Cloak Room Sucks

[Incredulity 11571]

cloak room denziens should reflect on the preceding post.

Edited November 4 by Incredulity
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[Serak The Preparer 3430]

9 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

cloak room denziens should reflect on the preceding post.

[Derka 6046]

5 hours ago, Serak The Preparer said:

 

[Brian Fantana 6674]

7 hours ago, Incredulity said:

cloak room denziens should reflect on the preceding post.

So he's saying his CR experience is much more pleasant than his Football board experience and that's.....bad?

I mean, I understand why you have a bad CR experience, but you're not making the point you think you are, champ.

[Incredulity 11571]

24 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I mean, I understand why you have a bad CR experience, but you're not making the point you think you are, champ

Sure thing cupcake

[Hefeweizen 5307]

What is a denzien?? Sounds kinky.

[Annie_Tobak 130]

The Cloak Room is interesting because, as obviously witnessed last night with the resounding rout and the people speaking (e.g. winning every swing state, popular vote, both the house & senate, etc.), it is very clearly an echo chamber of a minority opinion.

I’ll go further, it’s an echo chamber of a minority opinion (macro/US) in a minority opinion (micro/Texas).

The “danger” in cultivating an echo chamber of an echo chamber, and drowning out and actively running off any counter beliefs and opinions, is that you become completely tone deaf to reality.

Anyone who is in some form or fashion “shocked” or “at a loss” should reflect on their political consumption and take a couple of steps back to look at the bigger picture as America has spoken. Loudly and in a complete beatdown.

You don’t have to like it, but you oughta try and figure out why. And “because the majority of voting Americans are garbage human beings” is just going to keep you confused, if you somehow draw that as the lesson from all this, IMHO.

[aggie08 21463]

5 hours ago, Annie_Tobak said:

I’ll go further, it’s an echo chamber of a minority opinion (macro/US) in a minority opinion (micro/Texas).

There's obviously some truth in what you wrote--being out of touch with the non-college educated working class and Latinos, for starters--but I'm not sure anyone was truly shocked about the loss. Rather, the nature of the loss, the rout, was completely unexpected by all, I'd assume even to you.

But spare us the minority of a minority opinion bullshit. You've now definitively held the national majority opinion for exactly one day in 16 years.

[immamac 42742]

5 hours ago, Annie_Tobak said:

The Cloak Room is interesting because, as obviously witnessed last night with the resounding rout and the people speaking (e.g. winning every swing state, popular vote, both the house & senate, etc.), it is very clearly an echo chamber of a minority opinion.

I’ll go further, it’s an echo chamber of a minority opinion (macro/US) in a minority opinion (micro/Texas).

The “danger” in cultivating an echo chamber of an echo chamber, and drowning out and actively running off any counter beliefs and opinions, is that you become completely tone deaf to reality.

Anyone who is in some form or fashion “shocked” or “at a loss” should reflect on their political consumption and take a couple of steps back to look at the bigger picture as America has spoken. Loudly and in a complete beatdown.

You don’t have to like it, but you oughta try and figure out why. And “because the majority of voting Americans are garbage human beings” is just going to keep you confused, if you somehow draw that as the lesson from all this, IMHO.

I'm neither of those things. We all didn't know shit about fuck. Sign up top should have told you. 

I agree that people that are having the incredulous reaction and forecasting certain doom are a beating, those are outliers. Most people are critical thinkers who are bummed that the American populace chose fear, hate and greed. I don't think that's something to be proud of. I want it to work because I want America to get better than it already is. 

[Hank Scorpio 17725]

A college football message board being an echo chamber?! Someone call the police! 

[closetohumping 17418]

Couple bros begging for fatwa

[Annie_Tobak 130]

43 minutes ago, immamac said:

I'm neither of those things. We all didn't know shit about fuck. Sign up top should have told you. 

I agree that people that are having the incredulous reaction and forecasting certain doom are a beating, those are outliers. Most people are critical thinkers who are bummed that the American populace chose fear, hate and greed. I don't think that's something to be proud of. I want it to work because I want America to get better than it already is. 

But that's what I'm saying. Something is fundamentally broken when the majority of the electorate does not feel like it's fear, hate or greed, but about another half does. 

[aggie08 21463]

6 minutes ago, Annie_Tobak said:

But that's what I'm saying. Something is fundamentally broken when the majority of the electorate does not feel like it's fear, hate or greed, but about another half does. 

That's fine. I'll absolutely do some introspection and already have been. In the meantime, would you do the same and attempt to emphasize with a whole lot of communities--in this country and others--who absolutely feel a sense of fear and dread today and ask yourself why that might be? Is something also fundamentally broken that their fears of being punched down on are unfounded?

You can dunk on us--largely affluent, educated class--all you want, and you should. We'll be fine. But I'm certain that you know people from a marginalized community or a disillusioned woman who feels pretty lost right about now.

[Willfully Horn 7956]

Race to the bottom. Ready? Go!

[Captainant 27530]

4 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Yes. When they go to those lengths, anyone can be a criminal.  I’m sure Jack Smith if indicted in Amarillo or Midland for just about anything would be convicted.  We may well find out.  Payback is going to be a bitch.  

It's wild seeing the fascists take the mask off in real time 

[statsman 5440]

6 hours ago, immamac said:

 

Edited November 7 by statsman
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[PenelopeWitherspoon 19098]

12 hours ago, Annie_Tobak said:

The Cloak Room is interesting because, as obviously witnessed last night with the resounding rout and the people speaking (e.g. winning every swing state, popular vote, both the house & senate, etc.), it is very clearly an echo chamber of a minority opinion.

I’ll go further, it’s an echo chamber of a minority opinion (macro/US) in a minority opinion (micro/Texas).

The “danger” in cultivating an echo chamber of an echo chamber, and drowning out and actively running off any counter beliefs and opinions, is that you become completely tone deaf to reality.

Anyone who is in some form or fashion “shocked” or “at a loss” should reflect on their political consumption and take a couple of steps back to look at the bigger picture as America has spoken. Loudly and in a complete beatdown.

You don’t have to like it, but you oughta try and figure out why. And “because the majority of voting Americans are garbage human beings” is just going to keep you confused, if you somehow draw that as the lesson from all this, IMHO.

 

5 hours ago, Annie_Tobak said:

But that's what I'm saying. Something is fundamentally broken when the majority of the electorate does not feel like it's fear, hate or greed, but about another half does. 

The majority of Americans who voted, voted for a rapist and a felon. Someone completely unqualified and unfit to be president of the United States in both intelligence and temperment. Given the racial slurs, misogyny, and hate towards people that are not "Christian," I am totally ok with saying that those that voted for Donald Trump are garbage human beings.

Edited November 7 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19098]

And the new immortal13 user name @HellesBier has just opined that everyone that does not or cannot has kids are bottom feeders, do nothing for society, and would have been enslaved by the Greeks.  What a delight he is.

[HellesBier 188]

2 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

And the new immortal13 user name @HellesBier has just opined that everyone that does not or cannot has kids are bottom feeders, do nothing for society, and would have been enslaved by the Greeks.  What a delight he is.

Haha. Whiny fucking coward.

Edited November 7 by HellesBier

[Covri 6236]

Lots of dudes been hiding on the DT forum waiting for this night for years in the CR, but I’m still a bit surprised how hard they are going in on the personal attacks without repercussions. 

Trump winning really gave assholes a pass to be assholes everywhere once again. 

 

[closetohumping 17418]

1 minute ago, Covri said:

Lots of dudes been hiding on the DT forum waiting for this night for years in the CR, but I’m still a bit surprised how hard they are going in on the personal attacks without repercussions. 

Trump winning really gave assholes a pass to be assholes everywhere once again. 

 

Yep.  I rarely neg people but two guys are going way overboard

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19098]

Just now, closetohumping said:

Yep.  I rarely neg people but two guys are going way overboard

I eventually have put most of the trolls on ignore. Frank Drebin (aka Johnny Sack) was doing all that while he was at his daughter's tumbling class. Seems like a swell guy to me.

[tx 3 putt 76651]

1 hour ago, Covri said:

Lots of dudes been hiding on the DT forum waiting for this night for years in the CR, but I’m still a bit surprised how hard they are going in on the personal attacks without repercussions. 

Trump winning really gave assholes a pass to be assholes everywhere once again. 

 

 

only 4 more years of this 

[Annie_Tobak 130]

2 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 

The majority of Americans who voted, voted for a rapist and a felon. Someone completely unqualified and unfit to be president of the United States in both intelligence and temperment. Given the racial slurs, misogyny, and hate towards people that are not "Christian," I am totally ok with saying that those that voted for Donald Trump are garbage human beings.

This feels extremely Latin American / South American.

Where else have we seen leaders get deposed or lose elections, face legal consequences (and even sometimes exile), only to be brought back with a hero's welcome after unpopular leaders who follow fail to energize or please the populace? We saw it in Brazil recently if memory serves and I think it's happened in Nepal recently as well.

Lastly, just a comment about President Elect Trump being a rapist and felon. I get why people want to emphasize and repeat the epithets of "rapist" and "felon". Felon is 100% factually true. Rapist too.

But the majority of Americans view Trump's title as a rapist as a bit of revisionist history with the modern interpretation of the word rape (e.g. power dynamics, not stopping at no's, non-consensual or murky, anything except explicit consent) versus like a Cosby or Mike Tyson definition. I think there are a lot of people that a) don't believe he even did it and b) don't understand it as rape, so the name-calling gets mentally dismissed.

With "Felon" it's as simple as, so what? You can become a felon for a myriad of different reasons, whether it be "good trouble" or "witch hunts" to borrow a phrase from each party to justify illegal behaviors. Most Americans who vote for Trump either ardently view it as persecution or hand-wave it away as "breaking eggs to make omelettes" and a cost of the messy business of politics to continue to fight for the people.

These are the reasons why I think the majority could elect a rapist and felon.

[Slacks 6807]

Y'all some hoes.

 

[mchookem 16280]

2 hours ago, Covri said:

Lots of dudes been hiding on the DT forum waiting for this night for years in the CR, but I’m still a bit surprised how hard they are going in on the personal attacks without repercussions. 

Trump winning really gave assholes a pass to be assholes everywhere once again. 

 

right? it's really making the Cloak Room suck.

[Captainant 27530]

5 hours ago, Annie_Tobak said:

This feels extremely Latin American / South American.

Where else have we seen leaders get deposed or lose elections, face legal consequences (and even sometimes exile), only to be brought back with a hero's welcome after unpopular leaders who follow fail to energize or please the populace? We saw it in Brazil recently if memory serves and I think it's happened in Nepal recently as well.

Lastly, just a comment about President Elect Trump being a rapist and felon. I get why people want to emphasize and repeat the epithets of "rapist" and "felon". Felon is 100% factually true. Rapist too.

But the majority of Americans view Trump's title as a rapist as a bit of revisionist history with the modern interpretation of the word rape (e.g. power dynamics, not stopping at no's, non-consensual or murky, anything except explicit consent) versus like a Cosby or Mike Tyson definition. I think there are a lot of people that a) don't believe he even did it and b) don't understand it as rape, so the name-calling gets mentally dismissed.

With "Felon" it's as simple as, so what? You can become a felon for a myriad of different reasons, whether it be "good trouble" or "witch hunts" to borrow a phrase from each party to justify illegal behaviors. Most Americans who vote for Trump either ardently view it as persecution or hand-wave it away as "breaking eggs to make omelettes" and a cost of the messy business of politics to continue to fight for the people.

These are the reasons why I think the majority could elect a rapist and felon.

Now do the explanation with pedophilia

https://www.thedailybeast.com/listen-to-the-jeffrey-epstein-tapes-i-was-donald-trumps-closest-friend/

 

Edited November 7 by Captainant

[Dbeasy 15013]

14 hours ago, Annie_Tobak said:

But that's what I'm saying. Something is fundamentally broken when the majority of the electorate does not feel like it's fear, hate or greed, but about another half does. 

 

6 hours ago, Annie_Tobak said:

This feels extremely Latin American / South American.

Where else have we seen leaders get deposed or lose elections, face legal consequences (and even sometimes exile), only to be brought back with a hero's welcome after unpopular leaders who follow fail to energize or please the populace? We saw it in Brazil recently if memory serves and I think it's happened in Nepal recently as well.

Lastly, just a comment about President Elect Trump being a rapist and felon. I get why people want to emphasize and repeat the epithets of "rapist" and "felon". Felon is 100% factually true. Rapist too.

But the majority of Americans view Trump's title as a rapist as a bit of revisionist history with the modern interpretation of the word rape (e.g. power dynamics, not stopping at no's, non-consensual or murky, anything except explicit consent) versus like a Cosby or Mike Tyson definition. I think there are a lot of people that a) don't believe he even did it and b) don't understand it as rape, so the name-calling gets mentally dismissed.

With "Felon" it's as simple as, so what? You can become a felon for a myriad of different reasons, whether it be "good trouble" or "witch hunts" to borrow a phrase from each party to justify illegal behaviors. Most Americans who vote for Trump either ardently view it as persecution or hand-wave it away as "breaking eggs to make omelettes" and a cost of the messy business of politics to continue to fight for the people.

These are the reasons why I think the majority could elect a rapist and felon.

I was shocked that half the country chose to vote for Trump. I’ve spent the last 24 hours re-examining my own thought processes and information sources to really understand whether, as you say, I’ve been in an echo chamber and/or been interpreting information in a biased way. I concluded that while in a few cases I’ve assumed the worse about Trump in particular situations, in general the evidence is so overwhelming about his being unfit for office that there’s no way he should have been elected. The list of reasons is 20+ deep. You can dismiss a few, but not 20.  

I see your justifications for two of the 20+ reasons. I appreciate you answering those questions head-on. Most right leaning cloak room posters just duck tough questions, making them not credible. 

I’m guessing you will have a response/reason for the other 18 reasons why he’s unfit for office. But at some point, when the list is 20 deep, shouldn’t you also be looking at yourself and the half that voted Trump and ask yourselves whether you’ve all become victims of disinformation? Disinformation is extremely powerful. We see it all the time in social media and with organizations like Scientology.

Isnt it possible that instead of the cloak room being an echo chamber it is a place where the smartest people who haven’t been victims of disinformation choose to converse? And I’m not talking about differences of opinion on the political spectrum. For example, I’m independent and do not support many of the far left 
policies that some in that thread support. But we are all able to agree on facts. And the facts are that there are 20 reasons why Trump is unfit for office. 

The answer to all of this may simply be that half the country is in “Scientology” and doesn’t even realize it because the purveyors of disinformation are that good (Republican Party, Russia). 
 

[statsman 5440]

I’m going to try this again. 
 
The truth isn’t always your friend, but you shouldn’t let the truth be your enemy. Here is the truth. 
 
Trump is not popular or liked by more than 48% of the electorate, on his best day. That was also true on Tuesday. A few million voters that disliked Trump voted for him. A few million voters that voted against him in 2020 voted for him in 2024. Why? I have a guess. 
 
The main Dem argument was that Trump is disqualified, for many reasons, but primarily for what he did on January 6, 2021. That is a really great argument. Does it follow that the opponent must be elected? Yes, to quite a few, but not all. A tiny percent of the electorate (you can play the game of counting the deltas in the swing states and come to a conclusion that their election was swung by a few tenths of one percent of the voters) decided it in Trump’s favor. 
 
I contend that the Dem strategy error was not working enough to follow up “Trump is disqualified” with enough “Harris administration will do this and this, and stop that”. Instead, she pointedly refused to separate from the Biden administration in any meaningful way. 
 
You can argue that was unnecessary. It was unnecessary, for a huge chunk of voters, but not quite enough. Counterfactual- what would the campaign theme and strategy for the Dems have been if the assassin had been successful and the GOP had put DeSantis at the top of the ticket? It would have been something other than “Trump is a fascist”, right? Where was that policy-based campaign, with Trump as opposition? Isn’t that basic blocking and tackling?

Here is what will happen. I am 99.99% sure that the GOP will believe (or act as if they believe) that they have a mandate and start ramming through controversial stuff. That will be an error. They don’t have a mandate. Trump’s “honeymoon” will last as long as that of a retread coach of the NY Jets. None of my conservative friends will listen, but Trump is not popular. His administration will almost certainly overstep (I can not imagine a scenario where he doesn’t). 
 
And then the real politics can start up again. 

[Anastasis 23413]

51 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Isnt it possible that instead of the cloak room being an echo chamber it is a place where the smartest people who haven’t been victims of disinformation choose to converse?

The CR itself is full of misinformation, the primary particular conduit of which is twitter embeds. 

[Dbeasy 15013]

12 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The CR itself is full of misinformation, the primary particular conduit of which is twitter embeds. 

There is some truth to this. I see biased Twitter sources quoted. But disinformation could still have fooled half the country into voting Trump. 100% of us are victims of disinformation. The key is how often and how much? My argument is that half the country has been fooled by orders of magnitude more than than educated voters. And educated voters isn’t the full other half. A chunk of the Democrat voters have also been significantly influenced by disinformation. 

There is a set of verifiable facts that can be understood. And those that understand those facts are certain he is unfit. 

[TwiceHorn 31379]

39 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

There is some truth to this. I see biased Twitter sources quoted. But disinformation could still have fooled half the country into voting Trump. 100% of us are victims of disinformation. The key is how often and how much? My argument is that half the country has been fooled by orders of magnitude more than than educated voters. And educated voters isn’t the full other half. A chunk of the Democrat voters have also been significantly influenced by disinformation. 

There is a set of verifiable facts that can be understood. And those that understand those facts are certain he is unfit. 

The majority of misinformed twitter posts in CR are called as such almost immediately.

And, yeah I suppose CR could be called an echo chamber; it's an echo chamber of college-educated and informed people.

[G650 14147]

11 hours ago, Covri said:

Lots of dudes been hiding on the DT forum waiting for this night for years in the CR, but I’m still a bit surprised how hard they are going in on the personal attacks without repercussions. 

Trump winning really gave assholes a pass to be assholes everywhere once again. 

 

 

Cockroaches

[WinningIsHard 4020]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

The majority of misinformed twitter posts in CR are called as such almost immediately.

And, yeah I suppose CR could be called an echo chamber; it's an echo chamber of college-educated and informed people.

There's a huge portion of America that isn't college educated, calling those people pieces of shit for being who they are and voting for the information they process is exactly why the democrats are where they are today. Out of touch a tad. Trump got that many latino votes because they are all stupid pieces of shit? That's certainly a strong opinion that sounds more like the party you hate than the one you love. I'm conservative and just as baffled by these results as the rest of you. The idea that we are about to become nazi germany, do away with our democracy, and deport anybody/everybody brown is ridiculous. I don't wish ill will on anybody, and it breaks my heart that people are tying bad judgement or bad people in with Christianity. I am a Christian and I am deeply flawed, the Christian doctrine is not. I am. People are evil, manipulative, callous, sociopathic, but that's not because they are Christians. That's because they are human. I think I went off on a tangent there for a second so sorry about that. 

[Captainant 27530]

43 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

The idea that we are about to become nazi germany, do away with our democracy, and deport anybody/everybody brown is ridiculous.

People have that idea because it's come directly from trump's mouth:

• Trump would revoke TPS for people so that he can send those cat and dog eaters back to "their country"
• Trump wants to be a dictator on day one
• His ACTUAL REAL DEPORTATION PLAN is to deploy armed federal officers across the country to hunt people down and deport them. He plans to invoke the Alient Enemies Act of 1798 to do so.
• He describes his political opponents as the "enemy within" and advocates for the military to handle them.

 

I don't know what to tell you if you think I'm just being alarmist. That's all real shit that's happening, and it's just the few things I had links handy for. It's going to get so so bad, and we're going to be told to not believe our lying eyes.

[WinningIsHard 4020]

11 minutes ago, Captainant said:

People have that idea because it's come directly from trump's mouth:

• Trump would revoke TPS for people so that he can send those cat and dog eaters back to "their country"
• Trump wants to be a dictator on day one
• His ACTUAL REAL DEPORTATION PLAN is to deploy armed federal officers across the country to hunt people down and deport them. He plans to invoke the Alient Enemies Act of 1798 to do so.
• He describes his political opponents as the "enemy within" and advocates for the military to handle them.

 

I don't know what to tell you if you think I'm just being alarmist. That's all real shit that's happening, and it's just the few things I had links handy for. It's going to get so so bad, and we're going to be told to not believe our lying eyes.

“We love this guy,” Trump said of Hannity. “He says, ‘You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’ I said: ‘No, no, no, other than day one. We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.’”

Trump has a long history of making inflammatory proclamations that spark outrage from detractors and generate a stream of headlines, without ever coming to fruition.

But thanks to outside resistance, internal opposition, sanctuary policies, legal guardrails, and sheer ineptitude, the Trump administration removed fewer than 1 million people from the country—far behind the number Barack Obama deported during his first four years in office.

 

 

He might be mouthy which causes a lot of people to get enraged over their president not speaking with any sort of couth but if those two sentences scare you that he's the next Hitler then I can't help you. Closing the borders and drilling like a dictator are stupid but harmless comments. Obama deported more people than Trump LOL. That video interview is the same silly stuff he said before the first election and he didn't do anything to obama/clinton/biden. I think you are just really worked up and I can understand that. 

[threesheets 1665]

Yeah to your point @WinningIsHard, if I had to bet I'd say it's just going to be four more years of golfing and grifting. Amazing that we're at a point where that's what people are hoping for.

Edited November 7 by threesheets

[Annie_Tobak 130]

46 minutes ago, threesheets said:

Yeah to your point @WinningIsHard, if I had to bet I'd say it's just going to be four more years of golfing and grifting. Amazing that we're at a point where that's what people are hoping for.

That tells me the "progress" is not progress Americans want to make then, if they want someone to golf and putz around and be an entertainer rather than a change agent.

And it makes sense for the upper middle and upper class to want this-- Goldman Sachs, JPMC, Evercore, Blackrock, all the money makers and aspiring money makers have long said-- a gridlock in the government is best. It gives the invisible hand of capitalism to work.

The risk and problem though, is that America has given the President a mandate. That's scary. That's the opposite of the gridlock desired.

And yea, the lower class want a provocative, disruptive animal to champion them and make them feel better about being poor and a loss of privilege. But those guys were voting Trump in the SEC states anyways. That's not the Blue Wall that fell. That's not the latinos and that's not AZ/NV.

Edited November 7 by Annie_Tobak

[Celery Man 20919]

Oh great it’s animal tobacco

[Annie_Tobak 130]

5 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

 

I was shocked that half the country chose to vote for Trump. I’ve spent the last 24 hours re-examining my own thought processes and information sources to really understand whether, as you say, I’ve been in an echo chamber and/or been interpreting information in a biased way. I concluded that while in a few cases I’ve assumed the worse about Trump in particular situations, in general the evidence is so overwhelming about his being unfit for office that there’s no way he should have been elected. The list of reasons is 20+ deep. You can dismiss a few, but not 20.  

I see your justifications for two of the 20+ reasons. I appreciate you answering those questions head-on. Most right leaning cloak room posters just duck tough questions, making them not credible. 

I’m guessing you will have a response/reason for the other 18 reasons why he’s unfit for office. But at some point, when the list is 20 deep, shouldn’t you also be looking at yourself and the half that voted Trump and ask yourselves whether you’ve all become victims of disinformation? Disinformation is extremely powerful. We see it all the time in social media and with organizations like Scientology.

Isnt it possible that instead of the cloak room being an echo chamber it is a place where the smartest people who haven’t been victims of disinformation choose to converse? And I’m not talking about differences of opinion on the political spectrum. For example, I’m independent and do not support many of the far left 
policies that some in that thread support. But we are all able to agree on facts. And the facts are that there are 20 reasons why Trump is unfit for office. 

The answer to all of this may simply be that half the country is in “Scientology” and doesn’t even realize it because the purveyors of disinformation are that good (Republican Party, Russia). 
 

I think the answer you are looking for is a different "-ology". It's epistemology.

Echo chambers are epistemic tribes. Evolutionarily and socially this has mostly been a good thing. The tribe can anchor around moral or ethical epistemic referents (e.g. God is Good all the time, etc)

The problem with echo chambers (or specifically surly's cloakroom) is that the ethical or moral groundings-- the literal aximoatic groundings-- are a winner take-all. Either you believe this XYZ or you are out. You see it in multiple forms from the basis of the classic "If you aren't part of [my] solution, you are part of [the] problem":

Cloak Room flavors:

"If you don't believe all cops are bastards, you are part of the problem"

"If you vote for Trump, you are a Nazi/Fascist"

"[Progressive Position] is a natural right and if you disagree you are hateful and an enemy"

All this to say, there is definitely an identity of the Cloak Room and an echo chamber. And it's one that, in 2024, was at a risk of not seeing the bigger, broader picture until the collective shoulders were shaken to it.

[Dbeasy 15013]

3 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

There's a huge portion of America that isn't college educated, calling those people pieces of shit for being who they are and voting for the information they process is exactly why the democrats are where they are today. Out of touch a tad. Trump got that many latino votes because they are all stupid pieces of shit? That's certainly a strong opinion that sounds more like the party you hate than the one you love. I'm conservative and just as baffled by these results as the rest of you. The idea that we are about to become nazi germany, do away with our democracy, and deport anybody/everybody brown is ridiculous. I don't wish ill will on anybody, and it breaks my heart that people are tying bad judgement or bad people in with Christianity. I am a Christian and I am deeply flawed, the Christian doctrine is not. I am. People are evil, manipulative, callous, sociopathic, but that's not because they are Christians. That's because they are human. I think I went off on a tangent there for a second so sorry about that. 

So the Republican party and President-Elect says nutty stuff on a daily basis multiple times a day, and finally the Democrats have to start pushing back with their own alarmist language because people are so stupid they were believing all of the Republican Trump idiocy in the first place. . That’s why we are where we are. The serial liars are now complaining that the other side is also lying. That’s a rich perspective. In a side by side comparison the level of Trumps lying is 1000x Harris and the Democrats. That’s a fact. There are over 50,000 documented lies and we see it every single day out of his mouth. Why in the world would you ever put your trust in someone like that. The Trump voters are incredible suckers. 

2 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

“We love this guy,” Trump said of Hannity. “He says, ‘You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’ I said: ‘No, no, no, other than day one. We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.’”

Trump has a long history of making inflammatory proclamations that spark outrage from detractors and generate a stream of headlines, without ever coming to fruition.

But thanks to outside resistance, internal opposition, sanctuary policies, legal guardrails, and sheer ineptitude, the Trump administration removed fewer than 1 million people from the country—far behind the number Barack Obama deported during his first four years in office.

 

 

He might be mouthy which causes a lot of people to get enraged over their president not speaking with any sort of couth but if those two sentences scare you that he's the next Hitler then I can't help you. Closing the borders and drilling like a dictator are stupid but harmless comments. Obama deported more people than Trump LOL. That video interview is the same silly stuff he said before the first election and he didn't do anything to obama/clinton/biden. I think you are just really worked up and I can understand that. 

See above. How can you not even see the irony of your ridiculous statement. “Trump” can lie with impunity but the Democrats can’t. That’s ridiculous. And as others have stated, the Democrats statements are based on Trump’s own statements! 

2 hours ago, threesheets said:

Yeah to your point @WinningIsHard, if I had to bet I'd say it's just going to be four more years of golfing and grifting. Amazing that we're at a point where that's what people are hoping for.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19098]

21 hours ago, Annie_Tobak said:

This feels extremely Latin American / South American.

Where else have we seen leaders get deposed or lose elections, face legal consequences (and even sometimes exile), only to be brought back with a hero's welcome after unpopular leaders who follow fail to energize or please the populace? We saw it in Brazil recently if memory serves and I think it's happened in Nepal recently as well.

Lastly, just a comment about President Elect Trump being a rapist and felon. I get why people want to emphasize and repeat the epithets of "rapist" and "felon". Felon is 100% factually true. Rapist too.

But the majority of Americans view Trump's title as a rapist as a bit of revisionist history with the modern interpretation of the word rape (e.g. power dynamics, not stopping at no's, non-consensual or murky, anything except explicit consent) versus like a Cosby or Mike Tyson definition. I think there are a lot of people that a) don't believe he even did it and b) don't understand it as rape, so the name-calling gets mentally dismissed.

With "Felon" it's as simple as, so what? You can become a felon for a myriad of different reasons, whether it be "good trouble" or "witch hunts" to borrow a phrase from each party to justify illegal behaviors. Most Americans who vote for Trump either ardently view it as persecution or hand-wave it away as "breaking eggs to make omelettes" and a cost of the messy business of politics to continue to fight for the people.

These are the reasons why I think the majority could elect a rapist and felon.

Whose sock is this?

[Captainant 27530]

33 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Whose sock is this?

Annie Tobak == Animal Tobacco == Chrispy

[TwiceHorn 31379]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Annie Tobak == Animal Tobacco == Chrispy

May be right there, except it was established that he's not Chrispy.  Someone else copped to that.

[TwiceHorn 31379]

10 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

“We love this guy,” Trump said of Hannity. “He says, ‘You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’ I said: ‘No, no, no, other than day one. We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.’”

Trump has a long history of making inflammatory proclamations that spark outrage from detractors and generate a stream of headlines, without ever coming to fruition.

But thanks to outside resistance, internal opposition, sanctuary policies, legal guardrails, and sheer ineptitude, the Trump administration removed fewer than 1 million people from the country—far behind the number Barack Obama deported during his first four years in office.

 

 

He might be mouthy which causes a lot of people to get enraged over their president not speaking with any sort of couth but if those two sentences scare you that he's the next Hitler then I can't help you. Closing the borders and drilling like a dictator are stupid but harmless comments. Obama deported more people than Trump LOL. That video interview is the same silly stuff he said before the first election and he didn't do anything to obama/clinton/biden. I think you are just really worked up and I can understand that. 

Here's the thing that makes this scary.  The above is evidence that Trump has bad impulses.

During his first administration, he had people that weren't unflinchingly loyal and curbed many of his worse impulses.

Those guardrails are not going to be present or as present this time around.  The DOJ, for example, will be full of Jeffery Clarks and guys like Richard Donoghue that kept things semi-sane are not going to be around. There won't be any or many Greg Jacobs fending off lunatics like Eastman.

He also won't be running for re-election, either by term limits or something nefarious that makes him president-for-life, so he will be unaffected by popular sentiment.  On the other hand, he's such a titty-baby for publicity and "ratings," that may operate as something of a curb on him.

[Captainant 27530]

33 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

May be right there, except it was established that he's not Chrispy.  Someone else copped to that.

[Annie_Tobak 130]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

May be right there, except it was established that he's not Chrispy.  Someone else copped to that.

It's always been me, Crispin Glover.

Anyhoot-- I'm guessing that those in the first 6 pages who thought the Cloak Room sucked, are going to probably start to like it.

And those int he first 6 pages who said it didn't suck and it was a free market of ideas and just have a thicker skin, they are going to start thinking it sucks.

So it goes, Poo-tee-weet, Poo-tee-weet.

Edited November 8 by Annie_Tobak

[UpperWestside 6146]

On 11/3/2024 at 5:20 PM, Derka said:

i started posting in the cloak room this year. never had a single cross word with anyone, and have gotten a shit ton of pos rep. never been negged.

conversely, maybe half the time i go to the football board (or sometimes when im not even posting there, as in today’s case when immamac decided to talk shit about me out of nowhere) i get jumped by 10 mouth breathers whether i engaged any of them or not. lots of “hurr durr, faggot, pussy” type rhetoric going on in there.

turns out that a lot of our most intelligent posters congregating to discuss adult subject matter = a much less hostile environment than all of our dumbest fucking mongoloids gathering together to let out their misplaced male aggression over how well a teenage boy in tight pants does at sportsball. who knew? 

I think you should post more in the cloak room. 

[Herbie Hancock 7315]

I’ve never posted in the cloak room. I read a lot, but I’ve never drank enough to want to post in there as the few times I’ve tried to engage in any discussion I’ve been called names (from both sides). I say all that to get to my point, which is this: there are some vile, miserable fucks in there, and Sack has managed to surpass them all by MILES. I hope I never come to understand how a person could continually, day after day, choose to be an ugly person.

[Captainant 27530]

1 hour ago, Herbie Hancock said:

I’ve never posted in the cloak room. I read a lot, but I’ve never drank enough to want to post in there as the few times I’ve tried to engage in any discussion I’ve been called names (from both sides). I say all that to get to my point, which is this: there are some vile, miserable fucks in there, and Sack has managed to surpass them all by MILES. I hope I never come to understand how a person could continually, day after day, choose to be an ugly person.

That's really underselling it. This church elder is gleefully posting about how excited he is to create prosecutions of his political enemies. Explicitly fascist shit. 

12 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Just find an underlying predicate.  Make shit up.  Be creative.  Payback is a motherfucker.  Mail and wire fraud are broad as shit.