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11 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Half the nation is functioning literate, sure lets tell them everything. TayTay can write songs about it to ensure they listen in. Maybe part of his community service Puff can do some PSA's.

Look, honesty is perfectly acceptable. If you are arguing that we are not really cut out for this democracy thing, I mean I'd probably at least track with you. 

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7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Look, honesty is perfectly acceptable. If you are arguing that we are not really cut out for this democracy thing, I mean I'd probably at least track with you. 

OK, so what secrets are you privy to that you don't know? I mean NEEEEDDDD to know, not want to know.

And agree, maybe we are not. But it is our best option for now. Full libertarian is not going to work. Neither will full fascism.

 

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I feel like there's a natural conflict of being a completely open society and our national security. I'm not quite sure how we actually exist as a country over a long enough period of time without some kind of emphasis on our national security. I'm also not sure how we exist as a completely open society while also creating organizations dedicated to our national security. The two seem incongruent.

Since I think humans at our core are genocidal maniacs, and whatever freedoms we experience as a collective society aren't worth much if we're wiped from the planet, I probably lean on the national security side a little more than someone with a different mindset. 

I also find the concept that every taxpayer/law abiding citizen has a right to all the knowledge available to the people responsible for our core elements of national security extremely naive. 

But I do acknowledge there's a natural tension. If someone is all in that we should be a completely open society, then it makes sense they'd have a problem with any secrets being kept. I don't agree with it, but it has a certain internal logic.

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10 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Yeah it's almost like he completely missed the point. 

You're right. I have missed your point. It would require some level of explanation from you to understand it. I'd be glad to read and respond if you care to make the effort to further explain yourself. 

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2 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

feel like there's a natural conflict of being a completely open society and our national security.

Some people struggle with this democracy concept. What they really love is corporate kleptocracy. And esp when f35s and boom boom bang bang is involved. It tweeks their inner ape brain feedback mechanisms. 

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1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Some people struggle with this democracy concept. What they really love is corporate kleptocracy. And esp when f35s and boom boom bang bang is involved. It tweeks their inner ape brain feedback mechanisms. 

I'm just not sure what the point of the democracy is if it ceases to exist. On some level it feels like actual survival should be an important metric. But maybe that's just me? I think the opposite argument can be made, too, btw. What's the point of surviving if it's some kind of dystopian serfdom. Maybe there's some kind of spectrum a society could exist on? Don't know where on the spectrum would be ideal, though. 

BTW, we all have inner primordial brain feedback mechanisms. I hesitate to call them ape brain because we didn't actually evolve from apes, but we all have a common ancestor. 

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On 10/20/2024 at 6:44 PM, InkaUtexas said:

OK, so what secrets are you privy to that you don't know? I mean NEEEEDDDD to know, not want to know.

And agree, maybe we are not. But it is our best option for now. Full libertarian is not going to work. Neither will full fascism.

 

Begging you to stop quoting him. And please let’s get this back on track to Israel war news. 

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On 10/20/2024 at 9:25 AM, ChickenSandwich said:
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CNN — 

The US is investigating a leak of highly classified US intelligence about Israel’s plans for retaliation against Iran, according to three people familiar with the matter. One of the people familiar confirmed the documents’ authenticity.

The leak is “deeply concerning,” a US official told CNN.

The documents, dated October 15 and 16, began circulating online Friday after being posted on Telegram by an account called “Middle East Spectator.”

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/10/19/politics/us-israel-iran-intelligence-documents

 

5 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Begging you to stop quoting him. And please let’s get this back on track to Israel war news. 

 

I'm interested to hear what is going on now. However, it seems that this administration wants to delay any retaliation on Iran until after the election (and maybe indefinitely). I'm betting that the leak was successful either directly or indirectly in achieving that goal.

 

 

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On 10/20/2024 at 12:38 PM, Dnaguy said:

The administration leaked it themselves.

 

They're trying to prevent the strike and so a 'leaker' did it.

 

No one is going to jail b/c it was done on purpose. They're trying to make sure a full blown regional war doesn't break out. 

If you're a cynic, you'll say it's to prevent a war breaking out so close to an election.

However, I feel like it's Biden really believing the mass chaos and reproductions of a full regional war in the Middle East breaking out.

Dude - the Biden administration didn't leak the document. End of statement.

Pay attention. If they had leaked it, it wouldn't have been to some pro-Iran Telegram account administrator. Pull your head out of your ass. 

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On 10/20/2024 at 2:01 PM, Bevo said:

Gotcha, for a minute it sounded like you felt that the administration was justified in releasing the war plans of its allies. 

Jfc, this thread took a particularly annoying turn. The NY Times, The WaPo. That's where Administrations officially leak their shit. Not to the "Middle East Spectator," a pro-Iranian Telegram channel.

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13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Lots of misinformation like this

 

Apparently a lot of old imagery being aired on Israeli TV too. I don't know why they would bother to do that, they don't really need to propagandize military action against Iran within their own country.

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Gaza Chief’s Brutal Calculation: Civilian Bloodshed Will Help Hamas https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/gaza-chiefs-brutal-calculation-civilian-bloodshed-will-help-hamas-626720e7

Hamas leader believes Palestinian civilian deaths are 'necessary sacrifices,' report says https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/hamas-leader-believes-palestinian-civilian-deaths-are-necessary-sacrifices-report-says-yahya-sinwar-palestine-israel-gaza-terrorist-terrorism-war-benjamin-netanyahu 

‘Israel is trying to erase our presence’: Palestinians say ‘generals’ plan’ to clear north Gaza is under way. Many believe new offensive, along with tightening of siege, is following blueprint for removing remaining population https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/26/israel-generals-plan-clear-north-gaza-palestinians

Israel sent a message to Iran on Friday ahead of its retaliatory airstrikes warning the Iranians not to respond
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/26/israel-iran-attack-warning

 

 

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2 hours ago, Chopper said:

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https://www.jpost.com/international/islamic-terrorism/article-826155

Her fault for going to fucking Algeria. 

 

17 hours ago, Bevo said:

 

 

Looks like they avoided hitting refineries and nuclear facilities in accordance with US instructions.

Elections should have zero to do with their response. This drives me crazy. 

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2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

Ask yourself, "Is this a meme that Prong Horn would post?" If the answer is definitely yes, maybe consider sitting on it.

But didn't you know that everyone loves Erdogan, MBS, and al-Assad but hates Bibi for no reason whatsoever? What a ridiculous meme.

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48 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

But didn't you know that everyone loves Erdogan, MBS, and al-Assad but hates Bibi for no reason whatsoever? What a ridiculous meme.

I think you know where my thoughts lie on the current IDF operations and how they are being carried out. But there is some truth to that meme. So please enlighten us. And also add to the explanation why no one is in the streets about the ongoing events in Sudan and Libya.

 

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20 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I think you know where my thoughts lie on the current IDF operations and how they are being carried out. But there is some truth to that meme. So please enlighten us. And also add to the explanation why no one is in the streets about the ongoing events in Sudan and Libya.

I had a long response typed out but I just deleted it because a meme posted by a dude that demonstrably despises Muslim people is not worth arguing about. I'm not sure why you're trying to start one over it.

e: I will say that the answer to your last question is because western media doesn't cover it and people don't care to learn. Hell, I marched in summer of 2006 with pro-divestment protestors in DC but even I haven't really thought about it much recently.

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3 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

I had a long response typed out but I just deleted it because a meme posted by a dude that demonstrably despises Muslim people is not worth arguing about. I'm not sure why you're trying to start one over it.

e: I will say that the answer to your last question is because western media doesn't cover it and people don't care to learn. Hell, I marched in summer of 2006 with pro-divestment protestors in DC but even I haven't really thought about it much recently.

Maybe you should.

And how did that divestment pan out? And if you do look into it, both sides are supported by Muslim partners. All I am saying is there is some truth to that meme. If you don't like it, fine, that is all you have to say. And not trying to start anything. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of not accepting that meme is quite real.

I mean, another truth is the west does more for economic development  and services in Palestine than the arab sheikdoms do. Is that wrong?

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