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1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

I guess it depends on how much Israel is willing to accept fuckery wrt Iran?

 

What is Iran's military capability right now? The drones they gave to Russia and some human waves like it's 1980?

Iran’s power projection capacity is extremely limited. Their Air Force’s best assets are F-14s they haven’t been able to maintain and some MiG-29s and Su-24s that are likely in terrible shape. There is no real threat that they are able to directly intervene with Israel.

There is a lot of space between Iran and Israel. There is no hope for Iran to deploy ground or naval assets into a place to threaten Israel.  None. 
 

There are some ballistic missiles that have that range but Israel’s retaliatory capacity far outstrips their capabilities there. 
 

Their real play is asymmetric and drawing us offsides elsewhere. 

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yep, and Iran can hit soft targets via proxies as they have proven more than a few times. 

One thing they have is the ability to use Syrian assets. Sure, we got US troops in Syria, but not sure we could stop the movement of equipment and people. So yeah, artillery and human waves. Sprinkle in some terror acts and away we go. 

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Worth pointing out that there’d be no political space to do this if the admin hadn’t come out hard in support of Israel rhetorically. Without going further at risk of CR, it’s notable how limited the political jockeying at home has been around this. 

A coworker asked why there was so much support for Israel.  I told him to look up AIPAC.  

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1 hour ago, FartingMonk said:

A coworker asked why there was so much support for Israel.  I told him to look up AIPAC.  

Lol. Let me lay something out for you real quick because you might find it interesting.

I'm a political moderate that right now leans conservative but that is fiercely liberal on certain issues to where I will vote dem for major offices (voted Biden 2020 and dem Gov/Lt Gov/Att gen in TX in 2022 - pretty much on abortion both times).

I don't like big government. By default I don't trust people in positions of power. I'm an avid conspiracy theorist. I am willing to believe in almost anything that makes sense to me as long as someone presents it intelligently with supporting, objective/verifiable information. Shit - I'd be willing to believe that the Jews have a secret plan in place to install a NWO and put themselves in positions of ultimate power if someone presented it to me in the right way.

Basically - I'm the last fucking person that would be swung in any fucking direction by a PAC or partisan political agenda - and I'm not woke or liable to believe that certain groups are always at fault no matter what. 

 

That said, my support for Israel is almost totally unwavering. Because at the end of the day I'm a passionate American. I believe in what this country was founded upon and I believe in what it continues to at least try and stand for at the fringes. I believe in what the founding fathers believed in and I think it's the blueprint for just governance. 

And AS SUCH I have a serious fucking problem with terroristic actors who would like to see humanity returned to a stone age of theocratic rule in which rights for no one but the ruling class are protected and in which individual life is valued far less than totalitarian, genocidal ideals. 

And - I also know that there are millions - if not billions - of people around the globe who have a decent moral compass and possess some semblance of common sense that would agree with that assessment. 

I don't need a fucking PAC to get me to side with Israel. Neither do most people. Neither does anyone in the United States congress. 

Fuck Hamas and fuck that shitstain ideology that does nothing but cause pain and retard progress. I hope we can find a way to separate it from Islam as a whole and come together globally to repair that region. I of course have my doubts. 

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4 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

There’s some strong WWI vibes of no one wanting to go to war but no one really feeling like they have a choice here, BTW.

With the added complexity of some actors (in Hamas and Hizbollah) that are apocalyptic and believe God will prevail for them if they have faith.  FWIW, I don’t think Iranian leadership believes that. But their legitimacy inside Iran rests on them ACTING as though they believe it so it might not make a difference. 

And that one turned out so well. 😬

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42 minutes ago, ztejas said:

That said, my support for Israel is almost totally unwavering. Because at the end of the day I'm a passionate American. I believe in what this country was founded upon and I believe in what it continues to at least try and stand for at the fringes. I believe in what the founding fathers believed in and I think it's the blueprint for just governance. 

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I'm an avid conspiracy theorist. I am willing to believe in almost anything that makes sense to me as long as someone presents it intelligently with supporting, objective/verifiable information. Shit - I'd be willing to believe that the Jews have a secret plan in place to install a NWO and put themselves in positions of ultimate power if someone presented it to me in the right way.

What if I told you that the secret plan starts with Fran Drescher being put in charge of the Screen Actors Guild?

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16 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

BNO reporting Muslim shooter. AP reporting the shooting, not making that allegation. BNO has been a good source in the past. 

 

https://apnews.com/article/belgium-shooting-swedes-dead-d023a72119dc73ffca7cc61b7a32a955

BRUSSELS (AP) — Two people were killed in a shooting late Monday in central Brussels, Belgian police said. 

Media reports aired amateur videos showing a man shooting several times near a station using a large weapon, and Belgian broadcasters said the two victims were Swedes. The Swedish national team was scheduled to play Belgium at Heysel Stadium later in the evening, some 3 miles (5 kilometers) away. 

Police spokeswoman Ilse Vande Keere said officers arrived soon at the scene, and sealed off the immediate neighborhood. She declined to elaborate on the circumstances of the shooting. 

The shooting came at a time of increased vigilance linked to the ongoing Israel-Hamas war that has heightened tension in several European nations.

Said he was inspired by ISIS. They believe he purposefully targeted Swedes due to the Quran burnings.

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14 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

It's a weird dynamic - Israel's 9 million vs Iran's 88 million, but Israel is much better armed with high-tech and tested equipment - Iran has drones and missiles that they've been selling Russia, and of the stuff that could reach Israel, I doubt the Saudis/Iraqis/Turks want it flying overhead.

Meanwhile, Israel is preparing their tanks

 

I assume to protect from drone shenanigans?

 

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21 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Most likely, but also if they are in urban settings, people tossing shit out of windows above them (Molotov cocktails, etc.).

This.  And shaped charge warheads like the RPG and others that can attack from the top from as elevated position.  

This is just beginning.  Shock and awe is coming to a head, now it's time for the ground assault.  

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I highly recommend The Looming Tower series on Hulu.

Aside from the infuriating failure of our government re 9/11, it gives great insight into the Arab culture and al Queada/terrorism in general. 

The lunatics want us and the jews the absolute fuck out of what they consider their holy lands. Full stop. There will never be a compromise.

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15 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

I highly recommend The Looming Tower series on Hulu.

Aside from the infuriating failure of our government re 9/11, it gives great insight into the Arab culture and al Queada/terrorism in general. 

The lunatics want us and the jews the absolute fuck out of what they consider their holy lands. Full stop. There will never be a compromise.

And we'll never leave because we have too many interests there.  So here we are. 

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31 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

I highly recommend The Looming Tower series on Hulu.

 

The book is even better. Written and narrated by Austin based Lawrence Wright who also wrote God Save Texas: A Journey into the Soul of the Lone Star State which was depressingly fantastic too.

 

Who knew that the sluty women of Greeley, Colorado would be the cause of 9/11? 

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Israel is in an impossible situation due to (1) the cultural desire of their neighbors to eradicate them making negotiation a failure fait accompli, (2) the very nature of a terrorist organization controlling Gaza how they act, fight and govern from that terrorist mindset (see how the Palestinians are fucked below), (3) the attitude of Palestinian neighbors who will not render aid, and (4) the military objective to eliminate Hamas.

The Palestinian people are in an impossible situation due to (1) their military and current political power lies in the hands of a terrorist organization, (2) that terrorist organization uses them as a weapon and steals the limited resources given to the Palestinians, (3) broader motivations exist in the region to cause conflict at their expense, (4) their education system is so effed up they are brainwashed to hate their Israeli/Jewish neighbors to further ensure a fighter pipeline among young men and to reinforce cultural attitudes, (5) their Arab neighbors do not want them in their own country, and (6) their political and military leadership had the wise idea just last week to fire 6500 rockets on Israel and to go on a murderous and kidnapping spree.

I hope now that some senior Hamas leadership is dead Israel now shows restraint, I hope they achieve their objective, I hope human lives can be preserved, but I don't see much in reality other than more war and more death.

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1 minute ago, troph said:

Israel is in an impossible situation due to (1) the cultural desire of their neighbors to eradicate them making negotiation a failure fait accompli, (2) the very nature of a terrorist organization controlling Gaza how they act, fight and govern from that terrorist mindset (see how the Palestinians are fucked below), (3) the attitude of Palestinian neighbors who will not render aid, and (4) the military objective to eliminate Hamas.

The Palestinian people are in an impossible situation due to (1) their military and current political power lies in the hands of a terrorist organization, (2) that terrorist organization uses them as a weapon and steals the limited resources given to the Palestinians, (3) broader motivations exist in the region to cause conflict at their expense, (4) their education system is so effed up they are brainwashed to hate their Israeli/Jewish neighbors to further ensure a fighter pipeline among young men and to reinforce cultural attitudes, (5) their Arab neighbors do not want them in their own country, and (6) their political and military leadership had the wise idea just last week to fire 6500 rockets on Israel and to go on a murderous and kidnapping spree.

I hope now that some senior Hamas leadership is dead Israel now shows restraint, I hope they achieve their objective, I hope human lives can be preserved, but I don't see much in reality other than more war and more death.

It seems there has been some pressure from the US to show restraint. Hopefully that continues to limit casualties.

Just now, bolverk said:

Might want to slow your roll on Jordan. They already host about 2.4 million refugees, which I imagine in a country of 10 million is about all they can handle.

I mean why bother looking something up when you can read a tweet and get mad instead?

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6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Might want to slow your roll on Jordan. They already host about 2.4 million refugees, which I imagine in a country of 10 million is about all they can handle.

not shitting on Jordan specifically, just the fact that basically the entire Arab world does the absolute minimum for the Palestinians because of where they are and the fact they can use them as a stick to beat Israel with.

Jordan has a ton of Palestinian and Syrian refugees there, not sure where your # is from but I've seen about 2m registered Pal. and the thought is there is another like 1.3m Syrian refugees there (like half registered with UNRWA)

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15 minutes ago, troph said:

Israel is in an impossible situation due to (1) the cultural desire of their neighbors to eradicate them making negotiation a failure fait accompli,

Just give them Oregon. Or New Zealand. 10x the space and far away from the ‘Rabs. 

Everybody wins. 

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17 minutes ago, NoName said:

not shitting on Jordan specifically, just the fact that basically the entire Arab world does the absolute minimum for the Palestinians because of where they are and the fact they can use them as a stick to beat Israel with.

 

This.  Egypt especially says hold my beer as they share a border with the strip and have done basically fuck all to alleviate things.  

2 minutes ago, Deej said:

Leave New Zealand alone. 

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34 minutes ago, NoName said:

not shitting on Jordan specifically, just the fact that basically the entire Arab world does the absolute minimum for the Palestinians because of where they are and the fact they can use them as a stick to beat Israel with.

Jordan has a ton of Palestinian and Syrian refugees there, not sure where your # is from but I've seen about 2m registered Pal. and the thought is there is another like 1.3m Syrian refugees there (like half registered with UNRWA)

I got the number of Palestinian refugees in Jordan from this dataset published by the UN, which listed 2,334,789 in 2021 and 2,365,090 in 2022, the most recent year. I rounded up to 2.4 million.

https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/download/?url=0zZg7O

Also, it should be noted an additional 2.5 million or so Palestinians are refugees inside Gaza or the West Bank, according to the dataset listed above. If you estimate the total Palestinian population of both Gaza and the West Bank to be roughly 5.5 million, that means about 45% of all Palestinians living in either territory are refugees. That sounds like a grim situation.

Finally, the same dataset shows Lebanon hosting close to 500,000 and Syria close to 600,000.

I won't argue the wider responsibility of the Arab world, including Egypt here. Some of this conversation can get a little CR, so I'm not going to go any further.

 

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