Everything is Shit: Tracking the Great Enshittening

[HenryJames 66034]

As data centers for AI strain the power grid, bills rise for everyday customers - The Washington Post

[gofuckyourself 8197]

Maybe we can put all the AI nerds and Crypto losers into one big moon colony and have them beam their shit back to Earth using Elmo's satellites.

Or ship back the 1s and 0s using that Roadster floating around up there.

Plus, it's a lot cooler up there.

We need solutions. I think this could work.

[Captainant 27621]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

As data centers for AI strain the power grid, bills rise for everyday customers - The Washington Post

But I was assured that encouraging more unproductive load on the grid would incentivize MORE power generation to take advantage of the higher prices??

[Deej 76750]

AI has already figured out the way to kill us off.

[Braff Zacklin 13552]

SIAP. Amusing and seemed relevant.

 

[Parliament 14227]

[Incredulity 11644]

Pretty sure the Onion Ecoli issue was mentioned in this thread previously and didn't think it should be a new thread.

Now carrots 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2024/11/18/e-coli-cases-outbreak-carrots/76399934007/

 

So WTF has broken down in harvesting/processing/cleaning of vegetables?

[Iceman 2690]

Parking at hotels. 
Last week in Mankato, Mn; outdoor regular self parking at a Fairfield/ HIExpress/ Hampton type property- $3

This week in LA at similar property, outdoor, self park, no extra security- $ 25 

 

there is literally no extra service being provided. It is 100% margin enhancement. Just put it in the price of the fucking room.

[Brisketexan 105046]

43 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

So WTF has broken down in harvesting/processing/cleaning of vegetables?

So....ACTUAL ENSHITTENING.

Edited Tuesday at 03:49 PM by Brisketexan

[Incredulity 11644]

1 hour ago, Iceman said:

Parking at hotels. 
Last week in Mankato, Mn; outdoor regular self parking at a Fairfield/ HIExpress/ Hampton type property- $3

[Incredulity 11644]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

So....ACTUAL ENSHITTENING.

well it is Ecoli so...yeah.  but I wonder if its a processing breakdown, more shit being distributed in fields or better detection by authorities(or combo of some/all)

[Captainant 27621]

2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Pretty sure the Onion Ecoli issue was mentioned in this thread previously and didn't think it should be a new thread.

Now carrots 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2024/11/18/e-coli-cases-outbreak-carrots/76399934007/

 

So WTF has broken down in harvesting/processing/cleaning of vegetables?

The incoming person who will be over the FDA doesn't believe in pasteurization or other food safety standards. So, uh, prepare your anus.

[Incredulity 11644]

50 minutes ago, Captainant said:

The incoming person who will be over the FDA doesn't believe in pasteurization or other food safety standards. So, uh, prepare your anus.

you can't pasteurizes RAW vegetables.  Take your CR crap to the CR.  Christ.

[Fudge Nuggets 19184]

2 hours ago, Iceman said:

Parking at hotels. 
Last week in Mankato, Mn; outdoor regular self parking at a Fairfield/ HIExpress/ Hampton type property- $3

This week in LA at similar property, outdoor, self park, no extra security- $ 25 

 

there is literally no extra service being provided. It is 100% margin enhancement. Just put it in the price of the fucking room.

When you say 'LA' do you mean Louisiana or Los Angeles.  If it's Los Angeles then the difference in land costs probably have a little bit to do with it on top of simple price gouging.

[Fudge Nuggets 19184]

18 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

you can't pasteurizes RAW vegetables.  Take your CR crap to the CR.  Christ.

Overlook this part, did you?

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or other food safety standards.

 

[Royalfan5 2353]

3 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Pretty sure the Onion Ecoli issue was mentioned in this thread previously and didn't think it should be a new thread.

Now carrots 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2024/11/18/e-coli-cases-outbreak-carrots/76399934007/

 

So WTF has broken down in harvesting/processing/cleaning of vegetables?

If you are buying organic vegetable they basically have to have to rely more on manure as fertilizer, so you'll get higher e coli potential. 

[Incredulity 11644]

Just now, Royalfan5 said:

If you are buying organic vegetable they basically have to have to rely more on manure as fertilizer, so you'll get higher e coli potential. 

Makes sense.  

So I assume the McDonalds onion situation was then probably an equipment sanitation issue, or some "organic" onions were used when that isn't the specification/marketing of a Quarter Pounder.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

8 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

When you say 'LA' do you mean Louisiana or Los Angeles.  If it's Los Angeles then the difference in land costs probably have a little bit to do with it on top of simple price gouging.

Well that and also for certain corporate/government customers who have to deal with lodging limits, it's an easy way to increase your price and still be within the top allowable limit, since parking is separate from hotel on your expense reports.

[Royalfan5 2353]

9 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Makes sense.  

So I assume the McDonalds onion situation was then probably an equipment sanitation issue, or some "organic" onions were used when that isn't the specification/marketing of a Quarter Pounder.

The onions were from a front range company which would likely have access to manure that needed placed from the big dairies or feedlots out that way. While organic has to use manure, regular will use it too because it's good fertilizer. Generally there is a window you are supposed to abide by. (I think it's 75 days, but I'm not 100% sure off the top of my head) 

[Iceman 2690]

34 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

When you say 'LA' do you mean Louisiana or Los Angeles.  If it's Los Angeles then the difference in land costs probably have a little bit to do with it on top of simple price gouging.

Los Angeles. The parking lot existed when they built the property. There is no covered parking. No security. No valet( another ruse.) No nothing. Just a big fee for…well..nothing. 

Edited Tuesday at 07:02 PM by Iceman

[Incredulity 11644]

18 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

The onions were from a front range company which would likely have access to manure that needed placed from the big dairies or feedlots out that way. While organic has to use manure, regular will use it too because it's good fertilizer. Generally there is a window you are supposed to abide by. (I think it's 75 days, but I'm not 100% sure off the top of my head) 

so probably some fuck up in the fields vs processing.  interesting.

[Brisketexan 105046]

6 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

so probably some fuck up in the fields vs processing.  interesting.

I remember an e. coli outbreak a few years ago was from some farms in California that had a problem with feral hogs going through the fields and shitting everywhere.  So, it wasn't something the farm added, it's just that the sanitation measures weren't adequate for the added shit that they didn't anticipate/realize was on the product.

[Deej 76750]

51 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

If you are buying organic vegetable they basically have to have to rely more on manure as fertilizer, so you'll get higher e coli potential. 

The organic vegetables should be cheaper since the migrant workers are providing the fertilizer. 

[Incredulity 11644]

21 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I remember an e. coli outbreak a few years ago was from some farms in California that had a problem with feral hogs going through the fields and shitting everywhere.  So, it wasn't something the farm added, it's just that the sanitation measures weren't adequate for the added shit that they didn't anticipate/realize was on the product.

for @Royalfan5

I believe some vegetables are rinsed or sprayed with sanitizers(diluted chlorines solutions?) when processed/packaged.  Is that allowed with organic?

 

**edit

 

Google is my friend.  Obviously a huge rabbit hole here.

https://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheet/farm-food-safety-choosing-a-sanitizer-for-washing-fresh-produce/

Edited Tuesday at 07:40 PM by Incredulity

[thunderlounge 7813]

 

1 hour ago, Royalfan5 said:

If you are buying organic vegetable they basically have to have to rely more on manure as fertilizer, so you'll get higher e coli potential. 

But here’s the thing, there are better, safer organic options than manure. They use it because it’s dirt cheap.

That’s fine, but before you go slinging shit all over, you really, really need to compost it first.

However, as said, there are better alternatives. 

[Incredulity 11644]

3 minutes ago, thunderlounge said:

But here’s the thing, there are better, safer organic options than manure. They use it because it’s dirt cheap.

sounds like dirt is more expensive, so perhaps the phrase should be "shit cheap"?

[Steel Shank 9421]

Y'all be careful tossing those salads.

[Incredulity 11644]

salet.  please.

[gofuckyourself 8197]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

The organic vegetables should be cheaper since the migrant workers are providing the fertilizer. 

Yep.

No CR, just funny ... shit:

 

[High Plains Drifter 11024]

9 hours ago, Royalfan5 said:

If you are buying organic vegetable they basically have to have to rely more on manure as fertilizer, so you'll get higher e coli potential. 

 

Calling bullshit on that. 

Sounds like something you pulled out your ass. 

 

[Firemans4Horn 18034]

9 hours ago, Iceman said:

Los Angeles. The parking lot existed when they built the property. There is no covered parking. No security. No valet( another ruse.) No nothing. Just a big fee for…well..nothing. 

not trying to be a dick, but high density cities across the globe are going to have a lot higher costs than Mankato, Minnesota (population 45,000) in just about every category. 

[Braff Zacklin 13552]

14 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Calling bullshit on that. 

Sounds like something you pulled out your ass. 

Well, where do you think the manure comes from?

[Iceman 2690]

19 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

not trying to be a dick, but high density cities across the globe are going to have a lot higher costs than Mankato, Minnesota (population 45,000) in just about every category. 

Total cost isn't the issue.  It's the fact that they list the price for the room at X.  and then charge Y for fucking nothing.

But you did give quite the LOL at the basic economic lesson while being unable to read.

Edited yesterday at 04:40 AM by Iceman

[Brisketexan 105046]

not trying to be a dick, but high density cities across the globe are going to have a lot higher costs than Mankato, Minnesota (population 45,000) in just about every category. 

Not when it comes to the used snowmobile market, asshole.

[Firemans4Horn 18034]

1 minute ago, Iceman said:

Total cost isn't the issue.  It's the fact that they list the price for the room at X.  and then charge Y for fucking nothing.

But you did give quite the LOL at the basic economic lesson while being unable to read.

You had to pay extra to park at a hotel in Los Angeles. This is breaking news to you?

I’m just surprised you had to pay $3 to park in Mantako.

[thunderlounge 7813]

8 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

I’m just surprised you had to pay $3 to park in Mantako.

This is what amazes me.  A parking fee in BFE?

 

[Parliament 14227]

The Bismarck airport is in a literal cow pasture.  The parking lot is paved but not covered and only marginally kept clear of snow.

They charge for long term parking.  Not cool.

[Orange&White 5521]

9 hours ago, Iceman said:

Total cost isn't the issue.  It's the fact that they list the price for the room at X.  and then charge Y for fucking nothing.

But you did give quite the LOL at the basic economic lesson while being unable to read.

Do you expect them to just eat the cost of the property tax every year that the parking lot is sitting on? Or the R&M on the parking lot? This seems like a silly argument.

[Captainant 27621]

17 minutes ago, Parliament said:

The Bismarck airport is in a literal cow pasture.  The parking lot is paved but not covered and only marginally kept clear of snow.

They charge for long term parking.  Not cool.

Hey man, do you want profit margins or not

[Fudge Nuggets 19184]

24 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Hey man, do you want profit margins or not

Everyone wants profit margins, but no one wants to pay for them.

[Pescado_Rojo 19412]

19 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I remember an e. coli outbreak a few years ago was from some farms in California that had a problem with feral hogs going through the fields and shitting everywhere.  So, it wasn't something the farm added, it's just that the sanitation measures weren't adequate for the added shit that they didn't anticipate/realize was on the product.

Sounds like those farms need some AR15s. 

[Parliament 14227]

2 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Sounds like those farms need some AR15s. 

In cali?  You take your Rem 700 bolt gun and you’ll like it.

[BabaYaga 15286]

11 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Sounds like those farms need some AR15s. 

[Incredulity 11644]

57 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Hey man, do you want profit margins or not

Great narrative Trotsky.  Only problem is the Bismarck Airport is owned by the....wait for it....

 

 

government.

 

 

[Incredulity 11644]

1 hour ago, Orange&White said:

Do you expect them to just eat the cost of the property tax every year that the parking lot is sitting on? Or the R&M on the parking lot? This seems like a silly argument.

he is arguing against the itemization/surcharge/resort fee bullshit that has infected damn near every transaction.  It's fundamentally dishonest to advertise something as $89 then add on a $40 resort fee, $25 parking fee, $20 service fee...for a real price of $174

[Brisketexan 105046]

6 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Great narrative Trotsky.  Only problem is the Bismarck Airport is owned by the....wait for it....

 

 

government.

And the parking lots there are managed by...wait for it....a private, for-profit contractor.

Not that there's a lot of difference.  Our entire economy and culture are based on a "maximum profits first, functional service/public good.....never" ethos.  Profit is not a bad thing.  Profits, and only profits, at the expense of everything else, to the detriment of everything else, is how we get enshittening.  When anything gets too far out of balance, it's usually a bad thing.  One doesn't have to be a communist to acknowledge that.  Just like one doesn't have to be an anarcho-capitalist to acknowledge that taking all profit out of the model is a recipe for decay, death of innovation and effort, and disaster.

[Incredulity 11644]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And the parking lots there are managed by...wait for it....a private, for-profit contractor.

Not that there's a lot of difference.  Our entire economy and culture are based on a "maximum profits first, functional service/public good.....never" ethos.  Profit is not a bad thing.  Profits, and only profits, at the expense of everything else, to the detriment of everything else, is how we get enshittening.  When anything gets too far out of balance, it's usually a bad thing.  One doesn't have to be a communist to acknowledge that.  Just like one doesn't have to be an anarcho-capitalist to acknowledge that taking all profit out of the model is a recipe for decay, death of innovation and effort, and disaster.

Who sets the standards for the private contractor to bid on?  It's not hands off, I guarantee you.

[Iceman 2690]

1 hour ago, Orange&White said:

Do you expect them to just eat the cost of the property tax every year that the parking lot is sitting on? Or the R&M on the parking lot? This seems like a silly argument.

No.  Total cost isn't my problem, except that I feel they should be more explicit about the total cost.

If I go to Target and get a $12.99 shirt, I expect sales tax at the register.  When i go to a restaurant, I expect both sales tax and to pay a tip.  My complaint about this parking fee is that it is just plain bullshit for no added service.  The parking lot exists whether I am there or not.  It is not covered, nor is the vendor providing security. It is not valet. It is just straight up margin enhancement.  My beef is that they should just reflect it in their initial price quote when you are shopping for the room.

To be honest, the $3fee in Mankato pissed me off for just the principle involved.  I was looking at my receipt a few days later and i was like, "Really bitches???  In that freaking wide open place?"  this coming from a dude who hails from wide open spaces of all wide open spaces in West Texas. Coming soon:  electricity access fee.  I mean, they gave me lights, it should cost more for them to actually work, right?
 

My complaint absolutely fits the spirit of this thread.

[Brisketexan 105046]

4 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

he is arguing against the itemization/surcharge/resort fee bullshit that has infected damn near every transaction.  It's fundamentally dishonest to advertise something as $89 then add on a $40 resort fee, $25 parking fee, $20 service fee...for a real price of $174

Yep.  Like....every single ticket for every event that you can buy, which MUST be purchased through a single vendor.  Thanks, SeatGeek...super pumped that you found me tickets for the concert for $90, but when I check out and the total cost is $175 because of added "convenience fee" and "paperless ticket fee," and "because our name has 'geek' in it fee," fuck all the way off.

[Braff Zacklin 13552]

37 minutes ago, Parliament said:

In cali?  You take your Rem 700 bolt gun and you’ll like it.

Well, yeah, anyone should like that. Setting aside its trigger issue, the Model 700 is a superb rifle.