Formula 1 2024

[faps 806]

Why the fuck is there a civil war, they not content with winning every gd race? Is this Jos Verstappen's fault?

[G650 14074]

9 minutes ago, faps said:

Is this Jos Verstappen's fault?

Everything is always Jos Verstappen's fault

[Hawndoh 2379]

9 minutes ago, faps said:

Why the fuck is there a civil war, they not content with winning every gd race? Is this Jos Verstappen's fault?

Because F1 is full of egos and assholes. You can't really succeed in F1 without being one.

[utee94 15744]

Jos is worse than the Derrell.

[Burt Macklin 18989]

54 minutes ago, faps said:

Why the fuck is there a civil war, they not content with winning every gd race? Is this Jos Verstappen's fault?

This is all fallout from Mateschitz dying. There’s been behind the scenes wars over the power vacuum left since he passed and it’s coming to the surface now. Horner wants RBR to be separated from the Red Bull company bc he doesn’t want Red Bull management having control over him and the 51% Thai owners of Red Bull are on Horner’s side. 
 

It also sounds like there’s been a power struggle between Horner and Marko within RBR with Verstappen being on Marko’s side. 
 

If this were a TV show, I’d say it’s all too outlandish to even be worth watching. 

[ConferenceRoom 6123]

47 minutes ago, Hawndoh said:

Because F1 is full of egos and assholes. You can't really succeed in F1 without being one.

Hell, Ron Dennis had Martin Whitmarsh installed under the lake for a while. Craziest sport on the planet. 

[wood 11121]

8 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

This is all fallout from Mateschitz dying. There’s been behind the scenes wars over the power vacuum left since he passed and it’s coming to the surface now. Horner wants RBR to be separated from the Red Bull company bc he doesn’t want Red Bull management having control over him and the 51% Thai owners of Red Bull are on Horner’s side. 

It also sounds like there’s been a power struggle between Horner and Marko within RBR with Verstappen being on Marko’s side. 

Este. As soon as Dieter died, some people were saying shit was about to get real, but we had no idea it would be anything like this.

And things seem to be heating up on the FOM vs MBS front as well. FOM wants MBS out, and someone (likely FOM imho) is doing their best to dig up shit on him, which isn't difficult.

Edited March 5 by wood

[kevwun 15608]

Why would Max side with the guy who has nothing to do with how fast his car is?  This is the F1 version of Jerry Jones thinking he didn't need Jimmie Johnson.

Edited March 5 by kevwun

[Burt Macklin 18989]

6 minutes ago, wood said:

Este. As soon as Dieter died, some people were saying shit was about to get real, but we had no idea it would be anything like this.

And things seem to be heating up on the FOM vs MBS front as well. FOM wants MBS out, and someone (likely FOM imho) is doing their best to dig up shit on him, which isn't difficult.

Yeah, the amount of dirt coming out on MBS lately seems very coordinated and he’s made a habit of pissing off FOM since he took the role. 
 

 

3 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Why would Max side with the guy who has nothing to do with how fast his car is?  This is the F1 version of Jerry Jones thinking he didn't need Jimmie Johnson.

It seems to be more Jos than Max, so I’d guess it’s an ego thing. Maybe they think they can get Newey to go with them if they jump to Merc. There’s also talk about Ford backing out of its deal with RBR over the Horner stuff, so RBR could be in real trouble for the new engine regs in 2026. Merc or Ferrari could pass them up if they don’t do well with the new engine. 

Edited March 5 by Burt Macklin

[wood 11121]

2 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Why would Max side with the guy who has nothing to do with how fast his car is?

If that tweet is accurate, Newey would apparently be on the same side as Marko, or is just going to fuck off to design sailboats or something.

[kevwun 15608]

That would at least make some sense, but what happened to drive a wedge between Horner and Newey?  If this all actually goes down, it needs to be made in to a mini series at some point.

Edited March 5 by kevwun

[wood 11121]

7 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Yeah, the amount of dirt coming out on MBS lately seems very coordinated and he’s made a habit of pissing off FOM since he took the role. 

Yeah the timing of the MBS stuff coming out is very interesting. Two things dropping in two days? Very unlikely that's merely a coincidence imho. Kinda like the Lewis news dropping immediately after FOM's idiotic list of bullshit 'reasons' to deny Andretti entry.

Thought this was interesting ...

 

Edited March 5 by wood

[deft 6791]

If that tweet is accurate, Newey would apparently be on the same side as Marko, or is just going to fuck off to design sailboats or something.

We all laughed at the memes but he’s actually going to retire and make aerodynamic cows. Max will ride one as an independent constructor and be ahead by 4 seconds after lap 5.

[Native Horn 3485]

6 minutes ago, deft said:

We all laughed at the memes but he’s actually going to retire and make aerodynamic cows. Max will ride one as an independent constructor and be ahead by 4 seconds after lap 5.

Red Cow gives you wiiiiiiiings...

[wood 11121]

49 minutes ago, deft said:

We all laughed at the memes but he’s actually going to retire and make aerodynamic cows. Max will ride one as an independent constructor and be ahead by 4 seconds after lap 5.

Maybe they could include steers & bulls in that. Texas needs to money-whip Newey and lock him up. Get him on the Forty pronto. Hold on, lemme fire up the flightaware.

[faps 806]

Longhorn F1 Team comin'

[kevwun 15608]

If Newey ends up on the open market, the bidding will be insane.  I don't want to guess how much money Stroll would offer him.

[wood 11121]

IMHO the 'Max to Merc', 'Marko & Newey leaving' stuff is posturing/bluffing to get the Thai side to can Horner.

[faps 806]

42 minutes ago, kevwun said:

If Newey ends up on the open market, the bidding will be insane.  I don't want to guess how much money Stroll would offer him.

Ross Brawn had a team (for a season), time for a Newey team?

[wood 11121]

9 minutes ago, faps said:

Ross Brawn had a team (for a season), time for a Newey team?

Unfortunately, in the Liberty Media vx of F1, apparently no new teams will be allowed, and none of the existing ones can be had for $1. Before becoming an owner, Brawn was a team principal with all the connections, knowhow, and Machiavellian savvy that come with that. Newey is a master-airbending designer.

Edited March 5 by wood

[Dutch 4465]

It's like January 1994 after the Cowboys won their second SB: the RBR versions of Jerrah and Jimmy are going to slaughter their Golden Goose over who has the power, gets the credit, and (allegedly) gets to bang some chick in the office.

Oh, and then there's this: Ben Sulayem allegedly tried to get officials to axe the Vegas track prior to the GP.

Why, you ask?

"It is not clear why Ben Sulayem would wish for FIA officials to refuse to certify the Las Vegas track. The race was a poster event for F1, and commercial rights holders Liberty Media had invested at least £500m in the event in the hope of using it to promote the sport in the US and across the globe. But the backdrop to Las Vegas, the penultimate race of last season, was two years of tension between Liberty Media and the FIA, in which Ben Sulayem on numerous occasions was keen to extract more money from F1 for the FIA."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/68478049

Spoiler

Mohammed Ben Sulayem, president of Formula 1's governing body, allegedly told officials not to certify the Las Vegas circuit for its race last year.

The claim is from the same whistleblower who accused Ben Sulayem of allegedly telling officials to overturn a penalty to Fernando Alonso in Saudi Arabia last year.

The whistleblower says they were told "on behest of the FIA president" to find a way not to pass the circuit safe for racing.

The claim is in a report by the FIA's compliance officer to its ethics committee.

BBC Sport has seen the report.

An FIA spokesperson said: "From a sporting and safety perspective, the Las Vegas circuit approval followed FIA protocol in terms of inspection and certification.

"If you recall, there was a delay in the track being made available for inspection due to ongoing local organiser construction works."

The report quotes the whistleblower saying they were contacted by their manager, "who on behest of the FIA president instructed him to find some concerns to prevent the FIA from certifying the circuit before the weekend of the race".

The compliance report quotes the whistleblower as saying that "the purpose was to find fault with the track in order to withhold the licence".

It adds: "Asked to be more specific, [the whistleblower] said that issues on the circuit were meant to be artificially identified regardless of their actual existence, with the ultimate goal of withholding the licence."

The whistleblower said they tasked an official with performing this task, and named two further officials who were in the room at the time.

BBC Sport is not identifying the people named in the report.

The report adds that officials were "unable to find any concerns with the circuit and therefore certified the circuit fit for the race".

BBC Sport has learned that other officials present at the time have a different recollection of the events from the whistleblower.

It is not clear why Ben Sulayem would wish for FIA officials to refuse to certify the Las Vegas track.

The race was a poster event for F1, and commercial rights holders Liberty Media had invested at least £500m in the event in the hope of using it to promote the sport in the US and across the globe.

But the backdrop to Las Vegas, the penultimate race of last season, was two years of tension between Liberty Media and the FIA, in which Ben Sulayem on numerous occasions was keen to extract more money from F1 for the FIA.

The contract between the two parties sees the commercial rights holder pay the FIA about $40m a year to perform its duties in legislating F1.

A spokesperson for F1 declined to comment.

What happened to disrupt practice in Vegas?
Early on the first day of practice, Carlos Sainz's Ferrari hit a drain that had become dislodged on the Las Vegas Strip, the centrepiece of the track.

The incident destroyed his Ferrari's chassis and led to the cancellation of the first practice session and a delay to the second one.

The session had been due to start ay midnight. Spectators were sent home at 01:30, before the second session started. It eventually started two and a half hours late and finished at 04:00.

The drain problems were caused by the underground frame beneath the cover becoming cracked, possibly by the forces from cars or Sainz's Ferrari hitting it.

The bolts attaching the cover to the drain were intact and it was established no inspection would have found the problem before practice started.

All grands prix are subject to an FIA report after the event that identifies issues which arose and how they might be dealt with.

The context to this situation
The compliance report is the latest in a series of controversies surrounding Ben Sulaymen since he took office in December 2021.

Most recently, Ben Sulayem inserted himself into the controversy surrounding Red Bull team principal Christian Horner.

During last weekend's Bahrain Grand Prix, the FIA was under pressure from Mercedes and McLaren F1 bosses Toto Wolff and Zak Brown to look into the allegations of inappropriate behaviour against Horner, who has denied the claims.

The 50-year-old was the subject of an internal Red Bull inquiry. The company announced last week on the eve of first practice in Bahrain that the complaint had been "dismissed".

According to Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, after Red Bull's three-time champion Max Verstappen twice failed to give Horner unqualified backing in a news conference in Bahrain, Ben Sulayem approached the Dutchman and said he should publicly back his boss.

Verstappen, BBC Sport has been told, responded by saying Ben Sulayem should launch his own inquiry into the matter.

On the same day, Ben Sulayem posted on Instagram a photograph taken at the inauguration of the Bahrain track in 2004 of him sitting next to Prince Andrew. The post has since been deleted.

And during the off-season, the FIA launched a compliance inquiry into Mercedes team principal Wolff and his wife Susie on the basis of claims in a magazine of a conflict of interest.

The inquiry was withdrawn after just two days, following angry interventions from Mercedes, F1 and the other nine teams, who all said they had not made a complaint.

Insiders say that he and/or the FIA may yet face legal action over the intervention.

 

[wood 11121]

13 minutes ago, Dutch said:

It's like January 1994 after the Cowboys won their second SB: the RBR versions of Jerrah and Jimmy are going to slaughter their Golden Goose over who has the power, gets the credit, and (allegedly) gets to bang some chick in the office.

Oh, and then there's this: Ben Sulayem allegedly tried to get officials to axe the Vegas track prior to the GP.

Why, you ask?

"It is not clear why Ben Sulayem would wish for FIA officials to refuse to certify the Las Vegas track. The race was a poster event for F1, and commercial rights holders Liberty Media had invested at least £500m in the event in the hope of using it to promote the sport in the US and across the globe. But the backdrop to Las Vegas, the penultimate race of last season, was two years of tension between Liberty Media and the FIA, in which Ben Sulayem on numerous occasions was keen to extract more money from F1 for the FIA."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/68478049

  Reveal hidden contents

Mohammed Ben Sulayem, president of Formula 1's governing body, allegedly told officials not to certify the Las Vegas circuit for its race last year.

The claim is from the same whistleblower who accused Ben Sulayem of allegedly telling officials to overturn a penalty to Fernando Alonso in Saudi Arabia last year.

The whistleblower says they were told "on behest of the FIA president" to find a way not to pass the circuit safe for racing.

The claim is in a report by the FIA's compliance officer to its ethics committee.

BBC Sport has seen the report.

An FIA spokesperson said: "From a sporting and safety perspective, the Las Vegas circuit approval followed FIA protocol in terms of inspection and certification.

"If you recall, there was a delay in the track being made available for inspection due to ongoing local organiser construction works."

The report quotes the whistleblower saying they were contacted by their manager, "who on behest of the FIA president instructed him to find some concerns to prevent the FIA from certifying the circuit before the weekend of the race".

The compliance report quotes the whistleblower as saying that "the purpose was to find fault with the track in order to withhold the licence".

It adds: "Asked to be more specific, [the whistleblower] said that issues on the circuit were meant to be artificially identified regardless of their actual existence, with the ultimate goal of withholding the licence."

The whistleblower said they tasked an official with performing this task, and named two further officials who were in the room at the time.

BBC Sport is not identifying the people named in the report.

The report adds that officials were "unable to find any concerns with the circuit and therefore certified the circuit fit for the race".

BBC Sport has learned that other officials present at the time have a different recollection of the events from the whistleblower.

It is not clear why Ben Sulayem would wish for FIA officials to refuse to certify the Las Vegas track.

The race was a poster event for F1, and commercial rights holders Liberty Media had invested at least £500m in the event in the hope of using it to promote the sport in the US and across the globe.

But the backdrop to Las Vegas, the penultimate race of last season, was two years of tension between Liberty Media and the FIA, in which Ben Sulayem on numerous occasions was keen to extract more money from F1 for the FIA.

The contract between the two parties sees the commercial rights holder pay the FIA about $40m a year to perform its duties in legislating F1.

A spokesperson for F1 declined to comment.

What happened to disrupt practice in Vegas?
Early on the first day of practice, Carlos Sainz's Ferrari hit a drain that had become dislodged on the Las Vegas Strip, the centrepiece of the track.

The incident destroyed his Ferrari's chassis and led to the cancellation of the first practice session and a delay to the second one.

The session had been due to start ay midnight. Spectators were sent home at 01:30, before the second session started. It eventually started two and a half hours late and finished at 04:00.

The drain problems were caused by the underground frame beneath the cover becoming cracked, possibly by the forces from cars or Sainz's Ferrari hitting it.

The bolts attaching the cover to the drain were intact and it was established no inspection would have found the problem before practice started.

All grands prix are subject to an FIA report after the event that identifies issues which arose and how they might be dealt with.

The context to this situation
The compliance report is the latest in a series of controversies surrounding Ben Sulaymen since he took office in December 2021.

Most recently, Ben Sulayem inserted himself into the controversy surrounding Red Bull team principal Christian Horner.

During last weekend's Bahrain Grand Prix, the FIA was under pressure from Mercedes and McLaren F1 bosses Toto Wolff and Zak Brown to look into the allegations of inappropriate behaviour against Horner, who has denied the claims.

The 50-year-old was the subject of an internal Red Bull inquiry. The company announced last week on the eve of first practice in Bahrain that the complaint had been "dismissed".

According to Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, after Red Bull's three-time champion Max Verstappen twice failed to give Horner unqualified backing in a news conference in Bahrain, Ben Sulayem approached the Dutchman and said he should publicly back his boss.

Verstappen, BBC Sport has been told, responded by saying Ben Sulayem should launch his own inquiry into the matter.

On the same day, Ben Sulayem posted on Instagram a photograph taken at the inauguration of the Bahrain track in 2004 of him sitting next to Prince Andrew. The post has since been deleted.

And during the off-season, the FIA launched a compliance inquiry into Mercedes team principal Wolff and his wife Susie on the basis of claims in a magazine of a conflict of interest.

The inquiry was withdrawn after just two days, following angry interventions from Mercedes, F1 and the other nine teams, who all said they had not made a complaint.

Insiders say that he and/or the FIA may yet face legal action over the intervention.

 

MBS and FOM have been at odds since the beginning. There used to be a deal between FOM and the FIA where the FIA got a small portion of FOM's profits. The courts nixed that, so that left the FIA without their major source of funding, from their own property, which Max Mosely leased to Bernie for 99 or 100 years at probably 1/10 of its actual value. FOM, otoh, wants control over errrrrthing. We saw that with the Andretti press release, where they tried to assume some control over sporting matters, which is the FIA's purview, per the courts. So that kinda gives some reasoning for where MBS is coming from. Add into the mix that a Saudi sovereign wealth fund is rumored to be in talks to buy FOM, and it all gets even more interesting imho. It also wouldn't surprise me if the FIA and MBS are angling to get the lease voided.

[wood 11121]

Jenna Fryer's really starting to sink her teeth into this F1 reporting thing. 

So, an inaccurate leak from a 'whistleblower'? Shocking.

 

Edited March 5 by wood

[TonyTexas 10481]

1 hour ago, faps said:

Ross Brawn had a team (for a season), time for a Newey team?

There’s a pretty good documentary on that subject that can be watched on Hulu and Disney+

[NoName 16286]

2 hours ago, faps said:

Ross Brawn had a team (for a season), time for a Newey team?

sorry - his application would be rejected since he would be an engine supplier and have to build 2 different cars under 2 different sets of regulations. most of the attempts to establish a new constructor in the last several decades have not been successful, plus adding an 11th team would not, in and of itself, provide value to the championship. maybe he could apply in 2026.

[NoName 16286]

just sharing this guy's link since his work has been posted to reddit and is incredible https://www.camojedaart.com/trackmaps

hand drawn versions of a number of tracks

 

 

 

[kevwun 15608]

It's amazing he does that with a pen.

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

I like the RB internet rumor that Max and Jos are pissed at LH’s new contract (Max is locked into his) and this is a way to break or negotiate a new deal. 

[Dutch 4465]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

sorry - his application would be rejected since he would be an engine supplier and have to build 2 different cars under 2 different sets of regulations. most of the attempts to establish a new constructor in the last several decades have not been successful, plus adding an 11th team would not, in and of itself, provide value to the championship. maybe he could apply in 2026.

Not to mention the most important point, being there’s no evidence a team run by Ross Brawn could be competitive. Can’t have another back-marker. 
 

Next!!!

[Goofyboy 3194]

I like the RB internet rumor that Max and Jos are pissed at LH’s new contract (Max is locked into his) and this is a way to break or negotiate a new deal. 

The other rumor is that the sectary Horner harassed maintains a relationship with Jos. Jos is also apparently banned from the RB garage for the next GP and maybe more

[utee94 15744]

If I didn't know better I'd be hopeful it would lead to turmoil and dysfunction and RBR losing momentum and losing races, but we just aren't that lucky.

[wood 11121]

4 hours ago, NoName said:

just sharing this guy's link since his work has been posted to reddit and is incredible https://www.camojedaart.com/trackmaps

hand drawn versions of a number of tracks

That's awesome. I have some big-ass (like 4' x 5' or whatever size those things come in) drawings of COTA that were given to me by a COTA guy back when it was still being built. They look a lot like that, just not as purty. /csb

ETA: I went and dug one of 'em out from behind the dresser.

 

Edited March 6 by wood

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

Browsing reddit today, I did not know that Max took Daniel Kiviat’s seat, then his mid thirties wife and is raising Kiviat’s kid????

[deft 6791]

Yup. Then told homegirls dad to say racist shit about Hamilton. Or something like that.

[utee94 15744]

Euros are racist AF.  They don't need any external promptings to say racist shit.

[NoName 16286]

17 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

Jos is also apparently banned from the RB garage for the next GP and maybe more

FYI this is bullshit, at least for the next race. he was always going to miss it because he's competing in some race somewhere else.

15 hours ago, wood said:

That's awesome. I have some big-ass (like 4' x 5' or whatever size those things come in) drawings of COTA that were given to me by a COTA guy back when it was still being built. They look a lot like that, just not as purty. /csb

ETA: I went and dug one of 'em out from behind the dresser.

 

those are genuinely awesome and you should 100% get them framed!

edit: actually, you should just mail them to me, i'll frame them and send them back - promise!

Edited March 6 by NoName

[NoName 16286]

9 hours ago, deft said:

Yup. Then told homegirls dad to say racist shit about Hamilton. Or something like that.

that was her father i believe

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/25/motorsport/nelson-piquet-lewis-hamilton-intl-spt/index.html

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hree-time Formula One champion Nelson Piquet was ordered to pay a fine of nearly $1 million (five million reais) in moral damages for racist and homophobic comments aimed at Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton, a court ruling published on Friday said.

“The Substitute Judge of the 20th Civil Court of Brasilia sentenced former Formula 1 driver Nelson Piquet Souto Maior to pay R$ 5 million in compensation for collective moral damages, to be allocated to funds for the promotion of racial equality and discrimination against the LGBTQIA+ community, due to the offenses made against current Formula 1 driver Lewis Hamilton,” the court statement said.

Piquet used a Brazilian Portuguese racial and homophobic slur during a TV interview in November 2021 to describe seven-time champion Hamilton when addressing a high-speed collision involving Hamilton and Max Verstappen during the Silverstone Grand Prix.

 

The clip became viral and drew a negative reaction towards Piquet, who later apologized for his remarks – a point also reinforced by the court statement.

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, utee94 said:

Euros are racist AF.  They don't need any external promptings to say racist shit.

Isn't Piquet Brazilian?

[Guest]

Just cancelled by F1TV subscription. I missed out on the new subscriber discount price and it's $85 a year now. Used the 7-day free trial to watch last week. March is a weird month when all my bills seem to come due (car insurance, home insurance, some big business expenses, etc.) so shelling out another hundred bucks gets tiresome.

Add in that they are racing in Saudi Arabia and the season starting out exactly how last year ended, and it seems tough to want to pay up. 

Maybe I'll add it back later in the year for cheaper. Ah, who am I kidding. I'll likely add it back before the race this weekend.

 

[PittsburghTiger 6137]

23 hours ago, wood said:

Yeah the timing of the MBS stuff coming out is very interesting. Two things dropping in two days? Very unlikely that's merely a coincidence imho. Kinda like the Lewis news dropping immediately after FOM's idiotic list of bullshit 'reasons' to deny Andretti entry.

Thought this was interesting ...

 

This is absolutely correct. For me, all I really remember of Jos is him becoming a human fireball on that one ill fated pit stop. Dude is worse than the worst football dad.

 

[PittsburghTiger 6137]

19 hours ago, wood said:

Jenna Fryer's really starting to sink her teeth into this F1 reporting thing. 

So, an inaccurate leak from a 'whistleblower'? Shocking.

 

She’s good. I think I met her once when she was much younger. It was her dad, if I remember correctly, who was one of the editors of the newspaper when I first started writing about racing.

[PittsburghTiger 6137]

15 hours ago, wood said:

That's awesome. I have some big-ass (like 4' x 5' or whatever size those things come in) drawings of COTA that were given to me by a COTA guy back when it was still being built. They look a lot like that, just not as purty. /csb

ETA: I went and dug one of 'em out from behind the dresser.

 

 

1 hour ago, NoName said:

FYI this is bullshit, at least for the next race. he was always going to miss it because he's competing in some race somewhere else.

those are genuinely awesome and you should 100% get them framed!

edit: actually, you should just mail them to me, i'll frame them and send them back - promise!

Yeah, what he said, minus the theft of your property part. Those are wicked cool.

[utee94 15744]

41 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Isn't Piquet Brazilian?

Euro... Brazilian... whatever it takes.

[PittsburghTiger 6137]

19 hours ago, kevwun said:

It's amazing he does that with a pen.

I always had trouble with even doing stick figures. My nephew, on the other hand could visit one airport, or see one ship and draw an incredibly intricate representation. It’s funny how that stuff works. 

[Guest]

16 hours ago, wood said:

That's awesome. I have some big-ass (like 4' x 5' or whatever size those things come in) drawings of COTA that were given to me by a COTA guy back when it was still being built. They look a lot like that, just not as purty. /csb

ETA: I went and dug one of 'em out from behind the dresser.

 

My favorite part is how there are no trees shown. 

[NoName 16286]

37 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

 

Yeah, what he said, minus the theft of your property part. Those are wicked cool.

its not theft...i'm just borrowing them for a very long time.

but seriously dude, they are fantastic.

Edited March 6 by NoName

[faps 806]

I have this pdf from long, long ago. Not as pretty as those roll plots above. But kinda cool to look around in.

COTA Layout.pdf

[wood 11121]

47 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

My favorite part is how there are no trees shown. 

Heh. Yep. Very accurate.

[wood 11121]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Just cancelled by F1TV subscription. I missed out on the new subscriber discount price and it's $85 a year now. Used the 7-day free trial to watch last week. March is a weird month when all my bills seem to come due (car insurance, home insurance, some big business expenses, etc.) so shelling out another hundred bucks gets tiresome.

Add in that they are racing in Saudi Arabia and the season starting out exactly how last year ended, and it seems tough to want to pay up. 

Maybe I'll add it back later in the year for cheaper. Ah, who am I kidding. I'll likely add it back before the race this weekend.

And then there's the whole Andretti fuckery, and trying to limit us to the same 10 teams from now into eternity.

[wood 11121]

1 hour ago, utee94 said:

Euro... Brazilian... whatever it takes.

I believe the precise terminology is "Brazilian. Brazilian and one. Whatever it takes".  : )

And yeah like you said, he's always said super-offensive shit.