The Home Stretch - Big 12 Championship Scenarios

[Kwix 2186]

6 minutes ago, JBJ said:

fify

huh?

[Rickylovesweed 14155]

4 minutes ago, Horn Dogg said:

How fucking stupid is it that a team that got blown out by UCF and South Alabama is in the tiebreaker mix for the B12?

Oklahoma State with a ton of luck. 

Avoided Texas. Got K-State and OU at home. By far the most favorable schedule out of everyone. 

[dcar00 14035]

17 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Goddamnit. I hate this conference.

It is a fucking clusterfuck of a bunch of also ran, nobody gives a shit.  I am so glad to be done with the rinky dink bullshit.

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

The fact that nobody knows how to figure out who’s in the title game is so on brand for the conference.  Maybe more so than the WWE tie-in. 
 

[Pimphand 5597]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

It is a fucking clusterfuck of a bunch of also ran, nobody gives a shit.  I am so glad to be done with the rinky dink bullshit.

It sucks ass but if you call it the BDF people will accuse you of being aggy #snowflakes

FUCK THIS POS CONFERENCE

[USNALonghorn 5024]

Just now, Pimphand said:

It sucks ass but if you call it the BDF people will accuse you of being aggy #snowflakes

FUCK THIS POS CONFERENCE

I prefer to call them “Group of Six-ers”

[dcar00 14035]

14 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Just the fact we are all so confused demonstrates how fucking ridiculous this conference is.

it is run by a fucking bunch of clusterfuck idiots who have degrees from Tech.

[BlackChicken 60]

Hey but there is a wwe belt on the line 

[dcar00 14035]

3 minutes ago, BlackChicken said:

Hey but there is a wwe belt on the line 

they need to have someone bust a folding chair over yormark before the tech game.  thsi conference is such a bunch of clowns.

[TrashMaster G 17388]

43 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

The AAS is doubling down because the Big 12 likely told them Texas was in with a win tonight. It's likely straight from the Big 12. 

You put an inordinate amount of faith in Danny Davis' competence. 

[TrashMaster G 17388]

Somebody tell me who we play in the CCG if:

BYU beats oSu

TCU beats OU

Iowa State beat Kansas State

West Virginia beats Baylor

Tech beats Texas 

That would be a six-way tie for 2nd place at 6-3 with oSu, OU, KSU, ISU, WV and TCEH.

[Rickylovesweed 14155]

 

[Rickylovesweed 14155]

More clarification for post above. 

 

[Saint Austin 745]

So… we can turn our beds into bunkbeds… ?

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

26 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

So… we can turn our beds into bunkbeds… ?

[Hookem2147 20932]

Nothing sums up this stupid conference better than being 7 days from the end of the regular season and there is massive confusion on tiebreaker scenarios.

[atomheartbevo 89445]

11 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Nothing sums up this stupid conference better than being 7 days from the end of the regular season and there is massive confusion on tiebreaker scenarios.

Just wait until we get fucked over in the SECSECSEC by refs or whatever. It's going to happen.

[TKthunder2 4981]

1 hour ago, Rickylovesweed said:

 

I feel like if this is true the conference would put out a statement/notice that we locked in our spot…but honestly I continue to underestimate their incompetence.

[TKthunder2 4981]

According to the Oklahoman, if I’m reading this right, the only way we get left out is if Texas AND KState lose. Then OU and Okie State would go.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/college/big-12/2023/11/18/big-12-championship-game-scenarios-ou-football-oklahoma-state-texas-kansas-state/71640094007/

Look like Alex Loeb is saying the same thing on twitter indicating we’d lose in a three way tie to OU/OSU

Quote

Texas will clinch a spot in the Big 12 championship game with a win over Texas Tech next week or ANY of the following results:

-Oklahoma loss
-Oklahoma State loss
-Kansas State win

Just win.

[Spankytoes 1736]

1 hour ago, Rickylovesweed said:

 

This can’t be right. If we lose to Tech, and ou wins, they would hold the tiebreaker. OSU beat ou and didn’t play us. So wouldn’t it be ou/OSU if OSU also wins?

Doesn't matter because we aren’t losing to Tech.

Edited November 19, 2023 by Spankytoes

[po elvis 2070]

If we lost to Tech I wouldn't give a shit about if we made the game or not.

[Rickylovesweed 14155]

1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

According to the Oklahoman, if I’m reading this right, the only way we get left out is if Texas AND KState lose. Then OU and Okie State would go.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/college/big-12/2023/11/18/big-12-championship-game-scenarios-ou-football-oklahoma-state-texas-kansas-state/71640094007/

Look like Alex Loeb is saying the same thing on twitter indicating we’d lose in a three way tie to OU/OSU

 

 

I think where the confusion is if head to head comes into play between OU, Oklahoma State, and Texas. Alex Loeb seems to think it does so OU and Oklahoma State would both advance over Texas since both have 1 win head-to-head. 

Texashomer interprets the rules as head to head doesn't matter when all 3 opponents do not play each other. Which would then go to common opponents record which would advance Texas no matter what. 

 

[Hank_Hill 18491]

14 minutes ago, po elvis said:

If we lost to Tech I wouldn't give a shit about if we made the game or not.

Pretty much this. The biggest bitch babies  we’ve seen towards Texas all year. Cactus twitter has not stopped spewing nonsense    all season. Lose this game and we’re officially out of the playoffs and that hills have eyes campus has eternal scoreboard on us. 

[Rickylovesweed 14155]

1 hour ago, Spankytoes said:

This can’t be right. If we lose to Tech, and ou wins, they would hold the tiebreaker. OSU beat ou and didn’t play us. So wouldn’t it be ou/OSU if OSU also wins?

Doesn't matter because we aren’t losing to Tech.

Se post above. 

[Rickylovesweed 14155]

This guy also seems to think it would be Texas if was a 3 way tie between OU, Oklahoma State, and Texas. The confusion here in this scenario is if head to head comes into play since all 3 teams didn't play each other but OU and Oklahoma State would be the only two teams with a head to head win out of that group. 

 

[Huckleberry 32701]

No that's not the confusing part. It's very clear that H2H would not be used with those 3.

The confusing part is if the conference decides to first figure out the 1 seed instead of doing the logical thing and eliminating the #3 team and putting the other 2 in the championship game. 

In the scenario from the tweet that website assumes OSU is eliminated and locked into #3 position. However, the terribly written and therefore ambiguous tiebreaker rules could be read to say that the next step where OU is the 1 seed is all that is locked in. Then Texas and OSU are analyzed for the second spot. Which would go to OSU because in that comparison OU is the highest placed common opponent. 

It would be a ridiculous screwjob which is of course why the Big 12 would try to do it to Texas. 

Edited November 19, 2023 by Huckleberry

[Rickylovesweed 14155]

Either way I would say the OU, OK State, and Texas scenario seems VERY unlikely. 

Texas and K-State will both be double digit favorites at home. OU and TCU will be a 50/50 game if Gabriel can't play. What are the odds all 3 of those results don't go our way? Under 5%? 

Never say never I guess. 

[Huckleberry 32701]

Agreed, we should just kick Tech's ass. The fact that doing so would eliminate OU if the other two games go that way would be a nice bonus. 

[linux 1659]

6 hours ago, dcar00 said:

they need to have someone bust a folding chair over yormark before the tech game.  thsi conference is such a bunch of clowns.

The same shit will happen in the SEC.

Too many teams means no true round robin for the CCG.

No divisions means no round robin for the division title.

Lastly pods could work had they gone to a 4 team conference playoff.

 

This will be the future there is no way around it. And yeah the 2008 nightmare is still possible even with a perfect system.

[LOHorn 277]

3 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

This guy also seems to think it would be Texas if was a 3 way tie between OU, Oklahoma State, and Texas. The confusion here in this scenario is if head to head comes into play since all 3 teams didn't play each other but OU and Oklahoma State would be the only two teams with a head to head win out of that group. 

 

I think the confusion is if the tiebreaker re-ranks when it restarts. If not, then the above scenario holds as Texas has the best record against the number 4 teams. If we start all over and rerank with Oklahoma as 1, then OSU has a better record against the highest common opponent, OU.

[utexas8 1433]

So is k state out of the picture?

[Lat22 3994]

9 hours ago, Gucci_Suit said:

We’re playing the most mouthy team in the big 12. We’re going to drag nuts on those fuckers. Here we are. 

Anybody who’s been to a game in Lubbock knows this is true. 

[The_Great_Hornsby 3329]

4 minutes ago, utexas8 said:

So is k state out of the picture?

No, our opponent could be OSU, K State, or OU. OSU is most likely, then KSU, then OU. 

[Dnaguy 11775]

8 hours ago, Liquor and Poker said:

The fact that nobody knows how to figure out who’s in the title game is so on brand for the conference.  Maybe more so than the WWE tie-in. 
 

Exactly.

[Js1 85110]

The PAC 12 already released its championship scenarios for next week  

The Big 12 is dead silent. Because they’re trying to figure out their own rules. 

[Dnaguy 11775]

13 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The PAC 12 already released its championship scenarios for next week  

The Big 12 is dead silent. Because they’re trying to figure out their own rules. 

[Hondo 661]

ESPN has updated the conference championship games' participants since last night and the Big 12 game is still TBD vs. TBD.  There must be some scenario where we lose to TTU and don't get in.

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by Hondo

[JBJ 3649]

1 hour ago, utexas8 said:

So is k state out of the picture?

KSU needs to have OU and OSU lose to be the only 2-loss, or they can even lose if someone (ISU?) wins and makes it a 5-way tie.

[JBJ 3649]

2 hours ago, LOHorn said:

I think the confusion is if the tiebreaker re-ranks when it restarts. If not, then the above scenario holds as Texas has the best record against the number 4 teams. If we start all over and rerank with Oklahoma as 1, then OSU has a better record against the highest common opponent, OU.

This is definitely where people are confused.  Looks like we'll get another "clarification" on Tuesday.

[Js1 85110]

5 minutes ago, JBJ said:

KSU needs to have OU and OSU lose to be the only 2-loss, or they can even lose if someone (ISU?) wins and makes it a 5-way tie.

KSU plays ISU 

[JBJ 3649]

Just now, Js1 said:

KSU plays ISU 

Correct I think they need Tech to beat Texas.  So they would need the top 4 to all get upset to win in a tiebreaker.

[South Austin 52144]

We are going to win, so it’s a moo point.

[Kwix 2186]

5 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

No that's not the confusing part. It's very clear that H2H would not be used with those 3.

The confusing part is if the conference decides to first figure out the 1 seed instead of doing the logical thing and eliminating the #3 team and putting the other 2 in the championship game. 

In the scenario from the tweet that website assumes OSU is eliminated and locked into #3 position. However, the terribly written and therefore ambiguous tiebreaker rules could be read to say that the next step where OU is the 1 seed is all that is locked in. Then Texas and OSU are analyzed for the second spot. Which would go to OSU because in that comparison OU is the highest placed common opponent. 

It would be a ridiculous screwjob which is of course why the Big 12 would try to do it to Texas. 

I'm not seeing how OU gets the #1 seed in this scenario. 

Step 1 doesn't apply because Texas didn't play OSU. 

Step 2 doesn't apply because no common opponent comparison puts 1 team ahead of the other 2.

Step 3 puts Texas in. 

 

People seem to be making up some combination of step 2 and head to head out of thin air. 

[WBT 20422]

9 hours ago, Liquor and Poker said:

The fact that nobody knows how to figure out who’s in the title game is so on brand for the conference.  Maybe more so than the WWE tie-in. 
 

Yes, all of the P4 divisionless 16-team conferences going forward are always going to have ccg scenarios that are as clear as a bell

[Js1 85110]

The conference could just tweet out the scenarios and save everyone the problems but they’re in the league office trying to figure out their own tiebreakers like

And/or Yormark at being told there’s no scenario that leaves out Texas

[Ignatius 4002]

6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

We are going to win, so it’s a moo point.

Eat mor chikin…

[NeverMarryAStripper 21781]

The Big 12 won’t release any scenarios because their interpretation of the rules is going to depend on what is needed to screw UT out of a spot.  We just need to teabag tech and give the finger to the Big 12.

[BlackCat 415]

I want OU. These leftover fuckfaces wont even have a dog in the fight as we cropdust the conference on our way out. Plus I doubt it would matter, but if we were to obliterate the only team we lost to it could potentially make a difference in the playoff picture. 

['stache 21774]

2 hours ago, LOHorn said:

I think the confusion is if the tiebreaker re-ranks when it restarts. If not, then the above scenario holds as Texas has the best record against the number 4 teams. If we start all over and rerank with Oklahoma as 1, then OSU has a better record against the highest common opponent, OU.

It would make sense to go to record against OU as the highest ranked common opponent, but the rule says The “next highest” opponent meaning below OSU and Texas. That would be both ISU and KSU at 6-3 because the scenario requires ISU to beat KSU to knock them out of the tie. UT is 2-0, OSU is 1-1, so UT wins that two way tie breaker.

['stache 21774]

14 minutes ago, Kwix said:

I'm not seeing how OU gets the #1 seed in this scenario. 

Step 1 doesn't apply because Texas didn't play OSU. 

Step 2 doesn't apply because no common opponent comparison puts 1 team ahead of the other 2.

Step 3 puts Texas in. 

 

People seem to be making up some combination of step 2 and head to head out of thin air. 

Step 2 knocks OSU out (UT and OU beat ISU and OSU lost to ISU). Then start over head to head between OU and Texas for the one seed. OU beat Texas, they are the one seed.