THE College Football Playoff Rankings Thread [MICH,WASH,TEX,ALA]

[markstanco 12577]

Liberty wasn’t the 12th seed in the final CFP. It was OU.
https://collegefootballplayoff.com/news/2023/12/3/cfp-rankings-2023-1203.aspx
 
James Franklin might a secret genius. Beginning in 2024, lose to Michigan and Ohio State, win the other 10 games and make the CFP every single year. 
 

James Franklin losing to osu and Michigan began before 2024.

[The Dog 44057]

 

[Hornlover 8830]

(Sorry not sorry if this is too CR for you)

[YGIFS 19450]

If we can accept alternative facts and murder people over it, we can let FSU have an alternative playoff.  Seminole fans are just the latest lagging indicator of how fucking stupid this country is.  At least we get to the beat the shit out of  decently smart schools like Washington, and then Michigan.  

[Guest]

5 hours ago, G650 said:

College football has always been part beauty contest. People looking for something else should follow another sport

Agree except for the last part.  College football is fixable…but they’re fighting that improvement tooth and nail in order to limit the flow of where that particular River of cash flows.

I love college football.  I don’t care at all for the business of college football.

Edited December 5, 2023 by slorch

[G650 14263]

6 minutes ago, slorch said:

Agree except for the last part.  College football is fixable…but they’re fighting that improvement tooth and nail in order to limit the flow of where that particular River of cash flows.

I love college football.  I don’t care at all for the business of college football.

Those are two entirely different subjects.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, G650 said:

Those are two entirely different subjects.

You made them one in your statement, and telling people toGTFO if they don’t like it.

The game of college football is awesome.  The way it is run is fucked up and corrupt.

Edited December 5, 2023 by slorch

[G650 14263]

5 minutes ago, slorch said:

You made them one in your statement, and telling people toGTFO if they don’t like it.

The game of college football is awesome.  The way it is run is fucked up and corrupt.

Say what now?

[cmontexas 3271]

13 minutes ago, slorch said:

Agree except for the last part.  College football is fixable…but they’re fighting that improvement tooth and nail in order to limit the flow of where that particular River of cash flows.

I love college football.  I don’t care at all for the business of college football.

Personally I loved the beauty contest aspect and it worked for what it was. The 12 team playoff is going to remove a lot of what made CFB special and unique. OSU-MICH would have been basically worthless this year.

Plus look at TCU last year, an objectively great season that ended in ridicule. They beat Michigan, just like they beat Wisconsin that one time. If that had been the last game of the year everyone goes home feeling good.

We are going to spend all offseason bitching and forgetting the Big 12 title if we lose. Its now Championship or you're trash 

[Guest]

I am old enough to remember the bullshittery and nonsense of CoChampions.  Fuck the beauty contest. 

[Horn of Gabriel 1614]

4 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

Personally I loved the beauty contest aspect and it worked for what it was. The 12 team playoff is going to remove a lot of what made CFB special and unique. OSU-MICH would have been basically worthless this year.

The beauty contest is and was trash, the bowl system is the biggest joke in the world.  Multiple teams claiming MNCs?  Never settling it on the field?  Yuck.

OSU/UM will still have a lot of meaning.  Getting the conference championship for one, getting over on your rival, and getting a top 4 seed bye.  That bye is huge, it's one fewer game to win to win it all.

[TKthunder2 4991]

5 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

Personally I loved the beauty contest aspect and it worked for what it was. The 12 team playoff is going to remove a lot of what made CFB special and unique. OSU-MICH would have been basically worthless this year.

Plus look at TCU last year, an objectively great season that ended in ridicule. They beat Michigan, just like they beat Wisconsin that one time. If that had been the last game of the year everyone goes home feeling good.

We are going to spend all offseason bitching and forgetting the Big 12 title if we lose. Its now Championship or you're trash 

Next year they have no divisions…

So you want to talk about worthless…undefeated Ohio St vs undefeated Michigan on Nov 25th will literally mean nothing.

undefeated Michigan v one loss tOSU in Dec 2nd decides who will get the conference title and the first round bye.

[G650 14263]

The sport of college football is a beauty contest. That's literally the sport. It has nothing to do with how it's run (and it's clearly plenty fucked up how it's being run).

 

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just deluding themselves.

[TKthunder2 4991]

1 minute ago, G650 said:

The sport of college football is a beauty contest. That's literally the sport. It has nothing to do with how it's run (and it's clearly plenty fucked up how it's being run).

 

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just deluding themselves.

Yep

Most pro leagues have 30ish teams.

College football has 134 (70 in the P5).

College basketball has 360 or so.

You can’t say these things are the same.

[SpiralOut 1813]

52 minutes ago, G650 said:

The sport of college football is a beauty contest. That's literally the sport. It has nothing to do with how it's run (and it's clearly plenty fucked up how it's being run).

 

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just deluding themselves.

Well it isn't in the lower CFB leagues.  Somehow there's never a bit of controversy in FCS ball and nobody gives a flying fuck about SOS, the eye test, or completion percentages.  I wonder why.

 

[G650 14263]

5 minutes ago, SpiralOut said:

Well it isn't in the lower CFB leagues.  Somehow there's never a bit of controversy in FCS ball and nobody gives a flying fuck about SOS, the eye test, or completion percentages.  I wonder why.

 

Because it's a wholly different thing than FBS football

[Huckleberry 32861]

1 hour ago, cmontexas said:

 OSU-MICH would have been basically worthless this year.

Not even close. A better attempted example would be TX/OU because we lost but still won the conference and were top 4 (so a bye next year) while the team that won would have missed the 12 team playoff. But you know what? We lost our rivalry game, we are still pissed off about it, they are rightfully happy about it and within their rights to talk shit about it, and it will still mean as much as it ever has next October. 

[SpiralOut 1813]

2 minutes ago, G650 said:

Because it's a wholly different thing than FBS football

But it shouldn't be, right?

There are a gazillion FCS teams in like 13 conferences.  They have a legitimate playoff system and everyone is happy with it.  

It's what needs to happen in FBS.  Make two conferences with some divisions.  Winners go to the conference playoff (with some wildcard spots thrown in).  Conference champs play for the Natty.  Simple.  Effective.  Probably will never happen because it would mean the people at the top giving up the power to unilaterally do shit like keep a blue-blood undefeated program out because they won't bring in the same TV money.

[G650 14263]

4 minutes ago, SpiralOut said:

But it shouldn't be, right?

There are a gazillion FCS teams in like 13 conferences.  They have a legitimate playoff system and everyone is happy with it.  

It's what needs to happen in FBS.  Make two conferences with some divisions.  Winners go to the conference playoff (with some wildcard spots thrown in).  Conference champs play for the Natty.  Simple.  Effective.  Probably will never happen because it would mean the people at the top giving up the power to unilaterally do shit like keep a blue-blood undefeated program out because they won't bring in the same TV money.

 

It has nothing to do with should or shouldn't. FCS teams don't have the same disparity as FBS teams, that is the difference. But don't misunderstand me, I have been a playoff proponent since the 90's. It will take getting to the 12 team next year to finally realize a semblance of that goal because 4 teams doesn't capture every conference. The thing people need to understand though is that it will fundamentally make college football a different sport than it has been for 100+ years.

 

FWIW I honestly can't recall an undefeated blue blood being kept out.

[Valmy77 13226]

4 minutes ago, G650 said:

It has nothing to do with should or shouldn't. FCS teams don't have the same disparity as FBS teams, that is the difference. But don't misunderstand me, I have been a playoff proponent since the 90's. It will take getting to the 12 team next year to finally realize a semblance of that goal because 4 teams doesn't capture every conference. The thing people need to understand though is that it will fundamentally make college football a different sport than it has been for 100+ years.

What changed it was the internet. Before everybody was off in their little regional bubble and that made the old system kind of compelling. But any semblance of it sucks now. We aren't little regional football cultures anymore. We need a national playoff system. And things like voting on the Heisman has become a joke. Writers don't even support a local guy anymore because now the see the other candidates every single week and we have the internet and ESPN spreading the national narratives all the time.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Valmy77

[tbone_ 14126]

 
 
FWIW I honestly can't recall an undefeated blue blood being kept out.

Auburn 2004

[TKthunder2 4991]

The FCS gives autobids to conference champs and IS STILL A BEAUTY PAGEANT for their at large teams…just like the basketball tournament. Just nobody nationally cares about those left out since the field is already bloated.

The NFL gives bids to their division champs and sets criteria for their wildcards. That is not a beauty pageant but that can’t be done the same way in college football, because FBS does NOT have the same parity as the NFL. To do this the P4 would need to breakaway from the G5 at a minimum to limit the field and then maybe you could get close to NFL scenarios but with salary caps, a draft, transfer portal restrictions it’s still not going to be close to the same.

[G650 14263]

6 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

 

Auburn

 

[Bevoette 1268]

Ducks be sayin'

 

 

[Valmy77 13226]

So long as the conference champs get auto-bids the rest doesn't bother me too much.

And as for Texas I just don't see 1 loss or undefeated SEC teams being left out of at large bids even if the stupid super conferences are bullshit. But we will see I guess.

[Had Enough 2082]

Because it's a wholly different thing than FBS football

And nobody gives a shit about those other divisions. The playoffs are happening right now in other divisions and no one cares.

As previously mentioned, the NFL and basketball have significantly less and more teams. Both play more games. That means less variability in the schedule. And there is bitching about March Madness every year anyway.

A 12 team format only makes arguments differ. Why does such and such deserve a bye? Why do they get a home game over us? They’re not worthy of the 12 spot over us. You think the SEC and Big 10 will be satisfied when a G5 gets a spot over their 4th team? I don’t, but who knows.

Best guess is it goes to 64 teams in conferences, and they play it out amongst those in the regular season. Get it down to 8. Then conference winners down to 4. They’ll play games in shitty venues like Att and NRG with lower capacities and less than great environments.

[Valmy77 13226]

Just now, Had Enough said:

As previously mentioned, the NFL and basketball have significantly less and more teams. Both play more games. That means less variability in the schedule. And there is bitching about March Madness every year anyway.

 

Yeah. Which shitty sub-.500 Big 10 team got left out. Talk about pitiful bitching.

Go lose in the NIT losers.

[Hornlover 8830]

6 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Yeah. Which shitty sub-.500 Big 10 team got left out. Talk about pitiful bitching.

Go lose in the NIT losers.

I'll have you know that the mighty Texas A&M Aggies are in the SEC, sir.

[TKthunder2 4991]

It’s going to 12 teams with autobids to the highest ranked 6 champions (likely dropping to 5 with the death of the PAC12).

The SEC and Big Ten champs will always get in and I assume the Big 12 and ACC champ will too, unless they go the way of the Big East.

The controversy over autobids will be at the G5 level between the MWC, AAC, and others. See this year Liberty getting a NY6 bowl over SMU. Still somewhat a beauty contest.

After that it will be mostly comparing 2/3 loss non champs against each other for those final spots.

If in place this year that would be Oregon, Mizzou, Ole Miss, Pedo, OU, Iowa, LSU, Arizona, Louisville, ND

Do you give preference to CCG participants like Oregon/Iowa/Louisville? Is it SOS/SOR based? Player availability? Game control? That bullshit will still be around but at far lower stakes and I think that might be for the best as it will allow multiple teams to think that they still have an outside chance of hitting that gutshot straight and weaseling their way into the playoffs.

I think that system would actually be better than the NFL’s wildcard where you 100% know the outcome. But maybe that’s just my unpopular opinion.

[Had Enough 2082]

Yeah. Which shitty sub-.500 Big 10 team got left out. Talk about pitiful bitching.
Go lose in the NIT losers.

There’s also bitching about seeding/matchups, locations. That is a big deal like it or not.

[Valmy77 13226]

4 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

There’s also bitching about seeding/matchups, locations. That is a big deal like it or not.

Sure. But that's a totally different thing than being left out entirely.

We are never going to have a platonically perfect system. It sucked in 2003 when our defending national champion baseball team was forced by the committee to go on the road to #1 seed Florida State but hey we won. It was shitty and disrespectful but we were given a chance. That's a fuck of a lot better than what Florida State is being given this year in football. I bet they wish all they were bitching about was their seeding.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Valmy77

[G650 14263]

8 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

It’s going to 12 teams with autobids to the highest ranked 6 champions (likely dropping to 5 with the death of the PAC12).

The SEC and Big Ten champs will always get in and I assume the Big 12 and ACC champ will too, unless they go the way of the Big East.

The controversy over autobids will be at the G5 level between the MWC, AAC, and others. See this year Liberty getting a NY6 bowl over SMU. Still somewhat a beauty contest.

After that it will be mostly comparing 2/3 loss non champs against each other for those final spots.

If in place this year that would be Oregon, Mizzou, Ole Miss, Pedo, OU, Iowa, LSU, Arizona, Louisville, ND

Do you give preference to CCG participants like Oregon/Iowa/Louisville? Is it SOS/SOR based? Player availability? Game control? That bullshit will still be around but at far lower stakes and I think that might be for the best as it will allow multiple teams to think that they still have an outside chance of hitting that gutshot straight and weaseling their way into the playoffs.

I think that system would actually be better than the NFL’s wildcard where you 100% know the outcome. But maybe that’s just my unpopular opinion.

I concur

[The Dog 44057]

 

[Valmy77 13226]

Yeah I was thinking about how Notre Dame got fucked over in 1993 and then FSU just barely squeaked by Nebraska to win the national title.

Totally forgot about WV also being unbeaten. LOL

Sometime the hype train carries you to victory, other times it runs you over. Sort of funny to see a guy from that team bitching about the current situation.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Valmy77

[Valmy77 13226]

I remember after ND beat FSU the national media was really sad about it. And the next week against NC State they were already building up the hype train for a rematch with ND. But then ND got upset by Boston College got sent to the Cotton Bowl against A&M despite the whole head-to-head thing.

[ztejas 43454]

16 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Kanell said that if you're just going to put the 4 best teams in then Georgia and tOSU should be in over Texas and UW.

I was like... okay bro.

[Valmy77 13226]

Him arguing Washington is worse than FSU is hilariously idiotic.

But he did attend FSU, so what do you expect?

[Had Enough 2082]

Sure. But that's a totally different thing than being left out entirely.
We are never going to have a platonically perfect system. It sucked in 2003 when our defending national champion baseball team was forced by the committee to go on the road to #1 seed Florida State but hey we won. It was shitty and disrespectful but we were given a chance. That's a fuck of a lot better than what Florida State is being given this year in football. I bet they wish all they were bitching about was their seeding.

Well sure. I personally don’t believe FSU did any better/more than Ohio State or Georgia. I think Oregon would beat them too. With Travis playing. In my opinion they won them all because the challenges were limited.

[NoName 16352]

1 hour ago, tbone_ said:

 

Auburn 2004

not a blue blood

 

Edited December 5, 2023 by NoName

[Valmy77 13226]

Ohio State is fucking ridiculous. They are never down or bad. Their worst years are the ones they lose to Michigan but still win 9 games.

[bullet 1597]

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-proposing-new-college-athletics-subdivision-rooted-in-direct-athlete-compensation-145051537.html

Big realignment stimulator.

"Of the many recent changes in college athletics, the most transformative — and revolutionary — may be on the way.

NCAA president Charlie Baker is planning to introduce this week a proposal to create a new subdivision within Division I that grants certain schools more autonomy around policy-making and permits them to compensate athletes in a new and profound way.

In a letter sent to Division I members, and obtained by Yahoo Sports, Baker outlines a groundbreaking and radical change to the NCAA Division I athletics model, describing it as a “new forward-looking framework.”

According to Baker’s proposal, schools that choose to be part of the new subdivision — they can opt in or out — are required to meet a strict minimum standard rooted in athlete investment....

 

 

[A’Dam Psycho 1470]

Florida St didn’t get screwed, bamboozled, hoodwinked, etc, they didn’t get picked simple as that. Everyone knew ahead of time this committee was gonna pick four teams they think are the best. Florida St without Travis loses to most of the top 15. They’re literally double digit dogs to UGA. Committee got it right

[Pancho 44808]

Quote

Playoff announcement 

Nobody knew the result in advance. There was plenty of confidence Texas was in but there were still some nervous moments until the last second. I think the team’s reaction said it all. 

The room where everyone gathered just opened last week and that was the first time the team gathered there. That was their first breakfast there. I don’t know if it was intentional, but now every time they eat there they’ll remember the feeling of making the playoffs. 

From IT

[TexArcher 37793]

2 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

You hope they go and smoke Georgia?

Well, I hope Sofia Vergara knocks on my door and demands to pleasure me in every room of my home, and in every position and way I can think of, from now until New Year's, taking breaks only to cook amazing South American meats for me.

Yeah, mine might be a little selfish, be at least it isn't completely impossible.

[horn009 139]

All of these FSU fans acting like the system is against them need to shut up and enjoy the Orange Bowl. They don't care to remember that they've been controversially given the benefit of doubt plenty of times. In 1993, they were awarded a natty over a Notre Dame team with the same record that beat them head-to-head and an undefeated West Virginia team. In 2000, they got to play in the natty against OU over a Miami team with the same record that beat them head-to-head. In 2014, they got to play in the playoff despite playing an incredibly weak schedule and barely scraping by their opponents every week, while a conference champion TCU was left out. In other words, FSU should spare everyone of their sob story. The system has favored them many times, but it didn't this time, and they can't stand it.

[Beau Vine 54231]

Danny Kanell is one of the dumbest people in sports media, and that's saying a lot.

[Valmy77 13226]

3 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Danny Kanell is one of the dumbest people in sports media, and that's saying a lot.

Yet one of the smartest FSU grads.

[LonghornSean 3998]

A blast from the past

https://www.captiongenerator.com/v/2295216/hitler-hears-fsu-was-left-out-of-the-cfp

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by LonghornSean

[John Coctostan 591]

5 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

Do you give preference to CCG participants like Oregon/Iowa/Louisville? Is it SOS/SOR based? Player availability? Game control?

It will be based on quarterback completion percentage, the way God intended. 

[satyanash 14501]

4 hours ago, horn009 said:

All of these FSU fans acting like the system is against them need to shut up and enjoy the Orange Bowl. They don't care to remember that they've been controversially given the benefit of doubt plenty of times. In 1993, they were awarded a natty over a Notre Dame team with the same record that beat them head-to-head and an undefeated West Virginia team. In 2000, they got to play in the natty against OU over a Miami team with the same record that beat them head-to-head. In 2014, they got to play in the playoff despite playing an incredibly weak schedule and barely scraping by their opponents every week, while a conference champion TCU was left out. In other words, FSU should spare everyone of their sob story. The system has favored them many times, but it didn't this time, and they can't stand it.

One-loss FSU ranked ahead of three undefeated P5 teams AND a one-loss Notre Dame that beat them head-to-head... crazy to imagine a poll like this happening today.