Formula 1 2024

[Levi 2576]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

Just want to point out that I think Danny performs at least as well as Checo has in the actual RBR seat if he was in it from race 1.

Here's hoping he gets the send off at COTA. 

And also, fuck Checo. 

I think so. If Red Bull had went through with their original plan, the constructors might be attainable with Danny. I’m not really mad at Checo tho because by this point he’s one of a handful of drivers that shouldn’t be in F1 right now. 

[NoName 16342]

1 hour ago, Levi said:

I think so. If Red Bull had went through with their original plan, the constructors might be attainable with Danny. I’m not really mad at Checo tho because by this point he’s one of a handful of drivers that shouldn’t be in F1 right now. 

His results in that car over the last 1.5 seasons would get him ejected out of his seat for any other team. 

Max is out qualifying him 17-1. Same as Terry Boatass vs Zhou.

I hope they fucking fire him the Monday after the Mexican GP after he bins the car on lap 3. I'd rather see Danny, Liam or Yuki in that seat starting today.

Edited September 25 by NoName

[utee94 15751]

[morehornsepower 867]

Hate to see this...Danny's gone from RB. 

Edited September 26 by morehornsepower

[Goofyboy 3248]

Wow. What a shit send off. Not surprising for Red Bull.

[Mittens 8198]

Honestly don't know how they have fans outside of the driver's home countries.

[Lidig8r 1863]

 

[faps 806]

Total BS. They handled this about as bad as you could for a guy who's been nothing but professional and is universally loved. Yes his best years may have been behind him, but he deserved a better send off for sure.

As stated by everyone, Perez is allowed to be total shit in the main team.

[faps 806]

Also, you have to feel for Liam a little bit here. Surely the guy doesn't want to take over under these circumstances. But an F1 seat is an F1 seat.

[Mittens 8198]

 

[utee94 15751]

Just a crappy deal all the way around.  I wish it could have been otherwise, and I wish he'd at least had the chance to race here in Austin one more time.  He'll be missed

[Chewbacca 7730]

The world is not right when Danny's out of F1 and Checo is still tanking RBR's season in the main team.

[utee94 15751]

Just now, Chewbacca said:

The world is not right when Danny's out of F1 and Checo is still tanking RBR's season in the main team.

...on the other hand, RBR thoroughly deserves Checo tanking their season, so I'll allow it...

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Big Tex ...

[Napoleon 8634]

I have a new favorite driver.

VAMOS ARGENTINA, CARAJO!!

🇦🇷🏎️🇦🇷

[aggie08 21455]

Can someone explain to me what a "good" send-off would be for a driver who only had the seat in the first place because of his relationships with Red Bull? They've already put off getting Lawson in the drive for way too long.

Hate Red Bull all you want...no one else would have even given him a seat the past two years.

Edited September 26 by aggie08

[Goofyboy 3248]

Can someone explain to me what a "good" send-off would be for a driver who only had the seat in the first place because of his relationships with Red Bull? They've already put off getting Lawson in the drive for way too long.
Hate Red Bull all you want...no one else would have even given him a seat the past two years.

Announcing it before the weekend would have been polite. Maybe letting him drive Austin. Hell, just making the announcement official after the race would have been better than what he got.

[Chewbacca 7730]

20 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Can someone explain to me what a "good" send-off would be for a driver who only had the seat in the first place because of his relationships with Red Bull? They've already put off getting Lawson in the drive for way too long.

Hate Red Bull all you want...no one else would have even given him a seat the past two years.

Shit, Danny is a better driver than a lot of guys still on the grid.  I'd take him above:

• Stroll
• Ocon
• KMag
• Hulk
• Zhou
• Checo

And he's on par with Yuki, but Yuki is younger and has that Honda money behind him.

[Mittens 8198]

45 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

Announcing it before the weekend would have been polite. Maybe letting him drive Austin. Hell, just making the announcement official after the race would have been better than what he got.

This right here.  Doesn't take much.

[wood 11199]

1 hour ago, Napoleon said:

I have a new favorite driver.

VAMOS ARGENTINA, CARAJO!!

🇦🇷🏎️🇦🇷

Yeah he's fun to root for. Cool helmet. Very Alonso.

[wood 11199]

48 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

Announcing it before the weekend would have been polite. Maybe letting him drive Austin. Hell, just making the announcement official after the race would have been better than what he got.

Yep. And a gathering of the team in the paddock, a round of applause, hugs & well-wishes, getting together with other drivers, taking photos, etc. It's simple & easy.

[Levi 2576]

 

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Can someone explain to me what a "good" send-off would be for a driver who only had the seat in the first place because of his relationships with Red Bull? They've already put off getting Lawson in the drive for way too long.

Hate Red Bull all you want...no one else would have even given him a seat the past two years.

I mean no matter how Danny got the seat, he still had a successful career and had a major impact on the sport as a whole. The same should go for Perez, who should also not be in the seat he’s currently in. It was objectively shitty how VCARB and Red Bull handled this situation. They couldn’t even do the bare minimum. 

[NoName 16342]

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Can someone explain to me what a "good" send-off would be for a driver who only had the seat in the first place because of his relationships with Red Bull? They've already put off getting Lawson in the drive for way too long.

Hate Red Bull all you want...no one else would have even given him a seat the past two years.

How about announcing it before the GP weekend like a normal team? Is being halfway decent too much to ask?

Go be condescending in some other thread.

[NoName 16342]

4 minutes ago, Levi said:

 

I mean no matter how Danny got the seat, he still had a successful career and had a major impact on the sport as a whole. The same should go for Perez, who should also not be in the seat he’s currently in. It was objectively shitty how VCARB and Red Bull handled this situation. They couldn’t even do the bare minimum. 

All they had to do was announce it Thursday like any normal team would have done.

[ChickenSandwich 9809]

He was a great ambassador for F1 when they are seriously lacking in that area currently. 
 

Much better than the spoiled brat manlets that can’t even grow a full stache. 

[NoName 16342]

10 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

He was a great ambassador for F1 when they are seriously lacking in that area currently. 
 

Much better than the spoiled brat manlets that can’t even grow a full stache. 

[aggie08 21455]

25 minutes ago, NoName said:

How about announcing it before the GP weekend like a normal team? Is being halfway decent too much to ask?

Go be condescending in some other thread.

Then you guys would have complained that they didn't let him finish in Austin.

It was pretty damn clear that they had already told Daniel before Singapore, and the announcers and everyone watching treated his fastest lap as his "send-off". Everyone in the paddock knew too. What would have changed had they "officially" announced it on Thursday? How much Pomp and Circumstance would dropping a midfield driver mid-season actually warrant?

They obviously didn't handle it perfectly, but adding this to the list of things to hate Red Bull--the only team who would employ him--over seems silly to me.

 

[aggie08 21455]

47 minutes ago, wood said:

Yep. And a gathering of the team in the paddock, a round of applause, hugs & well-wishes, getting together with other drivers, taking photos, etc. It's simple & easy.

I haven't been watching F1 nearly as long as you, but the only time I recall seeing something like this happen with any driver for any reason is when Grosjean returned to the paddock.

[ChickenSandwich 9809]

2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I haven't been watching F1 nearly as long as you, but the only time I recall seeing something like this happen with any driver for any reason is when Grosjean returned to the paddock.

 

[NoName 16342]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Then you guys would have complained that they didn't let him finish in Austin.

It was pretty damn clear that they had already told Daniel before Singapore, and the announcers and everyone watching treated his fastest lap as his "send-off". Everyone in the paddock knew too. What would have changed had they "officially" announced it on Thursday? How much Pomp and Circumstance would dropping a midfield driver mid-season actually warrant?

They obviously didn't handle it perfectly, but adding this to the list of things to hate Red Bull--the only team who would employ him--over seems silly to me.

 

"Only team that would employ him"

Normal team would have handled this whole situation differently, especially with what he's done for the team overall since coming up as a junior. There's a reason so many people in the media and fan media both have said they should have handled it differently. Honestly you are the single person I've seen act like it's reasonable.

Riccardo isn't Logan Sargent. Stop acting like he is or was.

It's shitty for a real to handle removing a driver from a seat this way, when all it would have taken was being professional. They weren't, and it would have been easy to be.

[aggie08 21455]

3 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

 

Touche.

[aggie08 21455]

3 minutes ago, NoName said:

"Only team that would employ him"

Am I wrong? If not for Red Bull, he wouldn't have gotten another seat. We would have been having this conversation two years ago about how much it sucks that McLaren ended his career as unceremoniously as they did.

I'm not saying he's Logan Sargent. He's probably still better than a few of the drivers out there. But he's in an uncomfortable spot. Too old to get the nod over younger drivers, even ones with questionable potential. Not accomplished enough to "pick" his last race like Vettel.

[wood 11199]

43 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I haven't been watching F1 nearly as long as you, but the only time I recall seeing something like this happen with any driver for any reason is when Grosjean returned to the paddock.

It happens fairly commonly with the higher profile drivers when they leave. There were big to-dos when Alonso 'retired', when Schumi, Vettel, Massa & Kimi retired, etc. Danny isn't quite Schumi & Alonso level, but he's very good and is no scrub or pay driver, either. I don't hate Red Bull, but after what he contributed to F1 & the team(s) for what, a decade, he deserved a proper sendoff, even if it was a modest one.

Edited September 27 by wood

[NoName 16342]

23 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Am I wrong? If not for Red Bull, he wouldn't have gotten another seat. We would have been having this conversation two years ago about how much it sucks that McLaren ended his career as unceremoniously as they did.

I'm not saying he's Logan Sargent. He's probably still better than a few of the drivers out there. But he's in an uncomfortable spot. Too old to get the nod over younger drivers, even ones with questionable potential. Not accomplished enough to "pick" his last race like Vettel.

We literally had Steiner saying he wanted him at Haas two years ago but saying Danny wanted more money than Gene would pay. 

Shitting on him when there is Zhou on the grid is fucking laughable. Kmag is on the grid. Debatable that Yuki is better than him. I don't think Checo is better than him. Come on man, acting like he's washed and didn't deserve a seat at all is hilarious.

I know you hate RBR but be serious.

[aggie08 21455]

7 minutes ago, wood said:

It happens fairly commonly with the higher profile drivers when they leave. There were big to-dos when Alonso 'retired', when Schumi & Vettel retired, etc. Danny isn't quite Schumi & Alonso level, but he's no scrub or pay driver, either. I don't hate Red Bull, but after what he contributed to F1 & the team(s) for what, a decade, he deserved a proper sendoff, even if it was a modest one.

Fair enough. Though, I think you'd agree that "modest" is the most important word there. Send offs, I assume, are almost always at the very the of the year. In Vettel's case, the driver's and constructor's championships were already well decided by Abu Dhabi. A team opting to drop a decently accomplished driver with a handful of races left in a highly competitive season isn't quite the same cause for celebration and reminiscing. 

Watching the Singapore Grand Prix, I'm fairly certain that everyone who matters already knew. Which, I guess only helps make the point that they should have officially told the fans too.

My general meandering point was that it feels disingenuous to chastise Red Bull for not handling the end of his career perfectly when they--and only they--were willing to keep him on the paddock and highly paid for two more years for the slight chance they could recapture something together. But I guess they could have tried harder to do both.

[Chewbacca 7730]

 

My thoughts exactly. Seb had a year long retirement tour.

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11 hours ago, aggie08 said:

Am I wrong?

take the cue

 

[NoName 16342]

10 hours ago, aggie08 said:

My general meandering point was that it feels disingenuous to chastise Red Bull for not handling the end of his career perfectly when they--and only they--were willing to keep him on the paddock and highly paid for two more years for the slight chance they could recapture something together. But I guess they could have tried harder to do both.

No one wants perfect. All people wanted and expected was a basic send off for a guy who has done a lot for the team. It isn't like he drove for RBR then finished Hai career at Kick or whatever they are called next year.

Also you keep shitting on him like he was getting 17-0d like Zhou, but he very clearly wasn't.

 

[NoName 16342]

I recognize I'm probably the biggest Danny fan around these parts and I completely understand why they would replace him. If you aren't going to dump Checo for him now then you never are and you have the Lawson guaranteed seat thing.

But this has been a shit show.

Meredith runs a Danny fan account fwiw.

someone uploaded the entire Monza race on Twitter lol

 

[aggie08 21455]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

No one wants perfect. All people wanted and expected was a basic send off for a guy who has done a lot for the team. It isn't like he drove for RBR then finished Hai career at Kick or whatever they are called next year.

Also you keep shitting on him like he was getting 17-0d like Zhou, but he very clearly wasn't.

Except I haven't really shit on him other than to acknowledge the obvious that he's too old/expensive (and without the right financial backing or father) at his current pace to find a comfortable seat, and he was incredibly fortunate to have been given nearly two years in what's supposed to be a developmental seat. It doesn't really matter that he's still better than a handful of guys on the grid. If he was truly still fast enough, we wouldn't all be acknowledging that this is almost certainly it.

I get it: he's about the closest thing to a successful modern day American driver that we've got, and he has ties to Austin. But if RBR unceremoniously dumped Checo tomorrow (and, frankly, they should), you'd have absolutely zero problem with it. Both are pretty similar: incredibly popular/likable, huge fan bases, well accomplished (8 wins, 32 podiums for Daniel; 6 wins, 39 podiums for Checo), but past their racing prime. It's a tough profession, and only the best get to decide how they go out. Red Bull likely extended his career as a Formula 1 driver almost 3 full years.

But yes, I'll acknowledge that they should have been more timely and forthcoming with their announcement to the public because it would have been an incredibly easy thing to do. 

 

[NoName 16342]

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Except I haven't really shit on him other than to acknowledge the obvious that he's too old/expensive (and without the right financial backing or father) at his current pace to find a comfortable seat, and he was incredibly fortunate to have been given nearly two years in what's supposed to be a developmental seat. It doesn't really matter that he's still better than a handful of guys on the grid. If he was truly still fast enough, we wouldn't all be acknowledging that this is almost certainly it.

I get it: he's about the closest thing to a successful modern day American driver that we've got, and he has ties to Austin. But if RBR unceremoniously dumped Checo tomorrow (and, frankly, they should), you'd have absolutely zero problem with it. Both are pretty similar: incredibly popular/likable, huge fan bases, well accomplished (8 wins, 32 podiums for Daniel; 6 wins, 39 podiums for Checo), but past their racing prime. It's a tough profession, and only the best get to decide how they go out. Red Bull likely extended his career as a Formula 1 driver almost 3 full years.

But yes, I'll acknowledge that they should have been more timely and forthcoming with their announcement to the public because it would have been an incredibly easy thing to do. 

 

We agree on Checo and I'll bet 1 dollar buck  they announce it the week of the Mexican GP that he's out of the seat next year.

If he is in one race for them next year Max really should go sign with another team.

Sorry for being a bitch about this, super annoyed across the board.

Also all eyes on VCARB now for their absolutely dreadful in race tactics/strategic decisions. They fucked multiple races for both drivers multiple times this year. 

[aggie08 21455]

10 minutes ago, NoName said:

Sorry for being a bitch about this, super annoyed across the board.

Not at all. I obviously hold the minority opinion of this not really being a big deal, and I haven't exactly expressed that opinion well or eloquently. 

[utee94 15751]

43 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Not at all. I obviously hold the minority opinion of this not really being a big deal, and I haven't exactly expressed that opinion well or eloquently. 

You could just acknowledge that you're wrong, it is a big deal, RBR screwed up, and then we could all move along.

 

 

[Dutch 4465]

21 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

Announcing it before the weekend would have been polite. Maybe letting him drive Austin. Hell, just making the announcement official after the race would have been better than what he got.

This. Especially since Lawson said he’s known for two weeks. 

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Michael Andretti cashing out at Andretti Autosport, so it looks like their F1 entry is either done or could be moving forward as a Cadillac F1 team with no Andretti involvement, with Dan Towriss pushing it forward. Or some are thinking it could be an attempt by McLaren to enter a second team, since Zak Brown was recently added to the Andretti Autosport board earlier this month. 

WeWillSee.

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8 hours ago, aggie08 said:

Not at all. I obviously hold the minority opinion of this not really being a big deal, and I haven't exactly expressed that opinion well or eloquently. 

I would say that the only person on the planet outside of rbr that holds this opinion definitely puts you in the minority. 

[NoName 16342]

Make this happen please

[Chewbacca 7730]

Make this happen please

Like the Manning cast but better.

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Red bull race strategist joining mclaren

soon enough that team will just be horner and verstappen alone holding hands under the rain

[aggie08 21455]

14 hours ago, pops said:

I would say that the only person on the planet outside of rbr that holds this opinion definitely puts you in the minority. 

Do you think Daniel Ricciardo is bitter about how it ended, or ultimately grateful that they gave him the opportunity to drive as long as they did? If the latter, everything else is just noise.