Israel-Hamas war thread

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14 hours ago, Bevo said:

let's not get into this shit. Good people and bad people come from all over.

Yes, it would be best that people leave out their second hand anecdotal stories of my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend said these people I interacted with on a selective basis are the "worst". Everyone can come away from a region with complicit bias and working for the state department doesn't make them immune from internal prejudice.

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2 hours ago, Viper said:

 

 

thots and yoga poses. 🙏

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53 minutes ago, wackawacka said:

thots and yoga poses. 🙏

Spred legs 4 peas

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looks like it might be some variation of their party's flag

 

Edited October 21, 2023 by Viper

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25 minutes ago, Viper said:

 

Love that Gazan pizza!

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More of that Forensic Architecture thread getting torn to pieces. The “artillery crater” from Ukraine they use as a comparator is in fact a crater from a Grad strike.

 

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 NM 

Edited October 21, 2023 by 956 Worldwide

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[InkaUtexas 25,486]

Anyone hearing anything about this? 

 

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I had seen it but was waiting for more info. It seems hard to believe that this could be something else than a hate crime related to the war, but it’s not impossible.  An awful thing.

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That's why I was wondering. Could have been a disgruntled paper boy, and few will believe it was not motivated by events. 

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On 10/19/2023 at 5:41 PM, atomheartbevo said:

Intercepting three cruise missiles out of Yemen and half-a-dozen drones or so with just one destroyer....nice capabilities.

But it's the USS Carney though.

Does it smell like cabbage and does it have small (deck)hands?

But how much of their ammo did they deplete? Looks like just another way that drones are changing the game. 
 

 

 

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So it puts into Djibouti or Oman where it resupplies. There is a reason we have bases in that region. 

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I wonder why we are downplaying the firing of cruise missiles from Yemen. It seems like we are trying to avoid blaming Iran.

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I don't think we are. They launch them all the time. Perhaps part of it is we don't want them launched out our base in Djibouti which is pretty damn close. 

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4 hours ago, Boss Hogg said:

But how much of their ammo did they deplete? Looks like just another way that drones are changing the game. 
 

 

 

One thing to keep in mind is that in a real war, adversaries will not be able to sit back and launch cruise missiles unhindered, we have our own. 

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/rockets-attack-targets-iraqi-base-housing-us-forces-army-sources-2023-10-22/

 

ANBAR, Iraq, Oct 22 (Reuters) - Katyusha rockets on Sunday targeted the Ain al-Asad air base, which hosts U.S. and other international forces in western Iraq, and one blast was heard inside the base, two army sources said.

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Edited October 22, 2023 by Schulz2.0

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Edited October 22, 2023 by atomheartbevo

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12 hours ago, Bevo said:

I wonder why we are downplaying the firing of cruise missiles from Yemen. It seems like we are trying to avoid blaming Iran.

Already mentioned (the Eisenhower part) but we are putting Iran on notice and putting more anti-air assets into play. 
 

 

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Lmao

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25 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Already mentioned (the Eisenhower part) but we are putting Iran on notice and putting more anti-air assets into play. 
 

 

But really nothing from CNN, FOX, MSNBC, or the Sunday Shows. And no announcements by Biden or any spokesperson. And the ships have been defensive so far and not taking out the groups firing on them.

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2 minutes ago, Bevo said:

But really nothing from CNN, FOX, MSNBC, or the Sunday Shows. And no announcements by Biden or any spokesperson. And the ships have been defensive so far and not taking out the groups firing on them.

The groups are not firing at the US. We can’t really take them out without escalating shit 

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6 minutes ago, Bevo said:

But really nothing from CNN, FOX, MSNBC, or the Sunday Shows. And no announcements by Biden or any spokesperson. And the ships have been defensive so far and not taking out the groups firing on them.

 

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7 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The groups are not firing at the US. We can’t really take them out without escalating shit 

This kind of proves my point. Iran through proxies has been firing on US bases in Iraq.

 

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6 minutes ago, Bevo said:

This kind of proves my point. Iran through proxies has been firing on US bases in Iraq.

 

Yeah. We've been posting links about.

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1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

There’s a big difference between not wanting a civilian population to be killed and supporting their political views or leadership. 

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many, if any, Jews who support purposely killing a civilian population. See, for example, the many days of advance notice given to residents of Gaza City. The civilians need to evacuate because their mere presence is aiding Hamas, which hides behind the civilian population.

As always, the public relations battle is important. See, for example, the troubling rush by many news organizations to blame Israel after a bomb hit a hospital when, in fact, every independent expert has since concluded it was one of Hamas' Islamic Jihad's bombs. Or the accusatory "apartheid" signs around college campuses aimed at the only mid-east democracy.

Edited October 22, 2023 by Chopper
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Does anyone remember the Shockwave game "12th of September"? All I can find is YouTube capture of game play. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Bevo said:

This kind of proves my point. Iran through proxies has been firing on US bases in Iraq.

 

If people fire at US bases. We retaliate. 

That is different than Yemen firing missiles at Israel (assuming Israel is the target). Now I’m sure we take them out mid flight and say, “well how are we to know they aren’t being fired at US assets” excuse, but taking out cruise missiles mid flight and bombing targets in Yemen is a wee bit different on the world stage. I’m sure we could do it, and no one could do shit, because we have the largest military in the world, but doesn’t seem like we want to play that card right now 

 

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47 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

and bombing targets in Yemen is a wee bit different on the world stage. I’m sure we could do it, and no one could do shit, because we have the largest military in the world, but doesn’t seem like we want to play that card right now 

We could just have the Saudis do it.  They can't be too keen that those kinds of weapons are coming out of Yemen.

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This enterprising individual has what some might call “chutzpah”

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Just now, 52-80 said:

This enterprising individual has what some might call “chutzpah”

Is that an individual, or is that an AI?

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6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Is that an individual, or is that an AI?

It's an Ai-leen.

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Interview with some of the Norwegian protesters

 

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well this is going to be interesting. 

 

[Scheiss Meister 8,398]

It won't change any minds.  Those who deny the magnitude of the attack will just say that it's all fiction from the Isrealis.  No amount of facts will sway them.

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Michigan State University has entered the chat.

Edited October 22, 2023 by Chopper
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Looks like there's some grifters trying to use the tragedy to their advantage

 

STATEMENT FROM MEMBERS OF THE RA’ANAN FAMILY WHO WERE ABDUCTED BY HAMAS

“Today we came across bizarre posts on the Instagram page of one @shaunking, who turns out to have millions of followers, who claims that our relative Nathalie Ra'anan supports the anti-Israeli messages he uploads to his page.

First and foremost, we make it clear that he is lying!  Our family does not and did not have anything to do with him, neither directly nor indirectly.  Not to him and not to anything he claims to represent.

Natalie told us that this morning it was the first time in her life that she came across Shaun King's name and his posts, after she finally got a phone call after two horrific weeks in captivity in Gaza, and was looking for what was written about her while she was away.

Shaun King is trying to catch a ride on the great exposure that her abduction received all over the world and in the USA in particular, and the most ridiculous thing is that Natalie and her mother Yehudit are prominent activities in Rabbi Hecht's Jewish community in Chicago and in the Chabad house, and if Shaun King knew them or their family he would  know that

We ask not to be light on the keyboard and share things without checking them in depth.  Mainly not to believe people who speak for others.  The damage that the sharing of these lies does is so huge, and the effort of our family and all the families of the abductees should be all about bringing them home, and not fighting the lies that are being spread like wildfire.

We're not done, we've just started.  We have 2 more murdered in the family and 8 more family members still kidnapped, and there are over 200 more families in our situation.  Now we need the support of all the people of Israel and all the countries of the world to bring everyone home as soon as possible!”

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Shaun King is such an amazing piece of shit.

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2 hours ago, Scheiss Meister said:

It won't change any minds.  Those who deny the magnitude of the attack will just say that it's all fiction from the Isrealis.  No amount of facts will sway them.

Yeah, these are the same people trying to claim that Putin is defending Western Christianity or that we didn't land on the moon or 9/11 was fake, etc.  And some of these people are not doing it because they are mentally ill/delusional, they are just doing it to be contrarians/assholes.  Elmo has really fucked up twitter in that respect - he got his version of 4chan that he wanted.

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Israeli Reservist From Maryland Is Killed Near Lebanon Border
Omer Balva, 22, was among the 360,000 reservists Israel had mobilized. He was near Israel’s northern border when his unit was struck by anti-tank missile fire, the Israeli military said.

An Israeli military reservist who was raised in Maryland was killed on Friday when anti-tank missile fire struck his unit near Israel’s northern border with Lebanon, the Israeli military said.

Omer Balva, 22, was among the 360,000 reservists that the Israeli government had mobilized in an immense increase in its military forces ahead of an expected ground invasion of Gaza.

Mr. Balva was a staff sergeant in the 9203rd battalion of the Alexandroni Brigade, according to the Israel Defense Forces.

He moved to Israel after graduating from high school in Rockville, Md., in 2019 and was a student at Reichman University in Herzliya, Israel, where he was studying for a degree in business administration and economics.

Ethan Missner, a close friend of Mr. Balva’s since childhood, said that the two had talked “almost daily” for their entire lives, except when Mr. Balva was training with the Israeli military.

“Since we were 6 years old, I’ve spent, you know, endless time with him,” he said.

“I truthfully don’t know a single person that’s ever fought with Omer,” Mr. Missner added. “And I think that that’s a superpower Omer had, that he can know and be close to so many people and he was just only sweet.”

Mr. Balva was on vacation in the United States when he was called up to fight in Israel, Mr. Missner said. He said that Mr. Balva had been traveling with his girlfriend of four years, whom he had planned to propose to soon.

Before Mr. Balva left for Israel about a week ago, he stopped in Maryland and spent some time with Mr. Missner, who said that his friend’s top concern was making sure his loved ones were not too worried. Mr. Balva’s parents were already in Israel when he arrived and he spent two days with them before he was sent to a military base, Mr. Missner said.

“He died fighting for the people that he loved and a country that he loved,” Mr. Missner said.

On Sunday, Mr. Missner and his family watched a livestream of Mr. Balva’s funeral in Israel. Thousands of people attended, he said, and the speakers included Mr. Balva’s parents, his three siblings and his girlfriend.

Mr. Balva graduated from the Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School in Rockville, outside Washington, in 2019. The school said in a statement on Instagram that Mr. Balva was “an unabashed advocate for the State of Israel.”

In a 2018 school presentation, Mr. Balva described his family’s long history with Israel and said that his parents had moved to the United States in 1996 for business reasons. He wrote in the presentation that he hoped to move to Israel as an adult and to raise his children there.

In 2019, the year Mr. Balva left for Israel and began his compulsory military service, he wrote a letter to Mr. Missner. “I want you to know,” he wrote, “that every time I’m sad I go to this one thought of me and you at 24 or 25 with our families on vacation, the thought of us with wives and children we love and are able to support always brings a smile to my face.”

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Spoilering this because even the text is just graphic to read

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the raw hamas footage was shown, reactions starting to come out

 

 

 

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Quelle surprise

Hamas Fails to Make Case That Israel Struck Hospital
A senior Hamas official says “nothing is left” of the munition that hit the Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza City last week, killing hundreds. Israel says the explosion was caused by a misfired Palestinian rocket.

Six days after Hamas accused Israel of bombing a hospital in Gaza City and killing hundreds of people, the armed Palestinian group has yet to produce or describe any evidence linking Israel to the strike, says it cannot find the munition that hit the site and has declined to provide detail to support its count of the casualties.

Within an hour of the blast on Tuesday night, the Hamas-run Gazan health ministry accused Israel of attacking the Ahli Arab hospital, a medical center in Gaza City where scores of families had been sheltering. The allegation was soon denied by Israel but quickly accepted and amplified by Arab leaders across the Middle East, setting off unrest throughout the region. The claim was widely cited by international news outlets, including The New York Times, before Israel issued its denial.

But in the days since, as new evidence contradicting the Hamas claim has emerged, the Gazan authorities have changed their story about the blast. Spokespeople have released death tolls varying from 500 to 833, before settling on 471.

The Hamas-run health ministry has also declined to release further details about those 471 victims, and all traces of the munition have seemingly vanished from the site of the blast, making it impossible to assess its provenance. Raising further questions about Hamas’s claims, the impact site turned out to be the hospital parking lot, and not the hospital itself.

On Sunday, Hamas turned down requests by The Times to view any available evidence of the munition it said had struck the hospital, claiming that it had disintegrated beyond recognition.

“The missile has dissolved like salt in the water,” said Ghazi Hamad, a senior Hamas official, in a phone interview. “It’s vaporized. Nothing is left.”

Salama Maroof, the head of the Hamas-run government media office, said in a text message: “Who says we’re obligated to present the remnants of every rocket that kills our people? In general, you can come and research and confirm for yourself from the evidence we possess.”

For Palestinians, the accusation of Israeli responsibility for the blast has cemented the perception that Israel’s response to the Hamas-led terrorist attacks on southern Israel on Oct. 7 has been disproportionate and vengeful. The Hamas-run Gazan health ministry says that Israeli strikes have killed more than 4,300 Palestinians, 40 percent of them children, and the high reported death toll has undermined international support for Israel’s counterattack.

But to Israelis, the accusation that Israel hit the hospital is part of a grand deception aimed at undermining the legitimacy of Israel’s response to what officials say was the deadliest single attack on Jews since the Holocaust.

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It's my understanding that in addition to the 200 known hostages there are ~100 people still missing, who are presumed by Israeli authorities to have also been kidnapped by Hamas.