Israel-Hamas war thread

[Pato del Muerto 52,489]

I understand shaggy bevo is mostly pics of deconstructed burgers 

[DDD Dad 14,332]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I understand shaggy bevo is mostly pics of deconstructed burgers 

 

[General Specific 3,256]

Would the Russian soldiers in Ukraine be a better example of a deconstructed hamburger? Meat Cube and all!

[Schulz2.0 28,951]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna135603

Israel is recruiting Indians for work due to Israeli reservists continuing to be called up and foreign workers from Thailand, Nepal, and the Philippines leaving after the October 7th attacks.

[Parliament 14,255]

Are these Indians muslim terrorists? Seems like an upgrade.

[Viper 12,108]

Knife attack in what I assume is a west bank border

(warning somewhat graphic)

 

[bolverk 29,660]

12 minutes ago, Viper said:

Knife attack in what I assume is a west bank border

(warning somewhat graphic)

 

I'm not sure this type of post is helpful. I mean, I could respond by posting lots of other videos and stories of IDF soldiers and West Bank settlers killing innocent Palestinian women and children who did nothing wrong, but then we'd quickly get into a back-and-forth shitfest of finger-pointing and name-calling. 

[Viper 12,108]

6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I'm not sure this type of post is helpful. I mean, I could respond by posting lots of other videos and stories of IDF soldiers and West Bank settlers killing innocent Palestinian women and children who did nothing wrong, but then we'd quickly get into a back-and-forth shitfest of finger-pointing and name-calling. 

good point, but I would think it's important to counter misinformation that gets spread around so fast, especially given how uninformed people are on both sides.

 

In actual news it sounds like Hamas is denying they've turned down the ceasefire deal and seem to still be negociating

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-785095

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Hamas denies rejection of hostage, ceasefire deal, says will deliver answer soon

According to the report, the terror organization is set to demand an increase in the number of Palestinian terrorists released from Israeli prisons.

 

Edited February 5 by Viper

[Hard Times 302]

41 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I'm not sure this type of post is helpful. I mean, I could respond by posting lots of other videos and stories of IDF soldiers and West Bank settlers killing innocent Palestinian women and children who did nothing wrong, but then we'd quickly get into a back-and-forth shitfest of finger-pointing and name-calling. 

Both sides have done a lot of bad things. I don't know why they can't put their differences aside, get in a circle, hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

[Chopper 17,230]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

lots of other videos and stories of IDF soldiers and West Bank settlers killing innocent Palestinian women and children

Definition of whataboutism.

Also a wag that you didn't watch any of the Oct 7 videos.

[bolverk 29,660]

4 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Definition of whataboutism.

Also a wag that you didn't watch any of the Oct 7 videos.

I have indeed and will be happy to discuss the topic of back-and-forth violence by all parties in the CR where it's already been thoroughly covered there. Let's not fuck up this news thread.

[RomaVicta 29,905]

2 hours ago, Viper said:

Knife attack in what I assume is a west bank border

(warning somewhat graphic)

 

 

2 hours ago, bolverk said:

I'm not sure this type of post is helpful. I mean, I could respond by posting lots of other videos and stories of IDF soldiers and West Bank settlers killing innocent Palestinian women and children who did nothing wrong, but then we'd quickly get into a back-and-forth shitfest of finger-pointing and name-calling. 

I will illustrate the point and assymetry:

The boy got what he deserved. It is of note that he attacked a soldier rather than a civilian. He's also bound to have known that he was going to be living the last few moments of his life. He bravely and stupidly invited the bullet that killed him.

The woman's shrill worry about misrepresentation of the story seems largely irrelevant. Bombing civilians and killing thousands of them and displacing tens of thousands of them has not been distorted. We can rely upon our eyes. Anyone watching the knife attack can make concusions from that video.

Edited February 5 by RomaVicta

[Chopper 17,230]

23 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I have indeed and will be happy to discuss the topic of back-and-forth violence by all parties in the CR where it's already been thoroughly covered there. Let's not fuck up this news thread.

That's fine. I very rarely click on that forum. However, that doesn't negate that you're dismissing something that's clearly news by describing something you deem to be off-topic for this thread. And here comes romavicta who has apparently escaped CR.

[bolverk 29,660]

3 minutes ago, Chopper said:

That's fine. I very rarely click on that forum. However, that doesn't negate that you're dismissing something that's clearly news by describing something you deem to be off-topic for this thread. And here comes romavicta who has apparently escaped CR.

And here we go sliding down the path.

I am in no way dismissing what the kid did, but we all know this is a touchy topic when there's another place to discuss the tit-for-tat, especially in the West Bank -- which I should remind you is not part of the Gaza War. Would you be happy if I started posting individual acts of IDF and settler violence on innocent West Bank Palestinian civilians who are not involved in the conflict in this thread? 

Then, we could discuss how what happened from October 7th to the present is part of an ongoing conflict that started years and years ago, assigning blame to the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the Arabs' disagreement with it, the Zionist movement, the UK, the UN, neighboring Arab states invasion of a newly declared Israel, the Nakba of 1948, the illegal occupation and settlement of land, Palestinian terrorism, etc.

It would turn into a total shitshow. Just leave it alone, or if you'd like to have a more open and thorough discussion, then there's a better place for that. Everything is covered over there.

[RomaVicta 29,905]

22 minutes ago, Chopper said:

That's fine. I very rarely click on that forum. However, that doesn't negate that you're dismissing something that's clearly news by describing something you deem to be off-topic for this thread. And here comes romavicta who has apparently escaped CR.

My mere appearance causes a reach for the pearls?

[UT_OB1 2,218]

@RomaVicta fuck you. The KID did not get what he deserved. He deserved to be raised in a way that allowed him to be a fucking kid, not brainwashed to attack a soldier with a knife. That’s what they all deserve, but we have shit heads saying demonizing the other side so everyone grows up thinking they are killing subhumans that don’t warrant another tonight. 

[Chopper 17,230]

18 minutes ago, bolverk said:

when there's another place to discuss the tit-for-tat

But discussing tit-for-tat was you, wasn't it? You could've left it alone. Or perhaps I misunderstand and you're arguing that the release of a video capturing a kid trying to lure a soldier into being unprepared and then stab the soldier, only to wind up getting gunned down, isn't news?

Edited February 5 by Chopper
better description of the vid

[RomaVicta 29,905]

5 minutes ago, UT_OB1 said:

@RomaVicta fuck you. The KID did not get what he deserved. He deserved to be raised in a way that allowed him to be a fucking kid, not brainwashed to attack a soldier with a knife. That’s what they all deserve, but we have shit heads saying demonizing the other side so everyone grows up thinking they are killing subhumans that don’t warrant another tonight. 

Illuminating. You think someone attacking another person with a lethal weapon doesn't deserve the consequence?

Thanks for the kind greeting.

Edited February 5 by RomaVicta

[Parliament 14,255]

3 hours ago, Viper said:

Knife attack in what I assume is a west bank border

(warning somewhat graphic)

 

He was a good kid trying to turn his life around.

[bolverk 29,660]

8 minutes ago, Chopper said:

But discussing tit-for-tat was you, wasn't it? You could've left it alone. Or perhaps I misunderstand and you're arguing that a video capturing a kid trying to sneak attack and stab a soldier, and then getting shot, isn't news?

Blacklab has been clear about the parameters of the discussion in this thread, with many posts about ancillary events not directly tied to the conflict in Gaza being deleted. Again, this was in the West Bank. Believe me, I've held back and self-censored multiple times throughout this entire conflict about shit happening on the West Bank, including acts of terrorism by both sides.

Yes, it is news. But in the spirit of how this thread has been moderated to date, I decided to say something.

Edit: And the continued discussion we are now having is likely why it's been moderated in the way that it has.

Edited February 5 by bolverk

[Foosters 17,850]

9 minutes ago, Chopper said:

But discussing tit-for-tat was you, wasn't it? You could've left it alone. Or perhaps I misunderstand and you're arguing that the release of a video capturing a kid trying to lure a soldier into being unprepared and then stab the soldier, only to wind up getting gunned down, isn't news?

The point of that post was not to spread "news." It was to show that Palestinian descriptions of Israeli violence are propaganda. Take a look at that woman's last 10 "tweets" and come back and continue to argue with a straight face that she is a purveyor of "news."

While we're on the subject, who commissioned you to police this thread?

[Chopper 17,230]

4 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Blacklab has been clear about the parameters of the discussion in this thread, with many posts about ancillary events not directly tied to the conflict in Gaza being deleted. Again, this was in the West Bank. Believe me, I've held back and self-censored multiple times throughout this entire conflict about shit happening on the West Bank, including acts of terrorism by both sides.

Yes, it is news. But in the spirit of how this thread has been moderated to date, I decided to say something.

Got it. My apologies. I missed seeing your earlier post due to the escaped mental patient posting just after it.

[bolverk 29,660]

3 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Got it. My apologies. I missed seeing your earlier post due to the escaped mental patient posting just after it.

No worries. It's a hypercharged topic where most folks have some very strong feelings. I think the mods are just trying to keep this particular thread, ironically about war, a civil discussion so as not to start a new Surly jihad because, lord knows, we've had our fair share.

[Chopper 17,230]

1 minute ago, Foosters said:

Take a look at that woman's last 10 "tweets"

Unregistered twitter users aren't allowed that sort of access so you'll have to find someone who enjoys posting and/or browsing a white supremacist website to engage in that sort of fuckery. I'm wholly reliant upon my belief and understanding that @viper is a credible and reliable poster on this here website. If he's not, or if it's not news and/or not accurate then obviously the tale turns and y'all should turn your fire, so to speak, in another direction. As for "policing," you've got it entirely assbackwards.

[bolverk 29,660]

6 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Unregistered twitter users aren't allowed that sort of access so you'll have to find someone who enjoys posting and/or browsing a white supremacist website to engage in that sort of fuckery. I'm wholly reliant upon my belief and understanding that @viper is a credible and reliable poster on this here website. If he's not, or if it's not news and/or not accurate then obviously the tale turns and y'all should turn your fire, so to speak, in another direction. As for "policing," you've got it entirely assbackwards.

I'll freely admit I was acting as the thread popo.

[Foosters 17,850]

3 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Unregistered twitter users aren't allowed that sort of access so you'll have to find someone who enjoys posting and/or browsing a white supremacist website to engage in that sort of fuckery. I'm wholly reliant upon my belief and understanding that @viper is a credible and reliable poster on this here website. If he's not, or if it's not news and/or not accurate then obviously the tale turns and y'all should turn your fire, so to speak, in another direction. As for "policing," you've got it entirely assbackwards.

Well, I was able to access it without an account. Appreciate the implication, though. 

You're right, maybe policing isn't the best term. Perhaps "hissy fit" better describes your reactions to the criticism and RomaVicta making an appearance.

[UT_OB1 2,218]

38 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Illuminating. You think someone attacking another person with a lethal weapon doesn't deserve the consequence?

Thanks for the kind greeting.

No. You are making shit up now. Go troll some where else you piece of shit

[Chopper 17,230]

14 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Well, I was able to access it without an account. Appreciate the implication, though. 

You're right, maybe policing isn't the best term. Perhaps "hissy fit" better describes your reactions to the criticism and RomaVicta making an appearance.

What are you doing in this thread now, btw? Or what do you think you're doing?

I just double-checked and without a twitter account I'm unable to see someone's tweets in their timeline in descending chronological order. Also, without an account, I'm unable to see replies to any tweet, and further I'm unable to see tweet threads, as well. (And therefore aside from it being a site for white supremacists, it's senseless to click on a link to twitter, at least imo.) It wasn't an implication - it was a mere statement of fact. You felt I aimed it at you which is rather telling.

My mention of romavicta was because @bolverkhad just mentioned a desire to avoid CR'ing up the thread as the reason for his thread policing. It was a description of reality and a nod to a small irony. Fact and reality...I'm sensing a couple issues you seem to have problems with.

 

Edited February 5 by Chopper

[Foosters 17,850]

 

14 minutes ago, Chopper said:

What are you doing in this thread now, btw? Or what do you think you're doing?

Explaining that the account has a political agenda and pushes propaganda. Given that you were unaware, I hope it helped.

Edited February 5 by Foosters

[wildcat09 29,349]

The actual tweets that he did post were pretty political and you don't really need to click through to her twitter account to have a pretty good guess as to the rest of her content.

[FartingMonk 3,606]

So we aren't allowed to discuss the West Bank in a Gaza thread?  Are we saying Dallas isn't Fort Worth now too?

[RomaVicta 29,905]

2 hours ago, UT_OB1 said:

No. You are making shit up now. Go troll some where else you piece of shit

You're beginning to hurt my feelings. Please be nicer to me.

[RomaVicta 29,905]

2 hours ago, Chopper said:

My mention of romavicta was because @bolverkhad just mentioned a desire to avoid CR'ing up the thread as the reason for his thread policing.

Where is the dreaded CR in my original post? It's not political. It's not partisan.

Try not seeing what you're looking for. 

[atomheartbevo 89,648]

4 hours ago, bolverk said:

Yes, it is news.

It’s actually an extremely clear example of how just a simple edit (cutting out the attack on the soldier) can change the appearance of an event, and we don’t normally get such a clear example where we see the manipulation and misinformation campaign in near real-time.  

If you had the tools, you could trawl Twitter for the edited video and easily find a shitload of bots and foreign agents.  You could also see what a misinformation campaign looks like as it happens.

[MagicSoccerSpray 1,732]

18 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

What is the saying? FAFO?

New satellite imagery analysis conducted at two US universities suggests up to 61% of Gaza's buildings have been damaged or destroyed since October. 

 

Neat! Technology is so cool.

[bolverk 29,660]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

It’s actually an extremely clear example of how just a simple edit (cutting out the attack on the soldier) can change the appearance of an event, and we don’t normally get such a clear example where we see the manipulation and misinformation campaign in near real-time.  

If you had the tools, you could trawl Twitter for the edited video and easily find a shitload of bots and foreign agents.  You could also see what a misinformation campaign looks like as it happens.

As you know, I'm 100% in favor of calling out misinformation and have done so at least twice on this thread and multiple times elsewhere on this site, and the proliferation of it is one of many reasons I ditched Twitter.

[statsman 5,457]

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-wants-u-n-agency-it-links-to-oct-7-attack-scrapped-but-not-yet-6c99d331?st=7x5g3lahhak4ysi&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

[statsman 5,457]

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-privately-estimates-as-many-as-50-hostages-could-be-dead-a98a7feb?st=ycfjtoqtyok8xz5&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

[bolverk 29,660]

IDF is getting ready to bring the fight in what amounts to a tent city full of displaced people makes it sound like it's going to get even uglier. 

 

Displaced Gazans wonder where to go as Israel vows to keep pushing south.

Palestinians sheltering in crowded tent cities along the border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt were fearful on Tuesday after a senior Israeli minister reiterated that Israel’s ground invasion would extend to Rafah, the southernmost city in the enclave where hundreds of thousands of displaced people have ended up.

The statement by Defense Minister Yoav Gallant has left Palestinians — many of whom are exhausted from relocating multiple times and sleeping in tents in cold and rainy weather — uncertain about where to seek safety. It was at least the second time in recent days that Mr. Gallant vowed to make such an advance.

“We’re terrified,” said Rajab al-Sindawi, a 48-year-old secondhand clothing salesman from Gaza City. “We’ve been running away from death, moving from place to place, but now we’re at the border. Where should we go?”

Mr. al-Sindawi, his wife and their seven children arrived in Rafah in early January after moving several times in search of safety.

While the army considers Rafah its next operational target, the security establishment needs to complete more planning before sending ground forces into the area, said an Israeli official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to communicate with the media.

Entering Rafah will be “extremely complicated,” the official said, noting that security officials were taking into account Egyptian sensitivities about Israeli forces operating near the border, as well as the enormous civilian population.

The al-Sindawis have been living in a makeshift structure of loose plastic draped over wooden beams on a sidewalk in the Tel al-Sultan neighborhood of Rafah. While they have tried to make their encampment more livable, adding a table to prepare food, it has been a challenge to keep the space clean, especially with the mud from recent rainfall.

Mr. al-Sindawi, whose left leg is partly paralyzed, said he and his family had only two mattress pads and six blankets for bedding.

Over the past day, Israeli forces have hit structures across Gaza, including in the vicinity of the Nasser Medical Complex in the southern city of Khan Younis, the second-largest hospital in the territory. The Israeli army said its forces were continuing to fight militants in western Khan Younis. It also said it conducted an airstrike that killed an Islamic Jihad fighter in the central Gaza city of Deir al Balah who it said had participated in the Hamas-led attacks on Israel on Oct. 7.

More than 100 people were killed in the previous 24 hours, the Gazan health ministry said Tuesday morning.

Speaking at a news conference on Monday, Mr. Gallant said Israeli ground forces would invade places that they still had not reached in central and southern Gaza, including Rafah, which he labeled “the last stronghold remaining in Hamas’s hands.”

“Every terrorist hiding in Rafah should know that their end will be like those in Khan Younis, Gaza City and every other place in the Gaza Strip: surrender or death,” Mr. Gallant said.

The comments, which came as Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken was in the region to press for a cease-fire, were in line with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s stance that Israel would continue fighting Hamas in Gaza until “complete victory.”

With the ground invasion having steadily pushed Gazans farther and farther south, Rafah’s population is believed to have roughly quintupled since the start of the war, according to the United Nations. Egypt has rejected the idea of opening its border to allow large numbers of the displaced to take temporary refuge on its territory.

Sana al-Karabiti, 34, originally from Gaza City, said the possibility of ground troops entering Rafah was bringing back harrowing memories of when Israeli tanks pulled into her neighborhood early in the war.

“I can feel my hair turning gray,” said Ms. al-Karabiti, a pharmacist who has been huddling in a tent in the al-Salam neighborhood of Rafah. “I keep asking myself what I’ll do if they reach where I am.”

A small number of people in Rafah were already dismantling their tents, packing their bags and fleeing to central Gaza, but Mr. al-Sindawi was unsure whether it would be safer there.

“We’re thinking about going to Nuseirat, but we’re also hearing in the news about bombings in Nuseirat,” he said, referring to an area in central Gaza where his family members live. “We have no idea what to do.”

Other displaced Palestinians were frustrated that Israeli officials had told them Rafah would be safe — but are now talking about entering the city.

“Why did they tell us to come here?” said Mukhlis al-Masri, 32, who has been staying at a United Nations school in Rafah. “This is so unjust.”

[bolverk 29,660]

Blinken says a lot of work remains on cease-fire and hostage talks as war in Gaza enters 5th month

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Wednesday that “a lot of work” remains to bridge the gap between Israel and Hamas on terms for a new cease-fire and hostage-release deal after the militant group put forward conditions that run counter to Israel’s war goals.

Hamas laid out a detailed three-phase plan to unfold over 4 1/2 months, responding to a proposal drawn up by the United States, Israel, Qatar and Egypt. The plan stipulates that all hostages would be released in exchange for hundreds of Palestinians imprisoned by Israel, including senior militants, and an end to the war.

Israel has made destroying Hamas’ governing and military abilities one of its wartime objectives, and the proposal would effectively leave Hamas in power in Gaza and allow it to rebuild its military capabilities. President Joe Biden said Hamas’ demands are “a little over the top” but that negotiations will continue. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with Blinken, and the two discussed the latest efforts to free the hostages. Both men were scheduled to hold separate news conferences later Wednesday.

The deadliest round of fighting in the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has killed over 27,000 Palestinians, leveled entire neighborhoods, driven the vast majority of Gaza’s population from their homes and pushed a quarter of the population to starvation.

Iran-backed militant groups across the region have conducted attacks, mostly on U.S. and Israeli targets, in solidarity with the Palestinians, drawing reprisals as the risk of a wider conflict grows.

Israel remains deeply shaken by Hamas’ Oct 7 attack, in which militants burst through the country’s vaunted defenses and rampaged across southern Israel, killing some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and abducting some 250, around half of whom remain in captivity in Gaza.

Netanyahu says the war, now in its fifth month, will continue until “total victory” over Hamas and the return of all the remaining hostages.

Blinken, who is on his fifth visit to the region since the war broke out, is trying to advance the cease-fire talks while pushing for a larger postwar settlement in which Saudi Arabia would normalize relations with Israel in return for a “clear, credible, time-bound path to the establishment of a Palestinian state.”

But the increasingly unpopular Netanyahu is opposed to Palestinian statehood, and his hawkish governing coalition could collapse if he is seen as making too many concessions.

“There’s a lot of work to be done, but we are very much focused on doing that work,” Blinken told Israel’s ceremonial president, Isaac Herzog.

MISERY DEEPENS IN DEVASTATED GAZA
There is little talk of grand diplomatic bargains in Gaza, where Palestinians yearn for an end to fighting that has upended every aspect of their lives.

“We pray to God that it stops,” said Ghazi Abu Issa, who fled his home and sought shelter in the central town of Deir al-Balah. “There is no water, electricity, food or bathrooms.” Those living in tents have been drenched by winter rains and flooding. “We have been humiliated,” he said.

New mothers struggle to get baby formula and diapers, which can only be bought at vastly inflated prices if they can be found at all. Some have resorted to feeding solid food to babies younger than 6 months old despite the health risks it poses.

The Palestinian death toll from four months of war has reached 27,707, according to the Health Ministry in the Hamas-run territory. That includes 123 bodies brought to hospitals in just the last 24 hours, it said Wednesday. At least 11,000 wounded people need to be urgently evacuated from Gaza, it said.

The ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants in its figures but says most of the dead have been women and children.

Israel has ordered Palestinians to evacuate areas that make up two-thirds of the tiny coastal territory. Most of the displaced are packed into the southern town of Rafah near the border with Egypt, where many are living in squalid tent camps and overflowing U.N.-run shelters.

Hamas has continued to put up stiff resistance across the territory, and its police force has returned to the streets in places where Israeli troops have pulled back. Hamas is still holding over 130 hostages, but around 30 of them are believed to be dead, with the vast majority killed on Oct. 7.

HAMAS SPELLS OUT DEMANDS FOR HOSTAGE DEAL
Hamas’ response to the cease-fire proposal was published in Lebanon’s Al-Akhbar newspaper, which is close to the powerful Hezbollah militant group.

A Hamas official and two Egyptian officials confirmed its authenticity. A fourth official familiar with the talks later clarified the sequencing of the releases. All spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief media on the negotiations.

In the first 45-day phase, Hamas would release all remaining women and children, as well as older and sick men, in exchange for an unspecified number of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel. Israel would also withdraw from populated areas, cease aerial operations, allow far more aid to enter and permit Palestinians to return to their homes, including in devastated northern Gaza.

The second phase, to be negotiated during the first, would include the release of all remaining hostages, mostly soldiers, in exchange for all Palestinian detainees over the age of 50, including senior militants. Israel would release an additional 1,500 prisoners, 500 of whom would be specified by Hamas, and complete its withdrawal from Gaza.

In the third phase, the sides would exchange the remains of hostages and prisoners.

Netanyahu has said he will not secure a deal at any cost, signaling he would not agree to the release of senior militants.

ISRAELIS AGONIZE OVER FATE OF CAPTIVES
Israelis are intensely focused on the plight of the hostages, with family members and the wider public demanding a deal with Hamas, fearful that time is running out. Israeli forces have only rescued one hostage, while Hamas says several were killed in Israeli airstrikes and failed rescue missions.

More than 100 hostages, mostly women and children, were freed during a weeklong cease-fire in November in exchange for the release of 240 Palestinians imprisoned by Israel.

Thousands of Israelis have taken part in weekly protests calling for the release of the hostages and demanding new elections. But Netanyahu is beholden to far-right coalition allies who have threatened to bring down the government if he concedes too much in the negotiations.

That could spell the end of Netanyahu’s long political career and expose him to prosecution over long-standing corruption allegations.

[DDD Dad 14,332]

<Sigh>

This thread is terribly depressing.  

 

[Schulz2.0 28,951]

 

 

[MagicSoccerSpray 1,732]

5 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

 

 

Not sure I'd be referencing Malcolm Nance on anything

[Brian Fantana 6,685]

1 hour ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Not sure I'd be referencing Malcolm Nance on anything

I suddenly feel the need to ask where you were on Jan 6th, 2021

But seriously, I'm not sure what his point is, even if it's true. Is he saying Israel really sucks at killing Hamas because they've killed far more civilians than Hamas members, so they have to wage full-scale war against the whole of the population of Gaza in order to hope they knock out that 1% of the population?

[Anastasis 23,469]

Twitter rots brains. 

[statsman 5,457]

Hidden deep below the headquarters of the United Nations’ aid agency for Palestinians in Gaza City is a Hamas complex that Israel says served as an important communications center for the Islamist militant group
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-military-compound-found-beneath-u-n-agency-headquarters-in-gaza-7e29c758?st=rzza1usv4q74mb8&reflink=share_mobilewebshare

[statsman 5,457]

Yeah, it’s kind of a screwed up operation when the people in charge of getting aid to the Palestinian refugees are also wanting to kill Jews. 

[nineliveslost 2,753]

1 hour ago, statsman said:

Hidden deep below the headquarters of the United Nations’ aid agency for Palestinians in Gaza City is a Hamas complex that Israel says served as an important communications center for the Islamist militant group
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-military-compound-found-beneath-u-n-agency-headquarters-in-gaza-7e29c758?st=rzza1usv4q74mb8&reflink=share_mobilewebshare

Just fuck. So many webs and lies in the world. And yes, I know the US has its fingers in a lot, but every country has the stink of deceit on them. I am feeling almost 100% the world needs a reset button. 

[Chopper 17,230]

Shocker.

 

[Chopper 17,230]

3 hours ago, Poester said:

If they need 32 year olds, they’re in big trouble. 

The cryptobitch sock is back. Go fuck yourself.

See this guy. How old do you think he is?

Edited February 15 by Chopper