Everything is Shit: Tracking the Great Enshittening

[BabaYaga 15,290]

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I should just show you middle-aged brunettes with great tits."

[BurntEyes 5,962]

8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean....let's not pretend that the AI/algorithm has to do a lot of heavy lifting.  For example, if I was to get on a dating site, within about 5 minutes, the algorithm would say "yeah, yeah, I get it -- I should just show you middle-aged brunettes with great tits."

Pretty sure mine has figured out:

"He likes smoking hot 30 somethings, but they don't like him. Feed his info to the 60+ full bodied women feed, they're fans of his."

[Brisketexan 105,092]

4 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Pretty sure mine has figured out:

"He likes smoking hot 30 somethings, but they don't like him. Feed his info to the 60+ full bodied women feed, they're fans of his."

Future BurntEyes:

 

[TexasGrunt 72]

50 minutes ago, immamac said:

So the interesting part about this is the way people are talking about AI now because it has somehow made technology relatable/understandable to the masses. 

This was always the end state of dating apps. An algorithm that uses all available data to predict the best probability of a compatible match between 2 users. 

Now they are just saying it's AI because people are too stupid to understand how computers work.

This is spot on.  I work for large enterprise and work in security.   We have apps that have been around for years, demo's to clients but they were so/so on them.  Change the name to something with AI, they are all over it, can't get enough of it.  Just like cloud, SAAS, this is all regurgitated tech but change the name and away we go.

[Hank Kingsley 20,914]

50 minutes ago, Parliament said:

How many people want a movie that’s more than that?  For every Oppenheimer/Barbie ticket bought how many Transformers tickets sell?

And look at the rich IP.  There have been like 11 Star Wars movies and how many TV series made by real people.  You tell Chat GTP, “Watch all the Star Wars there is and create a sequel movie.”  Compare that movie to the recent human-made iterations and would it be much worse?  Would the streamers buy it just to fill up “content?”

Or tell it to watch all the actual prestige TV serieses (Breaking Bad, Mad Men, etc.).  You don’t think AI couldn’t make shows as good as CSI?  Again, all it costs is a Chat GTP license and the electricity to run the computer.  Gotta be cheaper than an actual CSI season.

Yes, it would be much worse. Even with how bad most of the Star Wars sequels have been. Look at what's happening to Marvel at the moment. While created by humans their catalog has been put on cruise control since Endgame and the movies suck and are not making the money they predicted. 

You just brought up Chat GTP (sorry, GPT lol). I haven't seen any talk of that in months after being inundated with it at the beginning. AI is crashing and burning right now despite the gaslighting and dollar signs that it's creators are hunting. 

Whether or not you realize it, there are subtleties in the human condition that our brains respond to, and AI can't create that yet. Maybe never. 

We can let AI take over, and our kids or grandkids might not know the difference (or even care) if it's all they know. Is that we want? 

Edited May 10 by Hank Kingsley

[Captainant 27,646]

7 minutes ago, TexasGrunt said:

This is spot on.  I work for large enterprise and work in security.   We have apps that have been around for years, demo's to clients but they were so/so on them.  Change the name to something with AI, they are all over it, can't get enough of it.  Just like cloud, SAAS, this is all regurgitated tech but change the name and away we go.

A few years ago it was "blockchain will revolutionize $INDUSTRY!!" 

[immamac 42,839]

It's almost like speculative investments with no implosion are creating a bubble of everything that is being propped up by forces beyond the actual consumer or business market.

[Hank Kingsley 20,914]

Fuck this guy 

 

[wildcat09 29,348]

3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

We need a good purge.

[Captain Ron 12,872]

10 hours ago, Parliament said:

How many people want a movie that’s more than that?  For every Oppenheimer/Barbie ticket bought how many Transformers tickets sell?

You act like big budget action films are easy to churn out. They aren't. Transformers are fun movies to watch. There are plenty of action films that aren't worth a nickel. And hell, a franchise like Transformers isn't going to be sold to anyone just saying "we're going to let an AI write the script." It was given to Bay because they knew exactly what they were getting with him at the helm.

 

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And look at the rich IP.  There have been like 11 Star Wars movies and how many TV series made by real people.  You tell Chat GTP, “Watch all the Star Wars there is and create a sequel movie.”  Compare that movie to the recent human-made iterations and would it be much worse?  Would the streamers buy it just to fill up “content?”

Yes. It would be awful. Why? We'll get to that in a second. As far as streamer - probably. Which would suck because they lap up anything Star Wars and it would show the mouse that oh all we need to do is slap SW on it and the dorks will buy it. But that doesn't make it good.

 

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Or tell it to watch all the actual prestige TV serieses (Breaking Bad, Mad Men, etc.).  You don’t think AI couldn’t make shows as good as CSI?  Again, all it costs is a Chat GTP license and the electricity to run the computer.  Gotta be cheaper than an actual CSI season.

No AI can't make a show as good as CSI. And this is where I will pick up the SW argument too.

In the end it doesn't matter what you feed into it - all it can do is make near copies. "Give me a crime drama LIKE Breaking Bad", "Give me a period piece LIKE Mad Men", "Give me a procedural LIKE CSI", "Write a Star Wars sequel story". In the end it can only take what is there and at best churn out something that has the characters and has them do a lot of what you've seen. And it would likely be pretty hollow because you wouldn't see any sort of evolution of the characters from what they last were in the media.

What made Breaking Bad and Mad Men was their uniqueness and their characters. They evolved, changed and grew. The world changed around them and they changed to adapt. AI can't make any of that up. It would just regurgitate what we have seen ad nauseum. This would apply to Star Wars too. Take the entire SW catalog before 2022 and there is ZERO chance that an AI generated Andor would be anything but Andor flying around the galaxy with 17 Jedi pals. And it would be really dumb because everyone would be saying shit like "I am one with the force and the force is with me", "I've got a bad feeling about this", etc. I would probably rather watch fucking fan made films, which I detest.

Even trying to crank out a CSI clone - it would be like if CSI was written by the writers of The Princess Switch - let's just take every damn cliche of this genre and run with it.

 

In the end my main issue is the writing - that takes something that AI doesn't have and I think it will take sometime before it does. It might eventually, but until then that is something that needs to be left to a human. You want to take a script and run it through a film generator - you probably get something useable. But AIs writing scripts - that will likely be trash.

 

[Captainant 27,646]

Ya know, things are only shit if you're a member of the wage earning class

[Hank Kingsley 20,914]

They had a good run for 48 hours or so. 

Add in the disastrous commercial/campaign for the new iPad, are we seeing the beginning of the demise of Apple? Or maybe it's already happened, I don't know. 

 

['stache 21,801]

On 5/10/2024 at 9:09 AM, immamac said:

So the interesting part about this is the way people are talking about AI now because it has somehow made technology relatable/understandable to the masses. 

This was always the end state of dating apps. An algorithm that uses all available data to predict the best probability of a compatible match between 2 users. 

Now they are just saying it's AI because people are too stupid to understand how computers work.

That’s how I feel about it, and I know very little about computers. To me AI means sentience, and I don’t think computers will ever accomplish true human like intelligence. It just seems to me that we’ve hit a point where the internet has enough material for inputs and computer power has become fast enough that it can absorb it all to create far more complex outputs than in the past. Like @captainron said, it’s not truly thinking, it’s just generating complex outputs based on a very large array of input materials. I can see having bots create scripts and visuals as a starting point but humans will need to fill in a lot of gaps. I’ve been part of some attempts to use chat gpt and that’s how it was used. One group I work with had it create a press release and it was a pretty good start, we worked with it and made it better, maybe saved us some hours, but it’s original output wasn’t sufficient to release without several edits.

Edited May 15 by 'stache

[immamac 42,839]

2 hours ago, 'stache said:

That’s how I feel about it, and I know very little about computers. To me AI means sentience, and I don’t think computers will ever accomplish true human like intelligence. It just seems to me that we’ve hit a point where the internet has enough material for inputs and computer power has become fast enough that it can absorb it all to create far more complex outputs than in the past. Like @captainron said, it’s not truly thinking, it’s just generating complex outputs based on a very large array of input materials. I can see having bots create scripts and visuals as a starting point but humans will need to fill in a lot of gaps. I’ve been part of some attempts to use chat gpt and that’s how it was used. One group I work with had it create a press release and it was a pretty good start, we worked with it and made it better, maybe saved us some hours, but it’s original output wasn’t sufficient to release without several edits.

You have described it perfectly. 

[mdmost 43,001]

On 5/11/2024 at 5:29 PM, Hank Kingsley said:

They had a good run for 48 hours or so. 

Add in the disastrous commercial/campaign for the new iPad, are we seeing the beginning of the demise of Apple? Or maybe it's already happened, I don't know. 

 

I think Apple is running out of ideas for their next "IT" product. I don't see the Vision Pro as a failure because every product Apple makes is a step towards a smaller, integrated product later. The barrier to entry due to the high cost is the largest problem for the Vision Pro.

[Hank Kingsley 20,914]

10 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I think Apple is running out of ideas for their next "IT" product. I don't see the Vision Pro as a failure because every product Apple makes is a step towards a smaller, integrated product later. The barrier to entry due to the high cost is the largest problem for the Vision Pro.

Maybe, but upon its release people were posting videos of all the features for a couple of days online. And then it just stopped and I haven't seen anything since. That doesn't seem like a cost issue. 

 

[mdmost 43,001]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

Maybe, but upon its release people were posting videos of all the features for a couple of days online. And then it just stopped and I haven't seen anything since. That doesn't seem like a cost issue. 

 

Nerds are always going to buy new tech. Then they'll move on. Look at the Cybertruck. This isn't buying a new phone or iPad that has practical daily use utility. It's a $3000 toy for nerds that doesn't have a ton of every day applications for normal people. When this gets integrated somehow into your iPhone down the line with much smaller glasses, it will be worth it. The iPad getting thinner and showing you could still do lots of work with them led to super thin iMacs. 

[Hank Kingsley 20,914]

16 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Nerds are always going to buy new tech. Then they'll move on. Look at the Cybertruck. This isn't buying a new phone or iPad that has practical daily use utility. It's a $3000 toy for nerds that doesn't have a ton of every day applications for normal people. When this gets integrated somehow into your iPhone down the line with much smaller glasses, it will be worth it. The iPad getting thinner and showing you could still do lots of work with them led to super thin iMacs. 

Right. And the success of future tech will be based on utility. Does anyone give a shit that iPads are getting thinner at this point? I mean, congratulations for making it super thin? 

Apple projected selling 800,000 Vision Pros in 2024. Now they are thinking closer to half that, which will include pending overseas rollout. 

This was the Google Trend data as of a few weeks ago

[kevwun 15,772]

1 hour ago, mdmost said:

I think Apple is running out of ideas for their next "IT" product. I don't see the Vision Pro as a failure because every product Apple makes is a step towards a smaller, integrated product later. The barrier to entry due to the high cost is the largest problem for the Vision Pro.

They need to make a damn folding iPhone already.  I don't want to switch to Samsung, but I want a folding phone.

Edited May 15 by kevwun

[NeverMarryAStripper 21,884]

I have a couple of folding phones around here somewhere that you can have for cheap

[HenryJames 66,040]

11 minutes ago, kevwun said:

They need to make a damn folding iPhone already.  I don't want to switch to Samsung, but I want a folding phone.

[kevwun 15,772]

It would be the opposite of that.  They could make even bigger phones if they fold in half.

[HenryJames 66,040]

Google is overhauling its search results page with AI overviews and Gemini organization - The Verge

RIP Google search.

[immamac 42,839]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

Google is overhauling its search results page with AI overviews and Gemini organization - The Verge

RIP Google search.

except they are introducing a "web search" which reverts it back to google search from like 8 years ago without anything but weblinks. 

[Hank Kingsley 20,914]

 

[Sawbonz 27,545]

On 5/10/2024 at 10:38 AM, Hank Kingsley said:

Fuck this guy 

 

Did AI create that dude’s face?

[HenryJames 66,040]

On 5/15/2024 at 12:42 PM, immamac said:

except they are introducing a "web search" which reverts it back to google search from like 8 years ago without anything but weblinks. 

Sort of.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/14/24074314/google-now-offers-web-search

[atomheartbevo 89,643]

On 5/9/2024 at 11:21 PM, Captain Ron said:

You know this is a good example of why AI will fail for a long time. These movies are seen as pure schlock because in most cases they are extremely derivative of prior works. That is all that AI generated films will be, derivative works of likely everything.

Hallmark films “work” because they use every trope that’s been used before and markets show they work. AI films, in the current models, will be no different. 

AI would try and load up Hallmark films with 9s and 10s instead of 6s, 7s, and 8s like Hallmark does.  AI would not understand why the leads can't be stunningly beautiful actresses (and actors) that would normally be supermodels or bonafide movie stars, because it wouldn't understand who Hallmark's target audiences are.  Sure, it can be fed a ton of data on what Hallmark's target audiences buy, post about, read, etc., but it's not going to understand that a movie about a single-mom with her kid, who has to move back to Buttfuck, Maine to take over her aunt's failing bakery, and who ends up falling in love with a local real estate developer who wants the building her aunt's bakery is in to turn it into hispster condos, has to focus on semi-attractive actors.  Nor will AI understand how what appears to be a town of 500 people can somehow support a dozen bakeries, nor will it understand why the real estate developer went from wanting to gut the building and load it up with hipsters to all of the sudden finding himself working in the bakery to help renovate it and make it successful, even though he knows he's going to lose out on millions and/or be fired.

[TwiceHorn 31,445]

On 5/8/2024 at 12:14 PM, wild_turkey said:

Perhaps this has been discussed, but the internet in general is a much worse place to navigate. Almost every webpage now requires you to acknowledge cookies, but the popups are sometimes slow to load and it delays your ability to start using the site. I think as a global society we should all come to an understanding that cookies are implied by being on the internet. And then once you get beyond the cookies, almost any website that sells stuff will try to get you to sign up for their emails to save 10% or whatever, so that's another popup to click through before you can use the page, even if you are already an established customer on the email list. It's ridiculous.

A lot of the cookie acknowledgement stuff is compliance or near-compliance with EU's GDPR.  But yeah,, the other shit is a pain in thee ass.

Edited May 21 by TwiceHorn
Dyslexics untie!

[Hank Kingsley 20,914]

 

[956 Worldwide 34,705]

9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

AI would try and load up Hallmark films with 9s and 10s instead of 6s, 7s, and 8s like Hallmark does.  AI would not understand why the leads can't be stunningly beautiful actresses (and actors) that would normally be supermodels or bonafide movie stars, because it wouldn't understand who Hallmark's target audiences are.  Sure, it can be fed a ton of data on what Hallmark's target audiences buy, post about, read, etc., but it's not going to understand that a movie about a single-mom with her kid, who has to move back to Buttfuck, Maine to take over her aunt's failing bakery, and who ends up falling in love with a local real estate developer who wants the building her aunt's bakery is in to turn it into hispster condos, has to focus on semi-attractive actors.  Nor will AI understand how what appears to be a town of 500 people can somehow support a dozen bakeries, nor will it understand why the real estate developer went from wanting to gut the building and load it up with hipsters to all of the sudden finding himself working in the bakery to help renovate it and make it successful, even though he knows he's going to lose out on millions and/or be fired.

Virtually all of the Hallmark actresses would give me a heart attack, I don’t know where you’re getting “6es” from. 

[Incredulity 11,663]

9 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Stop,the plaintiff’s bar can only get so erect.

[Captainant 27,646]

9 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

I was mainly staying on Windows for gaming, but Linux may become my new home desktop OS now that Proton and steam have solved 99% of cases for me. Windows is really going through the enshittification value cycle now, and they're gonna force me off of W10 before long

[TwiceHorn 31,445]

Are they really gonna use image screenshots to store/obtain user/state data? Or is that a dumbing down of it? If so, seems super inefficient. 

[Biff Tannen 45,672]

10 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Yeah, let's take screenshots of every password, social security number, bank account number, credit card number, etc.  Oh, but it's ok because it's all being done "locally".  What could go wrong?

[wildcat09 29,348]

I swear, tech guys are just the absolute dumbest people on earth. 

[High Plains Drifter 11,035]

On 3/13/2024 at 7:12 PM, Nicole44 said:

Are high rats part of the enshittening?

 

 

Hey, Lou, what happened to that bail of mj that we confiscated? Its like half the size it was last week. 

Oh, uh, yeah, um, rats ate it, yeah, that's what happened, rats ate it. 

[Js1 85,302]

3 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Hey, Lou, what happened to that bail of mj that we confiscated? Its like half the size it was last week. 

Oh, uh, yeah, um, rats ate it, yeah, that's what happened, rats ate it. 

[High Plains Drifter 11,035]

On 5/8/2024 at 12:14 PM, wild_turkey said:

Perhaps this has been discussed, but the internet in general is a much worse place to navigate. Almost every webpage now requires you to acknowledge cookies, but the popups are sometimes slow to load and it delays your ability to start using the site. I think as a global society we should all come to an understanding that cookies are implied by being on the internet. And then once you get beyond the cookies, almost any website that sells stuff will try to get you to sign up for their emails to save 10% or whatever, so that's another popup to click through before you can use the page, even if you are already an established customer on the email list. It's ridiculous.

 

No fuck that. You want shit left behind on your computer when you leave the webpage, you opt in to that. 

 

[Captainant 27,646]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Are they really gonna use image screenshots to store/obtain user/state data? Or is that a dumbing down of it? If so, seems super inefficient. 

If they're feeding it into an LLM, they're tokenizing the image and storing the vector representation of that data. It's much more space efficient but also pushes more compute requirements onto the edge computer 

[High Plains Drifter 11,035]

 

24 minutes ago, Captainant said:

If they're feeding it into an LLM, they're tokenizing the image and storing the vector representation of that data. It's much more space efficient but also pushes more compute requirements onto the edge computer 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

 

[Captainant 27,646]

 

@High Plains Drifter

[HenryJames 66,040]

Working well, imo.

[Incredulity 11,663]

Andrew Johnson getting that sweet, sweet loan forgiveness....  I'm guessing.

Edited May 22 by Incredulity

[Biff Tannen 45,672]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Working well, imo.

I fucking hate this new feature. 

[Captainant 27,646]

14 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I fucking hate this new feature. 

Google's recent developer conference makes clear this is the direction the company is heading. It's awful and is gonna kill their golden goose 

[Biff Tannen 45,672]

4 hours ago, Captainant said:

Google's recent developer conference makes clear this is the direction the company is heading. It's awful and is gonna kill their golden goose 

Same with my company.  Everyone is so enthralled with AI and they don't seem to realize it doesn't fucking work.

[HenryJames 66,040]

[TwiceHorn 31,445]

Writing in another thread, it occurs to me that one thing** that contributes heavily to enshittening is the fact that many or most of these products are non-competitive at introduction:  they don't make money and aren't really designed to.  They're designed to attract users/subscribers, which is the only metric that seems to matter in early stages.

Once they have to exist on a profitable basis and/or draw competition, they start cutting corners and costs and raising prices.

It's a bait and switch from jump.

**Actually it's probably not one thing it's THE thing.

[Incredulity 11,663]

29 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Writing in another thread, it occurs to me that one thing** that contributes heavily to enshittening is the fact that many or most of these products are non-competitive at introduction:  they don't make money and aren't really designed to.  They're designed to attract users/subscribers, which is the only metric that seems to matter in early stages.

Once they have to exist on a profitable basis and/or draw competition, they start cutting corners and costs and raising prices.

It's a bait and switch from jump.

**Actually it's probably not one thing it's THE thing.

Normal interest rates(cost of capital) over the ling term would go a long way towards killing that business model