Israel-Hamas war thread

[956 Worldwide 34705]

Thinking about how an obsession with categorizing people as “white” and “not white” and talking about things like “common European heritage” or “Judeo-Christian civilization” was once the realm of the worst race scientists, religious cranks, and reactionaries but now these concepts have been adopted whole cloth by huge chunks of the left so that Ashenkazi Jews and Israel can be placed within them. This shit is doing a number on some brains. 

[Hank_Hill 18796]

You said “European isn’t a thing” , not white European. Of course you’re going to catch shit for that.

[Incredulity 11657]

I’ve got a feeling, “my history is unassailable” is going to be big around here.  Big like, “pm Derka” but not as big as South Austin’s mother’s vagina. 

[F250 28764]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

I’ve got a feeling, “my history is unassailable” is going to be big around here.  Big like, “pm Derka” but not as big as South Austin’s mother’s vagina. 

7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Thinking about how an obsession with categorizing people as “white” and “not white” and talking about things like “common European heritage” or “Judeo-Christian civilization” was once the realm of the worst race scientists, religious cranks, and reactionaries but now these concepts have been adopted whole cloth by huge chunks of the left so that Ashenkazi Jews and Israel can be placed within them. This shit is doing a number on some brains. 

You're a weird dude.

[Hank_Hill 18796]

I think the only person who has brought up white vs not white is him. I also like to have imaginary arguments.

[Incredulity 11657]

1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

I also like to have imaginary arguments.

Well, this is kind of motto worthy.

[956 Worldwide 34705]

On 5/28/2024 at 9:30 PM, F250 said:

Your understanding of the topic is rooted in ignorance.

The discussion was on the current conflict which is a modern conflict and as Anastasis pointed out, it's a conflict that originated with the migration of Europeans to Palestine.

The Ashkenazi emerged in Europe during the middle ages, Yiddish is some kind of German dialect, they are white Europeans, and imported European culture to Palestine. These are not the ancient Israelites from biblical times. Like every other place Europeans settled that had an existing population, conflict between the settlers and locals occurred.

 

11 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

I think the only person who has brought up white vs not white is him. I also like to have imaginary arguments.

Literally the first post I quoted establishes “white Europeans” as the relevant category for this discussion. 

[956 Worldwide 34705]

36 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

You said “European isn’t a thing” , not white European. Of course you’re going to catch shit for that.

You can begin talking about a shared conception of what it means to be “a European” as part of the post-War integration project that’s still ongoing and far from consolidated. 
 

Prior to that the term is helpful only as a very broad geographic indicator, every bit as precise and useful as calling someone “African” or “Asian” (so not really helpful). 

[F250 28764]

8 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

 

Literally the first post I quoted establishes “white Europeans” as the relevant category for this discussion. 

You have continously ignored the discussion and still continue to beat a strawman position that nobody was arguing. I will refrain from repeating the discussion again because you are likely to just label me an anti-colonial progressive racist than argue about Europeans not existing and colonialism being a fiction.

As I said, you are a weird dude.

 

[956 Worldwide 34705]

17 minutes ago, F250 said:

You have continously ignored the discussion and still continue to beat a strawman position that nobody was arguing. I will refrain from repeating the discussion again because you are likely to just label me an anti-colonial progressive racist than argue about Europeans not existing and colonialism being a fiction.

As I said, you are a weird dude.

 

Pot, meet kettle.  I’ve said that “European” as an identity or common heritage is mostly meaningless.  I’ve said that trying to understand the establishment of Israel as substantively similar to the establishment of New Spain, the English settlement of Australia, the American expansion West, or Yermak’s subduing of Siberia is also not super precise or helpful with as many differences as similarities. You have been tilting at a complete strawman for a few pages. 

[F250 28764]

When this guy just keeps trying to muddy the waters.

[closetohumping 17436]

17 minutes ago, F250 said:

When this guy just keeps trying to muddy the waters.

If you're American before you enter the restroom and American after you leave the restroom, what are you when you're in the restroom?

 

You're a peein.....You're a peein

Edited May 29 by closetohumping

[Willfully Horn 8002]

8 hours ago, Anastasis said:

The mtDNA (matrilineal lineage) is european origin.  None of this shit really matters until people start making silly arguments about 20th century zionism being about a "return to their roots" after 5k years in exile. That is all fantasy shit. 

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543

Abstract

The origins of Ashkenazi Jews remain highly controversial. Like Judaism, mitochondrial DNA is passed along the maternal line. Its variation in the Ashkenazim is highly distinctive, with four major and numerous minor founders. However, due to their rarity in the general population, these founders have been difficult to trace to a source. Here we show that all four major founders, ~40% of Ashkenazi mtDNA variation, have ancestry in prehistoric Europe, rather than the Near East or Caucasus. Furthermore, most of the remaining minor founders share a similar deep European ancestry. Thus the great majority of Ashkenazi maternal lineages were not brought from the Levant, as commonly supposed, nor recruited in the Caucasus, as sometimes suggested, but assimilated within Europe. These results point to a significant role for the conversion of women in the formation of Ashkenazi communities, and provide the foundation for a detailed reconstruction of Ashkenazi genealogical history.

Unsurprisingly, there are other studies with different conclusions.

Here’s one study’s conclusion:

These results support the view that the Jewish populations largely share a common Middle Eastern ancestry and that over their history they have undergone varying degrees of admixture with non-Jewish populations of European descent.

 

https://bmcgenomdata.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2156-10-80#:~:text=These results support the view,Jewish populations of European descent.

[Willfully Horn 8002]

Here’s another study documenting genetic markers from the Far East among the Askenazi. Attributed to the influence and opportunity of the Silk Road.
 

https://eprints.hud.ac.uk/id/eprint/23327/1/richardsgenetic.pdf

[Brian Fantana 6682]

1 hour ago, F250 said:

When this guy just keeps trying to muddy the waters.

Anything to distract from the latest slaughter, I guess. All pretense on that front was summarily dropped after some token outrage about the WCK killings.

[PRONG HORN 3141]

2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Anything to distract from the latest slaughter, I guess.

 

 

 

[Rex Kramer 1334]

6 hours ago, F250 said:

the Ashenkazi migrated from Europe and are not the biblical Israelites.

 

Jesus fucking Christ. You’re back on Ashkenazis being blue eyed Aryans. I mean, you REALLY want this to be true, don’t you?

[Rex Kramer 1334]

5 hours ago, Incredulity said:

I’ve got a feeling, “my history is unassailable” is going to be big around here.  Big like, “pm Derka” but not as big as South Austin’s mother’s vagina. 

It was a great line. Who used it first?

[Incredulity 11657]

7 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

It was a great line. Who used it first?

Dr. Beeper

[Howlin wolf 133]

5 hours ago, Incredulity said:

 

 

 

[Hank_Hill 18796]

25 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

 

Woof

[Anastasis 23464]

People that put their academic or professional degrees in their twitter handle are absolute psychopaths. 

[Hank_Hill 18796]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

People that put their academic or professional degrees in their twitter handle are absolute psychopaths. 

No shit. I’m a doctor, a lot of my friends are doctors. We would give eachother endless shit for doing this. Also, none of us should be seen as a primary news source regarding anything.

[PRONG HORN 3141]

9 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

 

Woof

 

 

You're mad because he quoted CNN and linked CNN articles?

 

 

[Hank_Hill 18796]

3 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

You're mad because he quoted CNN and linked CNN articles?

 

 

I’m certainly not “mad” about anything regarding Avi Bitterman, MDs existence. But that is one of the more cringe twitter bios I’ve ever seen.

[Howlin wolf 133]

9 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

No shit. I’m a doctor, a lot of my friends are doctors. We would give eachother endless shit for doing this. Also, none of us should be seen as a primary news source regarding anything.

No doubt.

Outside of people trying to directly be influencers, by far the most likely to do this would be plastic surgeons. 

[PRONG HORN 3141]

3 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

I’m certainly not “mad” about anything regarding Avi Bitterman, MDs existence. But that is one of the more cringe twitter bios I’ve ever seen.

 

 

 Oh yeah, if it was real it would be total cringe, but one man's cringe is another mans chuckle.  BTW I had some genocide flavored Starbucks today.  It tastes like baby heads.  

 

 

 

[Anastasis 23464]

4 minutes ago, Howlin wolf said:

No doubt.

Outside of people trying to directly be influencers, by far the most likely to do this would be plastic surgeons. 

Head shrinkers imo. RIP triplehorn. 

[Hank_Hill 18796]

6 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

 Oh yeah, if it was real it would be total cringe, but one man's cringe is another mans chuckle.  BTW I had some genocide flavored Starbucks today.  It tastes like baby heads.  

 

 

 

Actually, trying to satirize any of this makes it worse. Also, you’re a piece of shit. But we knew that.

[PRONG HORN 3141]

2 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Actually, trying to satirize any of this makes it worse. Also, you’re a piece of shit. But we knew that.

 

 

Isn't most of your shtick satire?  You don't like jokes now?  

 

 

[bolverk 29658]

Reactions to this article.

1. I'm not sure how Gazans can hold up another seven months.
2. If cross-border tunnels were such a concern, why didn't Israel seal them off first before systematically bulldozing everything from the NE to the SW.
3. There's still no publicly stated post-war plan.

All three of these give a hint to what the plan really is.

 

Gaza Offensive to Last at Least to Year’s End, Israeli Official Says
The assessment, at odds with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s assertion that the country is “on the brink of victory,” came as Israel claimed control of a key buffer strip along Egypt’s border.

Israel’s national security adviser said Wednesday that he expected military operations in Gaza to continue through at least the end of the year, appearing to dismiss the idea that the war could come to an end after the military offensive against Hamas in Rafah.

“We expect another seven months of combat in order to shore up our achievement and realize what we define as the destruction of Hamas and Islamic Jihad’s military and governing capabilities,” Tzachi Hanegbi, the national security adviser, said in a radio interview with Kan, the Israeli public broadcaster.

The Israeli military also said Wednesday that it had seized “operational control” over a buffer strip along the southern edge of Gaza to prevent cross-border smuggling with Egypt that would allow Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups to rearm. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said repeatedly that controlling the corridor is critical for Israeli security in postwar Gaza.

Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the Israeli military spokesman, said the zone was “Hamas’s oxygen tube” and had been used by the Palestinian armed group for “smuggling munitions into Gazan territory on a regular basis.” He said that Hamas had also built tunnels near the Egyptian border, calculating that Israel would not dare strike so close to Egyptian territory.

In recent months, Israeli defense officials have told the public to expect a protracted campaign in Gaza, although one that would progress in phases toward lower-intensity fighting.

Still, Mr. Hanegbi’s assessment of at least another seven months of military operations appeared to be at odds with earlier projections by Mr. Netanyahu, who said in April that the country was “on the brink of victory” in its war against Hamas.

cont'd:

Spoiler

On Tuesday, the Israeli military said it was deploying an undisclosed number of additional troops in Rafah, where soldiers are engaged in close-quarters fighting with Hamas. Israeli officials have described the operations there as “limited and localized,” but satellite images of troop movements and reports from residents of increasing bombardments suggest a more significant operation.

Israel faces rising international pressure to wind down its campaign and reach a cease-fire deal with Hamas that would include the release of hostages held in Gaza. The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court has requested arrest warrants for Mr. Netanyahu and Israel’s defense minister; the World Court has ordered the country to rein in its offensive in Rafah; and the Biden administration has expressed frustration with the lack of a clear Israeli plan for postwar Gaza.

Speaking on a visit to Moldova on Wednesday, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken urged Israel to come forward with a postwar vision for Gaza.

Without a plan, “Hamas will be left in charge, which is unacceptable,” Mr. Blinken said. “Or if not, we’ll have chaos, lawlessness and a vacuum.”

The outcry over the humanitarian crisis and death toll in Gaza has only sharpened in recent days, after an Israeli bombardment on Sunday — which sparked a conflagration in an area where displaced Palestinians were sheltering — killed at least 45 people in western Rafah, according to the Gaza Health Ministry. The Israeli military said the airstrike had targeted two Hamas commanders and that it was looking into what could have caused the blaze.

Overall, 36,000 Palestinians have been killed since the Hamas-led surprise attack on Israel on Oct. 7, according to Gazan health officials. About 1,200 people, mostly civilians, were killed in Israel during the attack, according to the Israeli authorities, who also said the Palestinian militants took around 250 people back to Gaza as hostages.

The toll on civilians in and around Rafah has been enormous. More than a million Gazans have fled the city in the face of the onslaught, according to the United Nations.

Aid workers say the offensive has strained medical and humanitarian services to the breaking point, with only one hospital still functioning and several aid operations forced to decamp to other parts of the Gaza Strip.

The health care crisis in the city has been compounded by the closure of emergency clinics and other services amid continued clashes and strikes that have killed dozens of civilians.

Among the aid operations that have shuttered this week are a field hospital run by the Palestinian Red Crescent, a clinic supported by Doctors Without Borders and kitchens run by World Central Kitchen, which restarted operations in late April, only weeks after seven of its workers were killed in an Israeli strike that the military admitted was a “grave mistake.”

“As Israeli attacks intensify on Rafah, the unpredictable trickle of aid into Gaza has created a mirage of improved access, while the humanitarian response is in reality on the verge of collapse,” 19 aid groups said in a joint statement on Tuesday.

Israel has called the Rafah operation essential to take out Hamas forces arrayed in the city as well as to secure the border with Egypt.

An Israeli military official, who briefed reporters Wednesday on condition of anonymity to comply with military protocol, said that troops had identified at least 20 tunnels running from Gaza into Egypt, some of them only recently discovered.

But in briefing reporters later on Wednesday night, Admiral Hagari stopped short of claiming that the tunnels crossed the border.

“I can’t say now that all of these tunnels cross into Egypt,” he said. “We’ll inspect that, pass along the intelligence” to Egypt. The tunnel shafts in Gaza “are located in proximity to the border with Egypt, including in buildings and homes,” he added. “We’ll investigate and take care of each of those shafts.”

After the Israeli announcement, Egypt’s state-run Al-Qahera News channel quoted an unnamed senior official saying “there is no truth” to claims of tunnels under the border.

“These lies reflect the magnitude of the crisis facing the Israeli government,” the official said, adding, “Israel continues its attempts to export lies about on-the-ground conditions for its forces in Rafah in order to obscure its military failure and to find an escape for its political crisis.”

Israel’s 1979 peace treaty with Egypt tightly regulated how many troops either country could place in a series of zones — including the Philadelphi Corridor — in an attempt to create a buffer between the two sides.

Egypt has previously warned that an Israeli occupation of the border corridor would pose a “serious threat to Egyptian-Israeli relations.” On Monday, at least one Egyptian soldier was killed in a shooting incident with Israeli forces near the Rafah crossing; both sides have said they are investigating the matter.

Israeli troops are not present everywhere in the Philadelphi Corridor, the Israeli military official said, but they now can effectively cut off Hamas’s ability to move through tunnels under and near the border. During the operation, Israeli troops destroyed a tunnel network that ran for nearly a mile underground in eastern Rafah, Admiral Hagari said.

Egypt’s government has disputed that cross-border tunnels are a problem, saying that its own forces had eliminated them in recent years.

A limited number of Israeli forces have also deployed in the area of Tel al-Sultan, in western Rafah, the official said. That is the deepest advance into the city of Rafah confirmed by Israel since its ground offensive there began in early May.

Egypt and Israel have traded blame over who is responsible for the continued closure of the Rafah crossing, a key conduit for bringing aid into Gaza and allowing the sick and wounded to leave. Israeli troops captured the crossing overnight on May 7 and Israeli, Egyptian and Palestinian officials have been unable to strike a deal to resume operations there.

 

[PRONG HORN 3141]

6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Gaza Offensive to Last at Least to Year’s End, Israeli Official Says

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On Tuesday, the Israeli military said it was deploying an undisclosed number of additional troops in Rafah, where soldiers are engaged in close-quarters fighting with Hamas. Israeli officials have described the operations there as “limited and localized,” but satellite images of troop movements and reports from residents of increasing bombardments suggest a more significant operation.

Israel faces rising international pressure to wind down its campaign and reach a cease-fire deal with Hamas that would include the release of hostages held in Gaza. The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court has requested arrest warrants for Mr. Netanyahu and Israel’s defense minister; the World Court has ordered the country to rein in its offensive in Rafah; and the Biden administration has expressed frustration with the lack of a clear Israeli plan for postwar Gaza.

Speaking on a visit to Moldova on Wednesday, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken urged Israel to come forward with a postwar vision for Gaza.

Without a plan, “Hamas will be left in charge, which is unacceptable,” Mr. Blinken said. “Or if not, we’ll have chaos, lawlessness and a vacuum.”

The outcry over the humanitarian crisis and death toll in Gaza has only sharpened in recent days, after an Israeli bombardment on Sunday — which sparked a conflagration in an area where displaced Palestinians were sheltering — killed at least 45 people in western Rafah, according to the Gaza Health Ministry. The Israeli military said the airstrike had targeted two Hamas commanders and that it was looking into what could have caused the blaze.

Overall, 36,000 Palestinians have been killed since the Hamas-led surprise attack on Israel on Oct. 7, according to Gazan health officials. About 1,200 people, mostly civilians, were killed in Israel during the attack, according to the Israeli authorities, who also said the Palestinian militants took around 250 people back to Gaza as hostages.

The toll on civilians in and around Rafah has been enormous. More than a million Gazans have fled the city in the face of the onslaught, according to the United Nations.

Aid workers say the offensive has strained medical and humanitarian services to the breaking point, with only one hospital still functioning and several aid operations forced to decamp to other parts of the Gaza Strip.

The health care crisis in the city has been compounded by the closure of emergency clinics and other services amid continued clashes and strikes that have killed dozens of civilians.

Among the aid operations that have shuttered this week are a field hospital run by the Palestinian Red Crescent, a clinic supported by Doctors Without Borders and kitchens run by World Central Kitchen, which restarted operations in late April, only weeks after seven of its workers were killed in an Israeli strike that the military admitted was a “grave mistake.”

“As Israeli attacks intensify on Rafah, the unpredictable trickle of aid into Gaza has created a mirage of improved access, while the humanitarian response is in reality on the verge of collapse,” 19 aid groups said in a joint statement on Tuesday.

Israel has called the Rafah operation essential to take out Hamas forces arrayed in the city as well as to secure the border with Egypt.

An Israeli military official, who briefed reporters Wednesday on condition of anonymity to comply with military protocol, said that troops had identified at least 20 tunnels running from Gaza into Egypt, some of them only recently discovered.

But in briefing reporters later on Wednesday night, Admiral Hagari stopped short of claiming that the tunnels crossed the border.

“I can’t say now that all of these tunnels cross into Egypt,” he said. “We’ll inspect that, pass along the intelligence” to Egypt. The tunnel shafts in Gaza “are located in proximity to the border with Egypt, including in buildings and homes,” he added. “We’ll investigate and take care of each of those shafts.”

After the Israeli announcement, Egypt’s state-run Al-Qahera News channel quoted an unnamed senior official saying “there is no truth” to claims of tunnels under the border.

“These lies reflect the magnitude of the crisis facing the Israeli government,” the official said, adding, “Israel continues its attempts to export lies about on-the-ground conditions for its forces in Rafah in order to obscure its military failure and to find an escape for its political crisis.”

Israel’s 1979 peace treaty with Egypt tightly regulated how many troops either country could place in a series of zones — including the Philadelphi Corridor — in an attempt to create a buffer between the two sides.

Egypt has previously warned that an Israeli occupation of the border corridor would pose a “serious threat to Egyptian-Israeli relations.” On Monday, at least one Egyptian soldier was killed in a shooting incident with Israeli forces near the Rafah crossing; both sides have said they are investigating the matter.

Israeli troops are not present everywhere in the Philadelphi Corridor, the Israeli military official said, but they now can effectively cut off Hamas’s ability to move through tunnels under and near the border. During the operation, Israeli troops destroyed a tunnel network that ran for nearly a mile underground in eastern Rafah, Admiral Hagari said.

Egypt’s government has disputed that cross-border tunnels are a problem, saying that its own forces had eliminated them in recent years.

A limited number of Israeli forces have also deployed in the area of Tel al-Sultan, in western Rafah, the official said. That is the deepest advance into the city of Rafah confirmed by Israel since its ground offensive there began in early May.

Egypt and Israel have traded blame over who is responsible for the continued closure of the Rafah crossing, a key conduit for bringing aid into Gaza and allowing the sick and wounded to leave. Israeli troops captured the crossing overnight on May 7 and Israeli, Egyptian and Palestinian officials have been unable to strike a deal to resume operations there.

 

 

 

 

Good.  Gaza needs an enema.  They need to find all the tunnels etc.  

 

 

[F250 28764]

1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

Jesus fucking Christ. You’re back on Ashkenazis being blue eyed Aryans. I mean, you REALLY want this to be true, don’t you?

Rex is back.

[InkaUtexas 25875]

6 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

I think the only person who has brought up white vs not white is him. I also like to have imaginary arguments.

Wait a minute, I thought that was Bobby Hill.

[Rex Kramer 1334]

1 hour ago, F250 said:

Rex is back.

Please, more of your narrative. Euro Jews are too Jew-y to ever be really from the Middle East. That about cover it?

[Rex Kramer 1334]

2 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

Isn't most of your shtick satire?  You don't like jokes now?  

 

 

Hank laughs AT you. He only laughs WITH the anti-Semitic jokes. He’s over at some Gaza protest yucking it up with Fantana and bolverk. 

[Brian Fantana 6682]

[Hank_Hill 18796]

4 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

He only laughs WITH the anti-Semitic jokes. 

Show your work cunt

[F250 28764]

12 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Please, more of your narrative. Euro Jews are too Jew-y to ever be really from the Middle East. That about cover it?

Seriously, this is inappropriate. There isn't a need to use antisemitic slurs in this thread.

[Rex Kramer 1334]

11 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Show your work cunt

Easily riled vagine. 

3 hours ago, F250 said:

Seriously, this is inappropriate. There isn't a need to use antisemitic slurs in this thread.

I suspect not (though there was no slur at all) - not when you and your band of gypsies are so antisemitic in tone. 

[YGIFS 19449]

5 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Easily riled vagine. 

I suspect not (though there was no slur at all) - not when you and your band of gypsies are so antisemitic in tone. 

Not sure if you meant to post it not, but kudos on "gypsies" and "Antisemitic" in the same holocaust thread.  Also, sorry for your loss today with regard to your messiah in court.  You're smart though, you'll bounce back.  

[Brian Fantana 6682]

Damn he's really hitting all the neo-Nazi notes today

[Hank_Hill 18796]

45 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Easily riled vagine. 

“You laugh at anti semitic jokes”

”Show proof bitch”

”woah dude calm down”

^^the strategy of an old racist loser talking out of his ass again

[F250 28764]

Rex's whiskey addled brain is in full display this week.

[Captainant 27641]

38 minutes ago, F250 said:

Rex's whiskey addled brain is in full display this week.

I think he's taking other current events a little hard. Gotta find an outlet somewhere

[Rex Kramer 1334]

Y’all aren’t anti-Semitic that I’ve seen. I won’t venture that far.  I’m joking and will stop. 

[PRONG HORN 3141]

 

 

 

 

[Rex Kramer 1334]

11 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

 

 

Do you hear that, @Brian Fantana?

Do you hear that, @bolverk?

@Brisketexan?  @F250?  @Hank_Hill?

[Brian Fantana 6682]

[F250 28764]

2 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Do you hear that, @Brian Fantana?

Do you hear that, @bolverk?

@Brisketexan?  @F250?  @Hank_Hill?