Israel-Hamas war thread

[Brian Fantana 6591]

1 hour ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Good God you're a terrible poster.

Put me on ignore then, pussy, you won't

[Judge Roybeanbag 11728]

Calm down, fellas!   

[Brian Fantana 6591]

In other news, Israel did another oopsie doopsie!

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-6-6-2024-3d07e712f8abc1e08339163180823fb8

[Poester 109]

17 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Good God you're a terrible poster.

I don’t know. Watching his slow descent into madness is pretty fascinating. 

[Brian Fantana 6591]

8 minutes ago, Poester said:

I don’t know. Watching his slow descent into madness is pretty fascinating. 

Brother, I'm not the one stuck in the most pathetic message board doom cycle of all time, getting repeatedly banned and creating new accounts over and over. Turn that mirror inwards.

[bolverk 28892]

The U.N. is adding Israel, Hamas and Islamic Jihad to its list of countries and groups that harm children.

The preface of last year’s U.N. report says it lists parties engaged in “the killing and maiming of children, rape and other forms of sexual violence perpetrated against children, attacks on schools, hospitals and protected persons.”

The AP article notes some good news, though:

The proportion of Palestinian women and children being killed in the Israel-Hamas war appears to have declined sharply, an Associated Press analysis of Gaza Health Ministry data has found, a trend that both coincides with Israel’s changing battlefield tactics and contradicts the ministry’s own public statements.

The trend is significant because the death rate for women and children is the best available proxy for civilian casualties in one of the 21st century’s most destructive conflicts. In October, when the war began, it was above 60%. For the month of April, it was below 40%.

A more detailed AP analysis can be found here:

The AP analysis highlights facts that have been overlooked and could help inform the public debate, said Gabriel Epstein, a research assistant at the Washington Institute for Near East policy who has also studied the Health Ministry data.

The declining impact on women and children -- as well as a drop in the overall death rate -- are “definitely due to a change in the way the IDF is acting right now,” Epstein said, using an acronym for the Israeli army. “That’s an easy conclusion, but I don’t think it’s been made enough.”

Hmmm...I wonder what the previously discredited stats guy who put together that easily debunked bullshit article from the Tablet would say?

 

But, of course, there remains this minor issue (citation from the first article link):

U.N. agencies warned Wednesday that over 1 million Palestinians in Gaza could experience the highest level of starvation by the middle of next month if hostilities continue.

The World Food Program and the Food and Agriculture Organization said in a joint report that hunger is worsening because of heavy restrictions on humanitarian access and the collapse of the local food system in the eight-month Israel-Hamas war.

 

Meanwhile, the US continues to apply pressure on the belligerent extremists to accept a ceasefire, including requesting the UN Security Council "to adopt a resolution demanding a permanent cease-fire between Hamas and Israel in Gaza, over Israel’s objections."

And there's this, which could end up being big news tomorrow:

Benny Gantz, a centrist member of Netanyahu’s war Cabinet, has called a news conference for Saturday, where he is expected to address his earlier threat to resign by this weekend if Netanyahu failed to release a plan for the war and Gaza.

[956 Worldwide 33959]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-says-four-hostages-rescued-123033809.html

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Four hostages have been freed in a special operation in the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza, Israel’s military says, as Palestinian officials reported more than 50 people killed in strikes in the same area.

Noa Argamani, 25, Almog Meir Jan, 21, Andrey Kozlov, 27, and Shlomi Ziv, 40, were rescued by the Israeli military, intelligence and special forces from two separate locations in Nuseirat, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Saturday.

All four were kidnapped from the Nova music festival on October 7, according to the IDF.

You’ll remember Noa being hauled off like some victim of Bronze Age tribal warfare from a concert. They were being stashed with civilians because of course they were.

Always good to remember the way language is used for political aims, Nuseirat remained a “camp” only because UNRWA called it one, it was not tent people and outdoor kitchens. One might also call it a town mostly built after 1948.

[Bevo 13419]

57 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-says-four-hostages-rescued-123033809.html

You’ll remember Noa being hauled off like some victim of Bronze Age tribal warfare from a concert. They were being stashed with civilians because of course they were.

Always good to remember the way language is used for political aims, Nuseirat remained a “camp” only because UNRWA called it one, it was not tent people and outdoor kitchens. One might also call it a town mostly built after 1948.

 

Retrieving hostages alive is really going to disincentivize Israel from doing any deals with Hamas. There isn't any reason to commit to a ceasefire or one of the 2000 Palestinian for 4 hostage type deals being rolled out.

[Poester 109]

Is there anything more useless than the U.N.? It’s the NCAA in the NIL era. What losers. 

Edited June 8 by Poester
NIL not NLI

[Aqua Buddha 13923]

3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-says-four-hostages-rescued-123033809.html

You’ll remember Noa being hauled off like some victim of Bronze Age tribal warfare from a concert. They were being stashed with civilians because of course they were.

Always good to remember the way language is used for political aims, Nuseirat remained a “camp” only because UNRWA called it one, it was not tent people and outdoor kitchens. One might also call it a town mostly built after 1948.

This will likely disappoint the Hamas sympathizers in America and how some "peaceful" Palestinian civilians knew where the hostages were being held.

Glad the US helped out, too.

[Brian Fantana 6591]

hAmAs sYmPaThIzErs

It's amazing she was rescued and one hopes the remaining living hostages can find their way back as well

[InkaUtexas 24834]

21 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

This will likely disappoint the Hamas sympathizers in America and how some "peaceful" Palestinian civilians knew where the hostages were being held.

Glad the US helped out, too.

Where did you read the US helped?

[DixonHur 10833]

5 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Where did you read the US helped?

https://dnyuz.com/2024/06/08/u-s-intelligence-helped-israel-rescue-four-hostages-in-gaza/

Intel help

[956 Worldwide 33959]

A reminder that the only option that is acceptable to Hamas is “Israel unconditionally surrenders” and that’s what lots of people in the West think Isrsel should do.

[JohnnyRage 1616]

Israel is offering a pause only. Both sides have trouble with the gray area language defining the progress of negotiations in regards to the next phases. Both sides feel like they could be left out to dry. And Israel has the problem of its far-right flank saying they will upend the Netnyahu governing coalition if he dares accept this deal. It's not really as black and white as some people would like to think.

 

 

Edited June 8 by JohnnyRage

[Hank_Hill 17568]

^Hamas sympathizer/antisemite

[bolverk 28892]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

A reminder that the only option that is acceptable to Hamas is “Israel unconditionally surrenders” and that’s what lots of people in the West think Isrsel should do.

 

1 hour ago, JohnnyRage said:

Israel is offering a pause only. Both sides have trouble with the gray area language defining the progress of negotiations in regards to the next phases. Both sides feel like they could be left out to dry. And Israel has the problem of its far-right flank saying they will upend the Netnyahu governing coalition if he dares accept this deal. It's not really as black and white as some people would like to think.

A reminder that the proposed deal came from Netanyahu, and yet even he hasn't said whether he'll accept it.

A further reminder that the only acceptable outcome for Bibi is that a Palestinian State is never established, and also the only acceptable outcome for his far-right allies is that the West Bank Judea and Samaria Area (they refer to it only by its Biblical name) and Gaza are ethnically cleansed and annexed.

[Bevo 13419]

28 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Gaza are ethnically cleansed

Israelis and jews would never accept this.

[Rex Kramer 1209]

5 hours ago, Bevo said:

 

Retrieving hostages alive is really going to disincentivize Israel from doing any deals with Hamas. There isn't any reason to commit to a ceasefire or one of the 2000 Palestinian for 4 hostage type deals being rolled out.

There’s little reason for a ceasefire at all. 

4 hours ago, Poester said:

Is there anything more useless than the U.N.? It’s the NCAA in the NIL era. What losers. 

They were pathetic in pre NIL era and they’re an absolute joke now.  These are historically VERY weak organizations.

3 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

This will likely disappoint the Hamas sympathizers in America and how some "peaceful" Palestinian civilians knew where the hostages were being held.

Glad the US helped out, too.

No doubt. So glad we helped. 

3 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

hAmAs sYmPaThIzErs

It's amazing she was rescued and one hopes the remaining living hostages can find their way back as well

You’re in denial about Hamas sympathizers.  Absolute denial.  They are a huge percentage of any protest.

Also, I simply do not believe you’re happy she escaped.

2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

A reminder that the only option that is acceptable to Hamas is “Israel unconditionally surrenders” and that’s what lots of people in the West think Isrsel should do.

This is not going to happen and these are not serious people. Here (Surly) they should be repeatedly combatted with and ridiculed. 

2 hours ago, JohnnyRage said:

Israel is offering a pause only. Both sides have trouble with the gray area language defining the progress of negotiations in regards to the next phases. Both sides feel like they could be left out to dry. And Israel has the problem of its far-right flank saying they will upend the Netnyahu governing coalition if he dares accept this deal. It's not really as black and white as some people would like to think.

 

 

It is black and white. Israel will not stop. Nor should they. 

2 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

^Hamas sympathizer/antisemite

I don’t believe you are. I believe you’re here to fling shit. I do believe many are so blinded by their irrational hate of Israel that they appear to support a fucking scum terrorist organization. 

21 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

A reminder that the proposed deal came from Netanyahu, and yet even he hasn't said whether he'll accept it.

A further reminder that the only acceptable outcome for Bibi is that a Palestinian State is never established, and also the only acceptable outcome for his far-right allies is that the West Bank Judea and Samaria Area (they refer to it only by its Biblical name) and Gaza are ethnically cleansed and annexed.

Good. Palestinians have never done anything to suggest they merit a state. 

[bolverk 28892]

4 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Israelis and jews would never accept this.

Well, I would hope not, but how do you explain the popularity of Smotrich and Ben Gvir, who have both advocated for it? It's not like they're backbenchers or anything, either, since they both hold high government positions. Then, you've got the settlers, many of whom explicitly will state that's their goal.

[Hank_Hill 17568]

6 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

 

 

I do believe many are so blinded by their irrational hate of Israel that they appear to support a fucking scum terrorist organization. 

 

Yea nobody here is doing that. You’re making shit up again. 

[bolverk 28892]

@Bevo Lookie here. We have one of our own posters openly cheering for ethnic cleansing.

If we've got a Highland Park WASP stating upfront that he's for ethnic cleansing, don't tell me that a lot of extremist settlers aren't also fully supportive. I mean, isn't that the whole point of the settler movement after all? They mean to drive Palestinians from the land and replace them. That's ethnic cleansing.

[Hank_Hill 17568]

Rex openly endorsing the genocide instead of denying it is progress,  I guess. 

[Rex Kramer 1209]

12 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Yea nobody here is doing that. You’re making shit up again. 

Fantana absolutely is. Bolverk is working really hard at both sides’ing this. He knows the sentiment is swinging back toward the Israelis so he’s working double time here. It’s political in nature for him, and classic underdog support, desperately searching for reasons the underdog isn’t a savage. It’s a fool hearted endeavor and pathetic, but he’s exhibiting typical bleeding heart behavior, and it’s genuine. He’s a large step removed from Fantana, who’s unsalvageable. 

[Brian Fantana 6591]

23 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

There’s little reason for a ceasefire at all. 

They were pathetic in pre NIL era and they’re an absolute joke now.  These are historically VERY weak organizations.

No doubt. So glad we helped. 

You’re in denial about Hamas sympathizers.  Absolute denial.  They are a huge percentage of any protest.

Also, I simply do not believe you’re happy she escaped.

This is not going to happen and these are not serious people. Here (Surly) they should be repeatedly combatted with and ridiculed. 

It is black and white. Israel will not stop. Nor should they. 

I don’t believe you are. I believe you’re here to fling shit. I do believe many are so blinded by their irrational hate of Israel that they appear to support a fucking scum terrorist organization. 

Good. Palestinians have never done anything to suggest they merit a state. 

Lmao you are seriously the biggest snowflake bitch alive.

[Aqua Buddha 13923]

22 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

 

Good. Palestinians have never done anything to suggest they merit a state. 

This is an underrated point.  If there to become their own country, what kind of country would they be?  Hamas and the Palestinians haven't shown they're interested in the unsexy parts of running a government like picking up the trash and infrastructure and what not.  They're more interested in a pile of dead Jews.

Personally, if I were Israel, I'd give them their own country and then I'd wall it off like the Berlin Wall and then if they start shit over the years, I'd blow it off the map.

[Rex Kramer 1209]

15 minutes ago, bolverk said:

@Bevo Lookie here. We have one of our own posters openly cheering for ethnic cleansing.

If we've got a Highland Park WASP stating upfront that he's for ethnic cleansing, don't tell me that a lot of extremist settlers aren't also fully supportive. I mean, isn't that the whole point of the settler movement after all? They mean to drive Palestinians from the land and replace them. That's ethnic cleansing.

 

9 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Rex openly endorsing the genocide instead of denying it is progress,  I guess. 

I’m for neither genocide, which very obviously is not going on by Israel, nor ethic cleansing. My home and ethnic profile has zero to do with this. 

Edited June 8 by Rex Kramer

[Brian Fantana 6591]

The clown car has arrived

[InkaUtexas 24834]

Just now, Rex Kramer said:

 

I’m for neither genocide, which very obviously is not going on by Israel, or ethic cleansing. My home and ethnic profile has zero to do with this. 

Then what is going on?

[Rex Kramer 1209]

Just now, InkaUtexas said:

Then what is going on?

War. And the Hamas tactics employed when countered. What do you think is going on?  

[Brian Fantana 6591]

4 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

 

I’m for neither genocide, which very obviously is not going on by Israel, nor ethic cleansing. My home and ethnic profile has zero to do with this. 

I'm sorry Rex, you were lying?

[Brian Fantana 6591]

3 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

War. And the Hamas tactics employed when countered. What do you think is going on?  

Ethnic cleansing. Which you just openly supported and then lied about. Weirdly enough, lying about your own words doesn't really work when your words are still on this page.

[Rex Kramer 1209]

1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm sorry Rex, you were lying?

The “good” was in reference to Bibi disallowing a Palestinian state. I’ll attempt to edit and bold that part for you fucking idiots. I ignore accusations of ethnic cleansing for what they are: fantastical bullshit. 

[Brian Fantana 6591]

Just now, Rex Kramer said:

The “good” was in reference to Bibi disallowing a Palestinian state. I’ll attempt to edit and bold that part for you fucking idiots. I ignore accusations of ethnic cleansing for what they are: fantastical bullshit. 

[Rex Kramer 1209]

Just now, Brian Fantana said:

I can’t edit. Should’ve been VERY obvious to what I was referring. But you and bolverk and Hank proceed with your circle jerk. 

[Hank_Hill 17568]

8 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I can’t edit. Should’ve been VERY obvious to what I was referring. But you and bolverk and Hank proceed with your circle jerk. 

It is VERY obvious

[bolverk 28892]

[Brian Fantana 6591]

Just now, Rex Kramer said:

I can’t edit. Should’ve been VERY obvious to what I was referring. But you and bolverk and Hank proceed with your circle jerk. 

It was quite obvious, don't you worry, little guy.

44 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Israelis and jews would never accept this.

I would posit that the majority wouldn't accept it, but the majority also seem to want Bibi/Likud out of office and that doesn't seem to make any difference at all. A significant number of Israelis have been demanding that new elections be held when the Gaza conflict winds down, and they (Bibi's gov't) are fiercely opposing this. They've already done things such as pass a law making the PM more difficult to remove. Luckily, the Israeli supreme court struck that down (rather, delayed it until after the next elections in 2026). But it's not a great omen for the future of democracy in Israel.

Also, as someone else said earlier, the most extreme elements of Likud have significant support. It's not like they represent a small percentage of the Israeli populace.

The bottom line for Bibi is he likely needs to stay in the PM seat to stay out of prison, so it's doubtful he gives up power without a struggle. I don't think he can or would try to postpone the 2026 elections, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

[Anastasis 23191]

28 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

This is an underrated point.

Y’all realize that the racial supremacy shit is pretty obvious right. Of course y’all aggressively support an apartheid state.

[Aqua Buddha 13923]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Y’all realize that the racial supremacy shit is pretty obvious right. Of course y’all aggressively support an apartheid state.

Not about race at all.  What have they done to deserve their own country and what kind of country would it be?

[Evil Bill Obrien 2860]

NSIAP:
 

and that will be enough internet for today...

 

[Rex Kramer 1209]

28 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

It is VERY obvious

 

25 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Disingenuous. Y’all are better than this. Hes not, but I thought yall were. 

[Brian Fantana 6591]

4 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

NSIAP:
 

and that will be enough internet for today...

 

It's moments like this that remind us that some leftists are as dumb or dumber than the most brain-drained right-wingers. So stupid.

[Anastasis 23191]

13 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

What have they done to deserve their own country and what kind of country would it be?

Jesus Christ y’all racist colonizer apartheid sympathizers have broken fucking brains. 

[bolverk 28892]

14 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Not about race at all.  What have they done to deserve their own country and what kind of country would it be?

Do you support Kosovo or Bosnia? Do they deserve their own countries?

[Anastasis 23191]

“F*gs 4 Hamas”
 

I like figs. A little fig paste on baguette topped with blue cheese. Or as a filling for a buttery fig and date cake. 

[Hank_Hill 17568]

Would love to see the criteria for “deserving” a country and who qualifies 

[Anastasis 23191]

1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

Would love to see the criteria for “deserving” a country and who qualifies 

Well see. It’s kinda complicated. First you have to have the proper complexion and western orientation. 

[Bevo 13419]

50 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Well, I would hope not, but how do you explain the popularity of Smotrich and Ben Gvir, who have both advocated for it? It's not like they're backbenchers or anything, either, since they both hold high government positions. Then, you've got the settlers, many of whom explicitly will state that's their goal.

With regard to settlers, I would expect that there is a big difference between West Bank and East Jerusalem settlers - and neither group would I likely speak with or even encounter because those areas are dangerous. Also, I wouldn't interact with the religious right as I have nothing in common with them. Who I have spoken with is the mainstream population. There are supposedly 700K settlers out of 7M which is 10% of the population and IMO a fairly sizeable chunk. And you have Russian Jews and Middle Eastern Jews and African Jews who didn't grow up with our values. But most of the population, 22%, is from Western Civilization, especially the US. 2/3rds of the population is Israeli born and those mostly have Western values as well. So, you can imagine that most Israelis wouldn't stand for genocide. Now if things were peaceful that is how things would play out. But with the constant threat of violence, there is a sizeable population who would want to move the Palestinians to Egypt. But your mileage may vary on whether that is genocide.

[Brian Fantana 6591]

Are you saying Western values are inherently anti-genocide because uh