Formula 1 2024

[wood 11702]

19 hours ago, Anton Chigurh said:

Pretty sure they’re testing during the daytime only, which is totally different conditions to when they qualify and race.

Also, the tires may be different. Basically, it’s hard to compare these times to anything from the race weekend.

Yep. Apparently only Pirelli knows who was on which of the 6 compounds tested. They also controlled tire pressures, stint length and fuel loads each car.
 

[Paper_jam 840]

Dumb question but I'll ask anyway: For tires, does Pirelli and/or F1 management deliberately design in a certain level or rate of tire degradation, to force the cars to pit somewhat often? I.e. Is Pirelli capable of making a tire that could last a whole race, but the tires are designed to wear out after a certain time, for competition reasons? 

Sometimes pit stops are the only interesting thing going on in a race, but on the other hand I hate to think that the tires are intentionally engineered to wear out faster than necessary.

 

[kevwun 16092]

They could definitely make one that would last the whole race, but I don't think the drivers would like it very much.  F1 wants teams to have to stop at least once though and they do it with tires instead of making them refuel.

Edited 20 hours ago by kevwun

[wood 11702]

3 hours ago, Paper_jam said:

Dumb question but I'll ask anyway: For tires, does Pirelli and/or F1 management deliberately design in a certain level or rate of tire degradation, to force the cars to pit somewhat often? I.e. Is Pirelli capable of making a tire that could last a whole race, but the tires are designed to wear out after a certain time, for competition reasons? 

Sometimes pit stops are the only interesting thing going on in a race, but on the other hand I hate to think that the tires are intentionally engineered to wear out faster than necessary.

They are. That's what F1 wanted and apparently still wants. There's a lot F1 could do even within that m.o. though that could make the racing more variable while reintroducing a 'push, push, push' mentality and getting rid of the ridiculous tire nursing. But I guess F1 is just too lazy for that these days. They'd rather just fuck around with stupid 'fixes' for shit that's not broken than find solutions for the things that are. Even when they do find productive solutions, they just ditch them within a year or so because a big team or two just can't get their heads around how to make it work and be quick at the same time, and then cry 'safety'.

Can Pirelli produce a race tire that performs well over at least half or even all of a race distance the way Michelin, Bridgestone, etc  have done with ease for decades? I don't know, but having owned some myself that were on a new car I bought, I have my doubts. Pirelli tires are ass, my dude. I'll never buy another tire not named Michelin, but if I had to, there are so many brands that are way ahead of Pirelli that they would never even be an option to consider, esp at such high prices.

Edited 18 hours ago by wood

[deft 6961]

Essentially we’re talking about a window of planned obsolescence. They should have the engineers behind Samsung ice makers make the tires for F1.

[VABuckeye 2478]

Tire degradation replaced refueling. 

[VABuckeye 2478]

5 hours ago, wood said:

I'll never buy another tire not named Michelin

I used to say the same but damned I love my Continental tires. High quality. 

Edited 13 hours ago by VABuckeye

[Superhero 8937]

3 hours ago, deft said:

Essentially we’re talking about a window of planned obsolescence. They should have the engineers behind Samsung ice makers make the tires for F1.

[Dutch 4527]

Valtteri starting the offseason in Cali with a 5-0 encounter.