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First of all please excuse my ignorance. Not sure if thus is the right form and I realize I am way late to the party but trying to find out how much were ground passes when they were first released for the up coming f1 race at cota? Trying it find 4 tickets to take my f1 obsessed daughter and family to the race. Don't want to pay an huge mark up and I know it is not cheap.  Wondering if it would be better to wait until next year? When do tickets usually go on sale?  Am I correct that with a grounds pass we would be sitting in the grassy areas around the track?  Any advice and help is appreciated. 

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First of all please excuse my ignorance. Not sure if thus is the right form and I realize I am way late to the party but trying to find out how much were ground passes when they were first released for the up coming f1 race at cota? Trying it find 4 tickets to take my f1 obsessed daughter and family to the race. Don't want to pay an huge mark up and I know it is not cheap.  Wondering if it would be better to wait until next year? When do tickets usually go on sale?  Am I correct that with a grounds pass we would be sitting in the grassy areas around the track?  Any advice and help is appreciated. 


Not sure how much they were when they were first released, but Costco had some not too long ago. Yes - general admission is the grass areas.

Advice: wear very comfortable shoes for walking. You will walk a lot. I’ll leave parking advice to others - just bring your patience. If you go all three days - watch the cars from different spots - especially Friday. Wear sunscreen.
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7 hours ago, CoachTex said:

First of all please excuse my ignorance. Not sure if thus is the right form and I realize I am way late to the party but trying to find out how much were ground passes when they were first released for the up coming f1 race at cota? Trying it find 4 tickets to take my f1 obsessed daughter and family to the race. Don't want to pay an huge mark up and I know it is not cheap.  Wondering if it would be better to wait until next year? When do tickets usually go on sale?  Am I correct that with a grounds pass we would be sitting in the grassy areas around the track?  Any advice and help is appreciated. 

Tickets go on sale in February and yes you are correct that you'd be sitting in grassy areas. The 3-day pass is sold through COTA and I don't think that is marked up.  There are some 1day GA passes on Ticketmaster that look like about $140 cheaper. Reserved seats look crazy right now. The cheapest ones in the $600 range (3day) are bad viewing angles.

If you decide to go, keep on mind that shade is almost non-existent, particularly in GA areas, so bring some portable shade.

Another idea that folks do is, instead of dropping a bunch of money at COTA, spend a little less on ticket prices and go to the race in Montreal.  That way for the money you also get a cool trip out of it.

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First of all please excuse my ignorance. Not sure if thus is the right form and I realize I am way late to the party but trying to find out how much were ground passes when they were first released for the up coming f1 race at cota? Trying it find 4 tickets to take my f1 obsessed daughter and family to the race. Don't want to pay an huge mark up and I know it is not cheap.  Wondering if it would be better to wait until next year? When do tickets usually go on sale?  Am I correct that with a grounds pass we would be sitting in the grassy areas around the track?  Any advice and help is appreciated. 

If you're gonna go all 3 days, then yeah, prepare thy anus. If Friday only would do it for you, then you can do that pretty inexpensively.

Don;t mess with Ticketmaster/COTA purchasing. You'll pay about 20% more in fees on top of the listed ticket price. Tickpick has Friday tickets right now starting at $18 all in.

Going Friday only is a great way to get a feel for F1, the atmosphere, see/hear/smell the cars, etc, and then you can just kick back for the rest of the weekend & watch on TV. It's cheap and the crowd & lines are much more  palatable, and it's a million times easier to follow the race on TV. With their shitty TVs and sound system, it's near impossible to follow the race at COTA.

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3 hours ago, MadTrapper said:

Another idea that folks do is, instead of dropping a bunch of money at COTA, spend a little less on ticket prices and go to the race in Montreal.  That way for the money you also get a cool trip out of it.

Yep. Actually a LOT less for Montreal ticket prices. Montreal is an extreme bargain compared to any of the US races. This year, Montreal had something like 6 different grandstands that were cheaper than a GA pass at COTA will be. And it's in Montreal, so it has that going for it. Which is nice.

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Going Friday only is a great way to get a feel for F1, the atmosphere, see/hear/smell the cars, etc, and then you can just kick back for the rest of the weekend & watch on TV. 

This is by far the best way to do USGP, unless you're rich.

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Also true. But you also get the old cars on Saturday. I don't know what they do on Friday. Never been.

You get Masters Historic, Masters Endurance, and Porsche Carrera Cup all three days this year. Both Masters categories have practices and qualifying sessions on Friday. The Porsches only have practice. Friday has the most hot track sessions of the three days (7).

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You get Masters Historic, Masters Endurance, and Porsche Carrera Cup all three days this year. All three have practices and qualifying sessions on Friday.

Then, yeah, a Friday is the way if you can swing it.

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Yep. Actually a LOT less for Montreal ticket prices. Montreal is an extreme bargain compared to any of the US races. This year, Montreal had something like 6 different grandstands that were cheaper than a GA pass at COTA will be. And it's in Montreal, so it has that going for it. Which is nice.

OK I know some people here went in the last few years...anyone mind sharing ballpark what they spent on it?

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Do I remember reading that ticket lines are such a shit show for race day that they eventually waive people in and ticket checkers don’t give a shit if you have a ticket or not? I haven’t been for a number a years and things have changed a lot. 

Has anyone just shown up on Sunday and figured it out on the fly? Angling for a random scalper or group of people trying to get rid of GA last second in person etc. 

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Friday is my favorite day, but I love all of it and wouldn't miss any of them.  We're not going to have F1 in my backyard forever, it gets less likely to continue here with each passing year, so I'll go as much as I can, while I still can.

 

 

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On 10/6/2024 at 6:56 PM, wood said:

Yep. Actually a LOT less for Montreal ticket prices. Montreal is an extreme bargain compared to any of the US races. This year, Montreal had something like 6 different grandstands that were cheaper than a GA pass at COTA will be. And it's in Montreal, so it has that going for it. Which is nice.

and the weather is probably very tolerable too? ive attended mid-late summer F1 races and have no desire to do that again.

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On 10/8/2024 at 7:09 AM, 52-80 said:

and the weather is probably very tolerable too? ive attended mid-late summer F1 races and have no desire to do that again.

Weather in Montreal is often cold (50s-60s) and rainy.  It's far better than a hot sweaty mess, though.

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It was cold and the rain hit one day and the day of the race was hot. Dress in layers and bring a good poncho.

Hot in Montreal is all relative.  It feels hot because you were cold when it was raining, but 70 degrees isn't hot.

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What’s behind Toyota’s return to Formula 1 with Haas – and how will it work?

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Haas have struck a deal that brings Toyota back into Formula 1 after a 15-year hiatus. F1 Correspondent Lawrence Barretto explains how and why the American squad have done it – and what’s in it for the returning Japanese manufacturer…

Haas have made a name for themselves as the smallest team on the grid and, this season, they have done an impressive job of punching well above their weight to sit P7 in the constructors’ championship – and with a genuine shot of snatching sixth from RB.

But the American team know that to do that more consistently – P7 would be their second-best finish in their so far nine-year history – they need to evolve their organisation in the most efficient and cost-effective way possible.

Bringing Toyota’s motorsport arm – Toyota Gazoo Racing (TGR) – onboard alongside partners Ferrari and Dallara, who have been with them since their inception in 2016, does just that.

Why are they partnering up?
When speaking on video call from Japan after announcing the news at Fuji International Speedway, Team Principal Ayao Komatsu admitted Haas are “lacking certain resources and hardware capabilities to understand certain things”. To ensure Haas remain competitive in the midfield consistently, he is “looking for someone to give us more resource and [who] also have the hardware and knowhow of that hardware”. In his view, TGR delivers on that.

Toyota have an impressive facility in Cologne in Germany. Currently, it’s home to the Japanese manufacturer’s World Endurance Championship team and the customer base for their European motorsport activities, which until last year included running a programme for McLaren to use their wind tunnel.

They have plenty of capacity to support new projects – and were keen to explore ways of working in F1 again. The Japanese manufacturer has been evaluating how it could reconnect with the sport for some time now – and began by doing a deal with McLaren that saw Le Mans 24 Hours winner Ryo Hirawaka joining their development programme, including their reserve pool.

Talks with Haas’s Komatsu about how they could potentially work together started ahead of the start of the season – and it soon became clear there were synergies in their respective goals.

“They are looking for the latest F1 know-how and skillset, which we have, but we don’t have their facilities, the number of people and their resource,” said Komatsu. “So, that’s how we are tapping into each other’s expertise.”

What impact will this have on Haas’s Ferrari relationship?
Komatsu wanted to stress Toyota will not reduce their relationship with Ferrari, who currently supply Haas with a multitude of parts, including the power unit and gearbox, while Haas have their own ring-fenced facility at the Italian team’s Maranello base.

“Our partnership with Toyota is not to replace our Ferrari partnership,” he said. “The Ferrari-Haas partnership is the foundation and it is always going to be the foundation. This partnership is not to take away from it but enhance that fundamental partnership with Ferrari.

“What we have with Ferrari, what we get from Ferrari, is amazing. It’s the foundation of Haas F1 Team. But there are areas Toyota can help us outside of that. We’ve been transparent with Ferrari management from the early stage of these discussions. There is a clear understanding of what engagement we have with TGR and how we will protect IP [intellectual property] of each company.”

So how will it work, then?
Haas and Toyota will begin their collaboration immediately, starting with next weekend’s United States Grand Prix in Austin, where TGR branding will be clearly visible on their cars.

And while commercially, this is understood to be a significant deal that runs into the tens of millions of dollars per year, it is so much more than that to both parties – and they both see the new relationship as a long-term project that has plenty of scope to grow.

To start with, the duo are kicking off a plan to build a simulator at Haas’s base in Banbury, UK. Currently, the American team use Ferrari’s state-of-the-art simulator in Italy as part of their deal – but its location has meant Haas haven’t been able to utilise it as much as they would like.

“We’ve had access to the Ferrari simulator in Maranello and yes we have been using it, but not in anger,” said Komatsu. “We use it for pre-season but during the season, what we can do in the Maranello sim is limited. We only have a limited number of trackside personnel. We have what we have trackside. I can’t ask the UK-based guys who do 24 races to also do 10 days in Italy. The location prevented us doing more.”

He added: “Without this partnership, it’s difficult for us to have a sim programme. TGR has the expertise in sim both for themselves and as a customer project – so they have hardware and expertise in all aspects of sim operation. So we will take advantage of that.”

By bringing Toyota onboard, they have a company who already has the hardware to build a simulator, and the expertise and people to run it. That will allow Haas to get such a project up and running much quicker – and at a reduced cost. It will still take time – and getting it ready and correlated by next year would be a stretch. But it would still be quicker and more efficient than trying to do it themselves.

What do Toyota get out of the Haas deal?
Toyota get to embed their people in the simulator programme, which in turn will help build their respective F1 knowledge and experience.

It’s also an opportunity for Toyota to help develop young Japanese drivers – which is a cornerstone of their company targets.

They have seen rival Honda come into F1 and not only become regular winners through their power unit but also successfully bring Japanese racing talent all the way through to F1, with Yuki Tsunoda now in his fourth season in the sport with the Red Bull family.

Toyota now have a pathway for their own Japanese talent – and can utilise the simulator programme to get them up to speed.

They will then combine this project with a Testing Previous Car (TPC) programme. This will be the first time Haas will have the ability to run two-year-old machinery in private testing.

This will allow Toyota to get their drivers in-car time that is invaluable in a prospective talent’s pursuit of trying to get to F1, while also being able to use their own engineers to work on the project and learn from the Haas engineers and mechanics who run their test team.

And what’s in it for Haas?
For Haas, the TPCs offer an opportunity for them to utilise Toyota talent, evaluate young drivers – including those from Toyota – and bring staff up to speed so that in the short-term, they have cover for the race team, and in the long-term there is a glidepath for bringing talent through.

“TPC is very important in terms of training personnel,” said Komatsu. “We have just over 300 people, we have no contingency in personnel, so if let’s say one race engineer, one performance engineer decides to leave or has a programme not to attend a race we are really struggling, on the limit all the time, and in order to improve the organisation you cannot be in that kind of survival stage as a baseline.

“We’ve got to build up our organisation, so through TPC we can start training our engineers, our mechanics, having back-up people there. Of course the budget cap makes it more complicated in a way that we’re going to do it as a timesheet – so people dealing with ‘heritage’, i.e. TPC, is outside the cap – but many of those people have to cross over to the race team and beyond a certain percentage we have to include them in the budget cap, so that detail, we need to do it correctly.

“But in terms of building up an organisation, having a contingency, having a capacity, younger people, for me TPC is the best environment, so Toyota young drivers will be driving our TPC cars.”

What does owner Gene Haas make of the arrangement?
Komatsu said it was “not difficult to convince Gene” Haas, the team’s owner, of the merits of partnering up with Toyota. A large chunk of the team’s budget comes from the American boss’s own pockets. As a result, he has always been keen to run his operation in the most cost-effective and efficient way. Bringing Toyota onboard, both in terms of financial benefit and expertise was, in Komatsu’s words, “a no-brainer”.

He added: “If you look at current financial regulations and the current landscape of the sport, even if we wanted to partner someone like this, you can’t find it. When I started talking to Kaji-San [Toyota’s motorsport boss Masaya Kaji], it was more an idea.

“The more we talked and understood each other’s objectives, the strengths and weaknesses, honestly it was the perfect match. So it wasn’t a difficult sell to Gene. To be cost effective, you’ve got to be time efficient. We have improved.

“Unless we take some other aspects of engineers in-house, which normally requires big investment, you cannot make a bigger step in terms of efficiency. With this investment with TGR we can make that leap very quickly. Gene is very engaged, he is always asking, ‘Ayao, what do we need to do to have a top-six consistent finish, and have a podium?’ So, no it was not difficult to convince Gene.”

What does all this mean for Dallara?
Dallara have been manufacturing Haas’s chassis since the American team entered the sport, but Toyota’s arrival has raised questions about how that relationship will continue in the future.

Komatsu said that Dallara are “an important partner” and called it “an important relationship” before adding that “in due course, we will discuss within which parameters [we] will work with Dallara and Toyota – but we will co-exist”.

What are Toyota’s ambitions regarding F1?
Toyota have been keen to stress that they currently have no plans for a full-scale return to Formula 1, adding to their eight-year stint in the sport that began in 2002 and yielded 13 podiums.

They insist they have no plans to create their own engine, with the pure focus of supporting on the aerodynamics side and using the project to build their employees’ knowledge and expertise in F1 while also finding a way to enhance their Japanese racing talent.

“We have no plan to have a team in Formula 1,” said Masaya Kaji. “At this moment, we have the best option – to collaborate with Haas.”

However, by doing a deal with such major scope, it’s clear Toyota have an interest in potentially expanding their footprint in Formula 1 in the future.

 

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I'm really glad for the fans that the weather is going to be moderate. But part of me was hoping for a record hot day because I'm tired of hearing F1 TV commenters describe the weather as "a blistering 29 degrees" [84 F] at other tracks, and I want them to feel some real heat.

 

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FIA acts for US GP on suspicions over front bib parc ferme trick

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Tech intrigue erupts ahead of the US GP over potential floor exploit

Growing suspicions of a cunning Formula 1 car ride height adjustment trick under parc ferme conditions has triggered an immediate FIA response from this weekend’s United States Grand Prix, Motorsport.com can reveal.

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-acts-for-us-gp-on-suspicions-over-front-bib-parc-ferme-trick/10663272/ 

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