Israel-Hamas war thread

[Pescado_Rojo 19583]

3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Probably a Brad Thor novel.  I've never read any of his stuff, but have seen it in airports, and every cover I've seen resembles the plot you just outlined.

 

Back before Netflix let you download shit to watch later, I'd read a couple books a week when I traveled for work. I read the first half dozen or so of his books. Entertaining, like most books of the genre, but not nearly as well researched as say the OG Clancy books. Dalton Fury's books were better as he was actually Ex-Delta, but he passed away  (fuck cancer) in 2017.  

[atomheartbevo 90636]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

What atf letter? I can’t find anything on the google machine. 

Don't know either - Google is full of too much stuff from past years, but a few days ago a neighbor who co-owns a gun store in the area mentioned that the ATF is worried about cartel activity later this year, so it could be related to that. He seemed to think it was related to one cartel moving against another, but he has a lot of stories about shit going down in Mexico, and I doubt the ATF is feeding him information, and any notices about travel would be put out by the State Department.  He could probably write some interesting novels though.

[Boss Hogg 808]

My cousin that lives in Tel Aviv says he received an advisory to collect 3 days worth of food and water etc. I don’t know if that means something is imminent or just general wartime preparedness. FWIW he says he’s not that surprised by the attack. He’s lives there for a couple years and says tensions have risen recently. 

[atomheartbevo 90636]

3 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Back before Netflix let you download shit to watch later, I'd read a couple books a week when I traveled for work. I read the first half dozen or so of his books. Entertaining, like most books of the genre, but not nearly as well researched as say the OG Clancy books. Dalton Fury's books were better as he was actually Ex-Delta, but he passed away  (fuck cancer) in 2017.  

I've tried to explain to younger people the difference between OG Clancy and the later Clancy (in name only) stuff as well as others who have jumped into the mix, and it's hard.  I don't know if it's partly the time that stuff was written in, or how much detail went into Clancy novels, or both, but they view the whole genre as schlock.

[InkaUtexas 26860]

4 minutes ago, Boss Hogg said:

My cousin that lives in Tel Aviv says he received an advisory to collect 3 days worth of food and water etc. I don’t know if that means something is imminent or just general wartime preparedness. FWIW he says he’s not that surprised by the attack. He’s lives there for a couple years and says tensions have risen recently. 

They announced that across the nation. Started in the north last night. But I believe everyone should have 5 days of food, water, etc all the time. 

[MisterP 127]

Confirmed my buddies cousin's fiance was murdered, found the body in Be'eri Massacre

He was on duty and tasked to go help defend Kibbutz Be'eri. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/testimonies-from-beeri-massacre-expose-deep-trauma-predating-israels-creation/

 

[Brisketexan 106875]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I've tried to explain to younger people the difference between OG Clancy and the later Clancy (in name only) stuff as well as others who have jumped into the mix, and it's hard.  I don't know if it's partly the time that stuff was written in, or how much detail went into Clancy novels, or both, but they view the whole genre as schlock.

When I was a freshman in high school, one of our English class assignments was to "write a book."  The point being that the teacher wanted you to try to write a couple of chapters of something.  Being a 14 yr old who had gobbled up everything Clancy had written to date, as well as anything remotely like it, I decided to write a story with the following premise: POTUS visits San Antonio.  Terrorists in old -school surplus Hueys intercept the motorcade on an elevated highway; land on either end, with a gunship taking out Secret Service.  They snatch POTUS, and take him to......THE ALAMO, to make a real publicity splash.  

My written product never got past that point.  Which trust me, is very much for the best.  Even as I wrote it, I kept thinking "this sounded a lot cooler in my head, now that I'm writing it, it's shit."

And like that, "Action Novelist" ended up on the list of "careers that Brisket won't be able to pull off," right next to "skinny male fashion model" and "successful fishing guide who can actually catch fish."

[DDD Dad 14644]

1 hour ago, HouTex said:

A discussion about whether Iran is in fact funding Hamas is political?  

That’s not what the discussion is about and you know it. 

[Schulz2.0 29280]

 

 

[Ted Lange 16407]

 

[msucolt45 4227]

Confirmed my buddies cousin's fiance was murdered, found the body in Be'eri Massacre

He was on duty and tasked to go help defend Kibbutz Be'eri. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/testimonies-from-beeri-massacre-expose-deep-trauma-predating-israels-creation/
 

I can’t “like” that post at all, even though in-depth” knowledge is attached. Sorry for his loss.

Hook’em!!!

[MNLonghornFUKM 8975]

Confirmed my buddies cousin's fiance was murdered, found the body in Be'eri Massacre

He was on duty and tasked to go help defend Kibbutz Be'eri. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/testimonies-from-beeri-massacre-expose-deep-trauma-predating-israels-creation/
 

Absolutely horrific.

[msucolt45 4227]

I’m just worried about the potential “hornets nest” that might bring other countries to be involved. No boots on the ground for this, at least not yet. Just saying!

Hook’em!!!

[DDD Dad 14644]

6 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

 

[Harrison Stafford 3392]

4 minutes ago, msucolt45 said:

I’m just worried about the potential “hornets nest” that might bring other countries to be involved. No boots on the ground for this, at least not yet. Just saying!

Hook’em!!!

Please, God.  No boots on the ground.

[msucolt45 4227]

Fng “sand box” whether over the hundreds of years of property boundaries or just religious beliefs, this shit ain’t getting settled in the next couple of weeks! Hate is actually more than Texas vs OUsucks!

Hook’em!!!

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

16 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

if true, he's toast

[Deej 77806]

14 minutes ago, msucolt45 said:

I’m just worried about the potential “hornets nest” that might bring other countries to be involved. No boots on the ground for this, at least not yet. Just saying!

Hook’em!!!

What if it's aggy boys in boots and shorts?

[SHOOTER12 8886]

On 10/9/2023 at 10:58 AM, Wally Fairway said:

Hopefully not - but turn the question, can Hamas really hold onto a few hostages and allow that to happen to the Palestinians?

Sure they can, they're heathens who don't give a fuck.

[msucolt45 4227]

I just hope that there is some form of cell phone tracker, that the good guys can use, because they’ve posted “hostage” videos, so they can triangulate and get them before the inevitable.

Hook’em!!!

[InkaUtexas 26860]

We don't know what they are posting. Could just be bodies of those they already killed. Could be hostages in a tunnel. Israel knows how to track phones. 

[Parliament 14593]

28 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

He's gonna get fired, right?

[Viper 12219]

 

 

Theis was back in 2010, I think you see the seeds of all the university groups coming out in support of rape and child murder as students like this grew in number and influence. I had to watch twice to make sure I heard it right. Her response at the end was chilling. 

 

 

[mchookem 16765]

30 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

 

[YGIFS 19458]

Well, the "What about Free Speech on Campuses?" debate just took a weird fucking turn.  

Speaking of that, this will be incredibly insightful panel of serious, serious people.  Probably gonna be a dick or two in the audience but come to our alma mater and listen to some inside baseball on all of this.  Amazing who they got together on such short notice.  Brisket's buying beers afterwards.  

https://www.clementscenter.org/event/israels-9-11-the-hamas-terrorist-attacks-and-the-future-of-mideast-security/

[Woodrow Call 494]

Seems like a poor choice.

[Frank Drebin 5834]

 

 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5901]

14 minutes ago, Viper said:

 

 

Theis was back in 2010, I think you see the seeds of all the university groups coming out in support of rape and child murder as students like this grew in number and influence. I had to watch twice to make sure I heard it right. Her response at the end was chilling. 

 

 

God damn, credit to her for finally having the balls to admit she is for Hamas and Hezbollah, and good for him to continue pushing 

[Ted Lange 16407]

This BLM shit needs to be in the cloakroom.  

[YGIFS 19458]

8 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

 

NoCR, "Hey look the Pro-Hamas rally in Dearborn drew a bigger crowd than the President's UAW rally!"  

Seriously though, Detroit has a disproportionately large Palestinian population (reminds me of the Somalis in the Twin Cities).  But that video is a pretty weird fucking sight, in all honesty.  I am morbidly curious as to what I'm gonna see/hear on campus tomorrow and Thursday from student/student groups.  I'm sure there's assistant professors fumbling with scotch tape right now to get the right signage posted on their office windows for all to see.  

[HouTex 1939]

54 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

That’s not what the discussion is about and you know it. 

Uh, no.   My reply (albeit short and sweet) to Armybrat was about one thing—whether Iran is funding Hamas.  That money (obviously) is fungible goes to the heart of it.  Nothing political about that.  Nice try, though.  If there’s a discussion about whether the US or the world should do something about Iran’s role in this then that would be political.  I avoid the political discussions in Surly like the plague and I won’t engage in that discussion.  And by the way, apologies in advance if I missed them, but I didn’t see your “CR is ——> way” remark to the 20+ smarmy posts about neocons and other right wingers in this thread.  Those posts are as political as it gets.  

[Schulz2.0 29280]

 

[SizzleChest 8313]

2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

I'm not sure about that.

For one thing, I don't think it's at all clear that Iran is coordinating this.  Iran supports Hamas; that's apparent.  But I don't know that Iran put Hamas up to this.

If Iran were coordinating this, it seems to me that you'd also have Hizbullah also attacking Israel from the north.  The fact that you don't see anything more than a handful of rocket attacks--something that could be put together on a very spur-of-the-moment basis--indicates to me that Hamas may have completely Leroy Jenkinsed this shit.

But for another, Israel has its hands full right now.  It still has infiltrators trying to kill Israelis in Israel. It doesn't yet have its defenses fully manned in the north.  I don't think it really wants to bite off a full-scale war against a major regional power without first securing its own situation.

Yes.  Dan Senor's assessment was this was 1) a 50th anniversary-Tet offensive styled surprise attack and 2) it was for the express purpose of slowing down Israel-KSA normalization.  

Hamas is Iran's puppet, but with Hizbollah not involved directly or any clear signals that Russia or China directed Iran to order this, this seems like the most plausible rationale.

Edited October 10, 2023 by SizzleChest

[InkaUtexas 26860]

So Hamas lost a reported 1500 to murder 1200? 

[Viper 12219]

If you're a fellow roman history buff, then you know

 

 

[ztejas 44223]

1 hour ago, Deej said:

What if it's aggy boys in boots and shorts?

[Parliament 14593]

16 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

So Hamas lost a reported 1500 to murder 1200? 

We didn't lose the war; we ran out of martyrs.

[YGIFS 19458]

Hamas:  Home of the 12,000th Man.  

[DDD Dad 14644]

43 minutes ago, HouTex said:

Uh, no.   My reply (albeit short and sweet) to Armybrat was about one thing—whether Iran is funding Hamas.  That money (obviously) is fungible goes to the heart of it.  Nothing political about that.  Nice try, though.  If there’s a discussion about whether the US or the world should do something about Iran’s role in this then that would be political.  I avoid the political discussions in Surly like the plague and I won’t engage in that discussion.  And by the way, apologies in advance if I missed them, but I didn’t see your “CR is ——> way” remark to the 20+ smarmy posts about neocons and other right wingers in this thread.  Those posts are as political as it gets.  

They were reported. And the very first post was very much an attempt to spur a political discussion. Troph’s response was factual. I don’t recall yours. I quoted the responses because they were continuing to derail the thread. 
 

Good day, sir. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by DDD Dad

[Frank Drebin 5834]

3 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

“But what was the strategic motivation?  What’s the next move?”  As if we’re talking about Gary Kasparov and not terrorists mass murdering civilians of a country that has a million times more military might than they do.

I don’t think this was the first shoe to drop in their master plan.  They sought vengeance on people they hate, and they’re going to get wiped out now.  It wouldn’t exactly be a new paradigm for how these things go.

Yep.  We aren’t talking about the brightest group of people.  Lot of inbreeding for generations.  One third marry a first cousin. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Frank Drebin

[Boss Hogg 808]

2 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

“But what was the strategic motivation?  What’s the next move?”  As if we’re talking about Gary Kasparov and not terrorists mass murdering civilians of a country that has a million times more military might than they do.

I don’t think this was the first shoe to drop in their master plan.  They sought vengeance on people they hate, and they’re going to get wiped out now.  It wouldn’t exactly be a new paradigm for how these things go.

Terrorists want to terrorize people. 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5901]

2 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

“But what was the strategic motivation?  What’s the next move?”  As if we’re talking about Gary Kasparov and not terrorists mass murdering civilians of a country that has a million times more military might than they do.

I don’t think this was the first shoe to drop in their master plan.  They sought vengeance on people they hate, and they’re going to get wiped out now.  It wouldn’t exactly be a new paradigm for how these things go.

Can we just skip forward to Iran finding out? 

[Bevo 13870]

59 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

This BLM shit needs to be in the cloakroom.  

No it doesn't - I want to know who wants Jews dead.

[Bevo 13870]

3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

I'm not sure about that.

For one thing, I don't think it's at all clear that Iran is coordinating this.  Iran supports Hamas; that's apparent.  But I don't know that Iran put Hamas up to this.

If Iran were coordinating this, it seems to me that you'd also have Hizbullah also attacking Israel from the north.  The fact that you don't see anything more than a handful of rocket attacks--something that could be put together on a very spur-of-the-moment basis--indicates to me that Hamas may have completely Leroy Jenkinsed this shit.

But for another, Israel has its hands full right now.  It still has infiltrators trying to kill Israelis in Israel. It doesn't yet have its defenses fully manned in the north.  I don't think it really wants to bite off a full-scale war against a major regional power without first securing its own situation.

Plus, I think it takes 7 days for a carrier task force to go from Norfolk to the ME.

[Message Board User 12405]

 

[Boss Hogg 808]

So I’m curious how the Israeli strategy evolves. An account from a vet that I won’t link said this would be a nightmare for ground troops to try to clear. Not sure how you go about it all. 
 

 

[F250 29195]

6 hours ago, Handcruser said:

Man when you combine the emergency broadcast test and the ATF letter to FFL’s in Texas last week - fucking something is going on.

Don't forget Mexican aliens.

[Frank Drebin 5834]

 

 

[MissingInAction 25554]

1 hour ago, Boss Hogg said:

So I’m curious how the Israeli strategy evolves. An account from a vet that I won’t link said this would be a nightmare for ground troops to try to clear. Not sure how you go about it all. 
 

 

Fallujah Part 2: Hamas Boogaloo.

Edited October 11, 2023 by MissingInAction
I can't spell. Apologize for any disrespect to the soldiers who fought and died there.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8975]