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Just a hunch but I bet those folks pounding on the door of the library to get at Jews were uninterested if the people inside go to synagogue or not. 
 

Unintentionally hammering home for Jewish people that Israel must always exist as an option, when stuff like this and synagogue shootings happens in America.

This is horseshoe theory in practice. 

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My friend from Nazareth (works as a tour guide and I hang out with her and her family every time I'm there)... digital silence.  Can't get her by phone.  Hasn't posted anything on FB or Insta since Th

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I'm continually amazed at the ability of Americans to pick a side in this ongoing fiasco. I know people who are very pro-Israel and others who are very pro-Palestine. All I see is two bad gu

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Released footage of one of the missing Americans

 

 

Footage of US citizen Hersh Goldberg-Polin, who went missing after Hamas attacked the music festival in Israel, has surfaced of him alive with his arm blown off

 

The incident happened when 11 grenades were thrown into the shelter where Hersh was with his friends.

Hersh’s friend, Aner Shapira, died defending him and 27 others and was able to throw 8 grenades back. Shapira reportedly was found dead with a grenade still in his hand.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nivek said:

Pretty misleading posts and news article headlines.  I heard "free Palestine" chants, not HAMAS bullshit.  This is just misleading sensationalism from what I can tell.

Targeting Jewish students in a fucking library to "protest".  Fuck that. And fuck them.

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3 hours ago, Nivek said:

Pretty misleading posts and news article headlines.  I heard "free Palestine" chants, not HAMAS bullshit.  This is just misleading sensationalism from what I can tell.

 

They also said free palestine from the river to the sea. That means eliminating israel, so yeah hamas or hamas sympathizers. Need to take a hard look at these protesters and any foreign national here on work or school visas need to be re evaluated  

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6 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

This is horseshoe theory in practice. 

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i was told "both sideism" isnt a thing.

 

the people and institutions who cried "words are violence!!" want you to know that you shouldnt say mean things about the party that slaughtered a whole bunch of people.

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That's a quality tie-in right there.  That's what that is.  

I've been tempted to rip down stupid shit I see posted on campus or in downtown or South Austin, but I refrain.  But assholes, teenagers, criminals, vandals, gang members, and politically charged activists alike---I've never seen anybody do anything to a "missing child" poster.  It's kind of an unwritten rule no?  

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12 hours ago, Viper said:

Possibly but it's still an unsafe environment when a crowd is tracking jews down in buildings, even if it's just to protest. 

Look, all I was saying was that I didn't trust the initial footage and reporting due to the prevalence of sensationalizing.   They could have been yelling 
"6 million more" just before the cameras rolled, for all I know. 

It is also difficult for me to really get ginned up for a protest which contains fewer members than a Westboro Baptist staged event.  

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1 hour ago, Nivek said:

Look, all I was saying was that I didn't trust the initial footage and reporting due to the prevalence of sensationalizing.   They could have been yelling 
"6 million more" just before the cameras rolled, for all I know. 

It is also difficult for me to really get ginned up for a protest which contains fewer members than a Westboro Baptist staged event.  

I had dinner with a client from NY this week that is orthodox and bought illegal bear mase to carry around in NY because of all the shit they are dealing with.  So like I said, Fuck those "protestors".  Anyone that crosses any line should be arrested for a hate crime.

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Some more about the Jewish students barricaded in the library. Take each with the appropriate grains of salt. 

 

NYC mayor saying it was no big deal

 

City councilwoman relaying and interview with a student there

 

 

 

She has 4 more tweets if you want to click through. Basically saying that the Jewish students are shaken and said they won't feel ok on campus again, and that many Jewish students have dropped out of school due to bullying (presumably this was before the protest)

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Since this has morphed from "Israel-Hamas War thread" into "US campus political groups," here's a response to similar conduct in the above tweets:

http://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/desantis-bans-pro-palestinian-group-from-state-campuses/

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As Israel's attacks on Gaza have intensified, some college students have expressed solidarity with Palestinians, resulting in swift censure from some Jewish academics and even some prospective employers. But Florida has gone further, taking the extraordinary step of saying Students for Justice in Palestine is supporting a "terrorist organization."

State university system Chancellor Ray Rodrigues wrote to university presidents Tuesday at Gov. Ron DeSantis' urging, directing them to disband chapters of SJP after the national group took the position that "Palestinian students in exile are PART of this movement, not in solidarity with this movement."

"It is a felony under Florida law to 'knowingly provide material support ... to a designated foreign terrorist organization,'" Rodrigues said in the letter.

 

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2 hours ago, Nivek said:

Look, all I was saying was that I didn't trust the initial footage and reporting due to the prevalence of sensationalizing.   They could have been yelling 
"6 million more" just before the cameras rolled, for all I know. 

It is also difficult for me to really get ginned up for a protest which contains fewer members than a Westboro Baptist staged event.  

It’s probably between the two, but a statement from NYC Adams that reassures everyone that NYPD didn’t let protesters hurt Jews is not really reassuring.

Protests are part of our fundamental rights in a democracy. When a protest moves from a venue to voice opinions or advocate for a position into targeted harassment of individuals who do not want to engage with the protesters, it’s no longer a protest.  

It is even more disturbing when the individuals are targeted because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc. If even a few people are allowed to bang on doors looking for Jews or Muslims or Gays to shout at, it’s a problem and they should be arrested and expelled. 

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52 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

It’s probably between the two, but a statement from NYC Adams that reassures everyone that NYPD didn’t let protesters hurt Jews is not really reassuring.

Protests are part of our fundamental rights in a democracy. When a protest moves from a venue to voice opinions or advocate for a position into targeted harassment of individuals who do not want to engage with the protesters, it’s no longer a protest.  

It is even more disturbing when the individuals are targeted because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc. If even a few people are allowed to bang on doors looking for Jews or Muslims or Gays to shout at, it’s a problem and they should be arrested and expelled. 

Yes sir.  Jews should not be relegated to hiding in attics like it's the 1940s again.

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It’s probably between the two, but a statement from NYC Adams that reassures everyone that NYPD didn’t let protesters hurt Jews is not really reassuring.
Protests are part of our fundamental rights in a democracy. When a protest moves from a venue to voice opinions or advocate for a position into targeted harassment of individuals who do not want to engage with the protesters, it’s no longer a protest.  
It is even more disturbing when the individuals are targeted because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc. If even a few people are allowed to bang on doors looking for Jews or Muslims or Gays to shout at, it’s a problem and they should be arrested and expelled. 

Should we not be allowed to protest suspected murderers, political figures, or other figures either public or private?
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Yes sir.  Jews should not be relegated to hiding in attics like it's the 1940s again.

There is a pretty big gulf between state sponsored industrialized genocide and from what looks like a few dipshits being dipshits.

This post is exactly why I try to avoid sensationalism.


Yet, I think you can appreciate humor in the exaggerations of the aggy old man crying about how it was like the Alamo or whatever after that Tech game. (Gates?)
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7 minutes ago, Nivek said:


There is a pretty big gulf between state sponsored industrialized genocide and from what looks like a few dipshits being dipshits.

This post is exactly why I try to avoid sensationalism.


Yet, I think you can appreciate humor in the exaggerations of the aggy old man crying about how it was like the Alamo or whatever after that Tech game. (Gates?)

The humor there was that it was an aggie that punched his douche face.  All the violence was aggie on aggie.  Otherwise it was high school kids with a goal post.

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Should we not be allowed to protest suspected murderers, political figures, or other figures either public or private?

People have a right to protest, but there is no right to be listened to by specific individuals.   And I am fine with a blanket rule that people who have gone behind closed doors should be left alone. Even suspected murderers. 

 If your neighbor wants to “protest” your lawn care standard, he can stand on the street all he wants want but not follow you around and bang on the door shouting.  It is fine to protest the Catholic Church and stand on the sidewalk expressing your opinion. It is not fine to disrupt a service or bang on doors and windows. It is your right to protest near an abortion clinic. It is not your right to barge in and bang the doors on exam rooms or follow women who leave the clinic to libraries and coffee shops to shout at them. 

The line gets fuzzy in public spaces but I especially think that it’s wholly inappropriate to “protest” an individual or groups of people places where there is no space to retreat to descalate or just get away. It works both ways, you have freedom of association and protest and I have freedom not to associate with you. 

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Immediately prior to the October 7 terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians, #Hamas had terrible and declining support among Gazans, who saw it and not Israel or Egypt as primarily responsible for widespread poverty. Arab Barometer completed surveys in Gaza on October 6. Among the results:

"Only 16 percent blamed externally imposed economic sanctions" for widespread poverty and food shortages. 31 percent "identified government mismanagement as the primary cause of food insecurity in Gaza."

"Only 40 percent said that freedom of expression was guaranteed to a great or moderate extent, and 68 percent believed that the right to participate in a peaceful protest was not protected or was protected only to a limited extent under Hamas rule."

"73 percent of Gazans favored a peaceful settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. On the eve of Hamas’s October 7 attack, just 20 percent of Gazans favored a military solution that could result in the destruction of the state of Israel." 54 percent of Gazans favored a two-state solution.

Writing in @ForeignAffairs, @AmaneyJamal and  @mdhrobbins of @ArabBarometer, show that in the past Gazans rally around support when Israeli military actions ramp up, as they are now. That's understandable--as is @Israel's need to defend itself and remove Hamas, a governing group that is committed to the eradication of Israel.

I hope that Israel's hunt for Hamas leadership is swift, effective, and targeted in such a way that it allows Gazans and Israelis to reach a lasting peace in the near future.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas

 

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