Formula 1 2024

[NoName 16423]

5 hours ago, deft said:

Checo gonna checo

The guy shouldn't even get a seat anywhere next year 

 

[Goofyboy 3300]

The guy shouldn't even get a seat anywhere next year 
 

I saw a click bait that said Perez wants $20M to go away.

[NoName 16423]

5 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

I saw a click bait that said Perez wants $20M to go away.

They are going to lose nearly that much by finishing third in WCC vs first this year. And ultimately will cost then Max if they keep him

Dude is fucking toast.

 

[pops 7018]

Hamilton is fucking flying out there. 

[deft 6897]

The tire deg must be out of control

[deft 6897]

Congrats max. Someone start the 25 thread.

[Updawg 2295]

Pretty boring race

[NoName 16423]

6 hours ago, Updawg said:

Pretty boring race

If you choose to stay up for almost any sporting event at 1 am you are going to be disappointed

[NoName 16423]

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200 points ahead of your teammate 😂

 

LEC is piiiiiiiiiissed

Finally

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kevwun 15940]

Not sure why Ferrari thought Sainz was going to listen when they spent the whole race ignoring his input and he's got 2 races left with them.

Edited November 24 by kevwun

[Mac8111 2118]

Besides Ferrari’s complete inability to actually have a strategy, what specifically was Leclerc upset with?

[kevwun 15940]

Sainz didn't pull away from Verstappen so that he would have DRS and it kept Sam from being able to pass him for several laps.  I can't blame him because it helped get him a podium.

[Goofyboy 3300]

Sainz had three races left with Ferrari. If I’m him, I’m going for the best for me. It’s obvious the team still can’t plan a race, so why bother playing fair.

[kevwun 15940]

Mercedes handled Hamilton much better.  They let him try to catch Russell with no instructions.

Edited November 24 by kevwun

[deft 6897]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCwwC1eBjqf/?igsh=MWVnY3V2bzV6aXJvMA==

[PittsburghTiger 6239]

Perez is amazing. Dude is just stealing money now.

As for Stroll, I wonder if Daddy is taking his "salary" out of Lance's inheritance.

 

 

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Edited Monday at 07:39 PM by wood

[PittsburghTiger 6239]

56 minutes ago, wood said:

 

 

Nice!

 

[wood 11320]

Yep ...

 

[wood 11320]

People already talking about hoping Herta gets a seat. Dude's pretty meh if you ask me. It's not like he's exactly lit up IndyCar, and I personally don't really see him as a promising F1 talent. Surely there's someone else in the pipeline. Having an American driver is not top priority imho, at least not at the very beginning. They'll need good drivers to help them develop, from whatever country.

[kevwun 15940]

If it's a necessity, they should get an American for the 2nd seat and the best driver they can get for the first.

[wood 11320]

Dan Wheldon's 15 yo is racing & looking good. Could be one to keep an eye on.

[wood 11320]

Wouldn't surprise me if at some point we see Michael Andretti announced as Team Principal.

[NoName 16423]

18 hours ago, wood said:

Dan Wheldon's 15 yo is racing & looking good. Could be one to keep an eye on.

I genuinely hope they build an academy, don't go the Haas or some of the other team ways where their "academy" is one dude in f2

[Hawndoh 2394]

I'd like to see Alex Palou in an F1 car. He isn't American but he has been racing in America for several years and clearly is the best at where he is.

[Burt Macklin 19060]

25 minutes ago, Hawndoh said:

I'd like to see Alex Palou in an F1 car. He isn't American but he has been racing in America for several years and clearly is the best at where he is.

Same. Palou is far and away the best driver in Indy, and it would be really cool to see how he does in F1. I think he'd do very well and could be a top 10 driver on the grid once he gets some experience and has a chance to acclimate.

 

Palou raced some in the junior categories in Europe and showed some strong potential. There's actually a F3 race where he raced in Spain against Albon and Leclerc. He burned up his tires, because he wasn't used to having nurse Pirellis since he wasn't full time driver in the series, but he showed his potential before his tires gave out. Leclerc won obviously, because he's God's gift to racing and a future WDC (no bias from me on this description).

 

I'll see if I can find it. It would make for some good offseason watching.

 

 

[wood 11320]

1 hour ago, Hawndoh said:

I'd like to see Alex Palou in an F1 car. He isn't American but he has been racing in America for several years and clearly is the best at where he is.

 

44 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Same. Palou is far and away the best driver in Indy, and it would be really cool to see how he does in F1. I think he'd do very well and could be a top 10 driver on the grid once he gets some experience and has a chance to acclimate.

 

Palou raced some in the junior categories in Europe and showed some strong potential. There's actually a F3 race where he raced in Spain against Albon and Leclerc. He burned up his tires, because he wasn't used to having nurse Pirellis since he wasn't full time driver in the series, but he showed his potential before his tires gave out. Leclerc won obviously, because he's God's gift to racing and a future WDC (no bias from me on this description).

Estos.

[utee94 15878]

+whatever on Palou

This is gonna get fun!

[NoName 16423]

Toast

[52-80 19276]

Albon described what it was like driving against Verstappen. 

He said Verstappen likes an extremely quick front axle, perhaps the most extreme on the grid. So while each driver can tune their car differently, the baseline configuration and development path of RB is towards a twitchy car. 

If you fall behind Max in performance, you might want to push harder, which is riskier in a punishing car like that, so youre prone to making even more mistakes, and it creates this spiraling deficit. 

This is the reason it seems like his partners always get the boot - their relative gap continues to degrade. 

(except i think ricciardo was better but w/e)

[wood 11320]

4 hours ago, 52-80 said:

Albon described what it was like driving against Verstappen. 

He said Verstappen likes an extremely quick front axle, perhaps the most extreme on the grid. So while each driver can tune their car differently, the baseline configuration and development path of RB is towards a twitchy car. 

If you fall behind Max in performance, you might want to push harder, which is riskier in a punishing car like that, so youre prone to making even more mistakes, and it creates this spiraling deficit. 

This is the reason it seems like his partners always get the boot - their relative gap continues to degrade. 

(except i think ricciardo was better but w/e)

Yep, we talked about it some here a little while back. A twitchier, more 'on the nose' car will generally perform better because it changes direction well, so if the drivers could handle it, the engineers would make the car as twitchy as possible to extract the most possible performance from it.  The problem is that every driver has a limit to how twitchy of a car they can handle. Otherwise, the engineers would make every car super-'pointy'. Apparently Max's threshold and ability to tame that twitchiness is off the charts.

Edited Friday at 04:56 AM by wood

[kevwun 15940]

It’s like the f16.  The plane is inherently unstable.  Without a computer making constant adjustments, it would not be able to fly without crashing.  That jitteriness makes it very nimble in a dogfight though.  In a race car, Max is the flight computer.

[aggie08 21573]

While I agree that is has been extremely detrimental to Perez* to drive a car tuned to maximize the insane talents of Max as opposed to a more "normal" tune...every other driver on the grid would have killed their own mothers to be driving Sergio's car the past 2.5 seasons.

*and it shows every Saturday, when you have to push the limits to succeed

[wood 11320]

5 hours ago, kevwun said:

It’s like the f16.  The plane is inherently unstable.  Without a computer making constant adjustments, it would not be able to fly without crashing.  That jitteriness makes it very nimble in a dogfight though.  In a race car, Max is the flight computer.

Exactly. I remember way back, long before I really got into F1, a coworker who did some racing was talking about what makes a race car fast around a track. He said the more stable a car is, the more limited it is in terms of performance. He talked about needing a car to be inherently unstable at the start in order to really be able to change direction well, which is absolutely critical in road circuit racing. I couldn't get my head around that for a little while, knowing nothing about it at the time. It seemed counterintuitive, but now it makes perfect sense.

Edited Friday at 05:39 PM by wood

[wood 11320]

59 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

While I agree that is has been extremely detrimental to Perez* to drive a car tuned to maximize the insane talents of Max as opposed to a more "normal" tune...every other driver on the grid would have killed their own mothers to be driving Sergio's car the past 2.5 seasons.

*and it shows every Saturday, when you have to push the limits to succeed

I think Checo's time has passed, at least in a car as aggressively on the edge as that one. But I don't like to think of it as developing the car to suit Max. This is what the engineers would like to do with every car. They want it pointy af, and then they can make it more manageable in setup. It's just that the drivers can't handle it, being human beings with limitations of their own. Hell, they'd probably go further than what Max could handle, too, if they could, but there's no point in going beyond what your #1 driver can handle and maximize in terms of performance. The argument from #2 drivers that they were disadvantaged because the team built the car to suit the lead driver is as old as F1, but they're really just building the fastest car that they can - that their best driver can handle. If there's a wider gap between that team's #1 and #2 drivers, then the #2 suffers more as the car gets more on the edge.

It reminds me of the old coach's saying about athletes: "I'd rather have to dial back an overly aggressive player than have to get a kid to play harder".

[NoName 16423]

 

[PittsburghTiger 6239]

On 11/29/2024 at 12:03 PM, wood said:

I think Checo's time has passed, at least in a car as aggressively on the edge as that one. But I don't like to think of it as developing the car to suit Max. This is what the engineers would like to do with every car. They want it pointy af, and then they can make it more manageable in setup. It's just that the drivers can't handle it, being human beings with limitations of their own. Hell, they'd probably go further than what Max could handle, too, if they could, but there's no point in going beyond what your #1 driver can handle and maximize in terms of performance. The argument from #2 drivers that they were disadvantaged because the team built the car to suit the lead driver is as old as F1, but they're really just building the fastest car that they can - that their best driver can handle. If there's a wider gap between that team's #1 and #2 drivers, then the #2 suffers more as the car gets more on the edge.

It reminds me of the old coach's saying about athletes: "I'd rather have to dial back an overly aggressive player than have to get a kid to play harder".

 

22 hours ago, NoName said:

 

Watching Perez start the Sprint from the Pit Lane showed an embarrassing lack of effort, or “I give a fuck”.

He shouldn’t even get to race in the feature race. That was just sad.

Edited 7 hours ago by PittsburghTiger