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1 hour ago, HtownHorn said:

Robert is 3 years younger and has nearly doubled Chas' career WAR in only 20 more games. Every team in the MLB baseball would take Robert over McCormick.

Plus we’d save so much on pregame and postgame desserts 

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Hey. Fuk you and fuk the astros.

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Nope. Need help finding your pennant?

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No. I think I’m on the right thread. Your off-season begins……now

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On 11/14/2023 at 10:55 AM, Wulaw Horn said:
Where we talk astros new manager and put the final bow on 2023 for bight the Astros and league awards. 

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1986 was the year I started following baseball religiously and that year we had the anomaly of anomalies (at the time) which was Ricky Henderson posting 28 HR and 87 steals for the MFY in the AL and Eric Davis posting 27 HR and 80 steals for the Reds in the NL.  Davis hit 37 HR and had 50 steals the following season.

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35 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

1986 was the year I started following baseball religiously and that year we had the anomaly of anomalies (at the time) which was Ricky Henderson posting 28 HR and 87 steals for the MFY in the AL and Eric Davis posting 27 HR and 80 steals for the Reds in the NL.  Davis hit 37 HR and had 50 steals the following season.

Eric Davis had the potential to be a seriously bad mother fucker.

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3 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

Yeah he had a pretty badass run from 1986-1990 the Reds won that World Series then he got hurt in 1991 and just never regained that late 80s mojo.

I probably have 20 of his rookie cards stashed away somewhere in my parents' attic.  13 year-old me thought I was sitting on a future gold mine.  Today me thinks they're probably worth $10 combined.

Oh hell, looks like they can range anywhere from $3 to $6 depending on condition.  I'm fucking rich, bitch.

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6 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I probably have 20 of his rookie cards stashed away somewhere in my parents' attic.  13 year-old me thought I was sitting on a future gold mine.  Today me thinks they're probably worth $10 combined.

Oh hell, looks like they can range anywhere from $3 to $6 depending on condition.  I'm fucking rich, bitch.

Eric Davis 1985 Topps Unsigned Card product image 1 of 1 slide provided by sportsmemorabilia.com

Yeah my pops has a few of those at the house as well as we had the similar assessment that Davis was destined for absolute greatness (maybe not Rickey Henderson level but close).

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Eric Davis 1985 Topps Unsigned Card product image 1 of 1 slide provided by sportsmemorabilia.com

Yeah my pops has a few of those at the house as well as we had the similar assessment that Davis was destined for absolute greatness (maybe not Rickey Henderson level but close).

Dude, he was going to blow past Rickey and be the next Willie F'ing Mays.

Anyway, apologies to the rest of the thread for the Eric the Red derail.  I shall stop now.

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11 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

He was a seriously bad motherfucker, just didn't get to be that for long enough.   

Over a 162-game span from June 18, 1986, through July 10, 1987, Davis hit .307/.405/.629 while launching 49 homers and swiping 93 bases. If you shift the dates back a bit, from June 8, 1986, through June 27, 1987, Davis hit 46 home runs and stole 99 bags. He’s the only player in MLB history to have a 162-game stretch with those numbers. A composite of the two periods yields 49 homers and 99 steals.

The 50-50 club? Try 50-100.

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Was randomly in Cincinnati this past summer with one son when it was Reds Hall of Fame induction weekend.

Met Eric Davis, class act (not really) Pete Rose, class act (really) Barry Larkin, and Johnny Bench before he made a joke about Jewish people that afternoon.

And 1986 Astros member Dan Driessen! 

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13 minutes ago, runthebone said:

And 1986 Astros member Dan Driessen! 

He had a nice run as pinch hitter. Man that 1986 crew will always be my favorite team because they sold an 8 year old on the game of baseball for life.

Kerfeld wearing the conehead mask after Scotty's no-no is still etched into my mind

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40 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Throw him in the White Sox deal for Cease and Robert.

Astros get:

Cease, Robert, Kopech (bullpen leverage-  emergency starter prior)

White Sox get:

Meyers, Peña, France, Brown, Whitley

Astros sign Garver 3/45.  Vogelfat- 1 year 4M

Astros Roster:

JV/Framber/Cease/Javier/Urquidy (LMJ and Garcia mid season)  78M

Presley, Abreu, Kopech, Graveman, Martinez, Sousa, Bielak, Montero - 45M

Diaz/Garver/Abreu/Altuve/Kessinger/Dubon/Bregman/Vogelfat 90M

Yordan/Robert/Tucker/Chas/Corona- 55M

That’s a 265M payroll plus the 25M or what have you in benefits and stuff like that  290M for 1 year.

next year Bregman is gone and you could trade Abreu and Montero if you really wanted to, maybe get rid of for free if they have a bounce back or attach a couple minor prospects to them as they would both be in walk years and you are back under the cap on 25 with this roster:

Diaz/Garver/Loperfido/Altuve/Kessinger/Dubon/Dezenzo

Robert/Yordan/Chas/Tucker/Corona

JV/Framber/Cease/Javier/LMJ/Garcia 

Abreu/Kopech/Spaghetti/Bielak/Souza/Blanco/Marrinez  

that 24 team is the most solid astros team ever built and one of the top 3 or 5 rosters since I’ve been watching baseball  

that 25 team should win 100 games  

26 you have Diaz/Garver/Altuve/Chas/Robert/Yordan

Abreu/Garcia/LMJ/Spaghetti  if those guys are good enough you roll through and try to compete, if not you trade Yordan/Diaz/Robert for a kings ransom as all guys with multiple years of control and reasonable contracts, 

trade Garver/Chas/Abreu for stuff as they’d all probably be worth something in their walk year

and trade any of the other guys for their equivalent 2 or 3 years down the line- Altuve stays and we bury LMJ in the H in the last year of his contract.  
With what you get from throes trades and money saved by paring payroll I think you could look at 1 bad year (26), 1 mediocre 2014 type year (27) and in the middle of another 5/7/10/12 year run  

 

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3 hours ago, Scraps said:

Caesars in Lake Charles has the O/U at 88.5 for Stros.

We cannot possibly be worse than last season can we???

That seems like a good bet.  The Astros will definitely have a more talented roster in 2024 than in 2023 and will likely not have as much bad luck with injuries.  The difference to the downside is that the Rangers and Mariners will be better, but I think taking the over on 88.5 wins is a really good bet.

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9 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

That seems like a good bet.  The Astros will definitely have a more talented roster in 2024 than in 2023 and will likely not have as much bad luck with injuries.  The difference to the downside is that the Rangers and Mariners will be better, but I think taking the over on 88.5 wins is a really good bet.


Easy money 

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On 11/25/2023 at 4:59 PM, Scraps said:

Caesars in Lake Charles has the O/U at 88.5 for Stros.

We cannot possibly be worse than last season can we???

 

On 11/25/2023 at 10:28 PM, UTexasFight said:

Damn was just in Nevada and didn’t think about checking the wins o/u

did put $100 down on +1100 to win it all

 

13 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

if you’re still there I’ll cash app you $1000 to place a bet for me. This is easy money !

the odds don't matter.  casinos like getting interest free loans for a year.  find yourselves a bookie.

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12 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

I find this highly disturbing 

 

I mean, if you end up with a TOR guy and a couple prospects by trading him for the flexibility for a TOR and he wasn't ever going to re-sign with you anyway then yeah- what do you propose instead?  Let him walk at the end of the year for a 3rd round draft pick?  I can't see giving Bregman Tatis money, that's not how the Astros operate and that's not likely going to change for Bregman, so... Yeah- it's got to be on the table and at least explored I would think. 

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Over the last 4 years, Bregman has a .804 OPS with a 124 OPS+. Tatis has a .877 OPS with a 141 OPS+. Tatis will be 25 next year, Bregman will be 30. You trade Bregman for whatever you can get and laugh at the next team that gives him a Tatis contract. Tatis missed an entire season and still has outhomered Bregman 84 to 66 during the same timespan.

 

The only player that deserves a life-time contract from the Astros is the GOAT.

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