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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

"On Tuesday, the U.N. human rights office — which is separate from the panel of independent experts — cited possible war crimes by Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups in connection with a deadly raid by Israeli forces that freed four hostages over the weekend and killed hundreds of Palestinians."

The truck the fucking cunt from the UN cried was supposedly an aid truck was a dishwashing soap company's truck. Fuck the UN for giving Hamas a bunch of bullshit propaganda. You can't trust a word they (either one of 'em) say.

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2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

The truck the fucking cunt from the UN cried was supposedly an aid truck was a dishwashing soap company's truck. Fuck the UN for giving Hamas a bunch of bullshit propaganda. You can't trust a word they (either one of 'em) say.

Are you just going to gloss over the numerous stories of civilian Palestinian hostages detainees being mistreated in Israeli prisons?

The report said that frequency, prevalence and severity of sexual and gender-based crimes against Palestinians by Israeli security forces during the period late last year amounted to signs that some forms of such violence “are part of ISF operating procedures.”

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@Chopper I just did a quick Google search to find a story about an Israeli field hospital operating on Palestinians without anesthesia but came up with this article from Reuters posted just five hours ago.

Palestinian detainees say they faced abuse in Israeli jails
GAZA, June 12 (Reuters) - Palestinians held in Israeli detention since the start of the war in Gaza said they faced systematic ill-treatment by prison authorities whom they accused of deliberately withholding vital medical treatment.

Human rights groups and international organizations have alleged widespread abuse of inmates detained by Israel in raids in the occupied West Bank or during its military advance through in Gaza.

They described abusive and humiliating treatment including holding blindfolded and handcuffed detainees in cramped cages as well as beatings, intimidation and harassment.

"We have left but we call on you to get the rest out," said former detainee Ataa Shbat, at the Kamal Adwan hospital in Gaza, where he was taken following his release. He said many detainees believed their families assumed they were dead.

"People are dying. Torture which you cannot imagine unless you taste it (experience it). Suffering which you cannot imagine unless you experience it," he said.

The Israeli military has said it is investigating allegations of mistreatment of detainees at facilities in Israel but has declined to comment on specific cases. A spokesperson said on Wednesday that details of the investigation would be shared when they were ready.

At least 18 Palestinians have died in Israeli custody since the start of the war, the Palestinian Prisoners Association said on Wednesday, six of whom were from Gaza, including orthopaedics surgeon Adnan al-Bursh.

More than 9,170 Palestinians from the West Bank have been arrested by Israel since Oct. 7, it said, with thousands more "forcibly disappeared" from Gaza. It said their exact number was unknown as Israel has refused to disclose how many Palestinians from Gaza it was holding.

Last week, Israeli state attorneys said authorities had begun transferring prisoners from Sde Teiman, a former military base in the Negev desert, after groups including Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) demanded the closure of the site.

Widespread reports of mistreatment of detainees in Israeli prisons have added to international pressure on Israel for its conduct of the Gaza war, now in its ninth month. Last month, the U.S. State Department said it was looking into allegations of Israeli abuse of Palestinian detainees.

The main United Nations relief agency for Palestinians UNRWA said in a report from April that prisoners reported ill-treatment throughout their detention. It said this included beatings, being deprived of food, denied access to water or toilets and having their hands and feet bound with plastic ties.

"The prisoners are dying every day. There is no food or drinks or medicine. There is no food or clothing. The disease is eating their bodies and no one is looking at them," said former detainee Aalam Hijazi.

"The water is not suitable for drinking," he told Reuters. "I have worn these clothes for eight months."

 

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@Chopper Israel refuses to allow the Red Cross to visit this hospital.

Israel maintains a shadowy hospital for Gaza detainees. Critics allege mistreatment
Patients lying shackled and blindfolded on more than a dozen beds inside a white tent in the desert

JERUSALEM -- Patients lying shackled and blindfolded on more than a dozen beds inside a white tent in the desert. Surgeries performed without adequate painkillers. Doctors who remain anonymous.

These are some of the conditions at Israel's only hospital dedicated to treating Palestinians detained by the military in the Gaza Strip, three people who have worked there told The Associated Press, confirming similar accounts from human rights groups.

While Israel says it detains only suspected militants, many patients have turned out to be non-combatants taken during raids, held without trial and eventually returned to war-torn Gaza.

Eight months into the Israel-Hamas war, accusations of inhumane treatment at the Sde Teiman military field hospital are on the rise, and the Israeli government is under growing pressure to shut it down. Rights groups and other critics say what began as a temporary place to hold and treat militants after Oct. 7 has morphed into a harsh detention center with too little accountability.

The military denies the allegations of inhumane treatment and says all detainees needing medical attention receive it.

The hospital is near the city of Beersheba in southern Israel. It opened beside a detention center on a military base after the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel because some civilian hospitals refused to treat wounded militants. Of the three workers interviewed by AP, two spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared government retribution and public rebuke.

“We are condemned by the left because we are not fulfilling ethical issues,” said Dr. Yoel Donchin, an anesthesiologist who has worked at Sde Teiman hospital since its earliest days and still works there. “We are condemned from the right because they think we are criminals for treating terrorists.”

The military this week said it formed a committee to investigate detention center conditions, but it was unclear if that included the hospital. Next week Israel's highest court is set to hear arguments from human rights groups seeking to shut it down.

Israel has not granted journalists or the International Committee of the Red Cross access to the Sde Teiman facilities.

Israel has detained some 4,000 Palestinians since Oct. 7, according to official figures, though roughly 1,500 were released after the military determined they were not affiliated with Hamas. Israeli human rights groups say the majority of detainees have at some point passed through Sde Teiman, the country's largest detention center.

Doctors there say they have treated many who appeared to be non-combatants.

“Now we have patients that are not so young, sick patients with diabetes and high blood pressure,” said Donchin, the anesthesiologist.

A soldier who worked at the hospital recounted an elderly man who underwent surgery on his leg without pain medication. “He was screaming and shaking,” said the soldier.

Between medical treatments, the soldier said patients were housed in the detention center, where they were exposed to squalid conditions and their wounds often developed infections. There was a separate area where older people slept on thin mattresses under floodlights, and a putrid smell hung in the air, he said.

The military said in a statement that all detainees are “reasonably suspected of being involved in terrorist activity.” It said they receive check-ups upon arrival and are transferred to the hospital when they require more serious treatment.

A medical worker who saw patients at the facility in the winter recounted teaching hospital workers how to wash wounds.

Donchin, who largely defended the facility against allegations of mistreatment but was critical of some of its practices, said most patients are diapered and not allowed to use the bathroom, shackled around their arms and legs and blindfolded.

“Their eyes are covered all the time. I don't know what the security reason for this is,” he said.

The military disputed the accounts provided to AP, saying patients were handcuffed “in cases where the security risk requires it” and removed when they caused injury. Patients are rarely diapered, it said.

Dr. Michael Barilan, a professor at the Tel Aviv University Medical School who said he has spoken with over 15 hospital staff, disputed accounts of medical negligence. He said doctors are doing their best under difficult circumstances, and that the blindfolds originated out of a “fear (patients) would retaliate against those taking care of them."

Days after Oct. 7, roughly 100 Israelis clashed with police outside one of the country's main hospitals in response to false rumors it was treating a militant.

In the aftermath, some hospitals refused to treat detainees, fearful that doing so could endanger staff and disrupt operations. They were already overwhelmed by people wounded during the Hamas attack and expecting casualties to rise from an impending ground invasion.

As Israel pulled in scores of wounded Palestinians to Sde Teiman, it became clear the facility's infirmary was not large enough, according to Barilan. An adjacent field hospital was built from scratch.

Israel's Health Ministry laid out plans for the hospital in a December memo obtained by AP.

It said patients would be treated while handcuffed and blindfolded. Doctors, drafted into service by the military, would be kept anonymous to protect their "safety, lives and well-being." The ministry referred all questions to the military when reached for comment.

Still, an April report from Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, drawing on interviews with hospital workers, said doctors at the facility faced “ethical, professional and even emotional distress.” Barilan said turnover has been high.

Patients with more complicated injuries have been transferred from the field hospital to civilian hospitals, but it has been done covertly to avoid arousing the public's attention, Barilan said. And the process is fraught: The medical worker who spoke with AP said one detainee with a gunshot wound was discharged prematurely from a civilian hospital to Sde Teiman within hours of being treated, endangering his life.

The field hospital is overseen by military and health officials, but Donchin said parts of its operations are managed by KLP, a private logistics and security company whose website says it specializes in “high-risk environments.” The company did not respond to a request for comment.

Because it’s not under the same command as the military’s medical corps, the field hospital is not subject to Israel’s Patients Rights Act, according to Physicians for Human Rights-Israel.

A group from the Israeli Medical Association visited the hospital earlier this year but kept its findings private. The association did not respond to requests for comment.

The military told AP that 36 people from Gaza have died in Israel’s detention centers since Oct. 7, some of them because of illnesses or wounds sustained in the war. Physicians for Human Rights-Israel has alleged that some died from medical negligence.

Khaled Hammouda, a surgeon from Gaza, spent 22 days at one of Israel's detention centers. He does not know where he was taken because he was blindfolded while he was transported. But he said he recognized a picture of Sde Teiman and said he saw at least one detainee, a prominent Gaza doctor who is believed to have been there.

Hammouda recalled asking a soldier if a pale 18-year-old who appeared to be suffering from internal bleeding could be taken to a doctor. The soldier took the teenager away, gave him intravenous fluids for a few hours, and then returned him.

“I told them, ‘He could die,'" Hammouda said. “‘They told me this is the limit.'”

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Posted (edited)
27 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Are you just going to gloss over the numerous stories of civilian Palestinian hostages detainees being mistreated in Israeli prisons?

The report said that frequency, prevalence and severity of sexual and gender-based crimes against Palestinians by Israeli security forces during the period late last year amounted to signs that some forms of such violence “are part of ISF operating procedures.”

Naah. I'm not about glossing over anything. I was reacting to the generality of the accusation and lack of specificity in the article, and the fact that it continued to purvey false and inflammatory information.

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14 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Naah. I'm not about glossing over anything. I was reacting to the generality of the accusation and lack of specificity in the article, and the fact that it continued to purvey false and inflammatory information.

Understood, but your ire was directed at a separate report that is just a footnote to the main article.

For specificity, you can access the primary source here, which includes a link to the full report that has plenty of specificity on the war crimes committed by both Hamas and Israel. There are details of sexual and gender-based violence on the civilian population in the main report.

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7 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Understood, but your ire was directed at a separate report that is just a footnote to the main article.

Yes, but it has no place in there, and it just accentuates the fact that the article is a he said/she said without sifting out even known and proven lies.

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2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I take nothing the UN says seriously. They have a major, major credibility problem. 

So who do we trust then?

I agree with the UN for the most part, but having worked with a few of their agencies, they are not all the same. I do trust their health/food/refugee personnel. I do not usually trust the speakers from NY.

 

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2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

So who do we trust then?

I agree with the UN for the most part, but having worked with a few of their agencies, they are not all the same. I do trust their health/food/refugee personnel. I do not usually trust the speakers from NY.

A reminder that prosecutors for the International Criminal Court (independent of the UN) found sufficient evidence of war crimes committed by Hamas and Israel to recommend arrest warrants recently.

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1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

A LOT of governmental organizations, regardless of nation / international status. The UN is far more credible than say the IEA. 

Umm... but most nations use their people in the UN to MAKE announcements.

For me the key is read as many sources as possible, talk to people who know the place/situation, and then think. No gut reactions when it comes to human lives on any side.

And a serious question. What is the UN's agenda on this subject? Honestly they should want a peacekeeping mission. That is where they make the big bucks.

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12 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

Paywalled. Post the article so that other posters can read it to understand the full context of the UN's statement. 

You surely wouldn't want to mislead anyone. 

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Just now, bolverk said:

Paywalled. Post the article so that other posters can read the article and understand the full context of the UN's statement. 

 

Isn't there a way to get around the paywall by altering the link?  I don't know how to do that.  

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1 minute ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

Isn't there a way to get around the paywall by altering the link?  I don't know how to do that.  

You certainly know how to copy and paste.

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3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

can he? I mean he has access....... Hmmmm. Do tell, is there an aggy among us?

He doesn't seem to have a problem copy/pasting all his godawful tweets, exposing us to the bottom-of-the-barrel dregs found in his feed. But, of course, he's innocent of the poor-quality information stream he shares. You see, it's simply the algorithm, which he totally has no control over.

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9 minutes ago, bolverk said:

You certainly know how to copy and paste.

 

 

Here's a related PDF link.  IDK what the IPC is.  It's dated May but I think was released recently.  

 

https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/documents/IPC_Famine_Review_Committee_Report_FEWS_NET_Gaza_4June2024.pdf

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, bolverk said:

He doesn't seem to have a problem copy/pasting all his godawful tweets, exposing us to the bottom-of-the-barrel dregs found in his feed. But, of course, he's innocent of the poor-quality information stream he shares. You see, it's simply the algorithm, which he totally has no control over.

 

 

Those dregs are usually pro Palestine protestors btw.  

 

 

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Since PRONG HORN continues to refuse to be transparent and post the article, I'll go ahead and do it so others can determine if his commentary, "UN can't find evidence of famine," matches the article and judge whether he can be trusted as a fully honest broker of information.

https://archive.is/eWRtw

UN Panel Says Data Lacking to Determine Whether Famine Exists in Northern Gaza
The UN expert panel contradicts findings of human rights organizations but warns against using the report to deny 'that extreme human suffering is without a doubt currently ongoing in the Gaza Strip'

The United Nations Famine Review Committee published a report on Monday on the situation in the northern Gaza Strip, in which it said there is not enough reliable information to declare a famine.

The committee is part of the UN's Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (aka IPC), which is a scale that indicates food security in crisis zones, as measured on a scale from phase 1 (generally food-secure) to phase 5 (famine/humanitarian catastrophe).

The report stated that the committee is "unable to endorse the IPC Phase 5 (Famine) classification" for northern Gaza, a classification that the U.S. Famine Early Warning Systems Network has endorsed. The UN panel's report said it did not find the U.S. "analysis plausible given the uncertainty and lack of convergence of the supporting evidence employed in the analysis. Therefore, the [committee] is unable to make a determination as to whether or not famine thresholds have been passed."

The UN report emphasized that "all stakeholders who use the IPC for high-level decision-making must understand that whether a famine classification is confirmed does not in any manner change the fact that extreme human suffering is without a doubt currently ongoing in the Gaza Strip and does not in any manner change the immediate humanitarian imperative to address this civilian suffering by enabling complete, safe, unhindered, and sustained humanitarian access into and throughout the Gaza Strip, including through ceasing hostilities."

The conclusion will likely help Israel rebut accusations of starving Gaza on the international legal front and to respond to criticism against it by other countries on the matter. Still, an Israeli response to the expert panel's conclusions that it should increase the amount of humanitarian aid entering Gaza, including through a cease-fire, is liable to cause a crisis in the government.

On Sunday, senior cabinet ministers criticized the Israeli decision to undertake a daily "tactical pause" to allow more deliveries of humanitarian aid. The decision led to exchanges of accusations between the prime minister and Israeli military brass.

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27 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

Those dregs are usually pro Palestine protestors btw.  

Sure thing, buddy. Twitter accounts labeling all protestors as anti-semitic, anti-Israel, or pro-Hamas are totally on their side.

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On 7/14/2024 at 8:36 AM, SurlyGator said:

I'm no munitions expert, but that appears to have not been a small ordinance.

Maybe it was one of those guided bunker buster bombs?

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Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh is assassinated in Tehran

BEIRUT (AP) — Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in Tehran, Iran’s paramilitary Revolutionary Guard said early Wednesday, and Hamas blamed Israel for the attack.

Israel has vowed to kill Haniyeh and other leaders of Hamas over the group’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel that killed 1,200 people and saw some 250 others taken hostage.

An Israeli military spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Israel often doesn’t when it comes to assassinations carried out by their Mossad intelligence agency.

Hamas said Haniyeh was killed “in a Zionist airstrike on his residence in Tehran after he participated in the inauguration of Iran’s new president.”

“Hamas declares to the great Palestinian people and the people of the Arab and Islamic nations and all the free people of the world, brother leader Ismail Ismail Haniyeh a martyr,” the terse statement said.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-hamas-israel-30968a7acb31cd8b259de9650014b779

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39 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh is assassinated in Tehran

BEIRUT (AP) — Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in Tehran, Iran’s paramilitary Revolutionary Guard said early Wednesday, and Hamas blamed Israel for the attack.

Israel has vowed to kill Haniyeh and other leaders of Hamas over the group’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel that killed 1,200 people and saw some 250 others taken hostage.

An Israeli military spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Israel often doesn’t when it comes to assassinations carried out by their Mossad intelligence agency.

Hamas said Haniyeh was killed “in a Zionist airstrike on his residence in Tehran after he participated in the inauguration of Iran’s new president.”

“Hamas declares to the great Palestinian people and the people of the Arab and Islamic nations and all the free people of the world, brother leader Ismail Ismail Haniyeh a martyr,” the terse statement said.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-hamas-israel-30968a7acb31cd8b259de9650014b779

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39 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Hamas said Haniyeh was killed “in a Zionist airstrike on his residence in Tehran after he participated in the inauguration of Iran’s new president.”

So Israel flew all the way to Tehran and back?

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1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

Iran is so dumb for many reasons but here, for not even trying to put some distance between Hamas and Hezbollah leaders and themselves. Good riddance and good job Mossad, almost assuredly. 

Iran reported this, or Hamas did?

Hamas.

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Times of Israel says it was a missile fired from outside Iran. Behind a paywall so not copying entire article.

The pro-Hezbollah Lebanese al Mayadeen news site quotes an Iranian source as saying that the missile used to kill Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in a strike on his residence in Tehran was fired from another country.

The source says that the missile was not fired from within Iran.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-missile-fired-from-outside-iran-used-to-kill-haniyeh/

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3 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Bibi doesn't want to go to jail.

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A cratered field, a mangled fence. Clues emerge from strike that killed 12 children in Golan Heights

 

Updated 11:56 AM CDT, July 30, 2024

JERUSALEM (AP) — Two days after a rocket slammed into a soccer field in the Israel-controlled Golan Heights, killing 12 children, many questions remain about the attack on the Druze town of Majdal Shams.

Israel accused Hezbollah in Lebanon of deliberately targeting civilians, while the Lebanese militant group quickly issued a rare denial of any responsibility for the attack.

With Israel vowing retaliation for what was the highest civilian death toll in Israel-held territory since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on southern Israel, diplomats rushed to prevent an escalation that could spiral into an all-out war after months of exchanges between Israel and Hezbollah over the Lebanese-Israeli border.

Weapons experts told The Associated Press that evidence points to a rocket from Lebanon hitting the field. But they raised the possibility that the hit on civilians was an accident.

Here’s what we know and what remains unclear about the attack.

The strike

The strike left a crater about 2 meters (yards) wide, breaking through the carpet of artificial grass where the children were playing. Around it were scattered burned-out bicycles and scooters, some electric bikes with their batteries melted. Walls of a nearby tent and shelter were pockmarked from shrapnel.

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Holy shit... if true

 

Very Unconfirmed Reports right now, but some Sources in Syria are claiming that Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the Commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Forces, has been Assassination in an Attack near the Syrian Capital of Damascus. Hajizadeh is believed to have been the Senior Commander who planned and ordered the Iranian Ballistic and Cruise Missile Attack in April against Israel. 

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