Houston Astros off-season thread

[Ichabod 184]

7 hours ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

How is Evan doing, health-wise?

He had a double kidney transplant this past summer and is doing just fine. Back to golf and skiing now. 

[Snake Diggity 4627]

Traded/Out: one of Dubon or Meyers, one of Urquidy or France

In: a backup catcher, an 8th inning RP, a LHH prospect to play LF and hit 9th (Loperfido, Hamilton, Wagner, or Barber), a high-ceiling young bullpen arm (Whitley, Sousa, Gage, Arrighetti, Tamarez, Dubin)

 

Opening day roster:

2B Altuve

3B Bregman

DH Alvarez

1B Abreu

RF Tucker

C Y Diaz

OF McCormick

SS Pena

OF Loperfido/Hamilton/Barber/Wagner

Bench: Dubon/Meyers, Kessinger, TBD catcher, Singleton

SP: Verlander, Valdez, Javier, Brown, Urquidy/France

RP: Pressly, Abreu, TBD, Montero, Graveman, Martinez (holding Garcia’s spot), Bielak (holding McCullers’ spot), Sousa/Whitley/Gage/Arrighetti/Dubin/Tamarez

Edited November 7, 2023 by Snake Diggity

[Wulaw Horn 19147]

Part 2 of the 3 part recap where we talk all things manager. If you are burned out on that don’t listen. If you want to see us take 2 or 3 different approaches to quantify what happened last year and that down stream affect on the team this is for you. 

Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0H7wvSG9X2CFhv4GbqIwIc?si=6YOGjmD4QgeZARtec6O9bw
 

Amazon:

https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/852d9661-0b82-43da-8ae9-955d001c400b/episodes/8a8278b4-6669-4d0d-9bba-21f96e3e1fbb/breathing-orange-fire-a-houston-astros-podcast-episode-36-eulogy-part-ii?ref=dm_sh_P8vIT3GSUBiQZh7znDEafRQry

[Guadaloopy 11012]

You guys who keep suggesting that we trade away a reliable starting pitching still under team control are really starting to piss me off.  It’s like you slept through this past season.  

[Snake Diggity 4627]

55 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

You guys who keep suggesting that we trade away a reliable starting pitching still under team control are really starting to piss me off.  It’s like you slept through this past season.  

If that’s directed at me, meh.  I wouldn’t label Urquidy (1 MLB season out of 5 with >107 ip) or France (136 career MLB innings) as “reliable”.  If Houston can get really good trade value, they have the depth to absorb the loss.

[tx 3 putt 77359]

I’m very good with urquidy as our #5 

[tx 3 putt 77359]

 

[HtownHorn 14763]

Like former Astro Ray Montgomery.

[David Dennison 18946]

4 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

[tx 3 putt 77359]

Espada’s name being floated for the brewers 

[tx 3 putt 77359]

I’ve been skeptical of brown and stuff like this just looks dumb ..,

 

[David Dennison 18946]

[Scraps 13570]

I would take Mark Derosa 1000 times over Ray fucking Montgomery

[cmontexas 3279]

Northeast baseball circles in the late 1980s is coincidentally the name of the Midwest Emo album I've been working on

[Dutchrudder 11150]

5 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

If he's Jordan Montgomery's dad, and can get him to sign here for a reasonable price, I would be in favor of it.

[henrygandorf 29194]

hoping espada is a silent commit. 

[UTPhil2006 3810]

11 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Espada’s name being floated for the brewers 

To be fair they’ve floated like 10 names 

[henrygandorf 29194]

well if they're gonna float an air biscuit, can you let me know?

[Mo Horn 8853]

https://climbingtalshill.com/posts/the-astros-search-for-a-new-manager-seems-to-be-focused-on-one-candidate-01heqcffw3zq?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email&sc=1649d2be2e9ecea9a706f971ed3f0e485561941cae254a1294094f2c732ef877

Encouraging

[LCHorn 2631]

12 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

I’ve been skeptical of brown and stuff like this just looks dumb ..,

 

I'll join you there--I've seen nothing so far that's encouraging about his tenure.

[LCHorn 2631]

14 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

https://climbingtalshill.com/posts/the-astros-search-for-a-new-manager-seems-to-be-focused-on-one-candidate-01heqcffw3zq?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email&sc=1649d2be2e9ecea9a706f971ed3f0e485561941cae254a1294094f2c732ef877

Encouraging

That update is completely devoid of new information.  No news means it's Espada? 

Brown would certainly understand that his role in the organization is strengthened if the manager appears beholden to him for support.  It just doesn't appear that Crane wants him to have that kind of authority. 

[TejasPedro 1858]

Looking less like a Yankees dynasty and more like a Davis run Raiders Cluster fuck.

[Rockethorn1978 6102]

We’re gonna fuck this up. You can just feel it. 

[David Dennison 18946]

18 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

We’re gonna fuck this up. You can just feel it. 

Maybe, but we won't know that for a long time.

[Rockethorn1978 6102]

7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Maybe, but we won't know that for a long time.

Maybe, or we will know when they announce it.

[formermav43 4606]

3 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Maybe, or we will know when they announce it.

“I’m stunned. I’m pissed. It’s Mack Brown.”

Probably not. I mean, they even win a World Series with Dusty Baker. Anything is possible.

[Scraps 13570]

Organization is turning into a clown show

[tx 3 putt 77359]

 

[tx 3 putt 77359]

If espada is the hire, should have happened the day after dusty retired 

[Scraps 13570]

If espada is the hire, should have happened the day after dusty retired 

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[Js1 85549]

4 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

If espada is the hire, should have happened the day after dusty retired 

This.  I can understand maybe doing some due diligence on some other hires, but it's been 2 weeks.  

[tx 3 putt 77359]

 

[Pimphand 5860]

On 11/5/2023 at 3:01 PM, Dutchrudder said:

Game 7 of 2019 was a 6-2 loss, not a 1 run game. The offense never got going, the team just wasn't stringing hits together in the same inning and they left a bunch of runners stranded. Harris came in and gave up the 2 run homer, and it was 3-2 going into the bottom of the 7th. That was all they needed to win. They scored in the 8th and 9th too, so not much you can do about it with only 2 runs scored.

Are people arguing that Cole coming in to relieve Greinke would have resulted in 2.2 scoreless innings with a 2-1 win? That seems like a stretch, but I guess it could happen. We just saw Bochy put in Montgomery in the middle of game 7 of the ALCS, and that worked out great for them, while our ace Verlander sat in the dugout as the bullpen failed. I don't know how often it happens, but it would be interesting to see stats on SPs that enter a game 7 in relief and how successful they are. 

Hinch should have put Cole in as soon as Grienke gave up the HR to Rendon the game was 2-1 at that moment.  Houston still had a 73% chance of winning after the HR (84% prior).  I'm not saying Cole goes 2.2 without giving up a run just you should have put him in and made him try and I would have gladly taken the loss had he not. Bochy won the 2014 World Series and the 2023 ALCS following the paradigm and he is the greatest manager of all time IMHO. He took teams that probably had no business winning and has won more world series rings than all but 3 managers.

2010: 92-70
2012: 94-68
2014: 88-74
2023: 90-72

Common fucking sense seems to not be so common.

[tx 3 putt 77359]

[henrygandorf 29194]

45 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

on the list of things i'm worried about, this is not on the list.

[Scraps 13570]

Ron Washington to Angels

Now that he is off the table maybe we can hire someone lulz

[kevwun 15862]

They really should just light money on fire.  At least they would get some warmth from it.

[tx 3 putt 77359]

Washington would have been a good fit here, for 2024 

Edited November 8, 2023 by tx 3 putt

[kevwun 15862]

Are the Astros expecting a big cocaine shipment in 2024?

[Js1 85549]

11 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Ron Washington to Angels

Now that he is off the table maybe we can hire someone lulz

[henrygandorf 29194]

17 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Ron Washington to Angels

Now that he is off the table maybe we can hire someone lulz

when i look at the angels, i think to myself, well there's a well-functioning organization that has their shit together.

[UTPhil2006 3810]

34 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Washington would have been a good fit here, for 2024 

Troll troll troll your boat 

[WBT 20657]

Oh please brer fox, don't hire away Ron Washington before we can!

[UTexasFight 9526]

I forgot how the Washington rumors got started, but there is probably a 110% chance it was someone in the Astros camp trying to stir up other interest in him before crane could make a move.

and to that person, I say thank you thank you thank you 

[Guadaloopy 11012]

1 hour ago, Pimphand said:

 I'm not saying Cole goes 2.2 without giving up a run just you should have put him in and made him try and I would have gladly taken the loss had he not.

[Guadaloopy 11012]

4 hours ago, TejasPedro said:

Looking less like a Yankees dynasty and more like a Davis run Raiders Cluster fuck.

 

4 hours ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

We’re gonna fuck this up. You can just feel it. 

 

2 hours ago, Scraps said:

Organization is turning into a clown show

[tx 3 putt 77359]

1 hour ago, UTexasFight said:

I forgot how the Washington rumors got started, but there is probably a 110% chance it was someone in the Astros camp trying to stir up other interest in him before crane could make a move.

and to that person, I say thank you thank you thank you 

his agent 

[tx 3 putt 77359]

Game recognize Game ….

 

[UTPhil2006 3810]

Maldy to Dodgers confirmed  

[Gut Wagon 8087]

3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Left out another obvious plus for the Astros: no WBC this winter.