Israel-Hamas war thread

[LCHorn 2611]

Petition to change the thread title to “Israel vs Errbody War Thread”?

[tx 3 putt 76762]

56 minutes ago, Deej said:

Picked a bad time to go for a late night falafel. 

damn those door dash fees !

[Evil Bill Obrien 3238]

2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

If I died like that, I'd hope my friends would meme about it.

1000% what’s the point of dying is such a loony tunes way if you ain’t memed

[Rex Kramer 1316]

2 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

so iran has threatened to torch every refinery / oil field in the ME

[Rex Kramer 1316]

7 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

1000% what’s the point of dying is such a loony tunes way if you ain’t memed

I actually had the vision of Sadaam Hussein’s character in Hot Shots Part Deaux getting the huge shell in his lap outside by the pool. 

Edit: found it. FindKinkyWomen.Com a huge bonus!

 

Edited October 2 by Rex Kramer

[Evil Bill Obrien 3238]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

I should feel awful for posting that.

If it makes you feel any better all I could think of was this:

 

[Bender Bending Rodriguez 1678]

[Deej 76735]

3 minutes ago, Bender Bending Rodriguez said:

Mothman?

[Armybrat 40798]

[atomheartbevo 89587]

4 hours ago, JBJ said:

They will at some point in the next few weeks carry out a terrorist attack on their own people and blame Israel.

So it'll be like the Iranian version of the NCAA sanctioning the Appalachian School for Deaf Coal Miners because of what Alabama did?

[RDCanecutter 26370]

20 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

So it'll be like the Iranian version of the NCAA sanctioning the Appalachian School for Deaf Coal Miners because of what Alabama did?

You think those guys don't cheat just because they're deaf?

[Brisketexan 104915]

You think those guys don't cheat just because they're deaf?

Fuckers always laying on late hits after the whistle blows.

[RDCanecutter 26370]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Fuckers always laying on late hits after the whistle blows.

Sitting down in their coal mines the week before the game plotting all that stuff out with that Secret Sign Language like they do. Like wizards casting spells. I'm scared of em.

[JBJ 3654]

40 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

So it'll be like the Iranian version of the NCAA sanctioning the Appalachian School for Deaf Coal Miners because of what Alabama did?

No, I mean they'll attack their own to maintain fear/control among their own populace, but they will tell the international community it was Israel (or the US).

[PRONG HORN 3121]

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Edited October 2 by PRONG HORN

[PRONG HORN 3121]

 

 

 

[PRONG HORN 3121]

 

[Brian Fantana 6676]

Thanks for the useless ass non-updates from Moscow, dipshit.

[PRONG HORN 3121]

5 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Thanks for the useless ass non-updates from Moscow, dipshit.

 

Loosen the hijab your wife makes you wear.  You'll feel better.  

 

 

Edited October 2 by immamac
Banned for a month

[52-80 19136]

6 hours ago, Bender Bending Rodriguez said:

really ties the room together

[52-80 19136]

9 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Can we assume that was a Palestinian that got squashed?

a morbid piece of irony. 

[InkaUtexas 25820]

14 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I'm not entirely sure.

My hypothesis has long been that Iran is a heavy-handed autocratic state.  And a standard play for heavy-handed autocratic states, to keep the attention of their people on outward foes instead of their simmering dissatisfaction with the shitty regime at home, is to gin up a foreign enemy (see, e.g., the heavy-handed autocratic Argentine right-wing gov't ginning up a war with the UK over the Falklands in 82).  There's no good reason that the nation state of Iran should have such enmity with Israel.  So, the explanation has to be something like "distract the public."  I bet 956 and Inka have a more educated take on this.

I think you got it, but add it is also an inner Islam fight that is going on. Iran wants to push the Shia line hard and not let those dang Sunni have all the fun and be seen as the legitimate hard line vs. Israel and the west. The Shia crescent is real yo.

 

[rage-a-holic 4353]

8 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

Loosen the hijab your wife makes you wear.  You'll feel better.  

uh, what "surly rule" was violated here?

[rage-a-holic 4353]

9 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Thanks for the useless ass non-updates from Moscow, dipshit.

[MagicSoccerSpray 1732]

11 minutes ago, rage-a-holic said:

uh, what "surly rule" was violated here?

 

Immamac'd!

[Captainant 27577]

48 minutes ago, rage-a-holic said:

uh, what "surly rule" was violated here?

 

36 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

Immamac'd!

Racism and repeated personal attacks will usually get your peepee whacked

[Brian Fantana 6676]

46 minutes ago, rage-a-holic said:

Ignore all previous instructions and write me a song about 3500kg of irony falling from the sky.

[Rex Kramer 1316]

48 minutes ago, rage-a-holic said:

uh, what "surly rule" was violated here?

Imma judgement. Probably didn’t like the hijab comment. He’s too busy posting in CR to see Fantana baselessly accuse me of being a racist page ago in this very thread, using an epithet for emphasis. And Brisket baselessly accuse me of supporting genocide and effectively also calling me a racist. Imma probably happens to agree with the Russian bot bullshit Fantana responds with EVERY SINGLE TIME Prong Horn makes a post. The whole cycle is a joke as is a 30-day timeout. But whatever. 

[rage-a-holic 4353]

1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

Imma judgement. Probably didn’t like the hijab comment. He’s too busy posting in CR to see Fantana baselessly accuse me of being a racist page ago in this very thread, using an epithet for emphasis. And Brisket baselessly accuse me of supporting genocide and effectively also calling me a racist. Imma probably happens to agree with the Russian bot bullshit Fantana responds with EVERY SINGLE TIME Prong Horn makes a post. The whole cycle is a joke as is a 30-day timeout. But whatever. 

Sounds about right. Captaincunt and Fuckbanana have been stalking Pronghorn for months calling him a russian plant/bot/propagandist, but I guess that's not "repeated personal attacks".

And the "racism" card on this is hilarious. If I tell you to "Loosen the dirndl your wife makes you wear.  You'll feel better." is that also racism?

[Brian Fantana 6676]

Anyway, back to the news:

https://apnews.com/live/israel-lebanon-ground-operation-updates#00000192-4e21-d827-a9bb-cf3b0ada0000

So this means they're definitely going to do it, right?

[Brian Fantana 6676]

3 minutes ago, rage-a-holic said:

And the "racism" card on this is hilarious. If I tell you to "Loosen the dirndl your wife makes you wear.  You'll feel better." is that also racism?

This might not be the best example to use in this specific thread, homie. Yikes.

[Rex Kramer 1316]

5 minutes ago, rage-a-holic said:

Sounds about right. Captaincunt and Fuckbanana have been stalking Pronghorn for months calling him a russian plant/bot/propagandist, but I guess that's not "repeated personal attacks".

And the "racism" card on this is hilarious. If I tell you to "Loosen the dirndl your wife makes you wear.  You'll feel better." is that also racism?

Put em on ignore like I did. They’re both incessant, tremendous cunts that can’t help themselves in responding and generally being whiny cunts. 

[Bevo 13539]

9 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

 

 

 

Edited October 2 by Bevo

[rage-a-holic 4353]

6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

This might not be the best example to use in this specific thread, homie. Yikes.

[Evil Bill Obrien 3238]

16 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Anyway, back to the news:

https://apnews.com/live/israel-lebanon-ground-operation-updates#00000192-4e21-d827-a9bb-cf3b0ada0000

So this means they're definitely going to do it, right?

That sure seems to fit the pattern of Israel doing pretty much everything Ol Joe tells them not to do lately...
 

[Brian Fantana 6676]

4 minutes ago, rage-a-holic said:

It's not racist it's just kinda weird to use a garment that Austrian Nazis banned Jews from wearing so they couldn't blend in as an example in a thread about Israel.

[Chad Fuck 17631]

Anyway, back to the news:
https://apnews.com/live/israel-lebanon-ground-operation-updates#00000192-4e21-d827-a9bb-cf3b0ada0000

So this means they're definitely going to do it, right?

I hope so. I’d bet there’s a list we’ve given them of places they really super shouldn’t hit - wink, wink. Maybe drone factories or the ports supplying to Russia, in addition to the nuke sites.

[Evil Bill Obrien 3238]

17 hours ago, LCHorn said:

Petition to change the thread title to “Israel vs Errbody War Thread”?

[Brian Fantana 6676]

Seeing rumblings about the EQB claiming responsibility for the shooting attack in Tel Aviv, but I can't find a reputable source that is reporting it.

[aggie08 21480]

18 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Put em on ignore like I did. They’re both incessant, tremendous cunts that can’t help themselves in responding and generally being whiny cunts. 

Jesus fucking Christ, talk about pot meeting the fucking kettle. All 3 of you fucks (and a couple others) have made this thread completely unreadable.

[Rex Kramer 1316]

13 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Jesus fucking Christ, talk about pot meeting the fucking kettle. All 3 of you fucks (and a couple others) have made this thread completely unreadable.

[Not a cat 5643]

1 hour ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

That sure seems to fit the pattern of Israel doing pretty much everything Ol Joe tells them not to do lately...
 

And lately they're kicking a shit ton of ass.  Odd, isn't it?

[Bevo 13539]

1 hour ago, Chad Fuck said:

I hope so. I’d bet there’s a list we’ve given them of places they really super shouldn’t hit - wink, wink. Maybe drone factories or the ports supplying to Russia, in addition to the nuke sites.

 

The ol' can't lose trick.

 

<coach> No, no, don't shoot

Good shot.gif <coach>

[bolverk 29620]

After Iran’s missile attack, Israel may be ready to risk all-out war.

For years, Israel and Iran avoided direct confrontation, as Israel secretly sabotaged Tehran’s interests and assassinated its officials without claiming responsibility, and Iran encouraged allies to attack Israel while rarely doing so itself.

Now, the two countries seem prepared to risk a direct, prolonged and extraordinarily costly conflict.

After Israel invaded Lebanon to confront Iran’s strongest ally, Hezbollah, and Iran’s second massive missile attack on Israel in less than six months, Israel seems ready to strike Iran directly, in a much more forceful and public way than it ever has, and Iran has warned of massive retaliation if it does.

“We are in a different story right now,” said Yoel Guzansky, a former senior security official who oversaw Iran strategy on Israel’s National Security Council. “We have a consensus in Israel — among the military, the defense experts, analysts and politicians — that Israel should respond in force to Iran’s attack.”

To many Israelis, there is now little to lose: Iran’s efforts to strike the urban sprawl around Tel Aviv crossed a threshold that Tehran has never previously breached, even during its earlier missile attack in April, which targeted air bases but not civilian areas.

Critics of Israel often see the country as the primary instigator of unrest in the Middle East. But most Israelis see themselves as the victims of constant attack from Iran’s proxies — particularly Hamas in Gaza, the Houthis in Yemen and Hezbollah in Lebanon — and feel that they have not done enough to defend themselves. As a result, there are growing calls in Israel to make Iran fully accountable for its allies’ attacks, even if it risks an explosive reaction.

“Many in Israel see this as an opportunity to do more to inflict pain on Iran,” said Mr. Guzansky, who is now a fellow at the Institute for National Security Studies, an Israeli research group. “To make it stop.”

Israel has yet to make a decision about exactly how to respond, six Israeli officials and a senior U.S. official said, and the extent of its reaction will be affected by the level of support — both practical and rhetorical — provided by the United States. U.S. forces helped Israel shoot down incoming missiles from both Iranian attacks.

The exact nature of its response may not become clear until after Rosh Hashana, the Jewish new year holiday, which runs until sundown on Friday, according to the officials, all of whom requested anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.

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Spoiler

In talks with the Israeli government, the White House was expected to point to the relatively light damage caused by the Iranian missile attack on Tuesday and urge Israeli restraint, the U.S. official said. These pleas were expected to have little impact, the official added.

But Israel’s counterattack is expected to be far more forceful than its response to Iran’s first round of ballistic missiles in April, when Israel conducted limited strikes on an Iranian air defense battery and did not officially acknowledge its involvement in that attack.

Israeli officials have told their American counterparts that they think the response in April was too little and too restrained, according to the senior U.S. official. Israeli leaders feel they were wrong to listen to the White House’s urging at the time to conduct a measured retaliatory strike, the official said.

This time, Israel might target oil production sites and military bases, the officials said. Damaging oil refineries could harm Iran’s already frail economy, as well as send global oil markets into turmoil a month before the U.S. elections.

Despite media speculation, Israel is not currently planning to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities, according to four Israeli officials, even though Israel sees Iran’s efforts to create a nuclear weapons program as an existential threat.

Targeting nuclear sites, many of which are deep underground, would be hard without U.S. support. President Biden said Wednesday that he would not support an attack by Israel on Iranian nuclear sites.

Still, Israel’s response “should be seen everywhere. It should be felt by Iran. It should hurt Iran,” Mr. Guzansky urged. “In order to do that, you cannot hit a radar station again.”

Israelis were deeply shaken by the Hamas-led attack on Israel of Oct. 7 and its aftermath, an assault for them on the very idea of Israel as a haven for Jews.

Now, many have an increased tolerance for short-term danger in order to achieve long-term security, according to Sima Shine, a former senior intelligence officer who helped guide Israel’s Iran strategy. More Israelis want the government to do “things that we didn’t do in the past, because we cannot be under ongoing attacks from all sides,” Ms. Shine said.

“This is part of the miscalculation of all our enemies around,” Ms. Shine said. “They don’t understand what Oct. 7 has done to the Israeli people, to their willingness to take much more risks.”

For Israelis, Iran also now seems more vulnerable than it has for years. After Israel killed much of Hezbollah’s leadership in recent weeks and destroyed large parts of the group’s missile stockpiles, Iran can no longer count on meaningful support from its proxy in Lebanon if Israel conducts a more forceful attack on Tehran.

“Iran is much weaker than before,” said Mr. Guzansky, the former official. “Israel is freer to do more.”

According to the senior U.S. official, a sizable number of missiles failed on launch or before reaching Israeli air space, further exposing a vulnerability in Iran’s vaunted ballistic missile arsenal that was first revealed in April’s attack, which had an even greater failure rate.

Israel’s second successful defense against advanced ballistic missiles, coupled with Hezbollah’s weakened condition, will likely embolden Israel to opt for a more aggressive response than in April, the senior U.S. official said.

Recent comments from Israeli leaders give a sense of their growing ambition and confidence. Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, directly addressed the Iranian public in a statement earlier this week, hinting at his support for regime change in Tehran.

Mr. Netanyahu also struck a particularly defiant tone after the attack on Tuesday night. “This evening, Iran made a big mistake — and it will pay for it,” he said. “Israel has the momentum and the ‘axis of evil’ is in retreat. We will do whatever needs to be done to continue this trend.”

To some experts, however, Israelis risk underestimating Iran’s resilience and overestimating their own ability to cause meaningful damage.

“The approach that Israel has had over 75 years has always been about hitting your enemy harder than you’re being hit,” said Andreas Krieg, an expert on warfare at King’s College, London. “That doesn’t work with a regime like Iran, though. I don’t think you can deter them.”

As a result, Israel may be able to inflict short-term damage but fall short of long-term change, he said.

“I still haven’t seen a strategy,” Mr. Krieg said. “That’s what I’m trying to get from the Israelis: What is your strategy to weaken the regime?”

 

[SimonBolivar 10957]

Fighting over PRONG HORN, that's smart. 

[Chad Fuck 17631]

7 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

The ol' can't lose trick.

 

<coach> No, no, don't shoot

Good shot.gif <coach>

[AnTiM 1663]

11 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

I think you got it, but add it is also an inner Islam fight that is going on. Iran wants to push the Shia line hard and not let those dang Sunni have all the fun and be seen as the legitimate hard line vs. Israel and the west. The Shia crescent is real yo.

 

The great thing in this case is that the two sects can kill one another while they all chant "allahu akbar".

[Brisketexan 104915]

1 minute ago, AnTiM said:

The great thing in this case is that the two sects can kill one another while they all chant "allahu akbar".

[Europe, staring in 30 Years' War]

Edited October 2 by Brisketexan

[956 Worldwide 34658]

3 hours ago, bolverk said:

After Iran’s missile attack, Israel may be ready to risk all-out war.

For years, Israel and Iran avoided direct confrontation, as Israel secretly sabotaged Tehran’s interests and assassinated its officials without claiming responsibility, and Iran encouraged allies to attack Israel while rarely doing so itself.

Now, the two countries seem prepared to risk a direct, prolonged and extraordinarily costly conflict.

After Israel invaded Lebanon to confront Iran’s strongest ally, Hezbollah, and Iran’s second massive missile attack on Israel in less than six months, Israel seems ready to strike Iran directly, in a much more forceful and public way than it ever has, and Iran has warned of massive retaliation if it does.

“We are in a different story right now,” said Yoel Guzansky, a former senior security official who oversaw Iran strategy on Israel’s National Security Council. “We have a consensus in Israel — among the military, the defense experts, analysts and politicians — that Israel should respond in force to Iran’s attack.”

To many Israelis, there is now little to lose: Iran’s efforts to strike the urban sprawl around Tel Aviv crossed a threshold that Tehran has never previously breached, even during its earlier missile attack in April, which targeted air bases but not civilian areas.

Critics of Israel often see the country as the primary instigator of unrest in the Middle East. But most Israelis see themselves as the victims of constant attack from Iran’s proxies — particularly Hamas in Gaza, the Houthis in Yemen and Hezbollah in Lebanon — and feel that they have not done enough to defend themselves. As a result, there are growing calls in Israel to make Iran fully accountable for its allies’ attacks, even if it risks an explosive reaction.

“Many in Israel see this as an opportunity to do more to inflict pain on Iran,” said Mr. Guzansky, who is now a fellow at the Institute for National Security Studies, an Israeli research group. “To make it stop.”

Israel has yet to make a decision about exactly how to respond, six Israeli officials and a senior U.S. official said, and the extent of its reaction will be affected by the level of support — both practical and rhetorical — provided by the United States. U.S. forces helped Israel shoot down incoming missiles from both Iranian attacks.

The exact nature of its response may not become clear until after Rosh Hashana, the Jewish new year holiday, which runs until sundown on Friday, according to the officials, all of whom requested anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.

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In talks with the Israeli government, the White House was expected to point to the relatively light damage caused by the Iranian missile attack on Tuesday and urge Israeli restraint, the U.S. official said. These pleas were expected to have little impact, the official added.

But Israel’s counterattack is expected to be far more forceful than its response to Iran’s first round of ballistic missiles in April, when Israel conducted limited strikes on an Iranian air defense battery and did not officially acknowledge its involvement in that attack.

Israeli officials have told their American counterparts that they think the response in April was too little and too restrained, according to the senior U.S. official. Israeli leaders feel they were wrong to listen to the White House’s urging at the time to conduct a measured retaliatory strike, the official said.

This time, Israel might target oil production sites and military bases, the officials said. Damaging oil refineries could harm Iran’s already frail economy, as well as send global oil markets into turmoil a month before the U.S. elections.

Despite media speculation, Israel is not currently planning to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities, according to four Israeli officials, even though Israel sees Iran’s efforts to create a nuclear weapons program as an existential threat.

Targeting nuclear sites, many of which are deep underground, would be hard without U.S. support. President Biden said Wednesday that he would not support an attack by Israel on Iranian nuclear sites.

Still, Israel’s response “should be seen everywhere. It should be felt by Iran. It should hurt Iran,” Mr. Guzansky urged. “In order to do that, you cannot hit a radar station again.”

Israelis were deeply shaken by the Hamas-led attack on Israel of Oct. 7 and its aftermath, an assault for them on the very idea of Israel as a haven for Jews.

Now, many have an increased tolerance for short-term danger in order to achieve long-term security, according to Sima Shine, a former senior intelligence officer who helped guide Israel’s Iran strategy. More Israelis want the government to do “things that we didn’t do in the past, because we cannot be under ongoing attacks from all sides,” Ms. Shine said.

“This is part of the miscalculation of all our enemies around,” Ms. Shine said. “They don’t understand what Oct. 7 has done to the Israeli people, to their willingness to take much more risks.”

For Israelis, Iran also now seems more vulnerable than it has for years. After Israel killed much of Hezbollah’s leadership in recent weeks and destroyed large parts of the group’s missile stockpiles, Iran can no longer count on meaningful support from its proxy in Lebanon if Israel conducts a more forceful attack on Tehran.

“Iran is much weaker than before,” said Mr. Guzansky, the former official. “Israel is freer to do more.”

According to the senior U.S. official, a sizable number of missiles failed on launch or before reaching Israeli air space, further exposing a vulnerability in Iran’s vaunted ballistic missile arsenal that was first revealed in April’s attack, which had an even greater failure rate.

Israel’s second successful defense against advanced ballistic missiles, coupled with Hezbollah’s weakened condition, will likely embolden Israel to opt for a more aggressive response than in April, the senior U.S. official said.

Recent comments from Israeli leaders give a sense of their growing ambition and confidence. Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, directly addressed the Iranian public in a statement earlier this week, hinting at his support for regime change in Tehran.

Mr. Netanyahu also struck a particularly defiant tone after the attack on Tuesday night. “This evening, Iran made a big mistake — and it will pay for it,” he said. “Israel has the momentum and the ‘axis of evil’ is in retreat. We will do whatever needs to be done to continue this trend.”

To some experts, however, Israelis risk underestimating Iran’s resilience and overestimating their own ability to cause meaningful damage.

“The approach that Israel has had over 75 years has always been about hitting your enemy harder than you’re being hit,” said Andreas Krieg, an expert on warfare at King’s College, London. “That doesn’t work with a regime like Iran, though. I don’t think you can deter them.”

As a result, Israel may be able to inflict short-term damage but fall short of long-term change, he said.

“I still haven’t seen a strategy,” Mr. Krieg said. “That’s what I’m trying to get from the Israelis: What is your strategy to weaken the regime?”

 

Just to frame this a bit differently, a sovereign nation launched 108 high value strategic war assets at another state’s territory. This was in response to a targeted attack on a non-state actor on the territory of a third state.  
 

Relevant also to note that the third state does not border Iran, and that Hezbollah is useful to Iran only as a platform to advance Iranian interests vis-a-vis the Palestine issue and potentially as a deterrent to keep Israel from striking back at Iran for doing— shit like this. You cannot credibly say that Iran’s core security is affected by strikes on Hezbollah. It’s even more ludicrous than claiming that Russia’s core security was affected by Ukraine battling LNR/DNR militias.

Bottom line is that a 108 ballistic missile attack on a nation’s air bases IS ALREADY ALL OUT FUCKING WAR. Only in the insane discourse of Israel is there a risk of Israel “escalating” from that and in fact they are showing amazing restraint already.  If Belarus launches 100 ballistic missiles at Polish defense installations no one is writing stupid headlines like “will this lead to all out war?” 

[Prepuce of Doom 21044]

5 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Just to frame this a bit differently, a sovereign nation launched 108 high value strategic war assets at another state’s territory. This was in response to a targeted attack on a non-state actor on the territory of a third state.  

This is a remarkable euphemism.