Israel-Hamas war thread

[Frank Drebin 5654]

Cease firing when Hamas surrenders unconditionally.  Otherwise, nope.

[Viper 12101]

This could be a big deal, depending on how much control and influence these "officials" have or it may be too late for Israel to care 

 

I am somewhat confused by the uproar of the images if the mass surrenders and we all know how bad tiktok , but it looks like some IDF soldiers and Israelis are using it to reply (or as the younger people would say, "clap") back

 

[52-80 19147]

Can someone familiar with tweenage progressive politics explain to me why there are people in America blocking traffic on American roads demanding a ceasefire between 2 parties on the other side of the globe?

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89625]

29 minutes ago, Viper said:

This could be a big deal, depending on how much control and influence these "officials" have or it may be too late for Israel to care

 

Those "officials" maybe trying to stay alive.

[alincoln 2371]

38 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Can someone familiar with tweenage progressive politics explain to me why there are people in America blocking traffic on American roads demanding a ceasefire between 2 parties on the other side of the globe?

Protest partying and social media content opportunity.  

[Brisketexan 105057]

4 minutes ago, alincoln said:

Protest partying and social media content opportunity.  

Look....if one of those protester dudes is out there because he's trying to get with one of the protester chicks....I say we cut him some slack.  Game respect game.

[ChickenSandwich 9825]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Look....if one of those protester dudes is out there because he's trying to get with one of the protester chicks....I say we cut him some slack.  Game respect game.

 

[Bolero88 277]

57 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Can someone familiar with tweenage progressive politics explain to me why there are people in America blocking traffic on American roads demanding a ceasefire between 2 parties on the other side of the globe?

 

 

Would you care to explain to me why my tax dollars are going to fund Israel's destruction of Gaza and the deaths of 10s of thousands?

[Bevo 13560]

8 minutes ago, Bolero88 said:

Would you care to explain to me why my tax dollars are going to fund Israel's destruction of Gaza and the deaths of 10s of thousands?

Because our strategic partner and the only democracy the ME was attacked by a brutal organization that is hellbent on killing all Jews, removing Israel off the map, destroying America and killing as many Americans as it can.

[Viper 12101]

5 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Because our strategic partner and the only democracy the ME was attacked by a brutal organization that is hellbent on killing all Jews, removing Israel off the map, destroying America and killing as many Americans as it can.

honest question, is Iraq not counted as a democracy anymore?

[52-80 19147]

13 minutes ago, Bolero88 said:

Would you care to explain to me why my tax dollars are going to fund Israel's destruction of Gaza and the deaths of 10s of thousands?

If theyre against foreign aid that this country provides (ie your tax dollars), why arent they protesting the foreign aid directly?

[Bevo 13560]

10 minutes ago, Viper said:

honest question, is Iraq not counted as a democracy anymore?

 

 

https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/political-instability-iraq

 

Background 

Since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, Iraq has undergone a long period of instability, with armed groups like the self-proclaimed Islamic State taking advantage of the power vacuum left by the disbandment of the military and the ban on Saddam Hussein’s Baath party. In 2014, the Islamic State advanced into Iraq from Syria and took over parts of Anbar province, eventually expanding into the northern part of the country and capturing Mosul in June 2014. Former President Barack Obama authorized targeted air strikes against Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria, and the United States formed an international coalition of nearly eighty countries to counter the terrorist group. Regional forces—including as many as thirty thousand Iranian troops—joined the Iraqi army, local tribes, and the Kurdish Peshmerga in operations to retake territory from the Islamic State, recapturing Tikrit in April 2015, Ramadi in December 2015, Fallujah in June 2016, and Mosul in July 2017.

The Trump administration sharply escalated the U.S. presence in Iraq in early 2017 to bring a swift end to the Islamic State, and the Iraqi government declared victory over the group in December 2017. Since then, most foreign troops have withdrawn from Iraq, except for a small U.S. presence.

In late April 2018, the U.S. military officially disbanded the command overseeing the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq, declaring an end to major combat operations against the group. Roughly 2,500 U.S. troops remain in Iraq at the invitation of the Iraqi government as part of a mission to train, advise, and assist the Iraqi military in fighting domestic terrorism.

Underlying sectarian tensions in Iraq among Sunni and Shiite groups, as well as tensions between Kurdish groups in the north and the government in Baghdad, exacerbated the fight to dislodge the Islamic State. These tensions intensified after the U.S. invasion in 2003 and the fall of Saddam Hussein, now threatening the stability of the new Iraqi government as it looks to rebuild the country and prevent a resurgence of the Islamic State.

A coalition of parties led by Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr won a surprise victory in Iraq’s May 2018 parliamentary election. Their victory raised questions about continued Iranian influence in Baghdad, as al-Sadr’s Shiite bloc has historically remained at odds with Iranian-backed groups in Iraq. Following the 2021 election, which saw increased representation [PDF] for minority groups, the newly elected parliament could not form a coalition government, precipitating a political crisis.

The assassination attempt on Prime Minister Mustafa al-Khadhimi in November 2021 led to armed clashes between the Iraqi government and the Iran-backed militias accused of orchestrating the attack. Amid the political crisis, the entirety of al-Sadr’s political bloc resigned from parliament in a gamble aimed at pressuring the government to elect a president. The move largely backfired as al-Sadr’s bloc was quickly replaced, allowing the Shiite groups backed by Iran to assume a majority in the parliament. Al-Sadr retired from politics in August 2022, leaving control of the Iraqi government to his Iranian-backed rivals.

In October 2022, Abdul Latif Rashid was elected president, promising to return the country to normalcy. The premiership was ultimately handed to Mohammad Shia al-Sudani, a long-time ally of Iran. His pro-Iran government includes ministers with ties to several U.S.-designated terrorist organizations, including Kataib Hezbollah. However, al-Sudani has taken a measured approach by expressing a desire to keep U.S. forces in Iraq while continuing his predecessor’s “balance and openness” policy.

Six years after the war against the Islamic State, Iraq still faces significant challenges in its recovery. Over one million people remain internally displaced, 4.1 million people need humanitarian assistance, and reconstruction is projected to cost at least $88 billion. In addition to reintegrating liberated Sunni communities into the political system, the government has struggled to achieve the demobilization and integration of powerful Shiite militias, which formed during the fight against the Islamic State, into the Iraqi security forces. The government also faces ongoing tensions with Kurdish groups pressing for greater autonomy in the north following a failed independence referendum in October 2017.

Concerns

After leading an international coalition to regain territory taken by the Islamic State, the United States has an interest in preventing a resurgence of the militant group and supporting a stable government in Iraq. There remains a larger concern that the aftermath of the conflict and challenges of reconstruction and reintegration will lead to the breakup of Iraq and that sectarian tension will plague the region for years to come, possibly expanding into a proxy conflict among various international groups. Additionally, after losing control of territory in Iraq and Syria, the Islamic State has reverted to its insurgency roots and refocused on orchestrating a hit-and-run campaign. Despite its diminished presence, the Islamic State continues to plague Iraq. For example, it planted a bomb near the city of Kirkuk in December 2022 that targeted and killed nine federal police officers. In response, the United States announced that it would keep its troops in Iraq to fight the Islamic State.

Another area of concern is Iran’s increasing involvement in Iraq and its government, obstructing Iraqi relations with the United States and reintegration with other Arab countries, particularly the wealthy Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states.

Recent Developments

Since late 2022, Iraq has faced economic and infrastructural issues. In November, a gas cylinder explosion killed fifteen people in the northern city of Sulaimaniyah, and in October, a gas tanker explosion in Baghdad killed at least nine people. In January, al-Sudani replaced the Central Bank governor after the value of the Iraqi dinar hit new lows, and the previous governor essentially quit. To solve these critical issues, al-Sudani has implemented several measures, including approving a $152 billion budget meant to add public sector jobs and increase public salaries.

However, more recent developments illustrate Iraq’s persistent instability. In late March, the Iraqi government passed amendments that would increase the size of electoral districts, reducing opportunities for smaller parties and independent candidates to win seats in future elections. These amendments were supported by the Iran-backed Coordination Framework but proved to be controversial, sparking demonstrations and prompting several MPs to leave and postpone the session. Similarly, in late June 2023, over fifty MPs resigned from the local parliament in Iraq’s Kurdish region. They protested a court ruling by the Iraqi Federal Supreme Court that rejected their decision to delay regional elections. The ruling is another sign that Baghdad has largely reigned in the Kurdish region’s autonomy, having asserted its control over oil revenue and key infrastructure. Days later, thousands of Iraqi followers of a Shiite cleric protested in major Iraqi cities, criticizing the burning of a Quran during a demonstration in Sweden, demanding the Swedish ambassador’s expulsion from Iraq, and storming the Swedish embassy in Baghdad. These recent mobilizations showcase the ongoing capacity of al-Sadr to foster instability despite the suspension of his movement in April.

In August 2023, Iran-aligned groups killed Kurdish protestors in the disputed northern city of Kirkuk over the handover of a building to the Kurdish Democratic Party (KDP). Following days of deadly ethnic clashes, the Supreme Court in Baghdad halted Al-Sudani’s order to return the building to the KDP on September 1. The oil-rich province lies along the fault line between the Kurdish autonomous region and areas controlled by Iraq’s government. It has been the center of some of Iraq’s worst violence since the Islamic State. Meanwhile, Turkey has escalated its military attacks against the Kurdistan Workers Party (PPK) in northern Iraq, including a drone strike that killed seven members on August 24. In late August, Turkey called on Iraq to designate the PKK as a terrorist organization, citing the group’s threat to both Iraqi and Turkish security.

[RDCanecutter 26379]

2 hours ago, 52-80 said:

Can someone familiar with tweenage progressive politics explain to me why there are people in America blocking traffic on American roads demanding a ceasefire between 2 parties on the other side of the globe?

 

 

Because Darfur has been saved.

[InkaUtexas 25857]

39 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Because Darfur has been saved.

And all the kids taken by the Lords Resistance Army (remember Kony?) are free and attending universities in the US and EU.

[RPM 26315]

2 hours ago, Viper said:

honest question, is Iraq not counted as a democracy anymore?

It's an Islamic state.

[Armybrat 40822]

21 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Cease firing when Hamas surrenders unconditionally.  Otherwise, nope.

When all the Hamas leadership and commanders are dead as fuck.

[Armybrat 40822]

4 hours ago, 52-80 said:

Can someone familiar with tweenage progressive politics explain to me why there are people in America blocking traffic on American roads demanding a ceasefire between 2 parties on the other side of the globe?

 

 

Because they are either brain dead, poorly educated useful idiots…or goddamn terrorist supporters.

[52-80 19147]

6 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Because they are either brain dead, poorly educated useful idiots…or goddamn terrorist supporters.

Well, my cousin was on his way from Burbank to Torrance so he could firebomb a village in the Levant and they almost convinced him to stop. 

[Parliament 14237]

4 hours ago, 52-80 said:

Can someone familiar with tweenage progressive politics explain to me why there are people in America blocking traffic on American roads demanding a ceasefire between 2 parties on the other side of the globe?

 

 

OK Boomer

[Viper 12101]

I believe this was what the ambassador was talking about with fixing Palestinian education when the sky news interviewer accused her of wanting to send kids to communist reeducation camps.

 

link to the document https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/PA-Reports_-Updated-Selected-Examples_May-2021.pdf 

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Viper

[Bolero88 277]

2 hours ago, BeardIP said:

The same reason our tax dollars going to fund the defense of Ukraine and the deaths of 10's of thousands?

Geopolitical allies and strategy and it's in our best interest.

Fuck that. Nothing about Israel is in our best interest. 

[nineliveslost 2753]

7 minutes ago, Bolero88 said:

Fuck that. Nothing about Israel is in our best interest. 

[bolverk 29652]

Tragic

Israeli Troops Accidentally Kill Three Hostages

Israeli troops mistakenly shot and killed three Israeli hostages during combat with Hamas in northern Gaza on Friday, the Israeli military said. The shooting took place in Shejaiye, a densely populated community that Israeli officials have identified as a Hamas stronghold.

Israeli forces “mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as a threat,” the military said in a statement. “As a result, the troops fired toward them and they were killed.”

“During searches and checks in the area in which the incident occurred, a suspicion arose over the identities of the deceased,” it added. “Their bodies were transferred to Israeli territory for examination, after which it was confirmed that they were three Israeli hostages.”

The military identified the three as Yotam Haim and Alon Shamriz, who had been taken from Kibbutz Kfar Aza during the Hamas-led assault on Israel on Oct. 7; and Samer Talalka, who was kidnapped from Kibbutz Nir Am.

Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the chief spokesman for the Israeli military, expressed “deep sorrow” and said the military was investigating. “This is a sad and painful incident for all of us, and the I.D.F. bears responsibility for everything that happened,” he said, referring to the Israeli Defense Forces.

The incident occurred “in a combat zone in which the troops had engaged” with terrorists in recent days, including Friday, the Israeli said.

Soldiers had encountered what the military said were terrorists without guns and, according to Admiral Hagari, had been involved in situations “in which terrorists tried to deceive our troops and to lure them into a fire trap.

“A short time after the tragic incident,” Admiral Hagari said, a second engagement occurred with terrorists near the site of the incident.”

He promised “full transparency” and said that troops were given “lessons” for identifying hostages in the Gaza Strip in an attempt to prevent such mistakes.

The Hostages and Missing Families Forum, which represents those kidnapped on Oct. 7 and their relatives, issued a statements on Friday evening, saying it shared in the “profound grief" of the families.

Mr. Talalka was working at a chicken hatchery near Kibbutz Nir Am on Oct. 7 when he was abducted. He had spoke with his sister on the phone, telling her he was injured by terrorist gunfire, before the call was disconnected, according to the group’s spokeswoman, Liat Bell Sommer. He was “an avid motorcyclist who loved to ride around the countryside,” she said.

Mr. Talalka was from Hura, a Bedouin Arab town in southern Israel. He was one of several Bedouin hostages, members of a low-profile Israeli minority. At least 17 of the roughly 1,200 people who were killed in the attack on Oct. 7 were Bedouins.

Mr. Haim was a drummer who had been slated to perform at a “metal music festival” in Tel Aviv on Oct. 7, Ms. Sommer said.

Mr. Shamriz was a “lover of life” and basketball player and fan who had been accepted to college and was about to start a course of study in computer engineering, Ms. Sommer said.

The office of the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, released a statement calling the killings “an unbearable tragedy” and expressing empathy for the hostages’ families along with support for Israeli soldiers “who are devoted to the sacred mission of returning our hostages, even at the cost of their lives.”

“Even on this difficult evening,” the statement said, “we will bind up our wounds, learn the lessons and continue with a supreme effort to return all our hostages home safely.”

Benny Gantz, a member of Israel’s war cabinet, said in a statement on social media that his heart was broken. Addressing the three hostages’ families, he said, “The whole nation of Israel is crying with you.”

Families of hostages have been pressuring Mr. Netanyahu to prioritize the captives and “pay any price” for their release. Some marched last month from Tel Aviv to his office in Jerusalem to protest his handling of the situation, and protests outside his office have continued.

Government officials, including Defense Minister Yoav Gallant in comments this week, have argued that the intense fighting in Gaza will create the conditions for the hostages’ release. But pushback from those who disagree is bound to intensify after Israel’s admission that it had killed hostages in error.

On Saturday, the hostages’ relatives will address the “terrible disaster,” Ms. Sommer, from the family forum, said in statement, gathering at what is now known as Hostages Plaza in Tel Aviv.

Hostages released in deals with Hamas have thanked the protesters for keeping up the pressure on the Israeli government.

Mr. Netanyahu is also under pressure from one of Israel’s staunchest allies, the United States, to fight more surgically and end its ground invasion of Gaza. American officials have also been urging the Israeli government to resume the indirect negotiations with Hamas that led last month to a weeklong pause in the fighting, the release of more than 100 hostages and an increase in humanitarian aid entering Gaza.

[Neonmoon 38129]

On 12/14/2023 at 6:05 PM, Bolero88 said:

Fuck that. Nothing about Israel is in our best interest. 

This is dumber than the Chili’s argument 

[ChickenSandwich 9825]

[BLKNSTY 289]

Tragic
Israeli Troops Accidentally Kill Three Hostages

Israeli forces “mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as a threat,” the military said in a statement.

Israeli forces “mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as Palestinian civilians”

fixed it for you.

[nineliveslost 2753]

33 minutes ago, BLKNSTY said:

 

Israeli forces “mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as Palestinian civilians”

fixed it for you.

 

[BLKNSTY 289]

Because our strategic partner and the only democracy the ME was attacked by a brutal organization that is hellbent on killing all Jews, removing Israel off the map, destroying America and killing as many Americans as it can.

We have multiple US bases in Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Saudi, UAE, Oman, Turkey Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait and Djibouti. 20+ bases, 100k+ troops.

Please tell me one thing of value, besides Jewish milkers, your so-called only democracy in the ME provides the US that these bases do not? Hell id argue that given the presence we have in those monarchies, a democracy in that area is a LIABILITY - CASE IN POINT BENJAMIN FUCKING NETANYAHU.

Netanyahu’s desire to delay justice for his stupidity, ignorance, and inexcusable failures as a head of state + Israel’s inability to play the long game/cruel bloodlust and desire for textbook genocide will cause us more foreign policy issues in the long-term than the 1MM+ Iraqi’s/Afghanis we’ve killed in the past 25 years. We have 10,000+ illegals crossing the border everyday and Oct. 7th proved our border is still 1,000x more secure than the most heavily US-subsidized militarized/surveilled border in the world outside of NK/SK.

A quote from last nights episode of Fargo really fucking hit home for me.

**Lorraine Lyon**: "So you want freedom without responsibility? Son there's only one person on Earth who gets that deal."

**Sheriff Roy Tillman**: "The President?"

**Lorraine Lyon**: "A Baby"

It’s not even the fucking tail wagging the dog, our foreign policy is leashed to a fucking fat little whiny baby that we continue to infantilize and coddle. A fat little whiny baby has caused more internal division in the US than BLM. We are going to get dragged into a fucking shooting war with Yemen because Israel wants all of the benefits of being a sovereign nation - but none of the responsibilities.

[BLKNSTY 289]

“mistakenly identified as unarmed combatants”

or

“mistakenly identified as human shields”

take your pick, I’m not particularly choosy.

[Bevo 13560]

2 hours ago, BLKNSTY said:

We have 10,000+ illegals crossing the border everyday and Oct. 7th proved our border is still 1,000x more secure than the most heavily US-subsidized militarized/surveilled border in the world outside of NK/SK.

A couple of questions for you - Obviously you have some excitement about the success of Hamas. Why? Are they on your land?

[BLKNSTY 289]

A couple of questions for you - Obviously you have some excitement about the success of Hamas. Why? Are they on your land?

fuck Hamas. they are a malignant disease that Israel thought they could control so they fed it and fed it and fed it to the point it became this gruesome unnatural sentient creature that does nothing but consume. it is a cancer to everything it touches and it thrives particularly on the pain of the Palestinian people.

Qatar is making the same mistake but that’s a story for another day.

[Bevo 13560]

4 hours ago, BLKNSTY said:

fuck Hamas. they are a malignant disease that Israel thought they could control so they fed it and fed it and fed it to the point it became this gruesome unnatural sentient creature that does nothing but consume. it is a cancer to everything it touches and it thrives particularly on the pain of the Palestinian people.

Qatar is making the same mistake but that’s a story for another day.

Okay so Hamas sucks. Why did you sound elated over the success of Hamas? Do Jews suck too or do you just want them off Palestinian lands?

[DDD Dad 14325]

Nvm

Edited December 16, 2023 by DDD Dad

[Anastasis 23458]

15 hours ago, bolverk said:

Tragic

Israeli Troops Accidentally Kill Three Hostages

Israeli troops mistakenly shot and killed three Israeli hostages during combat with Hamas in northern Gaza on Friday, the Israeli military said. The shooting took place in Shejaiye, a densely populated community that Israeli officials have identified as a Hamas stronghold.

Israeli forces “mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as a threat,” the military said in a statement. “As a result, the troops fired toward them and they were killed.”

 

 

11 hours ago, BLKNSTY said:

Israeli forces “mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as Palestinian civilians”

fixed it for you.

 

 

NYT report seems to have left this part out...they were unarmed and waving a white flag on a stick at the time. 

The reality is that this is representative of the de facto rules of engagement implemented by the IDF. Just caught up some Sons of the Light insteads of the Sons of Darkness this time.    

Haaretz

According to the investigation, a soldier who was stationed on one of the upper floors of a building in the area has identified three figures who held a long stick that had a white fabric attached to it.

The report states that, for some reason, the soldier felt threatened and opened fire on the group. Two hostages were hit and fell to the ground, and the third managed to escape into a nearby building.

At the same time, the soldier reported to his commanding officer that he had encountered who he had believed were Hamas members. The commander then arrived at the scene, while another IDF squad that was nearby followed the third hostage, who managed to escape into a hiding place inside the building.

The report says that as the soldiers approached the building, they began to hear shouts in Hebrew, asking for their help. The Israeli hostage who was hiding inside the building came out and ran inside again. According to the soldiers, they believed that it was a Hamas member who was trying to "pull them" into a trap. They proceeded to enter the building, where they killed the hostage.

Edited December 16, 2023 by Anastasis

[BLKNSTY 289]

Okay so Hamas sucks. Why did you sound elated over the success of Hamas? Do Jews suck too or do you just want them off Palestinian lands?

never would have thought Netanyahu moonlights as an idiot on surlyhorns. anyways I gotta go watch Texas vs LSU at the Halal Guys Showcase (can I say halal on here or are you going to accuse me of being a OBL apologist?) so it’s time to pregame. 🫡

[Bevo 13560]

6 minutes ago, BLKNSTY said:

never would have thought Netanyahu moonlights as an idiot on surlyhorns. anyways I gotta go watch Texas vs LSU at the Halal Guys Showcase (can I say halal on here or are you going to accuse me of being a OBL apologist?) so it’s time to pregame. 🫡

 

 

 

You still didn't tell us why you were elated about Hamas' success.

[956 Worldwide 34697]

Whatever the fuck we are doing, it’s not working. 

 

[Schulz2.0 28951]

16 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Whatever the fuck we are doing, it’s not working. 

 

We've shown for years that we don't want that responsibility or to pay for it.

[mchookem 16321]

IDF seems a bit trigger happy.

[Viper 12101]

3 minutes ago, mchookem said:

IDF seems a bit trigger happy.

The hostage shooting was a huge mistake

 

 

However it is an impossibly difficult situation when the enemy soldiers are all dressed as civilians

Or doctors

 

 

After 20 attacks on shipping this is hopefully finally happening

 

 

[Brian Fantana 6678]

Nice of them to surrender half naked with unloaded firearms!

[Anastasis 23458]

Surly does a really bang up job of vetting obvious propaganda.  

[atomheartbevo 89625]

23 hours ago, BLKNSTY said:

 We are going to get dragged into a fucking shooting war with Yemen because Israel wants all of the benefits of being a sovereign nation - but none of the responsibilities.

We are going to get dragged into a fucking shooting war with Yemen because the Houthi are going after ships that have nothing to do with Israel or Gaza.

Threaten our national security or economic interests, and occasionally we take notice and do something.

[Parliament 14237]

I find myself putting far too many people in this thread on ignore.

[InkaUtexas 25857]

2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Nice of them to surrender half naked with unloaded firearms!

How do you know they are unloaded? Ever had people surrender to you? Or just talking shit?

[RDCanecutter 26379]

8 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

How do you know they are unloaded? Ever had people surrender to you? Or just talking shit?

WhyNotBoth.gif

[JesusSweatDuck 17781]

12 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Nice of them to surrender half naked with unloaded firearms!

They make them strip down to protect against suicide bombers. Obviously they'll want you to drop your mag and clear the gun before surrendering as well.

[Brian Fantana 6678]

10 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

How do you know they are unloaded? Ever had people surrender to you? Or just talking shit?

Both. I will not elaborate.

[BLKNSTY 289]

We are going to get dragged into a fucking shooting war with Yemen because the Houthi are going after ships that have nothing to do with Israel or Gaza.
Threaten our national security or economic interests, and occasionally we take notice and do something.

really? our economic interests?
are these US ships? no. are they crewed by US citizens? nope
from an economic perspective id estimate that less than 5% of the cargo that goes through the Suez Canal is destined for the United States. this is a uniquely European/Chinese problem and I think its about damn time they step up to the plate here.
economically speaking, which do you think would have more of an economic impact on the US - we enter into a shooting war with Yemen and they immediately lob missiles/drones at the most prolific oil fields in the world (which our Patriot systems have shown to be…ineffective at protecting) and takes our eye off the ball in Ukraine or a 1% chance that 1% of the cargo destined for the US is indefinitely delayed.
Israel is 70 days, hundreds of war crimes, collective punishment, textbook genocide, and billions of bombs into a war with Hamas and those mfs are still shooting rockets into Israel. anyway you slice it - it ain’t fuckin’ workin and as long as Netanyahu is at the reins.

[BLKNSTY 289]

 
 

 
You still didn't tell us why you were elated about Hamas' success.

a passionate response isn’t the same as elation. but it’s clear from your line of questioning that you’re more into pushing your narrative that Israel should do whatever they WANT to do. Not NEED, SHOULD, or HAVE to do.