Israel-Hamas war thread

[MagicSoccerSpray 1,725]

 

[PRONG HORN 3,095]

 

 

A Jew patented the first telephone pager system, and co-invented the walike talkie, among other things.

 

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Irving "Al" Gross was a pioneer in mobile wireless communication. He created and patented many communications devices, specifically in relation to an early version of the walkie-talkie, Citizens' Band radio, the telephone pager and the cordless telephone.

 

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Cartoonist Chester Gould asked if he could use Gross' concept of a miniaturized two-way radio in his Dick Tracy comic strip. The result was the Dick Tracy two-way wrist radio

 

 

[Brian Fantana 6,651]

Thanks ChatGPT

[Laxtonto 11,888]

[Chopper 17,038]

8 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

Huh maybe my "Chocolate Is Delicious" and "Oxygen Is Good" shirts are now back in vogue.

[Conqueeftador 123]

On 9/20/2024 at 4:21 PM, Brian Fantana said:

 

A moderate position would start with cutting off the gravy train until certain conditions are met, like ceasing all attempts at the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the West Bank. Removal of the settlers, etc.

Removal of the settlers doesn't strike me as moderate.

[Goredho 17,252]

On 9/19/2024 at 8:11 AM, Laxtonto said:

 

I'm late to the whole pager/device attack discussion, but it strikes me that this is how we should endeavor to "bomb threat X into the stone age."  Compare this to the monetary and human expense needed to take down the leadership of Al Qaeda after 9/11 using more conventional means.  Bravo.

[totallynotabuttpirate 5,329]

9 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

The fact that he's using wired EarPods instead of bluetooth headphones is a huge red flag.  

Edited September 23 by totallynotabuttpirate

[Armybrat 40,623]

9 minutes ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

The fact that he's using wired EarPods instead of bluetooth headphones is a huge red flag.  

He is risking arrest by the police for “hate speech”.

[ABSR 5,281]

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

Huh maybe my "Chocolate Is Delicious" and "Oxygen Is Good" shirts are now back in vogue.

Yep.

Hamas has been an identified terrorist organization by the US government since 1997.  Other countries, including the UK, also designate it as such.

[tx 3 putt 75,851]

damn …

 

[tx 3 putt 75,851]

 

[Brian Fantana 6,651]

2 hours ago, Conqueeftador said:

Removal of the settlers doesn't strike me as moderate.

I don't mean killing them, just pulling them out. The settler movements in the West Bank are little better than terrorism.

[sidis 9,686]

21 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

damn …

 

what i imagine armybrat or handcruser's houses doing if anything ever catches on fire in near proximity.

[tx 3 putt 75,851]

i give IDF respect for not just leveling the whole block 

[Parliament 14,064]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

damn …

 

Oklahoma meth lab.

[tx 3 putt 75,851]

you know some old guy was thinking he had a good deal going. let his radical buddy store some boxes in his garage for straight cash 

easy peasy

[Stros121 4]

 

[SL Xpress 7,503]

2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

I don't mean killing them, just pulling them out. The settler movements in the West Bank are little better than terrorism.

Why? To establish a two state system that isn't going to work? Your "moderate" stance is pro Palestinian. Period. The Palestinians aren't fundamentally upset about the settler movement in the West Bank and areas around Gaza. They're more upset the Jews control Jerusalem. That's what this conflict is about. People want to pretend if the Jews and Palestinians will just be nice to one another and treat each other with respect and human decency, we can all put this in the rear view mirror. The Jews want their historical homeland. More than that, they have it. The Palestinians want their homeland back that they believe - rightfully - was taken from them by force. That's the crux of it.

You'd have the Jews and Palestinians live in one country in perfect harmony somehow, with the Palestinians dominating the government because of having a larger population. I don't understand how you think that's ever going to work in the real world at all. Why in the world would the Israelis allow that to occur? They'd be under immediate threat of legal expulsion the moment something like that occurred. The same way it occurred in all the other Arab countries. 

The Palestinians want their country back. Not part of their country. The whole country. The Jews are going to make sure they die before they give it back. When the Jews say "Never Again" about the Holocaust, they don't mean there will never be another Jewish genocide. They mean they're not going to go meekly into the cattle cars and gas chambers next time. 

I feel like you think I'm extolling genocide of the Palestinian people. I am not. I'm simply saying one or the other has to go, one way or another. That's the only way towards lasting peace. Without it, no lasting peace. So if you don't have lasting peace, then you have to pick a side. Saying the Israelis should give up their settlements and quit being so mean to the poor Palestinians who want to be left alone so they can wipe the Israelis off the map somehow, is being pro Palestinian, whether you want to admit it or not.

There's no moderate side here. There's no way to halve this baby. 

[Brian Fantana 6,651]

Not gonna lie I'm not reading all that. I learned my lesson from the basketball board years ago.

E: Ok I lied, I read it. You have no clue what you're talking about. Not sure why I subjected my brain to that bullshit. You're just going on ignore like Rex.

Edited September 23 by Brian Fantana

[Brian Fantana 6,651]

Actually I think I'm just going to kill myself rather than read another dipshit tell me I should just be ok with my extended family members being killed and their homes taken in the West Bank, and that not being ok with it means I want Palestinians to exterminate Jews.

Seriously, eat shit and don't come to my funeral.

[MagicSoccerSpray 1,725]

22 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Not gonna lie I'm not reading all that. I learned my lesson from the basketball board years ago.

E: Ok I lied, I read it. You have no clue what you're talking about. Not sure why I subjected my brain to that bullshit. You're just going on ignore like Rex.

 

13 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Actually I think I'm just going to kill myself rather than read another dipshit tell me I should just be ok with my extended family members being killed and their homes taken in the West Bank, and that not being ok with it means I want Palestinians to exterminate Jews.

Seriously, eat shit and don't come to my funeral.

 

Fantana'd! Good job Cloak Room-ing a perfectly good thread... again. You truly are one of the worst posters on this board. Unless you can meaningfully contribute to this thread by posting informational links, or can make insightful commentary that doesn't include sucking terrorist dick, I suggest you slink back to the CR, where you ilk and commentary are actually expected, tolerated , and acceptable.

Here's the link, please use it:

 

 

[Deej 76,328]

4 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

damn …

 

That was just pagers.

[Rex Kramer 1,260]

1 hour ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

 

Fantana'd! Good job Cloak Room-ing a perfectly good thread... again. You truly are one of the worst posters on this board. Unless you can meaningfully contribute to this thread by posting informational links, or can make insightful commentary that doesn't include sucking terrorist dick, I suggest you slink back to the CR, where you ilk and commentary are actually expected, tolerated , and acceptable.

Here's the link, please use it:

 

 

lol. I’m on ignore by fantana. You know the only reason I found out?

[tx 3 putt 75,851]

in this case, a bigger bomb was needed ….

 

[Brisketexan 104,196]

48 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

in this case, a bigger bomb was needed ….

 

"Seems we're having a bit of trouble with Fadi's feed....so, now to Fatima with the weather!"

[Armybrat 40,623]

44 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

"Seems we're having a bit of trouble with Fadi's feed....so, now to Fatima with the weather!"

Strange…..what are these 72 goats doing in this inferno?

[Newdoc 3,425]

On 9/20/2024 at 4:21 PM, Brian Fantana said:

ethnic cleansing of Gaza

Extreme language doesn’t get you to moderate. Try  “Irresponsible military action without poor regard for civilian casualties.” 

If Israel wanted to “ethnic cleanse” Gaza, they would be more efficient about it.

[Anastasis 23,283]

4 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

If Israel wanted to “ethnic cleanse” Gaza, they would be more efficient about it.

Jesus Christ. 

[Degenerate Gardner 4,066]

3 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

 

Fantana'd! Good job Cloak Room-ing a perfectly good thread... again. You truly are one of the worst posters on this board. Unless you can meaningfully contribute to this thread by posting informational links, or can make insightful commentary that doesn't include sucking terrorist dick, I suggest you slink back to the CR, where you ilk and commentary are actually expected, tolerated , and acceptable.

Here's the link, please use it:

 

 

Negged for being a lying whiner who can’t hack it in the CR. Maybe it’s you that sucks.

[Brisketexan 104,196]

Extreme language doesn’t get you to moderate. Try  “Irresponsible military action without poor regard for civilian casualties.” 
If Israel wanted to “ethnic cleanse” Gaza, they would be more efficient about it.

They’re doing every bit of ethnic cleansing they think they can get away with. And those actions - and that goal - are supported by numerous posters upthread. They aren’t shy about it. They take the position that one or the other, Jews or Palestinians, must be made “gone” from the levant. They think that the party that should be gone is the Palestinians.
Now, imagine the reception he’d get if someone showed up here and said the EXACT same stuff…but concluded with “so the Jews have to go.” He’d be (rightly) pilloried as an extremist.
This thread is super-fucked.

[Anastasis 23,283]

28 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This thread is super-fucked.

The whole situation is fucked. The question to us as Americans is what should our role be wrt the parties involved moving forward. I am willing to adopt an SLX posture (despite some of his underlying points being demonstrably wrong-headed), but let's take our finger off the scale.  If we are going to let the two go at it and the cards fall as they may, fine. Stop arming and funding differentially one side. Stop running deflection and interference for one side nearly exclusively. Hold both to equivalent standards wrt human rights violations. If we are going to crow about the US-led rules based international order, maybe try to actually act like one exists. Let's call terrorism terrorism consistently. We just make ourselves look foolish otherwise, and it is obvious to people paying attention here and in the rest of the world. 

Edited September 24 by Anastasis

[FartingMonk 3,605]

21 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The whole situation is fucked. The question to us as Americans is what should our role be wrt the parties involved moving forward. I am willing to adopt an SLX posture (despite some of his underlying points being demonstrably wrong-headed), but let's take our finger off the scale.  If we are going to let the two go at it and the cards fall as they may, fine. Stop arming and funding differentially one side. Stop running deflection and interference for one side nearly exclusively. Hold both to equivalent standards wrt human rights violations. If we are going to crow about the US-led rules based international order, maybe try to actually act like one exists. Let's call terrorism terrorism consistently. We just make ourselves look foolish otherwise, and it is obvious to people paying attention here and in the rest of the world. 

You'd have to get rid of AIPAC first.

[Anastasis 23,283]

12 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

You'd have to get rid of AIPAC first.

Shit, I ain't ready to get that bullet in the head. But meh foreign interference in American politics. 

Edited September 24 by Anastasis

[Deej 76,328]

"I had to get a beeper cuz my phone is tapped..."

[MagicSoccerSpray 1,725]

3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Jesus Christ. 

 

2 hours ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Negged for being a lying whiner who can’t hack it in the CR. Maybe it’s you that sucks.

 

Oh look, some more CR turds got squeezed out and decided to pollute other parts of the site. Here is the link, I suggest you use it:

 

 

[MagicSoccerSpray 1,725]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/idf-releases-photos-video-showing-how-hezbollah-hides-missiles-on-launchers-inside-homes

 

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Images released by the IDF show how Hezbollah stores munitions inside civilians homes. According to the military, the long-range missile was on a hydraulic system in the attic of a home in the southern Lebanon village of Houmine al-Tahta. "It is ready to launch from an opening in the roof. Under the attic, on the first floor, a Lebanese family lives, serving as a human shield," IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says in a press conference. "This is an immediate and real threat to Israeli civilians, and we have an obligation to remove it," he adds.

 

[Anastasis 23,283]

 

16 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

Oh look, some more CR turds got squeezed out and decided to pollute other parts of the site. Here is the link, I suggest you use it:

Just what this board needs. Another lunatic with absolutely no grounding and no sense of a moral compass. But have no fear, the US State Department is always hiring. 

[MagicSoccerSpray 1,725]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Another lunatic with absolutely no grounding and no sense of a moral compass.

[Anastasis 23,283]

Imagine running interference for an ethnic cleansing operation and thinking that someone else is the asshole. 

[SL Xpress 7,503]

7 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Actually I think I'm just going to kill myself rather than read another dipshit tell me I should just be ok with my extended family members being killed and their homes taken in the West Bank, and that not being ok with it means I want Palestinians to exterminate Jews.

Seriously, eat shit and don't come to my funeral.

I am not saying you have to be okay with anything. Just don't pretend you're not pro Palestinian when you are. 

I don't think Jews have to be exterminated for the Palestinian side to win. They just need to be removed from Palestine. That's why people like to say they're not anti semitic, they're simply anti Zionist. And then people who are pro Israel try to conflate the two. 

Decolonization is not a metaphor.

But Israelis aren't going anywhere. Ergo the impasse.

[SL Xpress 7,503]

3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

The whole situation is fucked. The question to us as Americans is what should our role be wrt the parties involved moving forward. I am willing to adopt an SLX posture (despite some of his underlying points being demonstrably wrong-headed), but let's take our finger off the scale.  If we are going to let the two go at it and the cards fall as they may, fine. Stop arming and funding differentially one side. Stop running deflection and interference for one side nearly exclusively. Hold both to equivalent standards wrt human rights violations. If we are going to crow about the US-led rules based international order, maybe try to actually act like one exists. Let's call terrorism terrorism consistently. We just make ourselves look foolish otherwise, and it is obvious to people paying attention here and in the rest of the world. 

I don't think any of my posts should be used as the basis for foreign policy. I'm simply pointing out how useless any attempts at a long term peace are. Just because it's useless doesn't mean it's not the best of a lot of bad options. 

It's clear from the beginning where the US foreign policy interests have been ever since the US was the first country to recognize Isreal as a nation in 1947. The alliance has been fraught with difficulties throughout the decades since. The 1973 oil crisis was precipitated by US support for Israel, for example. There's the US Liberty "incident." There's the problem with being supportive of a government actively repressing a population under its control ever since they took over the territories through military victory. 

On the other side the chief advocates fighting for the Palestinian cause are all labeled as terrorist organizations. I don't think it gets more one sided than that.

To me, calling for the US led based international order to be something other than a way for the US to operate in a way that is to its benefit is a little silly. That mentality is how we ended up helping to pave the way for the Ayatollah to take over in Iran, because of all of the human rights violations under the Shah - who was put in power by the US in the first place. There are repressive regimes we've supported as a nation all over the place. Some really famous ones include Pinochet in Chile, two dictatorships in South Korea, Marcos in the Philippines, dictatorships in any number of oil producing countries in Africa and the Middle East.

Then there's the vaunted Arab Spring pushed with substantial US backing to create a more democratic environment in the Middle East. How did that turn out? A few substantially failed states, the end of Mubarak, a key ally in the region, only to eventually see another coup - thank goodness - otherwise it would have been a real disaster in the region. 

This idea that the US should pull support for Israel because what they're doing is wrong is warm and fuzzy, but it's not compelling to me. The fight Israel is in is for their existence. Maybe the US shouldn't support Israel. I do, and I think it makes sense on any number of levels to do so, but maybe I'm wrong on that account. There are very legitimate reasons to support the Palestinian cause. I just don't believe anyone who claims to be a moderate on this issue as anything other than being self serving for the Palestinian cause or genuinely naive. 

Don't forget, the current state of the conflict started with Hamas using a wide spread attack to kill 1200 people and to take 250 hostages. It's not like it was unprecipitated. The current campaign against Hezbollah came after months of near daily rocket attacks. I read an article in the LA Times today that the only solution is a cease fire in Gaza. How about not launch rocket attacks? I get that's a no go, but let's admit that it's a no go in the first place that Hezbollah cease their rocket attacks before we put all the blame on Israel. 

[Anastasis 23,283]

I just can't agree with most of that post, but I do appreciate the honesty in you laying out your perspective. I mean come on. The US led international order-Ayatollah bit is too over the top even for this scene. 

[SL Xpress 7,503]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

I just can't agree with most of that post, but I do appreciate the honesty in you laying out your perspective. I mean come on. The US led international order-Ayatollah bit is too over the top even for this scene. 

Over the top in what way? When Jimmy Carter came to power one of his big priorities was to make human rights the center piece of his foreign policy. The US had brought the Shah to power in 1953 by supporting a coup to overthrow the democratically elected Mohaamed Mosaddegh. It's a pivotal event in the area - not just in Iran, but in the Middle East overall - because it was even more flagrant than usual with the CIA changing the government - ostensibly for anti communist purposes, and maybe that's true, but even more so because it was against both the US and UK's interests in the country's oil. 

Then first under Kennedy/Johnson, and especially later under Kissinger/Nixon, Iran became the flagship recipient of US largesse along with Israel. Iran was going to be the linchpin of US Middle East interests. The Shah built up his military, beefed up his internal security, went after any potential political enemies - including Khomeni who ended up exiled to Iraq, Turkey, and then temporarily in France. He also introduced a number of powerful reforms in the early 60s intended to Westernize the Persians. 

Carter felt like he could work with Khomeni because the two were both deeply religious. The final piece is that the Carter administration helped bring Khomeni back to Iran, and put a stop to an intended coup from the Army to keep the revolution from occurring. Under Carter the Shah felt like the rug had been pulled from under him, especially after the massive support he enjoyed with Kissinger as the Secretary of State. 

Does all of that sound over the top?

Edited September 24 by SL Xpress

[MagicSoccerSpray 1,725]

18 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

The US had brought the Shah to power in 1953 by supporting a coup to overthrow the democratically elected Mohaamed Mosaddegh.

He was never popularly elected, and he was backed by communists and socialists.

[SL Xpress 7,503]

54 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

He was never popularly elected, and he was backed by communists and socialists.

Which doesn't really change much regarding the narrative. 

I don't really care. But the idea that the US subverted the selection of a leader to serve their interests is the main point. The tertiary point is that it's one of the most cited examples of the US historically exerting influence over the region. All I'm saying is that appealing to the US's role as this do gooder in this international rules based order is fine and dandy right up to the point it goes against our interests in some compelling way. Which is why appealing to the US in terms of abiding by an international rules based system when it comes to Israel doesn't have the appeal to me it might to someone else. 

[MagicSoccerSpray 1,725]

 

[Deej 76,328]

5 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

[Conqueeftador 123]

16 hours ago, Anastasis said:

but let's take our finger off the scale.  If we are going to let the two go at it and the cards fall as they may, fine. Stop arming and funding differentially one side. Stop running deflection and interference for one side nearly exclusively.

This is silly. Would Iran then take its "finger off the scale"? Or stop arming and funding differentially one side? Wasted your breath typing that.

12 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

The current campaign against Hezbollah came after months of near daily rocket attacks. I read an article in the LA Times today that the only solution is a cease fire in Gaza. How about not launch rocket attacks? I get that's a no go, but let's admit that it's a no go in the first place that Hezbollah cease their rocket attacks before we put all the blame on Israel. 

This is the crux of the issue and has been why Hezbollah was always going to be targeted next. Israel can't have tens of thousands of people displaced from the north long term.

[Rex Kramer 1,260]

1 hour ago, Conqueeftador said:

This is silly. Would Iran then take its "finger off the scale"? Or stop arming and funding differentially one side? Wasted your breath typing that.

This is the crux of the issue and has been why Hezbollah was always going to be targeted next. Israel can't have tens of thousands of people displaced from the north long term.

He wastes his breath with every post and anyone who reads his posts and Fantana’s posts is wasting their time. As crazy as Brisket and bolverk make me, they’re at least rational and not totally biased.