2023 - 2024 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread - I'm watching, just like you guys

[gsoda3 3274]

i like the gafford trade.  i'm assuming it's a couple 2nd rounders.  i do not like the pj washington trade.  

[RexWilson 1348]

I like it. Starting 5 of Kyrie, Luka, Green, PJ, Lively. Bench rotation ofTHJ, Gafford, Exum, Jones Jr, Hardy.

Everyone else should be limited minutes. 

[Henry Hill 3156]

2 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

i like the gafford trade.  i'm assuming it's a couple 2nd rounders.  i do not like the pj washington trade.  

Maybe overpaid but have meaningful depth for the first time in recent memory.

[gsoda3 3274]

Maybe overpaid but have meaningful depth for the first time in recent memory.

Yes I don't like the PJ trade because of what we gave up. But I like PJ as a player. A lot. It just leaves a bitter taste because we should always have made PJ Washington our main target this summer instead of Grant Williams and now I feel like it has cost us two first rounders to correct this mistake.

[Henry Hill 3156]

6 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

8 minutes ago, Henry Hill said:

Maybe overpaid but have meaningful depth for the first time in recent memory.

Yes I don't like the PJ trade because of what we gave up. But I like PJ as a player. A lot. It just leaves a bitter taste because we should always have made PJ Washington our main target this summer instead of Grant Williams and now I feel like it has cost us two first rounders to correct this mistake.

Fair points. 

[gsoda3 3274]

i saw we gave OKC swap rights to our 2028 first rounder in exchange for their least favorable 2024 first rounder, which we then sent to washington.  so washington ended up sending us gafford and two 2nd rounders.  i'm liking the gafford trade less for that.  

 

if i haven't mixed anything up, the only tradable first round draft capital we have now are our picks in 2025 and 2031.  we've issued swap rights for 2028 (OKC) and 2030 (SA). i suppose we could issue another swap right for 2026 but that's it.  

[RexWilson 1348]

• 2024 1st (owed to Knicks top 10 protected)
• 2025 1st (owed to Knicks top 10 protected if 2024 fails to convey)
• 2026 1st
• 2027 1st (owed to Hornets top 2 protected)
• 2028 1st (Thunder own swap rights)
• 2029 1st (owed to Nets)
• 2030 1st (Spurs own swap rights)

[Bozo_Casanova 26511]

Dinwiddie is at the game, by the bench, and the beat reporters seem to think there’s a real chance he signs. 

[gsoda3 3274]

I really hope he does. Instant offense. Length. Another ball handler. This is the reason we stayed under that second apron, let's get it done!

[Rex Kramer 1344]

23 hours ago, RexWilson said:

I like it. Starting 5 of Kyrie, Luka, Green, PJ, Lively. Bench rotation ofTHJ, Gafford, Exum, Jones Jr, Hardy.

Everyone else should be limited minutes. 

You just named 10 players. Not really  short rotation. You forgot Kleber and Powell. Or maybe you didn’t. I don’t ever want to see Powell play. 

These are two excellent trades. We have significantly improved our roster. 

[Rex Kramer 1344]

22 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

i saw we gave OKC swap rights to our 2028 first rounder in exchange for their least favorable 2024 first rounder, which we then sent to washington.  so washington ended up sending us gafford and two 2nd rounders.  i'm liking the gafford trade less for that.  

 

if i haven't mixed anything up, the only tradable first round draft capital we have now are our picks in 2025 and 2031.  we've issued swap rights for 2028 (OKC) and 2030 (SA). i suppose we could issue another swap right for 2026 but that's it.  

These were both no brainer trades where the Mavs fleeced teams. You vastly overrate draft picks, particularly 2nd round picks. 

[gsoda3 3274]

39 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

These were both no brainer trades where the Mavs fleeced teams. You vastly overrate draft picks, particularly 2nd round picks. 

we absolutely did not fleece anyone.  what you would've given charlotte two first rounders for washington?  maybe thrown in josh green's poison pilled contract? or maybe you would've given washington more for gafford? 

 

i don't know where you get the idea i value 2nd round picks.  if i'm overrating 2nd rounders i would be glad to have washington send us two of them.  i view them as disposable, which if anything is undervaluing them since it's not long ago we've drafted contributors like jaden hardy and jalen brunson with them.

 

maybe i do overrate first round picks- but i don't think so.  teams around the nba highly value them as trade assets and seek as many as they can get in return.  also we're seeing how big of an effect derreck lively has on our team.  first round picks are important.  

[Rex Kramer 1344]

1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

we absolutely did not fleece anyone.  what you would've given charlotte two first rounders for washington?  maybe thrown in josh green's poison pilled contract? or maybe you would've given washington more for gafford? 

 

i don't know where you get the idea i value 2nd round picks.  if i'm overrating 2nd rounders i would be glad to have washington send us two of them.  i view them as disposable, which if anything is undervaluing them since it's not long ago we've drafted contributors like jaden hardy and jalen brunson with them.

 

maybe i do overrate first round picks- but i don't think so.  teams around the nba highly value them as trade assets and seek as many as they can get in return.  also we're seeing how big of an effect derreck lively has on our team.  first round picks are important.  

Let’s distinguish between the roster today and yesterday morning. It is markedly improved.  And regardless of Williams being an ill fit from the outset and us not pursuing Washington instead, I view this purely from the perspective of the team over the last 30 hours. Would you agree with this?

[Dbeasy 15076]

10 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Let’s distinguish between the roster today and yesterday morning. It is markedly improved.  And regardless of Williams being an ill fit from the outset and us not pursuing Washington instead, I view this purely from the perspective of the team over the last 30 hours. Would you agree with this?

Well you can’t ignore the first round draft rights that have been lost through this whole process. That would be an incorrect comparison. And while you may not think much of first round draft picks, anything in the top 15 can be game changing for a franchise. 

[Rex Kramer 1344]

1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

we absolutely did not fleece anyone.  what you would've given charlotte two first rounders for washington?  maybe thrown in josh green's poison pilled contract? or maybe you would've given washington more for gafford? 

 

i don't know where you get the idea i value 2nd round picks.  if i'm overrating 2nd rounders i would be glad to have washington send us two of them.  i view them as disposable, which if anything is undervaluing them since it's not long ago we've drafted contributors like jaden hardy and jalen brunson with them.

 

maybe i do overrate first round picks- but i don't think so.  teams around the nba highly value them as trade assets and seek as many as they can get in return.  also we're seeing how big of an effect derreck lively has on our team.  first round picks are important.  

I read your first explanation of the Gafford deal and was commenting on that. I know now we gave up a first rounder next year and in ‘27 for these two guys. The pick this year should be a bottom 5-7. Who knows in ‘27. 

We’re getting a more advanced Lively in Gafford, and we sorely need him with Lively injuries. We’re getting a 3rd/4th scoring option with PJ. I expect him to pretty quickly start at the 4. Gafford could start as well if Lively is down, and if he’s healthy, we get a guy that’ll be in a shortened playoff rotation at worst. If you told me we got two possible starters, both 25 that both help interior D (particularly Gafford who’s more effective than Lively), that bring a combined 24.5 ppg and 13.3 rpg (both in fewer than 29 mpg), I’d part with two first round picks that are sure to be low, and probably non-lottery in ‘27. 

I’m not sold on some newfound ability to draft by this franchise yet, and it’s a crapshoot at best even then. Yes, we might miss out on a Josh Howard, but how many of those have we made?  I like the Washington deal better because we have an opportunity to get a Brunson quality player next year. It’s sure to be a high second rounder. 

Clearly our roster was top heavy and pretty meh in the other starters and rotation guys.  We now have significantly upgraded the talent level of the team, addressed significant needs, and gave up nothing, and we are not likely to have given up much after these drafts. 

[Rex Kramer 1344]

30 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Well you can’t ignore the first round draft rights that have been lost through this whole process. That would be an incorrect comparison. And while you may not think much of first round draft picks, anything in the top 15 can be game changing for a franchise. 

I’m intentionally forgetting mistakes made in the offseason. It would’ve taken more to get PJ than Williams anyway. Moving forward, these were both good moves. 

[Henry Hill 3156]

Looks like Dinwiddie is down to us and the Lakers. We can offer ~$3-4M more but he’s from LA. Hope we land him.

[LurkingHorn 1066]

I’m kind of meh on Dinwiddie at this point. I guess he could be a decent fill-in when KI inevitably gets hurt again, but I’m not really interested in him playing a ton of meaningful minutes. 

[Henry Hill 3156]

2 hours ago, LurkingHorn said:

I’m kind of meh on Dinwiddie at this point. I guess he could be a decent fill-in when KI inevitably gets hurt again, but I’m not really interested in him playing a ton of meaningful minutes. 

Yep - cheap depth option

Looks like he’s LA bound

[gsoda3 3274]

Let’s distinguish between the roster today and yesterday morning. It is markedly improved.  And regardless of Williams being an ill fit from the outset and us not pursuing Washington instead, I view this purely from the perspective of the team over the last 30 hours. Would you agree with this?

Absolutely

[RexWilson 1348]

Great 1st qtr. Gafford already had 2 dunks off Luka passes. 

[LurkingHorn 1066]

The roster upgrades are obvious. We are way longer and more athletic. And we will still get Lively and Exum back. This team can do some damage post all star break. 

[LurkingHorn 1066]

Damn. I might be excited again. 

[crum 525]

Added youth, length, and energy while getting rid of the fat thumb Williams. Watching the selflessness of Gafford and Washington it is easy to see they were not the problems in their bad situations.

[ITHorn 801]

Amazing what happens when you give Luka a bunch of athletic high flying finishers. This is going to be a very fun second half. 

[gsoda3 3274]

We just boat raced not only one of the top 4 teams in the conference but also a team who has for the past couple of years given us problems with their length. We dominated both sides of the floor. That was fun.

[Rex Kramer 1344]

Goddamn that was a great debut by these two. Watched Skin’s post game interview and liked them both. Young athletic studs. Combined 33 and 14. Gafford 19 and 9 in just 17 minutes. 

Kleber with a nice day too. Luka didn’t even play the 4th, I don’t think. 

[Henry Hill 3156]

[Bozo_Casanova 26511]

 

[Don Johnson 4754]

 

[Henry Hill 3156]

5 hours ago, Don Johnson said:

 

I retract my previous statements. Go get your shine box, Spencer.

[dcar00 14318]

Bad THJ is really bad

first half 11min, 11 shots, 2 makes, 3 fouls, 0 assists.

losing to a 9 win team with Luka and Irving.

[LurkingHorn 1066]

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

Bad THJ is really bad

first half 11min, 11 shots, 2 makes, 3 fouls, 0 assists.

losing to a 9 win team with Luka and Irving.

Yea I think he’s playing himself out of minutes if that continues. He’s in a very bad way at the moment and we now have options. 
 

Still won even if it was ugly. I don’t think anyone was predicting a 5-game winning streak 10 days ago. 
 

we need to stop playing THJ and Hardy at the same time. It’s not pretty. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26511]

8 hours ago, LurkingHorn said:

we need to stop playing THJ and Hardy at the same time. It’s not pretty. 

If only there was a person who could make that decision in real time.

[dcar00 14318]

11 hours ago, LurkingHorn said:

Yea I think he’s playing himself out of minutes if that continues. He’s in a very bad way at the moment and we now have options. 
 

Still won even if it was ugly. I don’t think anyone was predicting a 5-game winning streak 10 days ago. 
 

we need to stop playing THJ and Hardy at the same time. It’s not pretty. 

Yeah ugly win.  a shot a minute is pretty impressive pace especially when you are making under 20%.  That is a crazy stat line.  Got to admit he's got balls and don't give a fuck.  he took 2 more and missed both and played 11min in the second half.  

[gsoda3 3274]

Timmy being so frustratingly bad when he's off is a direct result of why he's so valuable - he doesn't have a memory, he just keeps shooting. We need our outside shooters to not hesitate on open shots (ahem maxi) otherwise our offensive spacing and pacing crumples.

[Drew 2500]

Timmy literally is unplayable when he's nto hitting his shots...before the trade it seemed like Kidd realized this, and was sitting him more...but he played him WAY too much last night

[dcar00 14318]

2 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

Timmy being so frustratingly bad when he's off is a direct result of why he's so valuable - he doesn't have a memory, he just keeps shooting. We need our outside shooters to not hesitate on open shots (ahem maxi) otherwise our offensive spacing and pacing crumples.

you make zero percent of the shots you don't take.

[Drew 2500]

23 hours ago, dcar00 said:

you make zero percent of the shots you don't take.

And most the ones Timmy is taking right now

 

[LurkingHorn 1066]

6 game win streak heading into the break. Still a decent shot at the 5 seed. Would need a lot of help getting above that.

[Henry Hill 3156]

1 hour ago, LurkingHorn said:

6 game win streak heading into the break. Still a decent shot at the 5 seed. Would need a lot of help getting above that.

Still a shot at the 1 seed if we win out.

[idigTexas 2289]

6 hours ago, Henry Hill said:

Still a shot at the 1 seed if we win out.

[idigTexas 2289]

The 6-game streak is great, and unlike other stretches this year, it doesn't feel like it is all smoke and mirrors.  I would love to get to the 6 spot to miss out on the play-in shit.  Other than that, I'd like to avoid the Clippers and Nuggets in the first round.  

[Henry Hill 3156]

[gsoda3 3274]

our defense... it's getting there. 

[LurkingHorn 1066]

I’ve been as big a pessimist in this thread as anyone, but I think we have something with this roster. Still Exum to return as well. 

[crum 525]

trade deadline masterclass feels like.. big road stretch coming up with Indiana, Cleveland, Raptors, and Celtics. 3 of the top 6 in the East and the always annoying Raptors. should learn a lot after an impressive win tonight

[dcar00 14318]

we will see what happens on this road trip but it appears the D is better.  props to Kidd if they keep it up.

[Henry Hill 3156]

Brutal end to an absolute dumpster fire of a finish.

[Sgt Hulk 13815]

Fuk