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Maybe overpaid but have meaningful depth for the first time in recent memory.
Yes I don't like the PJ trade because of what we gave up. But I like PJ as a player. A lot. It just leaves a bitter taste because we should always have made PJ Washington our main target this summer instead of Grant Williams and now I feel like it has cost us two first rounders to correct this mistake.
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6 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:
8 minutes ago, Henry Hill said:
Maybe overpaid but have meaningful depth for the first time in recent memory.

Yes I don't like the PJ trade because of what we gave up. But I like PJ as a player. A lot. It just leaves a bitter taste because we should always have made PJ Washington our main target this summer instead of Grant Williams and now I feel like it has cost us two first rounders to correct this mistake.

Fair points. 

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i saw we gave OKC swap rights to our 2028 first rounder in exchange for their least favorable 2024 first rounder, which we then sent to washington.  so washington ended up sending us gafford and two 2nd rounders.  i'm liking the gafford trade less for that.  

 

if i haven't mixed anything up, the only tradable first round draft capital we have now are our picks in 2025 and 2031.  we've issued swap rights for 2028 (OKC) and 2030 (SA). i suppose we could issue another swap right for 2026 but that's it.  

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23 hours ago, RexWilson said:

I like it. Starting 5 of Kyrie, Luka, Green, PJ, Lively. Bench rotation ofTHJ, Gafford, Exum, Jones Jr, Hardy.

Everyone else should be limited minutes. 

You just named 10 players. Not really  short rotation. You forgot Kleber and Powell. Or maybe you didn’t. I don’t ever want to see Powell play. 

These are two excellent trades. We have significantly improved our roster. 

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22 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

i saw we gave OKC swap rights to our 2028 first rounder in exchange for their least favorable 2024 first rounder, which we then sent to washington.  so washington ended up sending us gafford and two 2nd rounders.  i'm liking the gafford trade less for that.  

 

if i haven't mixed anything up, the only tradable first round draft capital we have now are our picks in 2025 and 2031.  we've issued swap rights for 2028 (OKC) and 2030 (SA). i suppose we could issue another swap right for 2026 but that's it.  

These were both no brainer trades where the Mavs fleeced teams. You vastly overrate draft picks, particularly 2nd round picks. 

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39 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

These were both no brainer trades where the Mavs fleeced teams. You vastly overrate draft picks, particularly 2nd round picks. 

we absolutely did not fleece anyone.  what you would've given charlotte two first rounders for washington?  maybe thrown in josh green's poison pilled contract? or maybe you would've given washington more for gafford? 

 

i don't know where you get the idea i value 2nd round picks.  if i'm overrating 2nd rounders i would be glad to have washington send us two of them.  i view them as disposable, which if anything is undervaluing them since it's not long ago we've drafted contributors like jaden hardy and jalen brunson with them.

 

maybe i do overrate first round picks- but i don't think so.  teams around the nba highly value them as trade assets and seek as many as they can get in return.  also we're seeing how big of an effect derreck lively has on our team.  first round picks are important.  

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1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

we absolutely did not fleece anyone.  what you would've given charlotte two first rounders for washington?  maybe thrown in josh green's poison pilled contract? or maybe you would've given washington more for gafford? 

 

i don't know where you get the idea i value 2nd round picks.  if i'm overrating 2nd rounders i would be glad to have washington send us two of them.  i view them as disposable, which if anything is undervaluing them since it's not long ago we've drafted contributors like jaden hardy and jalen brunson with them.

 

maybe i do overrate first round picks- but i don't think so.  teams around the nba highly value them as trade assets and seek as many as they can get in return.  also we're seeing how big of an effect derreck lively has on our team.  first round picks are important.  

Let’s distinguish between the roster today and yesterday morning. It is markedly improved.  And regardless of Williams being an ill fit from the outset and us not pursuing Washington instead, I view this purely from the perspective of the team over the last 30 hours. Would you agree with this?

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10 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Let’s distinguish between the roster today and yesterday morning. It is markedly improved.  And regardless of Williams being an ill fit from the outset and us not pursuing Washington instead, I view this purely from the perspective of the team over the last 30 hours. Would you agree with this?

Well you can’t ignore the first round draft rights that have been lost through this whole process. That would be an incorrect comparison. And while you may not think much of first round draft picks, anything in the top 15 can be game changing for a franchise. 

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1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

we absolutely did not fleece anyone.  what you would've given charlotte two first rounders for washington?  maybe thrown in josh green's poison pilled contract? or maybe you would've given washington more for gafford? 

 

i don't know where you get the idea i value 2nd round picks.  if i'm overrating 2nd rounders i would be glad to have washington send us two of them.  i view them as disposable, which if anything is undervaluing them since it's not long ago we've drafted contributors like jaden hardy and jalen brunson with them.

 

maybe i do overrate first round picks- but i don't think so.  teams around the nba highly value them as trade assets and seek as many as they can get in return.  also we're seeing how big of an effect derreck lively has on our team.  first round picks are important.  

I read your first explanation of the Gafford deal and was commenting on that. I know now we gave up a first rounder next year and in ‘27 for these two guys. The pick this year should be a bottom 5-7. Who knows in ‘27. 

We’re getting a more advanced Lively in Gafford, and we sorely need him with Lively injuries. We’re getting a 3rd/4th scoring option with PJ. I expect him to pretty quickly start at the 4. Gafford could start as well if Lively is down, and if he’s healthy, we get a guy that’ll be in a shortened playoff rotation at worst. If you told me we got two possible starters, both 25 that both help interior D (particularly Gafford who’s more effective than Lively), that bring a combined 24.5 ppg and 13.3 rpg (both in fewer than 29 mpg), I’d part with two first round picks that are sure to be low, and probably non-lottery in ‘27. 

I’m not sold on some newfound ability to draft by this franchise yet, and it’s a crapshoot at best even then. Yes, we might miss out on a Josh Howard, but how many of those have we made?  I like the Washington deal better because we have an opportunity to get a Brunson quality player next year. It’s sure to be a high second rounder. 

Clearly our roster was top heavy and pretty meh in the other starters and rotation guys.  We now have significantly upgraded the talent level of the team, addressed significant needs, and gave up nothing, and we are not likely to have given up much after these drafts. 

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30 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Well you can’t ignore the first round draft rights that have been lost through this whole process. That would be an incorrect comparison. And while you may not think much of first round draft picks, anything in the top 15 can be game changing for a franchise. 

I’m intentionally forgetting mistakes made in the offseason. It would’ve taken more to get PJ than Williams anyway. Moving forward, these were both good moves. 

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Let’s distinguish between the roster today and yesterday morning. It is markedly improved.  And regardless of Williams being an ill fit from the outset and us not pursuing Washington instead, I view this purely from the perspective of the team over the last 30 hours. Would you agree with this?
Absolutely
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1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

Bad THJ is really bad

first half 11min, 11 shots, 2 makes, 3 fouls, 0 assists.

losing to a 9 win team with Luka and Irving.

Yea I think he’s playing himself out of minutes if that continues. He’s in a very bad way at the moment and we now have options. 
 

Still won even if it was ugly. I don’t think anyone was predicting a 5-game winning streak 10 days ago. 
 

we need to stop playing THJ and Hardy at the same time. It’s not pretty. 

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11 hours ago, LurkingHorn said:

Yea I think he’s playing himself out of minutes if that continues. He’s in a very bad way at the moment and we now have options. 
 

Still won even if it was ugly. I don’t think anyone was predicting a 5-game winning streak 10 days ago. 
 

we need to stop playing THJ and Hardy at the same time. It’s not pretty. 

Yeah ugly win.  a shot a minute is pretty impressive pace especially when you are making under 20%.  That is a crazy stat line.  Got to admit he's got balls and don't give a fuck.  he took 2 more and missed both and played 11min in the second half.  

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Timmy being so frustratingly bad when he's off is a direct result of why he's so valuable - he doesn't have a memory, he just keeps shooting. We need our outside shooters to not hesitate on open shots (ahem maxi) otherwise our offensive spacing and pacing crumples.

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2 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

Timmy being so frustratingly bad when he's off is a direct result of why he's so valuable - he doesn't have a memory, he just keeps shooting. We need our outside shooters to not hesitate on open shots (ahem maxi) otherwise our offensive spacing and pacing crumples.

you make zero percent of the shots you don't take.

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