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5 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

When did I infringe on your rights?

You did not infringe my rights. You just tried to tell me what they were and were not. And I pushed back. I hope that is ok. 

Posted
7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The President is not a special god ordained figure with some set of unique rights. The American people should have every single piece of relevant information. If it is relevant to the President's decision making, it is relevant to the people. I would be willing to make reasonable and pragmatic exceptions in times of declared war. But this notion that the government somehow has super authority and autonomy distinct from the right of the governed people is fundamentally anti-democratic.  

I think trying to start a war might be a reason. Dude, there is not a plot behind everything event. I think you need to go outdoors, breathe some air, make sure the BOI is not infringing on your perimeter.

No one said they were god like. And I did not try to tell you one thing. Again, no conspiracy. There is not a CIA agent hiding in your closet. Or is there?

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1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

I think trying to start a war might be a reason. Dude, there is not a plot behind everything event. I think you need to go outdoors, breathe some air, make sure the BOI is not infringing on your perimeter.

No one said they were god like. And I did not try to tell you one thing. Again, no conspiracy. There is not a CIA agent hiding in your closet. Or is there?

No one is talking about a CIA plot here dude. Just basic principles about the roles and relationship between the governed and our representatives. There is nothing fundamentally traumatizing when the light of day shines. Unless you are a cockroach. 

Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

No one is talking about a CIA plot here dude. Just basic principles about the roles and relationship between the governed and our representatives. There is nothing fundamentally traumatizing when the light of day shines. Unless you are a cockroach. 

Cool. Joint Chiefs coming to your place tomorrow for tea They want to discuss with you and your neighbors the war readiness plans for 2050. Please have scones. They like scones.

Half the nation is functioning literate, sure lets tell them everything. TayTay can write songs about it to ensure they listen in. Maybe part of his community service Puff can do some PSA's.

Shit, no they are not. Joint Chiefs are not in the Constitution. Or is it joint chefs?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Every American needs the “At Sea Deterrent” tracking app on their phone. 

Nah, we got fitness apps so everyone can know where they are. Like was basecamp in syria.

Posted
11 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Half the nation is functioning literate, sure lets tell them everything. TayTay can write songs about it to ensure they listen in. Maybe part of his community service Puff can do some PSA's.

Look, honesty is perfectly acceptable. If you are arguing that we are not really cut out for this democracy thing, I mean I'd probably at least track with you. 

Posted
4 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's amazing to read the first line of someone's post and come up with a take like that one.

Good post btw.

Yeah it's almost like he completely missed the point. 

Posted
7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Look, honesty is perfectly acceptable. If you are arguing that we are not really cut out for this democracy thing, I mean I'd probably at least track with you. 

OK, so what secrets are you privy to that you don't know? I mean NEEEEDDDD to know, not want to know.

And agree, maybe we are not. But it is our best option for now. Full libertarian is not going to work. Neither will full fascism.

 

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Posted (edited)

I feel like there's a natural conflict of being a completely open society and our national security. I'm not quite sure how we actually exist as a country over a long enough period of time without some kind of emphasis on our national security. I'm also not sure how we exist as a completely open society while also creating organizations dedicated to our national security. The two seem incongruent.

Since I think humans at our core are genocidal maniacs, and whatever freedoms we experience as a collective society aren't worth much if we're wiped from the planet, I probably lean on the national security side a little more than someone with a different mindset. 

I also find the concept that every taxpayer/law abiding citizen has a right to all the knowledge available to the people responsible for our core elements of national security extremely naive. 

But I do acknowledge there's a natural tension. If someone is all in that we should be a completely open society, then it makes sense they'd have a problem with any secrets being kept. I don't agree with it, but it has a certain internal logic.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Yeah it's almost like he completely missed the point. 

You're right. I have missed your point. It would require some level of explanation from you to understand it. I'd be glad to read and respond if you care to make the effort to further explain yourself. 

Posted
2 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

feel like there's a natural conflict of being a completely open society and our national security.

Some people struggle with this democracy concept. What they really love is corporate kleptocracy. And esp when f35s and boom boom bang bang is involved. It tweeks their inner ape brain feedback mechanisms. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Some people struggle with this democracy concept. What they really love is corporate kleptocracy. And esp when f35s and boom boom bang bang is involved. It tweeks their inner ape brain feedback mechanisms. 

I'm just not sure what the point of the democracy is if it ceases to exist. On some level it feels like actual survival should be an important metric. But maybe that's just me? I think the opposite argument can be made, too, btw. What's the point of surviving if it's some kind of dystopian serfdom. Maybe there's some kind of spectrum a society could exist on? Don't know where on the spectrum would be ideal, though. 

BTW, we all have inner primordial brain feedback mechanisms. I hesitate to call them ape brain because we didn't actually evolve from apes, but we all have a common ancestor. 

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On 10/20/2024 at 9:25 AM, ChickenSandwich said:
Wow
 
CNN — 

The US is investigating a leak of highly classified US intelligence about Israel’s plans for retaliation against Iran, according to three people familiar with the matter. One of the people familiar confirmed the documents’ authenticity.

The leak is “deeply concerning,” a US official told CNN.

The documents, dated October 15 and 16, began circulating online Friday after being posted on Telegram by an account called “Middle East Spectator.”

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/10/19/politics/us-israel-iran-intelligence-documents

 

5 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Begging you to stop quoting him. And please let’s get this back on track to Israel war news. 

 

I'm interested to hear what is going on now. However, it seems that this administration wants to delay any retaliation on Iran until after the election (and maybe indefinitely). I'm betting that the leak was successful either directly or indirectly in achieving that goal.

 

 

Posted
On 10/20/2024 at 12:38 PM, Dnaguy said:

The administration leaked it themselves.

 

They're trying to prevent the strike and so a 'leaker' did it.

 

No one is going to jail b/c it was done on purpose. They're trying to make sure a full blown regional war doesn't break out. 

If you're a cynic, you'll say it's to prevent a war breaking out so close to an election.

However, I feel like it's Biden really believing the mass chaos and reproductions of a full regional war in the Middle East breaking out.

Dude - the Biden administration didn't leak the document. End of statement.

Pay attention. If they had leaked it, it wouldn't have been to some pro-Iran Telegram account administrator. Pull your head out of your ass. 

Posted (edited)
On 10/20/2024 at 2:01 PM, Bevo said:

Gotcha, for a minute it sounded like you felt that the administration was justified in releasing the war plans of its allies. 

Jfc, this thread took a particularly annoying turn. The NY Times, The WaPo. That's where Administrations officially leak their shit. Not to the "Middle East Spectator," a pro-Iranian Telegram channel.

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Posted
13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Lots of misinformation like this

 

Apparently a lot of old imagery being aired on Israeli TV too. I don't know why they would bother to do that, they don't really need to propagandize military action against Iran within their own country.

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Gaza Chief’s Brutal Calculation: Civilian Bloodshed Will Help Hamas https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/gaza-chiefs-brutal-calculation-civilian-bloodshed-will-help-hamas-626720e7

Hamas leader believes Palestinian civilian deaths are 'necessary sacrifices,' report says https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/hamas-leader-believes-palestinian-civilian-deaths-are-necessary-sacrifices-report-says-yahya-sinwar-palestine-israel-gaza-terrorist-terrorism-war-benjamin-netanyahu 

‘Israel is trying to erase our presence’: Palestinians say ‘generals’ plan’ to clear north Gaza is under way. Many believe new offensive, along with tightening of siege, is following blueprint for removing remaining population https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/26/israel-generals-plan-clear-north-gaza-palestinians

Israel sent a message to Iran on Friday ahead of its retaliatory airstrikes warning the Iranians not to respond
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/26/israel-iran-attack-warning

 

 

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Posted
5 hours ago, Bevo said:

Hopefully, air defense targets were hit in preparation for strikes against the nuclear facilities after our election.

I believe they went after Iran's missile production process. 

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This whole thing reminds me of asking my kids why they were fighting…after ten minutes of backstory from both perspectives, it comes down to my son not giving my daughter a turn on the Fischer Price toy vacuum in 2016.  

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