2023 - 2024 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread - I'm watching, just like you guys

[dcar00 14147]

unfucking believable...

[Firemans4Horn 18034]

[gsoda3 3245]

on a positive note our interior defense is a LOT better this year with lively and since the trade deadline with PJW and gafford. along with that length our smalls have also gotten smarter at knocking out balls when the other teams brings them down below chest level.  i think they've picked that up from kyrie-  josh and luka especially have noticeable improved in that area.  our 3 pt defending is .. woof.  we're giving away lots of open looks.  we got lucky for a couple games where the other teams didn't convert and the cavs went on a ridiculous streak last night which skews the results a bit but that and our transition defense are now our biggest weaknesses.  one thing at a time though.

[LurkingHorn 1066]

Nice bounce back. This is one of the rare times it was good to have a game the very next night. 

[dcar00 14147]

we suck

[Dbeasy 15040]

1. Jason Kidd as head coach was a bad decision.

2. Hearing Brunson say he wanted to stay but Dallas ghosted him during the season was disconcerting, for sure.

3. Wasting Luca is frustrating. 

4. I highly questioned the Nico hire primarily because of his lack of experience as an NBA GM.  

5. I never liked the long runs of Don and Donnie.

6. Disassembling the championship team immediately was puzzling.

7. The constant lack of focus on defense is frustrating.

8. The long term worthless or missing draft picks outside of two Euro stars is concerning.  

At some point you have to wonder if Cuban is nothing more than an internet bubble baby who lucked into a $2 billion exit on top of a fairly worthless business built with funny money, and once loaded simply used his incredible wealth and influence to make more money, like all billionaires can do pretty easily. I like Cuban but I don’t think he’s nearly as smart or effective as his wealth and reputation implies. 

[InkaUtexas 25855]

18 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

1. Jason Kidd as head coach was a bad decision.

2. Hearing Brunson say he wanted to stay but Dallas ghosted him during the season was disconcerting, for sure.

3. Wasting Luca is frustrating. 

4. I highly questioned the Nico hire primarily because of his lack of experience as an NBA GM.  

5. I never liked the long runs of Don and Donnie.

6. Disassembling the championship team immediately was puzzling.

7. The constant lack of focus on defense is frustrating.

8. The long term worthless or missing draft picks outside of two Euro stars is concerning.  

At some point you have to wonder if Cuban is nothing more than an internet bubble baby who lucked into a $2 billion exit on top of a fairly worthless business built with funny money, and once loaded simply used his incredible wealth and influence to make more money, like all billionaires can do pretty easily. I like Cuban but I don’t think he’s nearly as smart or effective as his wealth and reputation implies. 

[dcar00 14147]

10 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

1. Jason Kidd as head coach was a bad decision.

2. Hearing Brunson say he wanted to stay but Dallas ghosted him during the season was disconcerting, for sure.

3. Wasting Luca is frustrating. 

4. I highly questioned the Nico hire primarily because of his lack of experience as an NBA GM.  

5. I never liked the long runs of Don and Donnie.

6. Disassembling the championship team immediately was puzzling.

7. The constant lack of focus on defense is frustrating.

8. The long term worthless or missing draft picks outside of two Euro stars is concerning.  

At some point you have to wonder if Cuban is nothing more than an internet bubble baby who lucked into a $2 billion exit on top of a fairly worthless business built with funny money, and once loaded simply used his incredible wealth and to make more money, like all billionaires can do pretty easily. I like Cuban but I don’t think he’s nearly as smart or effective as his wealth and reputation implies. 

Timing is everything.  He was in at the beginning of the PC Boom like Dell and then he sold at the right time during dot com bubble.  he could be lucky or he could know something.  Seems to know tech.

He's basically gonna waste 2 top 25 NBA players because he knows shitall about basketball.  He's tech money version of Jerry Jones.

[LurkingHorn 1066]

Nico is doing fine given the shit hand he was dealt. They have a decent roster now that is more talented than the one they made it to the WCF with. 
 

Time to cut the cord on Kidd, though, or I will call for Nico to go as well. Dude just brings nothing to the table. Not being a top 6 seed with this bunch just isn’t okay. 

[Vic Mackey 47006]

Jason Kidd makes Avery Johnson look like Phil Jackson. No idea how that loser is still here. He has no feel for in game management at all.

[Bozo_Casanova 26432]

If Hardaway is cold we lose. It’s been that way for a few years. Mavs are better with Gafford/Washington, but they still need a real #3 and Kidd isn’t the guy. 

[dcar00 14147]

3 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

If Hardaway is cold we lose. It’s been that way for a few years. Mavs are better with Gafford/Washington, but they still need a real #3 and Kidd isn’t the guy. 

this.  Washington and Hardaway were 1-13 from 3 today.

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Kidd has to go.  Maybe Kenny Attkinson or maybe even coach Bud would be a a huge upgrade.

[idigTexas 2284]

17 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

If Hardaway is cold we lose. It’s been that way for a few years. Mavs are better with Gafford/Washington, but they still need a real #3 and Kidd isn’t the guy. 

I like Kidd as a 3 more than as a coach.  

[gsoda3 3245]

22 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

1. Jason Kidd as head coach was a bad decision.

he doesn't scheme.  players love him because he doesn't yell at them and doesn't keep them accountable.  players also respect his playing career.  he's not a leader.  he doesn't make his team better.  he doesn't keep himself accountable.  he wouldn't be a terrible coach for a team that has strong veteran leadership with a solid identity.  but he's a terrible coach for a team who needs a strong guiding voice that teaches a team how to win.  he should never have been hired for this team.  i think cuban hired him b/c he's likable.  all the failed free agent trysts with jordan, dwill, dwight howard... plague cuban and he desperately needed someone who FAs and players (esp LD77 in light of his fallout with rick carlisle) would find attractive.  hence kidd. 

 

 

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3. Wasting Luca is frustrating. 

we are doing him no favors by keeping kidd as HC.  he needs to be strongarmed into growing up.  take each game, each possession, the entire process from pregames to postgames to offseason... seriously.

 

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4. I highly questioned the Nico hire primarily because of his lack of experience as an NBA GM.  

i did too but he's been great other than the brunson debacle and who knows what really happened there. 

 

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7. The constant lack of focus on defense is frustrating.

i don't think there's a lack of focus on defense.  the coaching staff has a plan and the players are trying hard.  the gm has been trying to find the players necessary to execute the plan.  in reality, the coaching staff's plan is rubbish and is next to impossible to work in today's NBA.  you can't have a team of small perimeter guys who can't defend 1v1 rotating all over the floor after collapsing on someone in the paint.  every team in the NBA can shoot from behind the arc especially when they're left open because you came off them to help defend.  

[Post Oak 20204]

What I find so frustrating about Kidd along with everything mentioned is that he was a magnificent defender.  On and off ball.  He was a basketball genius that could see two passes ahead but doesn't help his team offensively at all.  

It's like he forgot all the things that made him so good as a player. 

Also Fuck Mark Cuban 

[idigTexas 2284]

16 hours ago, Post Oak said:

What I find so frustrating about Kidd along with everything mentioned is that he was a magnificent defender.  On and off ball.  He was a basketball genius that could see two passes ahead but doesn't help his team offensively at all.  

It's like he forgot all the things that made him so good as a player. 

Also Fuck Mark Cuban 

The issue is that Kidd isn't coaching Kidd.  He knows what to do, but he is incapable of teaching someone else how to do it.  He was a great improviser, and that is something you can't teach.  And let's be fare, as great of a player as he was, he only has one ring to show for it, and he owes that mostly to Dirk.  

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Why isn’t someone reminding him that Gafford was playing great AND they gave up a first round pick to get him. Burying him on the bench behind maxi makes absolutely no sense.

[LurkingHorn 1066]

1 hour ago, Fastbreak said:

Why isn’t someone reminding him that Gafford was playing great AND they gave up a first round pick to get him. Burying him on the bench behind maxi makes absolutely no sense.

Totally agree with this. The amount of minutes we're running Maxi out there is just stupid. He played 26 minutes against Philly and got 2....2 points. It's not an isolated game either. Here are his last 5 games. 

[gsoda3 3245]

1 hour ago, Fastbreak said:

Why isn’t someone reminding him that Gafford was playing great AND they gave up a first round pick to get him. Burying him on the bench behind maxi makes absolutely no sense.

kidd likes the offensive spacing he gets with maxi esp down the stretch.  same reason lively wasn't getting burn at the end of games.  another issue is maxi's the only big who can guard the other team's bigs on the perimeter.  as poorly as we guard the 3 point line i think it's a valid point.  i don't know what the answer is though b/c when maxi's out there we're getting outrebounded every time.  

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kidd likes the offensive spacing he gets with maxi esp down the stretch.  same reason lively wasn't getting burn at the end of games.  another issue is maxi's the only big who can guard the other team's bigs on the perimeter.  as poorly as we guard the 3 point line i think it's a valid point.  i don't know what the answer is though b/c when maxi's out there we're getting outrebounded every time.  

Why give up the 1st then? It’s like buying a new driver on a high interest credit card and keeping it in the bag to go with a 3 wood off the tee.

[texastroubadour 1210]

FIRE JASON KIDD. For the love of God and all that’s holy FIRE HIM TONIGHT 

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Gafford 16/10 in 21 minutes
Kleber 0/1 in 15 minutes
Lively 0/1 in 16 minutes

sure, Gafford is the #3 option...

[gsoda3 3245]

Lively and maxi were terrible tonight on both ends of the floor. Gafford was bad on defense despite his blocked shots but at least he contributed offensively. I can't believe how we couldn't grab defensive rebounds.

[LurkingHorn 1066]

This team has taken on the demeanor of their coach. Hands in pockets, no emotion, and just out there going through the motions. I can't believe Kidd has lasted as long as he has here. 

[idigTexas 2284]

On 2/15/2024 at 5:22 AM, idigTexas said:

The 6-game streak is great, and unlike other stretches this year, it doesn't feel like it is all smoke and mirrors.  I would love to get to the 6 spot to miss out on the play-in shit.  Other than that, I'd like to avoid the Clippers and Nuggets in the first round.  

I was wrong...it was smoke and mirrors.  

[Vic Mackey 47006]

This team has taken on the demeanor of their coach. Hands in pockets, no emotion, and just out there going through the motions. I can't believe Kidd has lasted as long as he has here. 

Jason Kidd is nothing more than Jason Garrett.

[dcar00 14147]

1 hour ago, LurkingHorn said:

This team has taken on the demeanor of their coach. Hands in pockets, no emotion, and just out there going through the motions. I can't believe Kidd has lasted as long as he has here. 

my favorite part is he sits almost all of the game but then gets up in the 4th quarter to act like he is "coaching". The roster is an issue but Kidd is just not a good coach.

[dcar00 14147]

1 hour ago, idigTexas said:

I was wrong...it was smoke and mirrors.  

yep.  we got some new toys.  teams needed some time to figure it out.  Kidd is holding the team back but we all knew that would be the case.  Luka and Irving were supposed to overcome his coaching.  They play sloppy against teams with a pulse. hardaway is still on the team...so that tells you the roster situation.

[Firemans4Horn 18034]

Does Jason Kidd design the team’s defense in crayon? Atrocious. 

[Don Johnson 4752]

 

[ITHorn 800]

I feel bad for THJ. Under a competent coach and certainly wherever he goes next he won't be getting nearly the same amount of attempts/minutes. 

[LurkingHorn 1066]

Fun to see us get to the basket at will. Lively and Gafford going off again. 

[10SNE1 116]

Is there a reason as to why Texas didn't, doesn't get a college night at one of the Mavs games this season? The hats for the other schools are actually nice. 

[Knoxtnhorn 5971]

*Sigh*

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Unreal winner Kyrie

[Bozo_Casanova 26432]

I’m happy about the outcome but Maxi looks horrible out there on both ends, and nearly cost the Mavs the game.

[Chewbacca 7766]

Unreal winner Kyrie

Yep. Crazy finish with him and Luka's long 3. Good game, Mavs.

[Knoxtnhorn 5971]

Damn.  I missed it.  Turned it to the selection show.

[ITHorn 800]

I can’t be the only one who almost had a stroke watching THJ nearly pull the trigger after getting that rebound at half court. Great team win though and great to see Lively play well in this type of matchup vs very capable Denver bigs.  

Edited March 17 by ITHorn

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59 minutes ago, ITHorn said:

I can’t be the only one who almost had a stroke watching THJ nearly pull the trigger after getting that rebound at half court. Great team win though and great to see Lively play well in this type of matchup vs very capable Denver bigs.  

Tim is such a hard watch. Him, PJ, and Maxi currently are brutal to watch on offense. PJ at least gets some boards, but goodness they're black holes

[LurkingHorn 1066]

Strange game. Nuggets shot better from the field, way better from 3, and better from the line, but the Mavs got 21 offensive rebounds. Weird box score. 

[gsoda3 3245]

These guys need to step up from beyond the arc.

[ITHorn 800]

I understand in theory why Tim keeps getting minutes. But at a certain point I think Kidd has to come to terms with the fact that it’s no longer a cold streak from 3 and just who he is as a player at this point. 

[gsoda3 3245]

I understand in theory why Tim keeps getting minutes. But at a certain point I think Kidd has to come to terms with the fact that it’s no longer a cold streak from 3 and just who he is as a player at this point. 

I disagree, Timmy's a lifetime 36% 3 point shooter over 11 seasons. This low 20% cold streak he's on will revert back to mean and it'll come in a string of ridiculous >40% games. In the meantime I think kidd's going to keep doing what he's done recently, giving him about 20 mins a game hoping he finds his rhythm. I wish Kidd would give Hardy Timmy's minutes though instead of exum. When exum plays too much he loses his efficiency and he starts to press.

[Rex Kramer 1331]

Kidd is handling THJ fine. If he’s off, he doesn’t really play much more than 15 minutes. 

PJ needs to just take the ball to the basket until he has a full offseason to work on his 3s. 

[LurkingHorn 1066]

14 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

I disagree, Timmy's a lifetime 36% 3 point shooter over 11 seasons. This low 20% cold streak he's on will revert back to mean and it'll come in a string of ridiculous >40% games. In the meantime I think kidd's going to keep doing what he's done recently, giving him about 20 mins a game hoping he finds his rhythm. I wish Kidd would give Hardy Timmy's minutes though instead of exum. When exum plays too much he loses his efficiency and he starts to press.
 

Agree here. Timmy will win us some games when he snaps out of this. But yea, the leash needs to be short until then. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26432]

Pretty entertaining game. The spurs court, logo, uniforms all suck tonight. Mavs cool as always

[Rex Kramer 1331]

Luka 4-21 from floor. But should cruise to trip doub. 

[Rex Kramer 1331]

0-9 to start the 4th. 6 threes attempted.