Texas Rangers Offseason 2023-2024

[Fudbelty 2787]

He is and Mets are paying a good portion of his salary again.

[DougO 5243]

20 hours ago, Scary Stranger said:

Would take away a lot of roster flexibility to have a true full time DH that can’t do anything else next year. But then again it is Japanese Babe Ruth.

If it were the only massive investment the Rangers had, OK. But I'm not sure it is a good move for where the Rangers are now. I would rather have more consistent bats all through the lineup, a much better bullpen, and some younger starters with star potential that could be coming up through the ranks. It takes more guys to have a great team than one MVP shoe-in that couldn't get his team remotely close to a playoff spot. It might get them back next year, but It think they should be looking for something more sustainable long term.

Edited November 5, 2023 by DougO

[Don Johnson 4752]

The biggest concern with Ohtani is this is his second TJ. The recovery odds go way down. 
 

Obviously he can still be a HOF level hitter but if you’re paying half a billion, you’re expecting a two way player. 
 

I wonder if he could transition to a closer in the next part of his career and cut down on innings. 

[Sir Ulrich 5187]

2 hours ago, Gucci_Suit said:

Can’t underestimate the added revenue from signing a player like Shohei. There will be a post-WS windfall anyway, but you add Japanese Babe and you’ve got a whole other rev engine. 

Also- what’s the contract status with Max? I thought he was back next year but can’t find info on it. 

This ownership group has felt that impact from the Yu singing. I saw it firsthand when I watched a lady zoom in her camera and proceed to take pictures of Yu the whole game on his off day. Lol. 

Post championship we're gonna go over 3 million in attendance and could push 3.5+ with Ohtani. 

[BigDHornfan 6545]

[shadow_operative2.0 15942]

Nate & Jonah won GGs, of course. 

[Post Oak 20204]

53 minutes ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

Nate & Jonah won GGs, of course. 

So did Adolis.

[Post Oak 20204]

 

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Post Oak

[Dr Fear 1268]

MLB award announcements are so bizarre. They drop the gold gloves in a press release during SNF. Tomorrow the finalists for the major award, MVP, ROY, etc. Are announced with the winners not being named for a full week.

[cmontexas 3270]

If we sign Ohtani as our DH that probably means the end of Garver and we will need to find a decent backup C. Maybe its Huff

[cmontexas 3270]

The crazy thing about WAR is a gold glove catcher can give you 131 games behind the dish and knock in 95 runs and thats apparently worth only 2.9 wins

Edited November 6, 2023 by cmontexas

[Don Johnson 4752]

 

[shadow_operative2.0 15942]

Hell, we’ll have Doug, Vic, & the new kids mad about that. 

[mdmost 42997]

Well, that answers the question of whether a championship would make you less of an asshole on these threads. 

[shadow_operative2.0 15942]

Ah, my stalker got his feelings hurt this morning. You gonna type an essay about me next?

Forgive me for hating idiots. 

[mdmost 42997]

I don't think I've ever written an essay about you and my feelings weren't hurt. I had no doubt that you would still be the same thread policing asshole you always are. But at least you're now a World Series Champion thread policing asshole. So cheers. 

[shadow_operative2.0 15942]

That is high comedy, bro. 

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

someone has to play the role of spystud

[shadow_operative2.0 15942]

mdmost would be sad otherwise. Wouldn’t have anyone else to stalk. 

[cmontexas 3270]

Hader is a selfish prick that refuses to pitch 4 outs or 3 days in a row 

Would be great to bring in someone thats never won shit to tell Bochy how to manage him

[DougO 5243]

2 hours ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

Ah, my stalker...

 

Irony is ironic.

 

[mdmost 42997]

5 minutes ago, DougO said:

 

Irony is ironic.

 

No fucking shit. Even down to his username. Anyway, back to the purpose of the thread. I apologize for derailing it.

Edited November 6, 2023 by mdmost

[shadow_operative2.0 15942]

mdmost knows how often he has mentioned me in threads that have jack-&-shit to do with me. If he would like to continue this, I’ll PM him the proof.

Now back to Rangers for the non-front runners. 

[Firemans4Horn 18034]

I can’t imagine why people don’t want to post in this thread more often. 

[shadow_operative2.0 15942]

That’s the goal. We know how much you fucking hated Bochy down the stretch, only to finally fucking chill out when you realized how dumb you looked. 

[Firemans4Horn 18034]

 

don’t do it man!

[TrashMaster G 17539]

2 hours ago, mdmost said:

I don't think I've ever written an essay about you and my feelings weren't hurt. I had no doubt that you would still be the same thread policing asshole you always are. But at least you're now a World Series Champion thread policing asshole. So cheers. 

Some people aren't happy unless they aren't happy.

[TrashMaster G 17539]

23 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

But seriously why be a jerk? We all like the same team and want them to win and enjoy rooting for them and talking about them. Unless you just only want a certain baseball type fan on this thread for….reasons?, I don’t really get the intolerance.

Think of it like if we were all sitting at a bar talking about the team. Yea there would be some drunk people who just started watching baseball yesterday with a crazy opinion or stupid question from time to time, but you just ignore them. You don’t smash them over the head with an empty beer bottle.

Maybe we should get a Texas Rangers version of an Ag tag. And then set up a forum for only the "special" Ranger fans.

[Fudbelty 2787]

Not my money so just give me everyone off this picture and let’s go win again.

[Fudbelty 2787]

Hader is a selfish prick that refuses to pitch 4 outs or 3 days in a row 
Would be great to bring in someone thats never won shit to tell Bochy how to manage him

I think that would change quickly if he came here. Bochy’s teams are exactly that, TEAMS. Teams that pick each other up and even hold each other accountable.

[gofuckyourself 8197]

Craig Counsell (0 pennants)

5 year $40 million.

I guess Bochy's contract was never disclosed.

Regardless, what a bargain that was.

[shadow_operative2.0 15942]

^ And in related news. 

[Post Oak 20204]

It would be really great if Leiter and White could figure it out this off-season.

[shadow_operative2.0 15942]

Wasn't really expecting Marcus to finish 3rd. 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

 

[gofuckyourself 8197]

Marcus is a surprise. Figured it'd be Diaz in there.

 

[Gucci_Suit 2642]

1 hour ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

Wasn't really expecting Marcus to finish 3rd. 

2021 money well spent I guess 

[gsoda3 3245]

I've never thought having two MVP candidates from the same team made sense.

[Fudbelty 2787]

I've never thought having two MVP candidates from the same team made sense.

If it means a World Series I’m down with it.

[Sir Ulrich 5187]

if anybody has an athletic sub to poat the whole thing that'd be appreciated. 

 

 

[Post Oak 20204]

6 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

if anybody has an athletic sub to poat the whole thing that'd be appreciated. 

 

 

I think Bowden is 2/3rds dumb ass but I hope he's right

Here's the article.

Spoiler

Triple-A ballpark, which is upgraded to serve as their home until a new major-league stadium is built.

20. MLB begins more concrete discussions about expansion but specifies that it won’t happen for at least five to seven years. Nashville, Charlotte and Montreal become the early favorites to land new franchises. The league plans to have four divisions of four teams in each league.

GO DEEPER

Bowden: MLB expansion should include geographic realignment — so let's build new divisions

21. MLB approves the Automated Ball-Strike System with a challenge format for the 2024 season.

GO DEEPER

Are robot umps ready for their MLB debut? Not so fast.

22. Shohei Ohtani and Ronald Acuña Jr. are named the MVPs of their respective leagues.

23. Gerrit Cole and Blake Snell are named Cy Young Award winners.

24. Gunnar Henderson and Corbin Carroll take home Rookie of the Year honors.

GO DEEPER

Bowden: My early award predictions for MVP, Cy Young, Rookie of the Year and more

(Top photo of Shohei Ohtani: John McCoy / Getty Images)

Shit hold on. I'll fix it.

Click here instead

 

https://archive.ph/kIIIq

Edited November 7, 2023 by Post Oak

[gofuckyourself 8197]

Has there been a team that has the top 3 AL MVP candidates from the previous year?

Seems highly unlikely.

Not necessarily "guys that have won it before" because I'm sure the Dodgers, Yankees or Red Sox had multiple past winners play together.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

your q made me click around on bbref a bit on ranger great ted williams.  In 1947 led the league in WAR, R, HR, RBI, BB, BA, OBP (by a hundred points), SLG (by a hundred points), OPS (by, of course, two hundred points).  got the same number of first place votes as the third highest yankee george mcquinn.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1947.shtml#all_AL_MVP_voting

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

10 clubs as potential ohtani suitors, says bowden, plus yankee and angels

https://theathletic.com/5037680/2023/11/07/ohtani-free-agency-top-12-fits/

 

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Texas Rangers

The World Series champions are poised to be even better next year. But they stand to lose Mitch Garver, their primary DH down the stretch, to free agency. Ohtani would give a lineup that tied for the AL lead in home runs an epic boost, perhaps hitting cleanup behind Marcus Semien, Corey Seager and Adolis García. From a pitching perspective, the Rangers may elect to add a starter this winter but could stand pat. Ohtani can eventually replace Max Scherzer, whose contract expires after 2024. Ohtani would be a lift to every team on this list, but putting him in the heart of the Rangers’ order seems borderline unfair, regardless of what he might ultimately give them as a pitcher. But as much as money does not seem to be an object for owner Ray Davis, the Rangers are already committed to Seager through 2031, Semien through 2028, and Jacob deGrom is signed through 2027 with a club option for 2028. Ohtani would essentially guarantee years of steep luxury tax payments and the Rangers being unable to keep some of their complementary talent in the long term. So here is an interesting question: Is the pursuit of a dynasty worth adding another veteran with a history of arm issues to that big-money mix?

 

[Vic Mackey 47006]

Let someone else overpay for him.

[Firemans4Horn 18034]

22 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Let someone else overpay for him.

Ray Davis doesn’t buy green bananas. I’d rather he kept spending money on the team than give it to his grandkids. 

[Vic Mackey 47006]

15 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Ray Davis doesn’t buy green bananas. I’d rather he kept spending money on the team than give it to his grandkids. 

I get that but this seems more of a move if we were trying to get over the hump. We just won it all and could be even better this year with our core having that experience. This would be a massive contract for a guy that just had his 2nd TJ surgery. That makes it even more difficult to recover from. His value drops if he can't pitch every 5 days. Do we really need a very expensive DH?

Edited November 7, 2023 by Vic Mackey

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

i'm basically scared of tying ourselves to him forever a la pujols but damn it would be fun for a year or two.

[idigTexas 2284]

I agree with Vic.  Spend what you would on Ohtani by re-signing Garver and improving pitching depth.  If we do sign Ohtani, I'll enjoy that too, but I do not think it is the best use of stupid money.