Gaza and pushed post-war Israeli civilian resettlement of northern Gaza.

About a week ago, Avishay Ben-Sasson-Gordis wrote an excellent thread on Israeli opposition to a ceasefire, responding in part to an open letter that has been circulating by Political Scientists demanding a “ceasefire now” (CFN). It is excellent and well worth the read.

Many responses to Israeli opposition to CFN and calls for Israeli military control of Gaza have argued that these positions confirm what they have known all along, Israel is a fascist Apartheid state that is actively pursuing the extermination of the Palestinian people.

No one can convince them otherwise. This is a position they took before 7 October and it is a position they took on 8 October. Hamas’s atrocities in their rape, murder, kidnapping, and wanton destruction are treated, at best, as an unwelcome distraction from the true villain.

Others demand CFN given massive human suffering. Even if you don’t believe Hamas’s casualty estimates, 1000s of innocents have been killed, countless Gazans are homeless, and massive destruction has been wrought against Gaza’s already precarious civilian infrastructure.

From this standpoint, any opposition to a ceasefire is seemingly paramount to a war crime on its own. Israeli insistence that the war must continue even after the lull (not yet implemented) coupled with open calls for military occupation must therefore equal Israeli warmongering.

Taken in isolation, I accept and even empathize with this moral reasoning, even as my phone buzzes constantly with warnings about continued rocket fire from Gaza and from Hezbollah in the north (about 50 already today) and drone infiltration of Israeli air space.

This reasoning (any argument about the necessity, proportionality, or restraint of the IDF in Gaza and on the northern border aside) however ignores or trivializes that CFN, as formulated by its proponents, offers absolutely no constructive way forward.

It is in this context that Israeli military reoccupation of Gaza is gaining not popular support but public credibility. Facing two unthinkable options that would leave Israel insecure and without control over developments in Gaza, the third previously unthinkable option becomes plausible.

As I have argued previously, this policy would be would terrible and self-destructive. It would ensure that Gaza remain a space of constant violence with occupying forces and that West Bank unrest will further escalate to an intolerable degree, rendering any political solution impossible.

This is what Ben-Gvir and his Otzma Yehudit party (& Smotrich and the Religious Zionist party somewhat less so) are actively working toward: a situation in which Israeli-Palestinian violence becomes existentially threatening such that further draconian measures begin to appear necessary.

In sum, while an Israeli rejection of CFN makes a great deal of sense in terms of what is at stake and what the likely outcomes of such a policy would be, the policy choices that are being proposed in its stead will be similarly destructive.

 

 

[956 Worldwide 34,719]

3 hours ago, Viper said:

A nice review of what's been found at al shifa hospital so far

 

 

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1727437047898722382.html

 

First reply to the thread is of course a "YouTube reporter" moving the goalposts wanting to know where the "command center" was?!? 

The IDF made a PR error by referring to it as the main command center.  It’s clear that there was a significant Hamas presence and infrastructure there (closer to the graphic that Ana posted in his drive by than not), and it should have just been called a “significant” part of the infrastructure. 
 

The goalposts have been moving. Lots of laughable comments about how the hostages being dragged around by guys with weapons and cleavers were just there to get medical treatment, and some truly odd discourse about the appropriate number of RPGs to find inside a hospital. 
 

IMO, the international community has been embarrassing here and not because of Israeli support. The whole of Gaza receives all kinds of funding and support from international agencies and it’s clear that a lot of those resources went to covering up and supporting terror infrastructure. 

[Anastasis 23,477]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The IDF made a PR error by referring to it as the main command center.

PR for "PRopaganda"

 

 

[Viper 12,109]

4 hours ago, Anastasis said:

PR for "PRopaganda"

 

 

And? Israel has pointed out that Hamas expanded the tunnel system and I'm pretty sure it wasn't Israel what left ak47s and hostages' belongings in the tunnels. 

[Neonmoon 38,129]

You see by Israel building tunnels under the hospital to expand Hospitals operations 40 years ago, they basically gave Hamas a green light to use these tunnels to store weapons and plan attacks to kill Israelis. Wake up sheeple 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Neonmoon

[Viper 12,109]

This is the onion right?

 

 

[bolverk 29,693]

Temporary ceasefire seems to be holding for now. Let's hope they get as many hostages out as they can.

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Here’s the latest on the cease-fire.
Twelve Thai hostages were released from Gaza on Friday, Thailand’s prime minister said, the first people to be freed under a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas that appeared to be taking effect.

The four-day truce, if it holds, could be the longest pause in fighting in the seven-week war and would allow for the release of more hostages held in Gaza and Palestinian prisoners and detainees held in Israel.

By the afternoon, there had been no reports of fighting for several hours, and dozens of trucks carrying humanitarian aid had entered Gaza from Egypt, a spokesman for the border crossing, Wael Abu Omar, said by phone. Israel said that eight aid trucks contained fuel and cooking gas, a small but significant amount for a territory that has all but run out of fuel.

Both developments were signs that the cease-fire was firming up. Under the terms, a large increase in humanitarian aid is expected to enter Gaza, where roughly two-thirds of its 2.2 million people have been displaced by the war.

The deal, brokered by Qatar in weeks of talks, calls for Hamas to return 50 of the women and children taken hostage during its Oct. 7 attacks in Israel that set off the fighting, and for Israel to release 150 imprisoned Palestinian women and teenagers. The exchange would occur in phases across the four days of the cease-fire.

Here’s what to know:

• Thirteen hostages were to be released on Friday, according to Qatari officials, and the Palestinian Authority’s Commission for Prisoners’ Affairs said 39 Palestinians jailed in Israel, including 24 women and 15 teenage males, would be freed. Israel has said that it would extend the cease-fire by a day for every 10 additional hostages released by Hamas. Read more about the deal.
• Despite the truce, both sides have insisted that the war was not over. “Our hands will remain on the trigger,” Hamas said. Israeli forces pounded Gaza with airstrikes in the hours before the cease-fire was to begin.
• In Israel, family members of hostages were hopeful they would soon see their loved ones. Among the roughly 240 people abducted to Gaza is a girl turning 4 on Friday, whose parents were slain in the Hamas attacks.
• The announcement of the deal lifted the hopes of many Palestinians whose relatives are in Israeli jails. Among those expected to be freed on Friday were two women whose families in the West Bank were eagerly awaiting their return.
• Past cease-fires between Israel and Hamas have often not held. In 2014, there were nine truces during a 51-day conflict that resulted in more than 2,000 deaths before there was a lasting agreement to halt the fighting.

 

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On 11/22/2023 at 6:02 PM, tx 3 putt said:

 

why is hamas allowed to keep children hostage ????

 

Because they're a peace loving people who just want their own country and better infrastructure.  Duh.

[Armybrat 40,851]

On 11/22/2023 at 1:09 PM, Brisketexan said:

Huh.  What I find FASCINATING is how the pro-Palestinian voices have expended damn near zero of their voices calling for Hamas to.....release fucking INFANTS AND TODDLERS HELD FUCKING HOSTAGE.

If Hamas cares about the Palestinian people, then maybe, just maybe, they would release the hostages (being that continuing to hold Israelis hostages is a guaranteed casus belli bringing an Israeli military response.  The Palestinian outcry necessarily includes an element of "and how DARE you storm the area where Hamas is holding hostages to try to free those hostages!"

I'm sorry, and I am sickened by the level of the Israeli response, but the pushback is that there be NO RESPONSE.  There must be a CEASEFIRE (read: zero military action or response).  What the actual fuck?  What is a fucking nation supposed to do when a hostile military force attacks it, murders its citizens, and then flees with hundreds of citizens as hostages?  "Not a fucking ceasefire" is the #1 thing each and every nation state on earth would do in response.

I am all for a ceasefire.  A cessation of hostilities includes a release of all hostages held for hostile purposes.
 

Then go back in to kill as many Hamas mofos as they can, including assassinating the billionaire chickenshit leaders that live in luxury outside of Gaza.

[Anastasis 23,477]

On 11/22/2023 at 6:02 PM, tx 3 putt said:

 

why is hamas allowed to keep children hostage ????

 

Maybe they are morally confused after watching the IDF for years execute midnight raids to scoop up Palestinian children from their beds in Jerusalem and the West Bank for “administrative detention”, often to leverage their detention against their relatives. 

[Viper 12,109]

First hostages are on their way

 

 

[DDD Dad 14,342]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Maybe they are morally confused after watching the IDF for years execute midnight raids to scoop up Palestinian children from their beds in Jerusalem and the West Bank for “administrative detention”, often to leverage their detention against their relatives. 

Well that's certainly a take.

[Smax 3,800]

Then go back in to kill as many Hamas mofos as they can, including assassinating the billionaire chickenshit leaders that live in luxury outside of Gaza.

This irks me. Obviously, I have no idea what has been discussed in the negotiations, but we know who finances hamas. A day after these attack, we should have reached out to those assholes to let them know that we know who you are, where you and your family are. Hamas has 36 hours to release all US hostages or we will begin drone strikes all financiers and their families.

It's been 7 weeks? This is absurd

[MissingInAction 25,110]

51 minutes ago, Smax said:

This irks me. Obviously, I have no idea what has been discussed in the negotiations, but we know who finances hamas. A day after these attack, we should have reached out to those assholes to let them know that we know who you are, where you and your family are. Hamas has 36 hours to release all US hostages or we will begin drone strikes all financiers and their families.

It's been 7 weeks? This is absurd

Probably a Saudi influence in this fuckery.

[Anastasis 23,477]

2 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

Well that's certainly a take.

Taking children as hostages should be condemned no matter which terrorist organization is doing it.

[DDD Dad 14,342]

3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Taking children as hostages should be condemned no matter which terrorist organization is doing it.

Justifying hostage taking should also be condemned. Which you just did. 

[Anastasis 23,477]

15 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Justifying hostage taking should also be condemned. Which you just did. 

Not really. 

[Viper 12,109]

 

 

[Thetexashammer 1,062]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Not really. 

Is Israel engaged in extrajudicial detentions? I really hope not.

[Anastasis 23,477]

Just now, Thetexashammer said:

Is Israel engaged in extrajudicial detentions? I really hope not.

Hope in one hand, consume some reports from human rights orgs in the other and see which one fills up first. 

[Thetexashammer 1,062]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Hope in one hand, consume some reports from human rights orgs in the other and see which one fills up first. 

A couple weeks ago, someone mentioned that Human Rights Watch had this report at the top of their home page. The problem is, HRW is lying. These are valid military targets. There is no war crime. HRW's credibility is nonexistent, they likely appear to sympathize with Hamas.

Their lies are deliberate and transparent.

[Anastasis 23,477]

10 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

A couple weeks ago, someone mentioned that Human Rights Watch had this report at the top of their home page. The problem is, HRW is lying. These are valid military targets. There is no war crime. HRW's credibility is nonexistent, they likely appear to sympathize with Hamas.

Their lies are deliberate and transparent.

Cool. That doesn’t really have anything to do with the IDF snatching kids out of their beds in the middle of the night though.