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  On 12/26/2023 at 6:06 PM, thunderlounge said:


From all current appearances it looks like they’ve handled it as best they could. Never making such a statement publicly, or letting something slip out like that. Simply a note about him entering the portal, everybody wishes everyone well, and amicably part.  

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It's more of a dig at the current system where you have to make a decision before your team gets to the end of the season. Missing a meaningless bowl game? Who cares. Not be able to experience a national semifinal -- or title game -- with the guys you've spent the last several years with kind of sucks.

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That does suck. MM earned that right, playing or not. Maybe he still goes, but not suited up.

I do agree though, it’s a shitty position to put them in. But considering most semesters start right after, what can you do?

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This is Nicole Auerbach's analysis from Friday. I didn't see it here but I may not have gone back far enough.

edit - I guess it's worth pointing out that the ACC preemptively challenged FSU on jurisdiction, by filing suit last Thursday in North Carolina. The ACC's lawsuit in NC "argues that FSU is not allowed to challenge the grant of rights due to language in the agreement and because FSU signed it and benefitted from it for 10 years. The ACC also argues that jurisdiction for this decision is in North Carolina, where ACC business is handled."

The FSU suit seems like a roll of the dice...at least they'll get an answer though it's probably not going to be the answer they want.

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Florida State is a prime example of an entity without vision... Texas on the other hand... our leadership saw the writing on the wall, saddled up to the SEC knowing we could influence the future conference realignment madness from inside the SEC better than we could leading a marginal Power 5 in the Big 12.

FSU is just being reactionary.. They will never be part of the SEC nor the Big 10. Plus, going to a 12-team playoff next year, the solution has resolved itself. They'll leave the ACC and end up dateless... Out of the proverbial frying pan and into the fire. 

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  On 12/27/2023 at 2:22 PM, ChickenNuggets said:

Florida State is a prime example of an entity without vision... Texas on the other hand... our leadership saw the writing on the wall, saddled up to the SEC knowing we could influence the future conference realignment madness from inside the SEC better than we could leading a marginal Power 5 in the Big 12.

FSU is just being reactionary.. They will never be part of the SEC nor the Big 10. Plus, going to a 12-team playoff next year, the solution has resolved itself. They'll leave the ACC and end up dateless... Out of the proverbial frying pan and into the fire. 

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This is all theatre. Unless they find the magical loophole they are trying to find, they wont be leaving the ACC anytime soon. They just want to be able to say they really really tried to leave. 

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FSU has handled this poorly. The best way for them to handle it would have been to issue a statement that they are disappointed in the CFP committee's decision but will continue to build into next year, where the playoffs will expand and they will be able to get in with another season like the one they just had. 

 

To focus all this energy and effort into playing the victim and trying to reverse a decision that is impossible to reverse is a waste. Their school needs to officially move on from it and encourage the fans to do the same. People would respect that. People don't respect whining.

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  On 12/27/2023 at 2:34 PM, Pam Cummings said:
FSU has handled this poorly. The best way for them to handle it would have been to issue a statement that they are disappointed in the CFP committee's decision but will continue to build into next year, where the playoffs will expand and they will be able to get in with another season like the one they just had. 
 
To focus all this energy and effort into playing the victim and trying to reverse a decision that is impossible to reverse is a waste. Their school needs to officially move on from it and encourage the fans to do the same. People would respect that. People don't respect whining.
Also, no one gives a fuck anymore. It was a story for a day or 2 after it happened but most have moved on.
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  On 12/27/2023 at 2:34 PM, Pam Cummings said:

FSU has handled this poorly. The best way for them to handle it would have been to issue a statement that they are disappointed in the CFP committee's decision but will continue to build into next year, where the playoffs will expand and they will be able to get in with another season like the one they just had. 

 

To focus all this energy and effort into playing the victim and trying to reverse a decision that is impossible to reverse is a waste. Their school needs to officially move on from it and encourage the fans to do the same. People would respect that. People don't respect whining.

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Maybe don't look like absolute dogshit against Louisville. That shit was embarrassing, them pushing all this political crap after that performance is just silly.

 

 

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  On 12/27/2023 at 5:36 PM, Jersey Man10 said:

But, but…wHaT’s ThE pOiNt Of pLaYiNg ThE gAmEs ThEn?!?!

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Every single game has to matter 100%!!!!!!

 

This is a sentiment that ive never understood either. If you want to win the championship and you lose 2 games.....the rest of your games don't matter.

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Observations from Stuart Mandel: 

Florida State’s lawyers did not throw together that lawsuit overnight. They’ve been doing their due diligence for at least a year or longer. So, you might assume the school had some assurance of an attractive landing spot before opting to go scorched earth on its conference.

But to Jeremy’s point, I can’t imagine SEC commissioner Greg Sankey wants anything to do with FSU’s pot-stirring ways. He also doesn’t need the ‘Noles. He already has the flagship university in the state of Florida, along with a half-dozen other schools with as much or more brand cachet. The Big Ten makes more sense as a home for FSU since it has already shown it’s willing to bend all geographic barriers. Plus its main partner, Fox, currently has no presence in the Southeast. It’s also not currently facing an existential crisis in its business like ESPN.

But I believe FSU is mostly betting on itself and its ability to command value in whatever the next iteration of college football might look like. To that end, FSU has for some time been seeking a private equity partner to fund this whole endeavor. In the meantime, the school is making its relationship with the ACC untenable to the point where the league may soon have no choice but to negotiate some sort of reduced-fee exit.

If/when that day comes, I see one of three scenarios happening:

  1. The Big Ten comes calling. Fox — less streaming-dependent than ESPN — happily writes the check.
  2. FSU brings along Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, etc., and forms a new football conference that, by stripping out the bottom half, commands more dollars per school than the current ACC.
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Mandel is a dumbass. The FOX angle is obvious, so good job finding the broadside of that barn of a take, but his second point is asinine.

Let’s go with his thought that FSU was to re-make a tighter ACC with a more football focus…they’d basically just cut out Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia, Duke, Wake Forest and the new guys and let even go further and assume they pull a rabbit out of their ass and add West Virginia (best team East of the Mississippi not named ND and not in the SEC/B1G) in this scenario as well.

This would be FSU’s schedule each year: Louisville, Pitt, WVU, VT, UNC, NCSU, Clemson, GT, Miami, and Florida

Does that really move the needle for anyone?

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A settlement will be reached. They are valuable to B1G and costly to SEC if in B1G and will therefore end up in one of those two leagues. What we don't know: how long to reach a deal, final cost of deal, B1G versus SEC, year starting in new league.

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  On 12/29/2023 at 4:01 AM, TKthunder2 said:

Mandel is a dumbass. The FOX angle is obvious, so good job finding the broadside of that barn of a take, but his second point is asinine.

Let’s go with his thought that FSU was to re-make a tighter ACC with a more football focus…they’d basically just cut out Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia, Duke, Wake Forest and the new guys and let even go further and assume they pull a rabbit out of their ass and add West Virginia (best team East of the Mississippi not named ND and not in the SEC/B1G) in this scenario as well.

This would be FSU’s schedule each year: Louisville, Pitt, WVU, VT, UNC, NCSU, Clemson, GT, Miami, and Florida

Does that really move the needle for anyone?

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Doesn't have to move the needle. Win the ACC next year, and every year going forward, and they are in the 12 team playoff.

Throwing a tantrum over an already expired system is what doesn’t move the needle.

And FSU beats Georgia and they might be have a claim to the national title. Instead most of their team opted out and they are likely to gey crushed. Does that move any needles? Quitting like bitches when you have something to play for?

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  On 12/29/2023 at 3:25 PM, Valmy77 said:

Doesn't have to move the needle. Win the ACC next year, and every year going forward, and they are in the 12 team playoff.

Throwing a tantrum over an already expired system is what doesn’t move the needle.

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It’s not about the playoffs (like you said that system is done), it’s about TV money. Does that lineup of team get them anymore money? The answer is not really. It may be better in the margins but they are still not going to get a SEC/B1G level payday with that cast.

Less money = fewer elite recruits

Fewer elite recruits means it’s hard to compete at the elite level with the other helmet schools. Making the playoffs doesn’t mean much if you never make it out of the first/second round. Just ask Dallas Cowboy fans.

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A) Correct if there is a complaint it's with Bama not Texas 

B) Do they think any Texas fans will come to the defense of OUsux?

C) Did he was the ACC championship game? 

D) No body cares.

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Lulz at fsu talking shit about a team looking like shit with a true freshman QB who hadn't really played all year...in short, that was NOT the same ou team we lost to, just as your team sucks ass without Travis.

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  On 12/28/2023 at 9:16 PM, TreatyOak said:

Observations from Stuart Mandel: 

If/when that day comes, I see one of three scenarios happening:

  1. The Big Ten comes calling. Fox — less streaming-dependent than ESPN — happily writes the check.
  2. FSU brings along Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, etc., and forms a new football conference that, by stripping out the bottom half, commands more dollars per school than the current ACC.
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Bud Elliott and Kanell are going to be fun on Tuesday if Texas and Bama win. 

It'll be a lot of well we were right at the time. Undefeated Power 5 champion, blah, blah, blah. Team was crushed they didn't make the playoffs. The committee did this to them not Georgia. 

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Bud Elliott going with opt out excuse and live updating the depth chart. 

Yep, Georgia didn't have any opt outs or transfers. Obviously playing at full strength given the score. 

Everybody comes from somewhere, but Kanell and Elliott are fans. They have shown zero interest in ever being impartial about Florida State. 

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  On 12/31/2023 at 12:00 AM, billfromlaketravis said:
What a bitch. Kanell going with the FSU didn't want to be there + timeless classic "the bowl system is broken" + humble bragging on his mountain mansion. 
 

Sure, Daniel. We all believe that if FSU were somehow winning this game you would be reminding us that this is a meaningless scrimmage
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  On 12/31/2023 at 12:23 AM, billfromlaketravis said:

This should take the bloom off of Norvell's rose. 

Sonny Dykes is a good coach ... but he lost to Georiga by 58 points. 

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FIFY

 

I wouldn’t crown him a good coach just yet. Patterson and TCU always run in cycles. They fired him just before they were scheduled to hit their peak and Dykes took over and rode that experienced team Gary built to a title game. People said Aranda was a “good” coach after 2021 as well…

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This “glorified scrimmage” narrative is so goddamn stupid. Guess what - good teams beat the shit out of bad teams in scrimmages too. Good teams don’t get their ass beat by 9(!!) touchdowns in scrimmages. FSU didn’t belong, especially after losing their best player. Tough pill to swallow but it is what it is.

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I hope when the bowl contracts get reworked, CBS picks up more bowls and tells Danny to shut the fuck up.

It’s easy to shoot hot takes from the hip when CBS’ best bowl is the Sun Bowl. 
 

ESPN would publicly execute Danny for that take if he was in their employ. 

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