Game of Thrones Season 8 (NO BOOKSPOILERS) thread

[Goo Punch 4275]

I've seen the Parks and Rec cast say, "Season 1 never happened" (or the equivalent) on a panel; Community referred to season 4 as "the gas leak year"; what are the odds that we eventually see the cast of GoT speaking out about how much the show fell off in the latter years?

[gurt 748]

CTJ still won’t admit Dany has turned heel, Btw..

[Goo Punch 4275]

man i'm really glad we spent ~35 hours watching Arya scrub dead people and spat with her coworker so that she could become a faceless person and then literally never use her hard earned abilities after killing a septuagenarian a couple seasons ago. totes worth it.

[Goo Punch 4275]

 

 

[Guest]

tides, you dumbass...

j/k

[Al_4_ISU 12452]

The reason for the writing drop off is simple and obvious: lack of source material. The show was great because Martin’s writing is great.

[BradInATX 9208]

man i'm really glad we spent ~35 hours watching Arya scrub dead people and spat with her coworker so that she could become a faceless person and then literally never use her hard earned abilities after killing a septuagenarian a couple seasons ago. totes worth it.

She killed the biggest bad of the entire story lol. It was like 2 episodes ago. ???

 

[MAUFRAIS 6619]

I will Venmo derka $2 if he can just never reply to this.

[hobbes2702 13029]

13 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

I've seen the Parks and Rec cast say, "Season 1 never happened" (or the equivalent) on a panel; Community referred to season 4 as "the gas leak year"; what are the odds that we eventually see the cast of GoT speaking out about how much the show fell off in the latter years?

They already have. Videos are out there. Dinklage, Harrington, Clarke, Costner-Waldau, the dude who played Barriston Selmy all have basically trashed the writers.

[BluTechsan 393]

6 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

 

 

The opening title sequence doesn't match up either. If the gate is opposite the Red Keep, then there is indeed land on that end.

I only post this to say that the continuity issues didn't just begin this season. 

[Quasimofo 406]

man i'm really glad we spent ~35 hours watching Arya scrub dead people and spat with her coworker so that she could become a faceless person and then literally never use her hard earned abilities after killing a septuagenarian a couple seasons ago. totes worth it.

How do we know YOU'RE not Arya?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

My predictions:

Sansa comes out on top.  She might not get the throne but she survives.

Tyrion, Daenerys, Davos, and Greyworm die.

Not sure about Jon Snow or Arya Stark.  Both could die or survive. 

Yara, who gives a shit? 

Bran becomes a tree. 

Illyrio Mopatis showing up in the final episode would be awesome. 

[Al_4_ISU 12452]

My predictions:
Sansa comes out on top.  She might not get the throne but she survives.
Tyrion, Daenerys, Davos, and Greyworm die.
Not sure about Jon Snow or Arya Stark.  Both could die or survive. 
Yara, who gives a shit? 
Bran becomes a tree. 
Illyrio Mopatis showing up in the final episode would be awesome. 

I think Tyrion sacrifices himself to Arya, who wears his face to kill Dany.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Soundtrack: AC/DC - Hell’s Bells

[maninblack 7974]

 

[Irish Wrist Watch 1359]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

My predictions:

Sansa comes out on top.  She might not get the throne but she survives.

Tyrion, Daenerys, Davos, and Greyworm die.

Not sure about Jon Snow or Arya Stark.  Both could die or survive. 

Yara, who gives a shit? 

Bran becomes a tree. 

Illyrio Mopatis showing up in the final episode would be awesome. 

You can't not make a prediction on Arya and Jon.

If No Worm ends up king, I'm gonna dracarys my TV.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

5 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

You can't not make a prediction on Arya and Jon.

Okay here it goes:

Jon ending up on the Iron Throne is almost too predictable, but shitty writing so who knows.  Jon is a dead man if he doesn’t win so I’m going to predict he dies in his effort to destroy Dany. 

Arya survives and she plays a vital role in getting Sansa to power. 

[Goo Punch 4275]

5 hours ago, BradInATX said:

She killed the biggest bad of the entire story lol. It was like 2 episodes ago. ???

 

and that had literally nothing to do with her story line in braavos or her being a faceless man, so i'm failing to see your point. 

Edited May 19, 2019 by Goo Punch

[Barry_McCokiner 160]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Soundtrack: AC/DC - Hell’s Bells

This really was a brilliant scene

 

 

 

BTW, VEgas odds pointing to Bran winning.

[Burt Macklin 19020]

Just now, Goo Punch said:

and that has literally nothing to do with her story line in braavos or her being a faceless man, so i'm failing to see your point. 

Yeah, while I think they've generally done a really good job with Arya's arc, her killing the NK without having to use any of her Faceless Man magical abilities seems pretty dumb. If the most important person she kills using her magic ends up being Walder fucking Frey, then the whole Faceless Man plot will feel like a pretty big waste.

[burntorangebongos 10710]

Jon kills Dany, but heads north and doesn't sit on the throne. 

[BradInATX 9208]

and that had literally nothing to do with her story line in braavos or her being a faceless man, so i'm failing to see your point. 

There were entire scenes dedicated to showing her learning to sneak around and up on people over the past few seasons. Which she used to get ice dude.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

This really was a brilliant scene
 
 
 
BTW, VEgas odds pointing to Bran winning.

That would be soo boring

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Yeah, while I think they've generally done a really good job with Arya's arc, her killing the NK without having to use any of her Faceless Man magical abilities seems pretty dumb. If the most important person she kills using her magic ends up being Walder fucking Frey, then the whole Faceless Man plot will feel like a pretty big waste.

I think no matter if arya uses it or not tonight... the whole faceless man plot was as boring of a plot as you can write up.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

2 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

11 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

and that had literally nothing to do with her story line in braavos or her being a faceless man, so i'm failing to see your point. 

There were entire scenes dedicated to showing her learning to sneak around and up on people over the past few seasons. Which she used to get ice dude.

The faceless men are the best assassins in the world.  So good, they often don’t need the face part.  Arya being one of the best killers in Westeros is the only real takeaway needed from her faceless men training. 

[PilotsError 2286]

3 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

13 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

and that had literally nothing to do with her story line in braavos or her being a faceless man, so i'm failing to see your point. 

There were entire scenes dedicated to showing her learning to sneak around and up on people over the past few seasons. Which she used to get ice dude.

 

They didn't show that at all.  As far as I can tell, the witch told her the blue eyes prophecy and she sprinted straight out and to the NK.  Nothing she did looked like it required training with the Faceless Man.  She just ran really fast and ducked down.  

Better writing would have shown us something.

[Neonmoon 38129]

16 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

and that had literally nothing to do with her story line in braavos or her being a faceless man, so i'm failing to see your point. 

Her becoming a good assassin or killer had nothing to do with being able to kill the Night King? Seriously?

[Goo Punch 4275]

3 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Her becoming a good assassin or killer had nothing to do with being able to kill the Night King? Seriously?

did i bring up her storyline of becoming "a good assassin", or a faceless man?

[BradInATX 9208]

 
They didn't show that at all.  As far as I can tell, the witch told her the blue eyes prophecy and she sprinted straight out and to the NK.  Nothing she did looked like it required training with the Faceless Man.  She just ran really fast and ducked down.  
Better writing would have shown us something.

Oh, I agree that the writing was terrible. But nitpicking that her faceless man training was useless is silly. They certainly did show what I'm talking about, during her training.

[Burt Macklin 19020]

19 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The faceless men are the best assassins in the world.  So good, they often don’t need the face part.  Arya being one of the best killers in Westeros is the only real takeaway needed from her faceless men training. 

Now you're just making shit up. lol. 

16 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Her becoming a good assassin or killer had nothing to do with being able to kill the Night King? Seriously?

She could've learned to become a great assassin anywhere. There was nothing unique to the Faceless men that allowed her to kill the NK.

There was a ton of emphasis on faceless men and the god of death. Specifically that you can't cheat the god of death. There must be payment in order to take a life. Arya has been killing on her own will for 2-3 seasons now and hasn't seen any repercussions. If this were still the first six seasons, she'd have to pay a price for using her skills this way, but it doesn't look like that will happen unless she dies this episode, but even then it seems her death would be unlikely to tie back to the god of death plot, thereby making that whole part of the story seem like a waste.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

So, Dany might go after Sansa first because she clearly wants to eliminate anyone that’s a threat and knows Jon’s little secret. 

However, I think Sansa’s character progression has been undervalued.  Sansa has been through the worst shit out of everyone in the show.  She was supposed to marry Joffrey but then held hostage by Cersei and married off to Tyrion only to escape with Littlefinger who killed her aunt in front of her.  Then he sold her to be wed and raped by Ramsey Bolton.  

Sansa’s school of hard knocks had the best teachers: Joffrey, Cersei, Tyrion, the Hound, Littlefinger, and Ramsey Bolton.   That’s why I think she prevails.  She never caught much of a break. 

Or Dany kills her in the first ten minutes. 

[Neonmoon 38129]

23 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

did i bring up her storyline of becoming "a good assassin", or a faceless man?

Are you really trying to argue that her storyline in braavos and the faceless man was only about killing people by using someone else face? 

 

[Neonmoon 38129]

10 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Now you're just making shit up. lol. 

She could've learned to become a great assassin anywhere. There was nothing unique to the Faceless men that allowed her to kill the NK.

There was a ton of emphasis on faceless men and the god of death. Specifically that you can't cheat the god of death. There must be payment in order to take a life. Arya has been killing on her own will for 2-3 seasons now and hasn't seen any repercussions. If this were still the first six seasons, she'd have to pay a price for using her skills this way, but it doesn't look like that will happen unless she dies this episode, but even then it seems her death would be unlikely to tie back to the god of death plot, thereby making that whole part of the story seem like a waste.

Please list all the places where one can become a great assassin? 

First off, she never became a faceless man, so I don’t know if the Faceless Man rules apply to Arya in the totally made up realm where we only see snippets of each made up characters lives. So there could be payment from some other person in another part of the world. I don’t know, they never really fleshed out the rules that much. They sure as shit didn’t say if you take a life, you must give up your life later. 

[Goo Punch 4275]

9 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Are you really trying to argue that her storyline in braavos and the faceless man was only about killing people by using someone else face? 

 

i have no idea where your indignation comes from, but yeah, i'm arguing that we spent way too much time on one of the most tedious, aimless storylines, all with the endgame of arya becoming a faceless man, only to have her never use those abilities again after killing the Freys. and then to write her in as the killer of the NK and to not use her magic to do so...it's bad. it was a huge waste of time was awfully tedious. 

[Burt Macklin 19020]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Please list all the places where one can become a great assassin? 

First off, she never became a faceless man, so I don’t know if the Faceless Man rules apply to Arya in the totally made up realm where we only see snippets of each made up characters lives. So there could be payment from some other person in another part of the world. I don’t know, they never really fleshed out the rules that much. They sure as shit didn’t say if you take a life, you must give up your life later. 

They establish in Season 5 that a debt must be paid when a Faceless man takes a life, and the more difficult/important the person is, the greater the price. They also establish that it's up to the god of death, whether the target should actually be killed.  It's crystal clear from the show that when you want someone to be killed, you must pay the price. If Arya goes off and decides who she will kill, then she's the one who incurs the debt, not to mention that Arya never killed Lady Crane in Season 6 and Jaqen pretty much told her she'll die if she doesn't go through with it. Anyways, the point is they established the rules decently well enough to know Arya has violated basically all of them and spent a good bit of time explaining the Faceless Men and the god of death. I'm guessing the show writers are just going to act like none of this ever happened and ignore it. 

I get Arya had to learn to be an assassin somewhere, but the show writers easily could have made the whole Faceless Man part be more meaningful the last two seasons without having to add much screen time.  Maybe they'll have it come into play this last episode, but I doubt it.  

[Burt Macklin 19020]

1 hour ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

1 hour ago, Burt Macklin said:

Yeah, while I think they've generally done a really good job with Arya's arc, her killing the NK without having to use any of her Faceless Man magical abilities seems pretty dumb. If the most important person she kills using her magic ends up being Walder fucking Frey, then the whole Faceless Man plot will feel like a pretty big waste.

I think no matter if arya uses it or not tonight... the whole faceless man plot was as boring of a plot as you can write up.

yeah but it didn't have to be. Take more advantage of Arya having those skills, like actually incorporate it into her killing the NK or Cersei or Dany, or have it come back to play a role in how/why Arya dies and there's at least a good payoff.

[utxmike05 1828]

Fuk me I still can’t believe they are going to be able to wrap it all up tonight in one episode...




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[Prepuce of Doom 21053]

Arya kills Tyrion and steals his face in order to kill Danerys. 

After Arya kills Danerys, she steals her face, while wearing Danerys, she publicly withdraws her claim to the Iron Throne in order to give it to Jon or Sansa (whichever one Danerys doesn't kill early in the episode). 

Arya/Danerys publicly kills herself in order to close the loop. 

Global audience riots. Twitter crashes. 

HBO sees massive cancelations tomorrow. 

[deech 2272]

There is no ending that will satisfy people.  So looking forward to watching and then listen to several days of endless bitching and ranking this episode as a 2.3/10.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

10 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Arya kills Tyrion and steals his face in order to kill Danerys. 

After Arya kills Danerys, she steals her face, while wearing Danerys, she publicly withdraws her claim to the Iron Throne in order to give it to Jon or Sansa (whichever one Danerys doesn't kill early in the episode). 

Arya/Danerys publicly kills herself in order to close the loop. 

Global audience riots. Twitter crashes. 

HBO sees massive cancelations tomorrow. 

Valar morghulis

[maninblack 7974]

42 minutes ago, utxmike05 said:

Fuk me I still can’t believe they are going to be able to wrap it all up tonight in one episode...

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They're not. It's going to be the dumbest fucking ending possible

[maninblack 7974]

12 minutes ago, deech said:

There is no ending that will satisfy people.  So looking forward to watching and then listen to several days of endless bitching and ranking this episode as a 2.3/10.

You're being generous with that rating

[TexasMan 10891]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I’ll be satisfied with any ending.  Fucking Hot Pie could warg into Drogon and kill everyone and I’d be cool with it.   The Army of the Dead was defeated, everything that comes afterwards is window dressing. 

[Neonmoon 38129]

1 hour ago, Goo Punch said:

i have no idea where your indignation comes from, but yeah, i'm arguing that we spent way too much time on one of the most tedious, aimless storylines, all with the endgame of arya becoming a faceless man, only to have her never use those abilities again after killing the Freys. and then to write her in as the killer of the NK and to not use her magic to do so...it's bad. it was a huge waste of time was awfully tedious. 

I think it’s silly and borderline ignorant to view the purpose of Arya’s time with the faceless man as only acquiring the face swapping trick, or if you believe she did become a faceless man, she would only be allowed to use the face swapping trick to kill someone, especially considering we have seen Jalen H’ghar and the helper girl kill without swapping faces beforehand. The helper girl tried to use poison once. 

To say she “as the killer of the NK and to not use her magic to do so...it’s bad” is just silly. 

 

 

[Neonmoon 38129]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

Please list all the places where one can become a great assassin? 

First off, she never became a faceless man, so I don’t know if the Faceless Man rules apply to Arya in the totally made up realm where we only see snippets of each made up characters lives. So there could be payment from some other person in another part of the world. I don’t know, they never really fleshed out the rules that much. They sure as shit didn’t say if you take a life, you must give up your life later. 

 

1 hour ago, Burt Macklin said:

They establish in Season 5 that a debt must be paid when a Faceless man takes a life, and the more difficult/important the person is, the greater the price. They also establish that it's up to the god of death, whether the target should actually be killed.  It's crystal clear from the show that when you want someone to be killed, you must pay the price. If Arya goes off and decides who she will kill, then she's the one who incurs the debt, not to mention that Arya never killed Lady Crane in Season 6 and Jaqen pretty much told her she'll die if she doesn't go through with it. Anyways, the point is they established the rules decently well enough to know Arya has violated basically all of them and spent a good bit of time explaining the Faceless Men and the god of death. I'm guessing the show writers are just going to act like none of this ever happened and ignore it. 

I get Arya had to learn to be an assassin somewhere, but the show writers easily could have made the whole Faceless Man part be more meaningful the last two seasons without having to add much screen time.  Maybe they'll have it come into play this last episode, but I doubt it.  

It’s obvious you didn’t actually read what I wrote, or if you did, you didn’t comprehend the words, especially the part about Arya not actually being a faceless man and maybe the faceless man rules don’t actually apply to Arya. 

I know I’m coming off as an asshole. I get it. It’s just there are a million things to be mad about this season, and character arcs that were completely butchered, but Arya is not one of them. Cersei, Jaime, Dany, whatever, take your pick. But Arya from the beginning wanted to be a warrior like her brothers, she wasn’t a lady. In KL, with the Hound, Faceless Men, she was always training to be a badass killer to get revenge and protect her family. And in the end, she got revenge against Frey’s among others and was a badass killer by killing the NK. 

She is the only character they didn’t fuck up (so far, one episode left)

[Goo Punch 4275]

5 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I think it’s silly and borderline ignorant to view the purpose of Arya’s time with the faceless man as only acquiring the face swapping trick, or if you believe she did become a faceless man, she would only be allowed to use the face swapping trick to kill someone, especially considering we have seen Jalen H’ghar and the helper girl kill without swapping faces beforehand. The helper girl tried to use poison once. 

To say she “as the killer of the NK and to not use her magic to do so...it’s bad” is just silly. 

 

 

right, how silly of me to assume that there'd be some sort of payoff to the whole "let's spend countless painstaking hours watching arya become a faceless man" thing. how silly of me to think that that a major storyline which spanned 3-4 seasons would ultimately have a purpose in the grand scheme of things, and not be dropped and altogether forgotten as soon as she actually becomes a faceless man. so silly of me.

 

[Goo Punch 4275]

during arya's time in braavos i legitimately believed that the ultra slow moving storyline was done purposefully, so that the viewer could really feel and have a sense of the time and work and sacrifice that went into becoming a faceless man, and that in the end all of the time spent watching her scrubbing the floor bathing corpses would be worth it due to her new faceless man abilities and the major role they would play going forward. instead she killed wolder frey a couple of seasons ago and it hasn't been mentioned since.

what's silly is acting incredulous that a fan of the show would have wanted/expected more payoff from that major, time consuming storyline which resulted in one of our favorite characters now possessing magical powers which she literally does not use on the show. 

[Eskimohorn 5630]

did i bring up her storyline of becoming "a good assassin", or a faceless man?

The Hound gave her a nice talk about not killing herself in the name of revenge. This was after a thousand mile horse ride, then sneaking in the City (with the Hound and without telling anyone), marching to the Red Keep, where they’d have no idea where the Mountain or Cersei would be, avoiding dragon fire and falling buildings.

Once she had that epiphany, she didn’t bother exiting the passages she’s used before, or hanging out to bring Cersei to justice, she goes out in the streets and becomes the lone survivor. She now feels empathy towards the people who cheered her father’s gruesome beheading and looks to bring Dany to justice (or whatever on the white horse).

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

If only Arya was ripping faces off every episode this show would be perfect.