Game Week Thread Game Week 10: Texas at TCU

[Hookem2147 20910]

1 minute ago, LonghornBreeder said:

Well, no. If we are in a zone D, and every single DB and LB is at least 10-15 yards off the LOS, that's an alignment problem.

I went back and found the play. It was 4th and 6 in the last minute of the game. (I might have been drinking, so my recount above isn't perfect.) The D is in Zone, all at least 15 deep and the receive runs a 15-yd curl right in front of them all... on 4th and 6!

Blackwell was standing right next to the guy who caught the ball as the play was developing and then chose to drift 5 yards the opposite direction to his right. Was a bad play by him. We had the other hook routes defended fairly well.

[LonghornBreeder 550]

11 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You realize the guy was talking about the drive when it was 27-7, right? Why not show those? I have no idea what they'd reveal, but that would be helpful to confirming or debunking his point than showing screengrabs when the game had transformed.

To clarify, I was saying that I felt frustrated by the frequency of that soft coverage, from that score through the end of the game.

I've already posted again about the specific play that was on my mind.

[texifornia 56434]

 

[closetojumping 62132]

11 minutes ago, Rv8riveter said:

This. Plus the kicker for me is his reaction to the interception where he gave up trying to make the tackle. Gave up. Can't remember if KS or BYU. 

Yeah, I watched him do it too. I don't get the fanboying for the guy, but it's been a thing since Sarkisian showed up and started recruiting him. People have told me, with some regard to NIL retention, that he's gone in the offseason because a lot of schools have been recruiting him through back channels. My reaction is "cool. good luck to him."

[ousux 5586]

This. Plus the kicker for me is his reaction to the interception where he gave up trying to make the tackle. Gave up. Can't remember if KS or BYU. 

It was BYU. JB was actually behind MM and blew past him to make the shoestring tackle and avoid the pick 6.

[gurt 736]

14 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Blackwell was standing right next to the guy who caught the ball as the play was developing and then chose to drift 5 yards the opposite direction to his right. Was a bad play by him. We had the other hook routes defended fairly well.

Klein ran a lot of all curls on us in the second half.  They picked up that we are terrible in zone, especially the linebackers.  Multiple times we had two guys cover the same receiver or like in this case, take false steps for no apparent reason.  

[Park Gothic 4949]

20 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Blackwell was standing right next to the guy who caught the ball as the play was developing and then chose to drift 5 yards the opposite direction to his right. Was a bad play by him. We had the other hook routes defended fairly well.

Man, I thought we were toast after they picked up that first. I turned to my dad and said "that's the ball game and I'm switching to bourbon." Still can't believe we pulled it out. 

[gmr548 16463]

Yeah, I watched him do it too. I don't get the fanboying for the guy, but it's been a thing since Sarkisian showed up and started recruiting him. People have told me, with some regard to NIL retention, that he's gone in the offseason because a lot of schools have been recruiting him through back channels. My reaction is "cool. good luck to him."

Yeah, honestly, that could arguably simplify things for the better. I have no insight into the thought process for Ewers or his camp, but on the field it’s clear he could use another year in college. Maybe Murphy departing allows Ewers to come back without running Manning off, who knows he is the clear cut, not even going to have a real competition heir apparent if he sits for another year. Then he can start a couple years himself.

Or maybe that’s fanfic. But I wouldn’t be losing sleep over a Murphy transfer at this point regardless.

[WinningIsHard 4016]

52 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

He said he spent the rest of the game screaming at the corners because of 15 yard cushions, so it sure seemed like it a generalized statement for the rest of the game and not just one drive. But here are the first 3 plays after we went up 27-7 along with the alignment on the TD with the bad missed tackles.

 

Our offense and special teams let kansas state back in the fuckin game, not the defense haha. It's absurd that you even have to post pictures to prove that point. Their first TD was only a 42 yard drive off a blocked punt. Their third TD was all of 12 yards after a fumble. Their 4th TD was a 32 yard pass off another fumble. The defense also stopped their 2 point conversion and held strong on that OT goal line stand.  I mean PK certainly can accept a lot of shit over the years but this game should not be why. 

[JBJ 3647]

52 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

He said he spent the rest of the game screaming at the corners because of 15 yard cushions, so it sure seemed like it a generalized statement for the rest of the game and not just one drive. But here are the first 3 plays after we went up 27-7 along with the alignment on the TD with the bad missed tackles.

 

The corner is going to bail in the second picture.  Turn rage back on.

[Texasborn91 896]

21 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

Our offense and special teams let kansas state back in the fuckin game, not the defense haha. It's absurd that you even have to post pictures to prove that point. Their first TD was only a 42 yard drive off a blocked punt. Their third TD was all of 12 yards after a fumble. Their 4th TD was a 32 yard pass off another fumble. The defense also stopped their 2 point conversion and held strong on that OT goal line stand.  I mean PK certainly can accept a lot of shit over the years but this game should not be why. 

I think we had 6 3 and outs? Defense gave the offense every chance to choke that game out half way through the second. We just stepped all over our dicks. 

[Longhornlove 4779]

43 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Yeah, honestly, that could arguably simplify things for the better. I have no insight into the thought process for Ewers or his camp, but on the field it’s clear he could use another year in college. Maybe Murphy departing allows Ewers to come back without running Manning off, who knows he is the clear cut, not even going to have a real competition heir apparent if he sits for another year. Then he can start a couple years himself.

Or maybe that’s fanfic. But I wouldn’t be losing sleep over a Murphy transfer at this point regardless.

Ewers is NFL bound, Murphy is transferring or riding the pine next year...To quote Gerry Hamilton, "They aren't selling MM Jerseys, they are selling QE and Arch Manning Jerseys".

IMHO, Murphy is gone, we should thank him and let him leave, his future isn't here without a serious injury or Sark quitting or getting fired. He ain't getting fired anytime soon.

Edited November 7, 2023 by Longhornlove

[Red Five 40593]

I don't know if it's going to be Ewers' decision to make, unless he wants to risk being in a legit QB battle with a guy with the last name Manning. 

Murphy is of course gone. 

[closetohumping 17380]

8 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Ewers is NFL bound, Murphy is transferring or riding the pine next year...To quote Gerry Hamilton, "They aren't selling MM Jerseys, they are selling QE and Arch Manning Jerseys".

IMHO, Murphy is gone, we should thank him and let him leave, his future isn't here without a serious injury or Sark quitting or getting fired. He ain't getting fired anytime soon.

Agree with all though not sure Ewers is still a first rounder.  If I had to bet money I think Arch is our starter in 24

[dec3169 501]

On 11/6/2023 at 11:26 AM, closetojumping said:

No. Stop.

He's had sciatica. If he can't scramble, at all, in a P5 football game as a QB, then don't fucking play him. Sorry for the back pain, but either get your shit together and take some meds and get out there, or just say you can't go.

 

I don't know if this is verified or not - but it certainly makes sense.  I was wondering during the second half if MM was hurt, and I didn't see anything that was obvious in that game.  Then it hit me - if he was in pain before the game they would've given him a muscle relaxer like Flexeril, or a pain injection of some type.  It would've worn off during the game with all the physical activity, but it would've been too early to give another injection at halftime.  At that point the trainers could've done a massage, ice bath, or used a TENS unit on him.  None of those would last through the rest of the game.

The bad part though is back pain never really does away.  Even if you have surgery to fix the issue it will come back eventually.  Source - I had a C5-7 fusion in 2000, and my tailbone (which was crushed while in the military) was removed in the 20-teens.  Back (and neck) pain sucks bad.

[Longhornlove 4779]

6 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Agree with all though not sure Ewers is still a first rounder.  If I had to bet money I think Arch is our starter in 24

1st or 2nd I would lean toward second right now. If he comes back, Texas gets healthy and he goes on a tear, he could easily be a 1st rounder. Richardson(Florida) was fucking terrible last year and went early first.

[TheAuditor 1030]

Cardale Jones rode the pine for multiple years,  came in as third choice QB and won three games in a row to championship.   If he had come out that year,  he probably would have gone in the first couple rounds:

"He would have easily been the third QB drafted," Bleacher Report NFL Draft Lead Analyst Matt Miller said of Jones' prospects in a draft that ultimately saw quarterbacks Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota selected first and second overall

He came back,  got benched after week 7.  Got drafted in the 4th round anyway.  The NFL will always take a flyer on a QB with a pulse.   They are like lottery tickets - you gotta buy one to win,  but expect disappointment. 

I don't think Quinn is afraid of beating out a RS Freshman Arch Manning with zero starts after he's had two seasons in Sark's system.  However it doesn't matter.  Quinn is gone.  I hope he gets first round money,  but he'll go in first two rounds simply based on arm talent.  Wish him well.  

Edited November 7, 2023 by TheAuditor
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[closetohumping 17380]

Unless he bombs workouts and interviews, yes second at worst.  Probably 6th qb taken 

[dec3169 501]

24 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I don't know if it's going to be Ewers' decision to make, unless he wants to risk being in a legit QB battle with a guy with the last name Manning. 

Murphy is of course gone. 

Is it possible for Quinn to transfer a 2nd time and play next year (for a real team and not a G5 or lower)?  If he could transfer I could see USC going after him for a year.  I can't keep track of the transfer rules anymore.

[Js1 85056]

1 minute ago, dec3169 said:

Is it possible for Quinn to transfer a 2nd time and play next year (for a real team and not a G5 or lower)?  If he could transfer I could see USC going after him for a year.  I can't keep track of the transfer rules anymore.

[Dark Horse 2257]

[Longhornlove 4779]

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

Unless he bombs workouts and interviews, yes second at worst.  Probably 6th qb taken 

Just read a mock draft having him go #2 overall to Denver. Posted 6 hours ago.....Who the fuck knows. I LOL at it but whatever.

[Longhornlove 4779]

3 minutes ago, dec3169 said:

Is it possible for Quinn to transfer a 2nd time and play next year (for a real team and not a G5 or lower)?  If he could transfer I could see USC going after him for a year.  I can't keep track of the transfer rules anymore.

He can't transfer and play next year if he didn't graduate. that is my understanding anyway.

[dec3169 501]

Just now, Longhornlove said:

He can't transfer and play next year if he didn't graduate. that is my understanding anyway.

Then that limits his options.  If he stays to try to grade out higher he creates a QB controversy that effects Arch and recruits (MM is likely gone anyway).  If Arch sticks around he likely beats QE out sometime next year - depending on how stubborn Sark is.  If QE stays and is NOT the game 1 starter that could end up with QE grading worse than if he left this year.  I see nothing good happening (for Quinn) if he stays this year.

My guess is Quinn starts the rest of the games this year and leaves.  That gives him the best chance to go in the first 2 rounds, and depending on what he does the last x number of games could bump him up over a couple of the other QBs declaring.

[Longhornlove 4779]

3 minutes ago, dec3169 said:

If he stays

He isn't, I would say 0% chance he stays.

[Surly Bevo 24692]

Quinn is in the exact same situation he was in his Jr year in HS. Got hurt. Sat out a bunch of games. SLC was good enough to beat teams in district without him. He came back and ran them all the way to title game before they ran into Westlake buzz saw (he still dropped 351 in that game) and then he bounced on his Sr year.

If he can come anywhere close to replicating that success his history would say he gone.

[South Austin 52037]

48 minutes ago, dec3169 said:

I had a C5-7 fusion in 2000, and my tailbone (which was crushed while in the military) was removed in the 20-teens.  Back (and neck) pain sucks bad.

Yeah, but I bet you could still hit a wide-open Xavier Worthy.

[Atticus 3919]

Back to more relevant shit, Josh Hoover will start for TCU this weekend unless Sonny fuckery is afoot. 
 

Morris is a worse passer, but The QB run is something that would concern me if he played. 
The pass rush is a bigger factor with the reduced mobility of Hoover too. 

[BigHornedLurker 1894]

1 minute ago, South Austin said:

Yeah, but I bet you could still hit a wide-open Xavier Worthy.

[South Austin 52037]

4 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Back to more relevant shit, Josh Hoover will start for TCU this weekend unless Sonny fuckery is afoot. 
 

Morris is a worse passer, but The QB run is something that would concern me if he played. 
The pass rush is a bigger factor with the reduced mobility of Hoover too. 

Hoover sucks.

[JBJ 3647]

45 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

He can't transfer and play next year if he didn't graduate. that is my understanding anyway.

[GreenspointTexas 9556]

Hoover vs Murphy is must see TV. Pretty much the same QB

[Atticus 3919]

His reduced mobility frees up our linebackers to play coverage and makes it less risky to blitz

They have a few receivers who will give us fits if he has the chance to find them. 

[hook me 2080]

39 minutes ago, dec3169 said:

Then that limits his options.  If he stays to try to grade out higher he creates a QB controversy that effects Arch and recruits (MM is likely gone anyway).  If Arch sticks around he likely beats QE out sometime next year - depending on how stubborn Sark is.  If QE stays and is NOT the game 1 starter that could end up with QE grading worse than if he left this year.  I see nothing good happening (for Quinn) if he stays this year.

My guess is Quinn starts the rest of the games this year and leaves.  That gives him the best chance to go in the first 2 rounds, and depending on what he does the last x number of games could bump him up over a couple of the other QBs declaring.

[Yesh 904]

Since the Briles offense is based on simple reads and counting the box, I'm interested to see if we show some light boxes that would trigger a run and then take our chances with our D-line and Ford.

[immamac 42492]

The amount of stupidity in this thread is outstanding. No one is fucking transferring and Quinn is 100% going to the NFL after this year. No one gives a fuck about your national championship in the pros ask any of the Alabama players who went to play for belichick. There’s a funny podcast sound bite about it from Danny Amendola. If you are graded in the first 2 rounds you go. 

[Park Gothic 4949]

7 minutes ago, Yesh said:

Since the Briles offense is based on simple reads and counting the box, I'm interested to see if we show some light boxes that would trigger a run and then take our chances with our D-line and Ford.

I think what you're describing is the 3-3-5 three high safety look that a lot of the conference already runs. Most notably ISU and TCU. 

So they may be familiar with the concept. 

[Longhornlove 4779]

24 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Hoover sucks.

[Wulaw Horn 18963]

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Yeah, I watched him do it too. I don't get the fanboying for the guy, but it's been a thing since Sarkisian showed up and started recruiting him. People have told me, with some regard to NIL retention, that he's gone in the offseason because a lot of schools have been recruiting him through back channels. My reaction is "cool. good luck to him."

I got negged from one of your favorite- a cloak room poster- for saying that yesterday- that I welcome him headed to the portal. Bet you don't catch that stray. 

[Dbeasy 14953]

Sark made a comment in the last week that has stuck with me, and now bothers me, big time  

He said he wants to play much tighter coverage at the line of scrimmage, but that his corners are too uncomfortable and keep laying back several yards. WTF?

What coach just lets their corners do what makes them comfortable, rather than what is required? Tell those pussies to bump and run at the line of scrimmage or sit their ass down. Sooner or later someone will step up and compete. They have multiple four star corners. It’s not like they’re scrubs. 

[Codaxx 5588]

1 minute ago, Dbeasy said:

Sark made a comment in the last week that has stuck with me, and now bothers me, big time  

He said he wants to play much tighter coverage at the line of scrimmage, but that his corners are too uncomfortable and keep laying back several yards. WTF?

What coach just lets their corners do what makes them comfortable, rather than what is required? Tell those pussies to bump and run at the line of scrimmage or sit their ass down. Sooner or later someone will step up and compete. They have multiple four star corners. It’s not like they’re scrubs. 

I dont mind the off coverage as much as most, but what kill me is they play off and bail.. If they played at 5 and played more flat-footed, I would be OK with it.. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19327]

3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Yeah, I watched him do it too. I don't get the fanboying for the guy, but it's been a thing since Sarkisian showed up and started recruiting him. People have told me, with some regard to NIL retention, that he's gone in the offseason because a lot of schools have been recruiting him through back channels. My reaction is "cool. good luck to him."

Hope he has fun playing out the string at Fresno State or wherever. 

[closetojumping 62132]

10 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Sark made a comment in the last week that has stuck with me, and now bothers me, big time  

He said he wants to play much tighter coverage at the line of scrimmage, but that his corners are too uncomfortable and keep laying back several yards. WTF?

What coach just lets their corners do what makes them comfortable, rather than what is required? Tell those pussies to bump and run at the line of scrimmage or sit their ass down. Sooner or later someone will step up and compete. They have multiple four star corners. It’s not like they’re scrubs. 

 

7 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I dont mind the off coverage as much as most, but what kill me is they play off and bail.. If they played at 5 and played more flat-footed, I would be OK with it.. 

Terrance Brooks is doing what he's coached to do, I know that much. His father coached him to be a bully at the position who plays up on the LOS. What would that guy know, right? Anyway, he's made his view clear to some folks that he doesn't understand what in the fuck they are teaching or trying to do at CB. 

The Texas secondary does not lack talent. There are problems with how the personnel is being managed, what they're being asked to do, and how that is being coordinated with the front seven. If it doesn't get addressed this offseason in some form, I'll be surprised and disappointed. 

[Fud 9543]

1 hour ago, Longhornlove said:

Just read a mock draft having him go #2 overall to Denver. Posted 6 hours ago.....Who the fuck knows. I LOL at it but whatever.

I hope you quit reading said mock draft after the #2 pick 

[FreeHorn 1307]

6 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

Terrance Brooks is doing what he's coached to do, I know that much. His father coached him to be a bully at the position who plays up on the LOS. What would that guy know, right? Anyway, he's made his view clear to some folks that he doesn't understand what in the fuck they are teaching or trying to do at CB. 

The Texas secondary does not lack talent. There are problems with how the personnel is being managed, what they're being asked to do, and how that is being coordinated with the front seven. If it doesn't get addressed this offseason in some form, I'll be surprised and disappointed. 

His dad expressed the usage concerns last year. Had some pretty direct convos during the bowl practices with certain members of the defensive staff. 
 

Manny Muhammad’s camp feels the same way. They were skeptical of Joseph from the jump and not really liking the soft zones versus playing man. That was a point of emphasis during that recruitment. 
 

Not sure if we need a new DC or changes in the secondary coaches. But there some disconnect. No way we change the DC so Sark got a decision to make in regards to Joseph and Gideon. 

[Fud 9543]

10 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

Terrance Brooks is doing what he's coached to do, I know that much. His father coached him to be a bully at the position who plays up on the LOS. What would that guy know, right? Anyway, he's made his view clear to some folks that he doesn't understand what in the fuck they are teaching or trying to do at CB. 

The Texas secondary does not lack talent. There are problems with how the personnel is being managed, what they're being asked to do, and how that is being coordinated with the front seven. If it doesn't get addressed this offseason in some form, I'll be surprised and disappointed. 

Over half of the NFL runs our base coverages (quarters and six out of a two deep safety shell). It shouldn't be difficult to find someone to teach it at a high level, if we must run it 

[TexasGolf 4854]

6 minutes ago, Fud said:

I hope you quit reading said mock draft after the #2 pick 

20 th pick -- Minnesota Vikings: Quinn Ewers, QB, Texas

[Longhornlove 4779]

9 minutes ago, Fud said:

I hope you quit reading said mock draft after the #2 pick 

I said I LOL'd at it but I also LOL'd at Anthony Richardson going #4 overall. Another irony between the two. AR is out for?..........You guessed it, sprained AC joint.

[Yesh 904]

I applauded the coaching continuity Sark has had so far, but if you were looking at it from a cutting the bottom 10% of performers each year, Joseph/Gideon would be the candidates.  Even just asking "is this position group championship level" would still point to the DBs as the biggest liability.

[Codaxx 5588]

3 minutes ago, Fud said:

Over half of the NFL runs our base coverages (quarters and six out of a two deep safety shell). It shouldn't be difficult to find someone to teach it at a high level, if we must run it 

Its the situational awareness of the secondary play that get me. You want to play at 5 and bail out with a 20 pt lead on 1st 10, I can deal with that. It just kills me when its 3rd and 4 and they play 5 yards off (usually on the field side, Watts rarely plays off) and bail. That may go to Sark's comments "DB play the technique based on coverage called". I hope that is not the case.