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10 hours ago, Captain Obvious said:

Plenty of wiggle room for the medical staff.  They "felt" playing wouldn't make the injury worse, not they "know" playing wouldn't make the injury worse.  Also, original injury was supposedly to his calf, new injury is to his achilles.  

 

Gastroc/soleus and proximal end of Achilles is really all the ‘calf’.  Not crazy to think they’re related.  I know he had MRI but I’m hoping he also had MSK U/S of the Achilles.  I’ve been surprised by team docs before.  

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11 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Gastroc/soleus and proximal end of Achilles is really all the ‘calf’.  Not crazy to think they’re related.  I know he had MRI but I’m hoping he also had MSK U/S of the Achilles.  I’ve been surprised by team docs before.  

How does this affect his dick moving forward? Still full function? 

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He should not have played. Richard Sherman is wrong. There can be a way to stop these things from happening and that is leaving the decision to doctors who are entirely independent and accountable to their profession. I have to laugh at the above poster who said it is incomprehensible that the doctors didn’t do their due diligence. We are talking about “team” doctors here. There is a reason many athletes end up going to independent specialists and it has nothing to with the technical ability of team doctors. Man cannot have two masters. Nowhere is this adage more clear than in medicine. You can’t serve a team and serve an athlete with the same degree of professionalism. Can’t be done. What doctor would state that an Achilles injury that kept him out that long could not be made worse by returning to a high performance situation? This isn’t second guessing. I thought it was a bad decision going in and several other physicians did too.

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name any random non-contact, soft tissue injury and the odds are very very high that you not only need more than 30 days to fully recover, but that the injury will worsen/a new injury will occur. you don't need a PhD to know that. this injury shouldn't be a huge surprise to anyone. huge shame though. 

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2 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Gastroc/soleus and proximal end of Achilles is really all the ‘calf’.  Not crazy to think they’re related.  I know he had MRI but I’m hoping he also had MSK U/S of the Achilles.  I’ve been surprised by team docs before.  

Team doctors are employed by the same people who want all their players to play as often as possible. They are not independent at all. This isn't even close to the first time a staff cleared a player to play before he was really ready. Players can play on all types of injuries. Does not mean it is smart. Sending KD out there was ignorant. I would the staff needs to be reprimanded but we all know they were being leaned on by their bosses to clear him. You mean to tell me he miraculously was ready to play in game 5 but couldn't in any previous game? The injury didn't heal that much if it all in that short time. The risk of this was very high. 

And this is exactly why Kawhi did what he did. He doesn't trust team doctors who answers to the same people who want him to play since they invested in him. Conflict of interest. Same as these medical staffs in the NFL injecting these players full of who knows what and all these pills to get them back on the field as quickly as possible. Owners will do anything they can to win. Those tears when KD got hurt like this was from guilt. They knew he wasn't fully healed but they rolled the dice being down 3-1 and getting desperate. And it backfired and fucked him up. More and more players moving forward are most likely going to want independent advice when it is injuries like this. 

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No they're just still butthurt because he didn't pick San Antonio.
"Don't be a pussy and join the team that beat you and then lost the Finals! Be a man and prove you can win a title on your own by joining our 5-time championship team that still has 2 of the 3 main championship winning stars, an up-and-coming superstar, and that championship coach!"


Keep fucking that chicken Huck. Find one place where that’s been suggested. He could have gone to any other team and nobody would have blinked. He went to the one place he knew he could be pretty much guaranteed a title. That is why people don’t have respect for him. Well, that and he acts like a teenage girl at times.
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3 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Gastroc/soleus and proximal end of Achilles is really all the ‘calf’.  Not crazy to think they’re related.  I know he had MRI but I’m hoping he also had MSK U/S of the Achilles.  I’ve been surprised by team docs before.  

Yeah man I hate it when doctors do an MSK U/S of the achilles

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11 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Can we talk about “polite” Canadians booing an injured player? I feel like that country has been pulling a fast one on the rest of the world for decades now. Secretly they are a bunch shitty devils.

If they're human, then they're pieces of shit like the rest of us.

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34 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

Confirmed. Ruptured achilles.

 

 

Hope he comes back as close to 100% as possible. 

And if they do somehow win it in 7 - Durant will have stamped his contributions on another championship - albeit less so than the past two. He played 90 games this season. 

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3 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Team doctors are employed by the same people who want all their players to play as often as possible. They are not independent at all. This isn't even close to the first time a staff cleared a player to play before he was really ready. Players can play on all types of injuries. Does not mean it is smart. Sending KD out there was ignorant. I would the staff needs to be reprimanded but we all know they were being leaned on by their bosses to clear him. You mean to tell me he miraculously was ready to play in game 5 but couldn't in any previous game? The injury didn't heal that much if it all in that short time. The risk of this was very high. 

And this is exactly why Kawhi did what he did. He doesn't trust team doctors who answers to the same people who want him to play since they invested in him. Conflict of interest. Same as these medical staffs in the NFL injecting these players full of who knows what and all these pills to get them back on the field as quickly as possible. Owners will do anything they can to win. Those tears when KD got hurt like this was from guilt. They knew he wasn't fully healed but they rolled the dice being down 3-1 and getting desperate. And it backfired and fucked him up. More and more players moving forward are most likely going to want independent advice when it is injuries like this. 

You're preaching to the choir my man.  I'm hoping for the best, but have stated multiple times they likely did err on the side of being too aggressive.  And damn it Housious, you hate it when they don't do an MSK U/S.  Jokes aside, hope he makes a full recovery, gets over the twitter issues, and crushes it the rest of his HOF career. 

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1 hour ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

It wasn't just team doctors....

 

 

Rick Celebrini is Canadian. I still think Chelsea Lane would have never let this happen. The Achilles is connected to the calf. I can’t see how everyone is blindsided by this. 

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6 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

name any random non-contact, soft tissue injury and the odds are very very high that you not only need more than 30 days to fully recover, but that the injury will worsen/a new injury will occur. you don't need a PhD to know that. this injury shouldn't be a huge surprise to anyone. huge shame though. 

You don’t need an MD to know that, either.

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16 hours ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

It wasn't just team doctors....

 

 

Exactly.  Kevin Durant is an NBA superstar.  NBA superstars have their own teams--trainers, masseuse, chef, agents, doctors--around them who aren't on the team's payroll.  It wasn't like KD was sitting around on his couch not expecting to play, the Warriors fell down 1-3, and, all of the sudden, the team doctors were rushing him back.  Getting him back before the end of the season has been everyone's goal since the first MRI over a month ago, and he had been rehabbing as such.  Missing the Finals--the thing that gets him out of bed at 4am in the summer to get up shots--would have been devastating to him.

His team, in collaboration with the Warriors, agreed that it was worth the risk to play.  That the most likely negative outcome would be a re-injury of the calf, and the chances for a more serious injury--like an Achilles--because of a less than 100% calf were minimal.  It backfired, and it sucks.  But almost every player on the court tonight has some kind of injury that puts them at higher risk for a more serious injury because of a weak link in that muscle group or a subconscious compensation for their existing injury.  Kawhi and Iggy have been hobbling around for a month.  That's pretty much professional sports in a nutshell.

Don't get me wrong: I'm glad that the NBA (unlike the NFL where, frankly, the individual players don't matter) is trending towards playing it overly safe with its players--and that the players have the power to seek out a second opinion. But if we required everyone to truly be at 100% to play, this Finals would be down to Patrick McCaw, Jeremy Lin, and Jacob Evans.

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It still wouldn't hurt to do a postmortem review of the exact processes/tests that were used in collaboration for reaching a consensus on KD's ability to play and/or risk factor, etc.  Having a third party medical board/team review it independently certainly could help identify possible ways to improve future situations with other NBA players.  Maybe everything was done correct and there is literally nothing else that could have been done, but with the specific timing/location of the injury and the exact situation involved, it certainly doesn't hurt to review everything that happened for the benefit/sake of other athletes and possibly other teams being able to learn from this as well.

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16 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

 


Begs the question. Why do they need 82 fucking regular season games?

 

it's going to go down in the near future. these new in-season tournaments will coincide with the number of regular season games hopefully dropping down into the sixties, and will also give star players more scheduled days of rest. 

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We're not far from the superstars, and maybe the second tier players, just deciding they're playing 65-72 games a year, and that's it.  If enough of them do it, there's not shit the league or owners can do except adapt.  We'll see if Kawhi's playbook this year was a trend setter or not.

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1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

That and it would affect career stats.

Other than career points, does anyone actually care about total stats? John Stockton is barely in the best point guard conversation, despite being the all-time leader in assists and steals.

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