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7 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

Thanks for the link, but it seems like the only data point stating he's a terrorist is from the Israeli government. From the article, he's gone to court and won monetary judgements over it because they could never produce anything to back their claims

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In 2013, Mr Birawi was designated by Israel as a Hamas operative in Europe and is the head of the Europal Forum, which Israel designated as a terrorist organisation in 2021.
The Europal Forum strongly denied any terror links, and in 2021 Mr Birwani received compensation after taking legal action against a financial database, which he said had wrongly placed him on a terrorism watch list.
He denied ever being involved in any illegal acts within the scope of terrorism crimes.

The article even states that its just being repeated over and over and sourcing the 12 year old claim without evidence from Israel. C'mon, man. Read better.

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2 hours ago, Captainant said:

Thanks for the link, but it seems like the only data point stating he's a terrorist is from the Israeli government. From the article, he's gone to court and won monetary judgements over it because they could never produce anything to back their claims

The article even states that its just being repeated over and over and sourcing the 12 year old claim without evidence from Israel. C'mon, man. Read better.

 

Did you read it? 

 

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Mr Birawi was photographed in 2012 with Ismail Haniyeh, the former Hamas leader who was assassinated last year by an explosive device suspected to have been placed by Israeli agents in his guest house in Tehran.
Mr Birawi was photographed in 2012 with Ismail Haniyeh, the former Hamas leader
Mr Birawi was photographed in 2012 with Ismail Haniyeh, the former Hamas leader

 

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Speaking in the Commons in October 2023, Christian Wakeford, the Labour MP for Bury South, used parliamentary privilege to name 63-year-old Mr Birawi as a Hamas operative living in Barnet, north London.
“He is listed as a trustee of a UK-registered charity, Education Aid for Palestinians, and publicly available video shows him hosting a 2019 event in London titled Understanding Hamas,” Mr Wakeford told MPs.
“Two weeks ago, Hamas launched the deadliest terror attack [the Oct 7 attack on Israel] the world has seen since 9/11. 
“It is therefore a serious national security risk for Hamas operatives to be living here in London, especially where at least one appears to have done so through the use of fake documents in obtaining British citizenship.”

 

Don't try to lawyer ball this, Birawi is an operative. 

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8 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Did you read it? 

 

 

 

Don't try to lawyer ball this, Birawi is an operative. 

I mean, if we want to argue that simply being photographed over a decade ago means you're associates and complicit in their crimes... I don't think you're gonna like where that leads.

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Just to reiterate, the accusations made in parliament that you are highlighting are simply repeating the old claim from Israel. There is no new information or data to back your assertion, and Birawi has won monetary judgements over those unsupported accusations of him being a terrorist. 

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U.K., Canada, Australia and Others Impose Sanctions on Far-Right Israeli Ministers
The coordinated move highlights the hardening of several countries’ stance toward Israel amid the dire humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Five Western countries announced on Tuesday that they would impose sanctions on two far-right Israeli cabinet ministers, a remarkable rebuke of Israel’s leadership and a striking escalation of Western pressure on Israel over settler violence in the West Bank and the conduct of the war in Gaza.

Australia, Britain, Canada, New Zealand and Norway jointly imposed the sanctions, which will restrict the right to travel and will freeze the financial assets of the Israeli security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir; and the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich.

Mr. Smotrich and Mr. Ben-Gvir are among the most hard-line members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet. Both have called for the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza in statements that the British foreign secretary, David Lammy, has previously condemned as “monstrous.”

“Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich have incited extremist violence and serious abuses of Palestinian human rights,” Mr. Lammy and the foreign ministers of the four other countries said in a joint statement on Tuesday. “That is why we have taken action now — to hold those responsible to account.”

While the measures are in response to violence in the West Bank, British officials said they were also calculated to ratchet up the pressure on Mr. Netanyahu’s government to negotiate a cease-fire with Hamas in Gaza, at a time when the humanitarian situation in the enclave had become increasingly dire.

The Israeli foreign minister, Gideon Saar, reacted defiantly, describing the move as “unacceptable,” and saying the government would meet next week to discuss a response.

“It is outrageous that elected representatives and members of the government are subjected to these kind of measures,” Mr. Saar said.

The move to blacklist Mr. Ben-Gvir and Mr. Smotrich had been weeks in the making and came after Britain, Canada and France issued a stark statement last month about the treatment of civilians in Gaza.

But France did not join in imposing sanctions on Mr. Smotrich and Mr. Ben-Gvir, illustrating some differences in how allies are approaching Israel. British officials said they had sounded out officials in the Trump administration about the planned move in recent weeks and had not encountered strong resistance.

In their joint statement, the five countries said, “We will strive to achieve an immediate cease-fire in Gaza, the immediate release of the remaining hostages by Hamas, which can have no future role in the governance of Gaza, a surge in aid, and a path to a two-state solution.”

Speaking in Parliament in late May, Mr. Lammy denounced Israel’s conduct of the war. He said that Britain would suspend talks on a trade agreement and blasted comments by Mr. Smotrich about “cleansing” Gaza and moving its two million people to other countries.

“We must call this what it is,” Mr. Lammy said. “It is extremism. It is dangerous. It is repellent. It is monstrous.”

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I encourage all those nations (especially those that have recognized a Palestinian state) to establish consulates in Gaza and the West Bank. 

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Posted
9 hours ago, Captainant said:

Just to reiterate, the accusations made in parliament that you are highlighting are simply repeating the old claim from Israel. There is no new information or data to back your assertion, and Birawi has won monetary judgements over those unsupported accusations of him being a terrorist. 

 

What makes you think the parliamentary information didn't come from British intelligence? And Birawi winning judgements in civil court doesn't mean anything, he publicly supported Hamas before Oct 7th, and he publicly supported Hamas after Oct 7th. He is an agent.

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16 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

What makes you think the parliamentary information didn't come from British intelligence? And Birawi winning judgements in civil court doesn't mean anything, he publicly supported Hamas before Oct 7th, and he publicly supported Hamas after Oct 7th. He is an agent.

I haven't been following this closely, but is there any evidence that the parliamentary information came from British intelligence?

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6 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Evidence? Is this a courtroom, or a classroom? Lawyer-ball isn't going to cut anymore.

My question was more about how you phrased yours.  You asked, "What makes you think the parliamentary information didn't come from British intelligence"?  My question back to you was essentially, "what makes you think the parliamentary information came from British intelligence?"

 

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23 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

My question back to you was essentially, "what makes you think the parliamentary information came from British intelligence?"

 

That it came from a British parliamentarian? British Intelligence would have access and motive to to surveil on home turf. 

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59 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

That it came from a British parliamentarian? British Intelligence would have access and motive to to surveil on home turf. 

Again, I haven't been following this story so I don't know the details.  To which member of Parliament are you referring?  What is the underlying story?  I was under the impression from your comment that this accusation was being made by the Israelis based on presumably Israeli intelligence.

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10 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Again, I haven't been following this story so I don't know the details.  To which member of Parliament are you referring?  What is the underlying story?  I was under the impression from your comment that this accusation was being made by the Israelis based on presumably Israeli intelligence.

The guy seems like a real straight shooter and a class act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Wakeford

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I’m just super glad that we went in the “no more hawkish neocons” direction. Of course, being that we chose the “insane criminal autocrats creating repeated/endless war to cement their grip on power” direction as the alternative…maybe not a real good move there.

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45 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

This may not be the thread for it but shit seems about ready to go down in Iran

 

Its likely to go down but not all the embassies are evacuated.  Baghdad is sending home non-essential staff.  Bahrain and Kuwait are offering evac to families if they want it. 

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ah don't worry bout it. ain't nothing gonna happen. everyone in power has everyone's best intentions in mind. 

i'm rolling into my no nuke friday with not a worry to be had my Gs

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Posted
14 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

This may not be the thread for it but shit seems about ready to go down in Iran

 

 

13 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Its likely to go down but not all the embassies are evacuated.  Baghdad is sending home non-essential staff.  Bahrain and Kuwait are offering evac to families if they want it. 

 

11 hours ago, HenryJames said:

No idea if true.

Probably needs a new thread at this point but it seems like the no new wars admin is about to send us face first into a war with Iran.

Five Signs War With Iran Could Be Imminent - Newsweek

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Relevant:

Reading between the lines with these developments and based on Iran’s tone reportedly shifting in negotiations, Iran may have finally reached the tipping point on enrichment to weapons grade and Israel has decided it’s now or never. Either that or this is one big final bluff to get a deal. 
 

Someone do a wellness check on Tucker Carlson. 

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'member when there was a deal in place to keep Iran from doing just that, which entitled us to oversight and access to verify their compliance? Who was the genius that tore that up, only to try and put it back together again?

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

'member when there was a deal in place to keep Iran from doing just that, which entitled us to oversight and access to verify their compliance? Who was the genius that tore that up, only to try and put it back together again?

*That Iran was fully compliant with and even tried to remain compliant with after the deal was torn up for no fucking reason.

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20 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I’m just super glad that we went in the “no more hawkish neocons” direction. Of course, being that we chose the “insane criminal autocrats creating repeated/endless war to cement their grip on power” direction as the alternative…maybe not a real good move there.

6 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Probably needs a new thread at this point but it seems like the no new wars admin is about to send us face first into a war with Iran.

Five Signs War With Iran Could Be Imminent - Newsweek

Iran is not a part of that "no more new wars" thing.

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7 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Iran is not a part of that "no more new wars" thing.

The president liked Top Gun Maverick so much he's ordering up the next one

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Yes, I am sure the Iranians fully complied just like North Korea would and Russia and China.

But we know who in here would rather see Iran win in this argument to spite our President.

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7 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I don’t understand how this became the repository for “I have such bad TDS that I’m gonna apologize for the fucking Iranians”, but here we are. Can we please stop pretending under more competent leadership, the Iranians behaved?  They did not. 

Umm, can you point to a single post which you would characterize as "apologiz[ing] for the fucking Iranians", much less the repository for such posts? I see posts and tweets saying Iran was compliant with the previous deal (which Trump nullified), seems like you are saying they weren't? Independent bodies seem like they think Iran complied. @WineGuy69 - you also. Any actual evidence to say the UN nuclear watchdog is wrong or just "my team says so"?

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4 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Umm, can you point to a single post which you would characterize as "apologiz[ing] for the fucking Iranians", much less the repository for such posts? I see posts and tweets saying Iran was compliant with the previous deal (which Trump nullified), seems like you are saying they weren't? Independent bodies seem like they think Iran complied. @WineGuy69 - you also. Any actual evidence to say the UN nuclear watchdog is wrong or just "my team says so"?

Common sense knows the answer. Dealings with Russians in exchange for scientists and technology. 

But if you want to go full lawyer ball "wElL tHe WaLl sT jOurNal sAId tHey aRe cOmpLianT!!!!!, ShOW mE pRooF!!!!" ok do you brother. 

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Posted (edited)
22 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Its likely to go down but not all the embassies are evacuated.  Baghdad is sending home non-essential staff.  Bahrain and Kuwait are offering evac to families if they want it. 

Evac in case of war hits close to my family’s homes. 
Mom & brothers were evacuated Stateside from Alaska in 1942 because of the japanese invasion & occupation of some Aleutian Islands. 
When I was in junior high school in Taipei during the 1958 Taiwan Strait Crisis, we were packed up and ready to evacuate immediately in case the Chicoms were actually going to invade the island 10 miles from our neighborhood. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

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14 minutes ago, WineGuy69 said:

Yes, I am sure the Iranians fully complied just like North Korea would and Russia and China.

But we know who in here would rather see Iran win in this argument to spite our President.

I  am hard pressed to find anyone here who would need an excuse to spite our President, based on the fact that he is a criminal piece of shit.

 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Well, Bibi’s coalition was about to collapse. So he had to do something to prevent that or else he’d go to prison.

 

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1 hour ago, Armybrat said:

Evac in case of war hits close to my family’s homes. 
Mom & brothers were evacuated Stateside from Alaska in 1942 because of the japanese invasion & occupation of some Aleutian Islands. 
When I was in junior high school in Taipei during the 1958 Taiwan Strait Crisis, we were packed up and ready to evacuate immediately in case the Chicoms were actually going to invade the island 10 miles from our neighborhood. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

Likely to be now some more ordered departures. Israel says the operation will last “weeks.”

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