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A subsea gas pipeline and a telecommunications cable connecting Finland and Estonia have both sustained damage, and the location of the outage has been identified, the Finnish government said on Tuesday.

"It is likely that damage to both the gas pipeline and the communication cable is the result of outside activity," President Sauli Niinisto said in a statement.
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"The fall in pipeline pressure was quite fast, which would indicate it's not a minor breach. But the cause of it remains unclear," said a Baltic energy official with knowledge of the situation, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity.
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/finland-says-outside-activity-likely-damaged-gas-pipeline-telecoms-cable/ar-AA1hYPVx

I'm not sure what to make of this as yet.  Russia lashing out at Finland for joining NATO?  Maybe it wasn't a deliberate act at all and a submersible had an accident?

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Yeah, it's Russia.

And this time there needs to be a proportionate response.  They're testing us with the mining of Romanian waters and drone strikes that have strayed into Romania.  If we don't respond to the test, they'll push even further until the only response available to us is a full military commitment.

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5 hours ago, MisterP said:

What exactly does this mean. Thank you.

 

4 hours ago, Parliament said:

Any suspects?  I wonder who would do such a thing.

 

4 hours ago, Parliament said:

(Narrator:  It's Russia.)

 

3 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

yes

 

3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

Yeah, it's Russia.

And this time there needs to be a proportionate response.  They're testing us with the mining of Romanian waters and drone strikes that have strayed into Romania.  If we don't respond to the test, they'll push even further until the only response available to us is a full military commitment.

 

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3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

Yeah, it's Russia.

And this time there needs to be a proportionate response.  They're testing us with the mining of Romanian waters and drone strikes that have strayed into Romania.  If we don't respond to the test, they'll push even further until the only response available to us is a full military commitment.

You'll get the strongest condemnation and more sanctions and you'll like it.

NATO ain't doing shit so long as Russian troops don't invade a NATO country.

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The country run by soulless mongrels is absolutely responsible for this. If they did not have nukes they would not exist in any meaningful form right now. 
 

I suspect when the history of this current time is written that many acts like this will all be put together as the reason there wound up being a larger war outside of just Ukraine. You cannot reason with people who act like time stopped about three or four centuries ago. Despots will keep on pushing your buttons until you bully them back. It is the only language they understand.

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Well our previous high was Three.  We certainly had more troops (as % of available population), more national will, and more financial/production/logistics support.  However, our technology and footprint is far beyond anything any of our enemies possess.  

From the Coral Sea/Guadalcanal, we broke the Empire.  From the English Channel, we broke the Reich.  And with a lotta help, from North Africa and Sicily, we broke Italy/Axis Balkans.  

We now have 800 military installations in 70 nations.  11 Carrier Strike Groups, the largest and farthest reaching Air Force ever imagined, an armada of drones nobody actually even knows the quantity of, numbers of subsurface assets unknown to even the President, and a conventional array of armor and artillery parked in every corner of the planet.  And that's conventional.  And that''s not including NATO and the three swimming pools and two allies we have surrounding our borders.  With active participation from NATO, all of this is completely within our scope of capability.  The big problem of course, as it has always been, is nuclear warfare.   

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31 minutes ago, bernorange said:

So how many theaters can the US military handle concurrently?  I really hope we don't find out.

All of them?

We have the largest air force in the world. And the US Navy has the second largest air force in the world.

It's pretty ridiculous just how much better and larger the US military is than anything else. 

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Balticconnector pipeline was damaged by explosion, according to NORSAR. The Norwegian non-governmental research institute NORSAR recorded signs of an explosion off the coast of Finland in the Baltic Sea around the time the Balticconnector subsea gas pipeline and a telecommunications cable was damaged on 8 October 2023. Balticconnector ensures gas transportation between Finland, Estonia, and Latvia, helping these EU and NATO countries reduce dependence on russian gas.

https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1711897009039315443

 

 

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The gas connector is getting all the play but the undersea communications cable is to me far more interesting.  And it’s not surprising that they did them both at once to muddle the public discussion and debate. 
 

Severing undersea comms cables has a lot more immediate military value if a cold conflict goes hot and there’s nothing like doing a not-so dry run to see test how to do it and watch the response. 

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Finnish police have said that the rupture of a gas pipeline under the Baltic Sea was probably caused by an anchor dragging along the seabed.

Finnish police said they found an anchor near the pipeline and are investigating if it was an accident.

Authorities initially suspected the damage was deliberately caused by Russia, possibly as "retribution" for Finland joining Nato.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin denied the accusation.

Police said that broad drag marks were visible on the seabed leading to where the pipeline was ruptured, and the anchor was lying just beyond the damaged spot.

A piece of the anchor - one of its two spikes - had broken off, they added.

Finland's National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) said on Friday that they were now focusing their probe on the Chinese NewNew Polar Bear container vessel, which had passed over the pipeline around the time of the damage.

Earlier today, the NBI said they had confirmed that the NewNew Polar Bear was indeed missing an anchor.

They added that they have unsuccessfully tried to contact the vessel to see whether the recently-found anchor belonged to the ship.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67209754

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Also... The Finland-Estonia pipeline wasn't the only transmission infrastructure damaged in the area:

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Estonia believes that damage to a telecommunications cable in the Baltic Sea between Sweden and Estonia is related to damage to a pipeline and cable between Estonia and Finland, Sweden's government said on Monday.

On Oct. 8 a subsea gas pipeline and telecommunications cable connecting Finland and Estonia were damaged, in what Finnish investigators believe may have been deliberate sabotage. Helsinki is investigating the pipeline incident, while Tallinn is looking into the cable incident.

Last week, Sweden said a third link had been damaged at roughly the same time as the other two.

"It has been confirmed that the cable has been damaged through external force or tampering," Carl-Oskar Bohlin, Minister for Civil Defence, said in a statement.

Bohlin added that Estonia had assessed that "the damage to the gas pipeline and communications cable between Finland and Estonia is related to the damage to the communications cable between Sweden and Estonia".

The government did not give further details about what could link the two incidents.
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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/companies/estonia-has-linked-baltic-cable-pipeline-damages-sweden-says/ar-AA1iIeFB

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Pretty good overview and analysis of the evidence that came across my youtube feed

And yes, the ship in the thumbnail is the actual vessel lol. It's a shitheap. From the comments, the author added an update:
 

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The severing of the Swedish cable probably occurred as the ship sailed toward St Petersburg. As that is a fiber optical cable all the anchor would have to do is hook, drag and snap it. When it encountered the gas pipeline, one of the flukes of the anchor probably snagged it and that is when it broke off the chain. The chain continued to be dragged based on reports and hit the telecommunication cables. The question remains was this sabotage or just a poorly maintained ship with a lax crew.

 

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Hmmm....

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The damage to a telecommunications cable running under the Baltic Sea between Sweden and Estonia was “purposeful,” Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson said Tuesday but declined to be drawn on the details.

“We will not be more precise than that as of today," Kristersson said at a press conference, after Swedish divers had investigated the seabed.

A spokesman for the Swedish Navy, Jimmie Adamsson, told Swedish public broadcaster SVT that “we see seabed tracks nearby, but we don’t know if it’s deliberate or an accident.”
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https://infotel.ca/newsitem/eu-sweden-nato-undersea-cable/cp1563587425

Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson is likely going to get his hands slapped for jumping the gun here.

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The scope of damage from a suspected anchor-dragging incident involving a Chinese ship in the Baltic may have been larger than previously reported, according to Finland’s Ministry of Economic Affairs. In addition to a ruptured gas pipeline and two damaged telecom cables connecting three NATO member states, a Russian fiber-optic cable was also reported damaged during roughly the same timeframe, the ministry revealed Monday.

https://maritime-executive.com/article/anchor-drag-incident-off-finland-may-have-damaged-russian-cable-too

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Estonia’s State Prosecutor joined with its counterparts in Finland in declaring that they had found evidence of human activity to the damaged communications lines in the Baltic and identified a Chinese containership as the primary suspect. Estonia reports it has filed an official request for cooperation from the Chinese authorities for the investigation into the containership NewNew Polar Bear.

Estonian authorities are taking the lead on the investigation into the damage to the Estonia-Sweden communication cable while Finland is leading the investigation into its communications and gas lines with Estonia that were damaged. Reports this week also suggested that a Russian communication cable may have been damaged at the same time but that is also excluded from the Estonian criminal proceedings.
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https://maritime-executive.com/article/estonia-also-targets-chinese-ship-after-finding-evidence-on-damaged-cable

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Finland will demand its investigators be allowed on board the NewNew Polar Bear, a Hong Kong-flagged vessel whose anchor ripped up a subsea gas pipeline near Finnish waters in October, President Sauli Niinisto said.

It remains unclear whether the ship dragged its anchor for hundreds of kilometers “intentionally or as a result of extremely poor seamanship,” he told public broadcaster YLE TV1 in an interview Saturday.

More will be known when the vessel arrives in China and the captain can be questioned, Niinisto said. “We hope, and actually require, that Finnish investigators be involved.”
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https://gcaptain.com/finland-demands-investigators-on-vessel-that-broke-gas-pipeline/

 

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On 10/26/2023 at 8:59 AM, Captainant said:

The severing of the Swedish cable probably occurred as the ship sailed toward St Petersburg. As that is a fiber optical cable all the anchor would have to do is hook, drag and snap it. When it encountered the gas pipeline, one of the flukes of the anchor probably snagged it and that is when it broke off the chain. The chain continued to be dragged based on reports and hit the telecommunication cables. The question remains was this sabotage or just a poorly maintained ship with a lax crew.

Let he whose wife has never commuted to work for a full week before you noticed that the e-brake was still on... cast the first stone!

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