Everything is Shit: Tracking the Great Enshittening

[StassneyHorn 6772]

7 hours ago, choripan said:

Haha, I officially feel stupid for engaging a particular poster here.

Last straw was posting the "average hours" worked chart a page or two ago, without context of how many of those people are working two or more part-time jobs.

Disingenuous at best. Me now leaving this thread that went from kvetching over enshittening to the shit-defender batsignal going somehow going up and bringing in the bootlicker cavalry.

 

It’s something like 5.3% of the US workforce has multiple jobs. I’m looking for more remote work even though I live comfortably now because speeding up retirement by investing as much as possible is something I want to do.

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10803]

3 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

In case some of you haven’t picked up hybrid or remote work, there’s some results of of UK that you won’t believe!!!

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/4-day-workweek-work-companies-share-results-after/story?id=107635577

One year after 61 U.K. companies opted to participate in a four-day week pilot study, 89% of the companies continued to keep the structure in place.

They’re working 32 hours over 4 days, with no reduction in pay

After one year, 51% of the companies have decided to implement the four-day workweek permanently and 89% have decided to continue the structure through the year.

In a follow-up survey with the participating companies' managers and CEOs, 100% reported that the four-day week had a "positive" or "very positive" impact on their organization, according to the study.

When researchers asked what the four-day structure had changed, 82% of surveyed companies reported positive impacts on staff well-being. 50% saw positive effects on reducing staff turnover and 32% said the policy had noticeably improved their recruitment, the study reports.

 

the participating organizations agreed to complete 100% of the usual workload in 80% of the time worked, shortening the workweek to 32 hours -- with no reduction of pay

 

so...guess a bunch of white collar jobs not really needed... Should be good outcome.

[StassneyHorn 6772]

Bunch of meetings not needed

morning check ins, weekly wrap ups gtfo

Edited March 2 by StassneyHorn

[Captainant 28538]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

the participating organizations agreed to complete 100% of the usual workload in 80% of the time worked, shortening the workweek to 32 hours -- with no reduction of pay

 

so...guess a bunch of white collar jobs not really needed... Should be good outcome.

 

1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

Bunch of meetings not needed

morning check ins, weekly wrap ups gtfo

Yeah it's less of "lolz those people weren't needed" and moreso "the business is just making stupid busywork". In my job over the last few years there was a major trend to where EVERY interaction should be documented, have a ticket, you submit reports on what you did each week yadayadayada. It resulted in a ton of people leaving the org and company, and ZERO measurable improvement on any business metric like customer growth, satisfaction, or scalability. 

This year, they're finally relenting and encouraging people to actually help their customers rather than spending a day and a half filling out forms before you take any meaningful action

[Incredulity 11876]

The absolute best part of America is that all the leftist brain geniuses are 100% free to start any business organization they like in the form and format that tickles their respective Guervas and go solve all the problems they blame on LaTe StAg CaPItAlISM!!!1!!1!

 

guess what…they won’t.  

Edited March 3 by Incredulity

[Fudge Nuggets 19455]

Shut up, simp.

[Brisketexan 106894]

The absolute best part of America is that all the leftist brain geniuses are 100% free to start any business organization they like in the form and format that tickles their respective Guervas and go solve all the problems they blame on LaTe StAg CaPItAlISM!!!1!!1!
 
guess what…they won’t.  

I mean…hundreds of thousands of businesses, including some quite large ones, are run quite well by “leftists.” But by all means, continue.

[Gatorubet 30716]

On 3/1/2024 at 7:11 PM, immamac said:

The single largest net worth contributor for the middle class was owning real estate, namely their primary residence. The issue with having a generation of renters that don’t save and have no equity in anything is a huge red flag. Now of course most of these people are going to have their parents die and give them their house or inheritance and then poof as soon as that happens maybe the wealth thing happens for them. 

The other thing about generations and how they view housing is that the “have to have a McMansion” thing became prominent from the 80s on.

I hear younger people bitching about not being able to have a nice home and a life like older people. I grew up in two or three bedroom homes with one bathroom. We were a lucky family because we had two vehicles, as my dad had a work truck.  Many of my friends were a vehicle family.

When I hear younger people saying they can’t afford a house like older people, that is incorrect.  They cannot afford a McMansion, but they can afford a 2 Bedroom place with one bathroom.  I think that reality is one of the things that started the tiny home movement.   We all kept up with the Joneses until that entire construct became too expensive.   

[Incredulity 11876]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean…hundreds of thousands of businesses, including some quite large ones, are run quite well by “leftists.” But by all means, continue.

Congratulations, that’s the point of my post.  Fucking brain genius 

[WhatTheBuck 28929]

7 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

In case some of you haven’t picked up hybrid or remote work, there’s some results of of UK that you won’t believe!!!

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/4-day-workweek-work-companies-share-results-after/story?id=107635577

One year after 61 U.K. companies opted to participate in a four-day week pilot study, 89% of the companies continued to keep the structure in place.

They’re working 32 hours over 4 days, with no reduction in pay

After one year, 51% of the companies have decided to implement the four-day workweek permanently and 89% have decided to continue the structure through the year.

In a follow-up survey with the participating companies' managers and CEOs, 100% reported that the four-day week had a "positive" or "very positive" impact on their organization, according to the study.

When researchers asked what the four-day structure had changed, 82% of surveyed companies reported positive impacts on staff well-being. 50% saw positive effects on reducing staff turnover and 32% said the policy had noticeably improved their recruitment, the study reports.

 

CBS Saturday Morning had a little piece recently on an American company that tried the 4-day work week with positive results. It’s not a deep dive or anything but here it is.

 

[RDCanecutter 26885]

17 hours ago, choripan said:

 

Disingenuous at best. Me now leaving this thread that went from kvetching over enshittening to the shit-defender batsignal going somehow going up and bringing in the bootlicker cavalry.

You really need to put that to a beat.

[RDCanecutter 26885]

3 hours ago, Incredulity said:

 that tickles their respective Guervas

The what fuck?

[InkaUtexas 26884]

3 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

CBS Saturday Morning had a little piece recently on an American company that tried the 4-day work week with positive results. It’s not a deep dive or anything but here it is.

 

I would rather work 4x12 hrs than 4x8.  Team ran a model back in 2008 and it worked well.

We lose so much time going back and forth, stupid meetings, talking shit at the watercooler, and no time to do laundry.

[Incredulity 11876]

30 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

The what fuck?

Bernies

[Neonmoon 38130]

No one really works on Friday in the office 

[tomahawk dunk 375]

https://www.businessinsider.com/cory-doctorow-enshittification-theory-why-tech-social-platforms-go-downhill-2024-3

• Cory Doctorow has a theory for why tech platforms are getting worse.
• He calls the process "enshittification."
• After locking users in, Doctorow believes tech platforms deliberately worsen the user experience.

[Captainant 28538]

2 minutes ago, tomahawk dunk said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/cory-doctorow-enshittification-theory-why-tech-social-platforms-go-downhill-2024-3

• Cory Doctorow has a theory for why tech platforms are getting worse.
• He calls the process "enshittification."
• After locking users in, Doctorow believes tech platforms deliberately worsen the user experience.

Thats a nice article that better articulates much of the gripes on this thread 

Quote

 

For Doctorow then, platforms themselves are not the issue, given the vital intermediary function they play between two sides of a market.

The issue for him is that they are now in an "enshittified" state where they are seemingly "more important than the two sides of the market they mediate between."

"How is it that Uber is more important than the drivers and the riders? How is it that Amazon is more important than the sellers and the buyers? How is it that Facebook and Twitter are more important than publishers and readers?" he told Business Insider.

 

 

[JMFP 1126]

On 3/2/2024 at 11:54 PM, InkaUtexas said:

I would rather work 4x12 hrs than 4x8.  Team ran a model back in 2008 and it worked well.

We lose so much time going back and forth, stupid meetings, talking shit at the watercooler, and no time to do laundry.

If you're only going to put in an 8 hour day why even bother starting? 

 

I'm in a six person group that covers a 24/7 control room. We work (roughly) 7 on - 7 off  twelve hour shifts and it is awesome. Out of the 6 week rotation I work 2 weekend shifts and one week of nights.  Work days are long and there isn't much time after work for family things but I get 21 days off in a six week rotation. 

 

[Incredulity 11876]

In my youth I worked at some manufacturing companies doing manual production labor.  Per federal regulations there were two mandatory 15 minute break periods and a lunch over an 8 hour shift.  I would have much preferred to work through the break, get shit done and go home.  Just about the time everything was going well, we would have to stop and go sit in the lunch room for 15 min.  Just enough time to stiffen up(and this is as a kid, god bless the people in their 40's) then back to the floor.  Get everything flowing well, lunch time.

I have no studies, or professional analysis but I would guess we could have gotten an 8hrs shift of work done in less than 5 hours if we just busted ass.

Obviously only working 5 hrs on an hourly rate would be less pay.  The next logical step is a piece rate pay scheme, but that leads to all kinds of fuckery.  So here we are.

[InkaUtexas 26884]

1 hour ago, JMFP said:

If you're only going to put in an 8 hour day why even bother starting? 

 

I'm in a six person group that covers a 24/7 control room. We work (roughly) 7 on - 7 off  twelve hour shifts and it is awesome. Out of the 6 week rotation I work 2 weekend shifts and one week of nights.  Work days are long and there isn't much time after work for family things but I get 21 days off in a six week rotation. 

 

Yep, I run a team working in New Zealand, Kenya, Spain and DC. We work timezones quite a bit. So it means some days I barely sleep, others I get to fuck off and go to the river. I take a lot of naps during the day though. Wife is just starting to get used to me falling asleep around 5PM for a few hours.

Loved the rotation we had when assigned to Dubai. 5x10, one day being on call, and then 21off every 60.

[956 Worldwide 35594]

On 3/3/2024 at 9:19 AM, Captainant said:

Thats a nice article that better articulates much of the gripes on this thread 

 

The mediators are more important than the two sides of the market they mediate between.  Seems like the rest of the economy saw the “health care provider” market and said “we need in on that shit.” 

[52-80 19377]

On 3/2/2024 at 1:04 PM, choripan said:

Haha, I officially feel stupid for engaging a particular poster here.

Last straw was posting the "average hours" worked chart a page or two ago, without context of how many of those people are working two or more part-time jobs.

🤣🤣🤣 holy fuck hot-take city.  the ignoramus continuing to throw utterly BLIND CONJECTURES one after another.

what is the context of how many people work two or more part-time jobs? how many people work part-time at all?  how are the average hours calculated?????

you know this is not some deep secret information hidden in the recesses of washington, right?  its public information.

you should feel stupid.

 

[52-80 19377]

78% of the labor force is classified as full-time (35hr+).  22% is part-time.  only 10% of which (=2% of total labor force) self-reported that they were seeking more hours.

in the absolute worst-case scenario, if you removed all the multi-job respondees *exclusively* from the full-time pool, that would reduce the bona-fide full time workers to 73%.

unemployment rate and multi-job worker rate are both around all-time low for as long as those data were measured.  how come the hot-take boys cant seem to ever substantiate any of their claims?

 

[Captainant 28538]

Business daddy says that his big KPIs are happy so everyone should just shut up and dribble, no need to actually critically think about historically extreme inequality or the accumulation of power in our oligarch class

[safe sex 12007]

SIAP

HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it monitors

[52-80 19377]

33 minutes ago, safe sex said:

SIAP

HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it monitors

amazing. 

this person had never heard of a business model called a lease. that offices do with printers, cars….and they themselves do with their apartment. 

they don’t realize it’s possible to buy their own damn printer. having a new option, that people are free to not partake in, is somehow offensive.  

 

[Brisketexan 106894]

8 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

amazing. 

this person had never heard of a business model called a lease. that offices do with printers, cars….and they themselves do with their apartment. 

they don’t realize it’s possible to buy their own damn printer. having a new option, that people are free to not partake in, is somehow offensive.  

 

Now do the right to repair your own tractor.  Because your response is exactly what the response was when John Deere started to pull their shit.

[52-80 19377]

25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Now do the right to repair your own tractor.  Because your response is exactly what the response was when John Deere started to pull their shit.

I know nothing about tractors, so im not gonna plant my flag there with an opinion. Do people even buy them outright?

For now just have to watch my doors for the evil men from hewlett packard

 

[Royalfan5 2384]

2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

I know nothing about tractors, so im not gonna plant my flag there with an opinion. Do people even buy them outright?

For now just have to watch my doors for the evil men from hewlett packard

 

While there is some leasing, most of those tractors are going to be owned by a farmer within 3 years of being built, and will be in service for decades. 

[Incredulity 11876]

A primary difference between the JD and HP situations being you can't exactly walk away from a several hundred thousand dollar farm implement.

 

[52-80 19377]

I just wanna know if i read his assertion correctly: john deere blocked the right to repair if tractors, which points to hp not allowing people to buy printers?

like, disney offered a subscription to a service that it “monitors”. if you pay them a $20/mo, you can watch their catalog, but you have to be connected to the internet, and they know what you watch. the absolute horror. 

[Incredulity 11876]

3 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

john deere blocked the right to repair if tractors, which points to hp not allowing people to buy printers?

As I understand Deere has proprietary software on their equipment that they don’t allow anyone but dealers to maintain or repair.  I believe that then prevents parts maintenance either formally or informally.

[Captainant 28538]

7 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

I just wanna know if i read his assertion correctly: john deere blocked the right to repair if tractors, which points to hp not allowing people to buy printers?

like, disney offered a subscription to a service that it “monitors”. if you pay them a $20/mo, you can watch their catalog, but you have to be connected to the internet, and they know what you watch. the absolute horror. 

 

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

As I understand Deere has proprietary software on their equipment that they don’t allow anyone but dealers to maintain or repair.  I believe that then prevents parts maintenance either formally or informally.

They're both using the same intellectual property slight of hand and abuse of the DMCA wherein they encrypt all the connections and put a chip in things that don't need a chip - like in the axle for your tractor or in your ink cartridge - that adds no functionality and solely exists to limit functionality to the spec of the manufacturer and guarantee that NOTHING else but an OEM part will work on it. 

Since it's encrypted, breaking that encryption to add your own parts is a violation of the DMCA and you could find your ass getting sued. JD has not yet taken this route because suing your customers is a bad look, but they've been fighting right to repair laws tooth and nail.

 

HP and JD are both strong opponents of right to repair, because they would much rather have a monopoly on all service in perpetuity on the products they sell - and have the threat of legal penalty if anyone dares to repair something on their own

[Parliament 14597]

Deere sells you the hardware (cast iron, tires, pistons, etc.) but retains the software you need for the engine and transmission.

No problem until it’s time to fix it.  Your service guy needs to fix plug his laptop into it and read the problem codes.  Deere got real uppity about who they’d license that software too.  Only wanted their dealers to have it.  Royal might correct me, but I think Deere has walked that back some?  Letting farmers and independent mechanics license the repair software?

[MonkeyDoughnut 10803]

24 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

I just wanna know if i read his assertion correctly: john deere blocked the right to repair if tractors, which points to hp not allowing people to buy printers?

like, disney offered a subscription to a service that it “monitors”. if you pay them a $20/mo, you can watch their catalog, but you have to be connected to the internet, and they know what you watch. the absolute horror. 

HP already said buy our printer use our ink or 3rd party - not as good ink (their words, not actuality)... then they released a firmware that prevented the use of third party ink, have to use HP ink. Now they are offering a subscription service after publically stating on a shareholder call - "Subscription service offers a 20% upside per customer to our bottom line. Our goal to to move 100% to printing as a subscription."  Guess what a future firmware update is going to do..... (to the printer you already own btw)

[InkaUtexas 26884]

First time I ran into this was working with Mercedes  Actros Trucks. We were working with the suppliers for food and medical aid going into Iraq. The distribution company only used Mercedes Actros. As trucks broke down in Iraq, they had to be brought back to Kuwait for maintenance. Well shit, no one on the team could do it in house. There was only 1 authorized dealer in country. So we had to include Mercedes into the team to use their computers and software, which tied us direct to their spare parts inventory.

We went to the UN and asked if we could start utilizing other trucks. Nope, your agreement states Actros, so that is what you are using. Ended up costing a lot more for each trip cutting down into the aid we could move.

[Captainant 28538]

Just now, InkaUtexas said:

We went to the UN and asked if we could start utilizing other trucks. Nope, your agreement states Actros, so that is what you are using. Ended up costing a lot more for each trip cutting down into the aid we could move.

Yeah, but just think of the profits that went to the shareholders! They needed those funds more than the folks you were distributing aid to, it's not like they had quarterly sales goals (that they made up) to hit!

[NeverMarryAStripper 22297]

They also are requiring that it be connected to the internet continuously so they can monitor you

[RDCanecutter 26885]

10 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

We went to the UN and asked if we could start utilizing other trucks.

I think I see the problem, amigo...

[Captainant 28538]

A funny thought that came to me is that all the folks who are most voiciferously licking the corporate boot are typically also the most "WOOOHOOO FREEDOMFLAGEAGLE" folks on the site. But when you look at what corporations are doing with their enshittification - arbitrarily ramping up prices, adding new taxes and fees with no reason, new constraints on using their property, etc etc - it is striking similar to much of the American Colonial gripes towards the british crown prior to our nation's birth. 

Why is that when our forefathers resorted to property crime to express their grievance at being exploited, it was virtuous and their cause was just - but today things are exactly the opposite just because it's a corporation exploiting us? It's the same end result to Joe Public's life.

 

Very very strange stuff.

[InkaUtexas 26884]

Just now, RDCanecutter said:

I think I see the problem, amigo...

On contracts you have to ask for modernization. We had to show each mile ran and VIN number. That was why repairs were so important. Shit, we were hauling back trucks hit by IED's and had a brigade of Sri Lankan mechanic to do body work but Germans to do anything electronic.

[Royalfan5 2384]

35 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Deere sells you the hardware (cast iron, tires, pistons, etc.) but retains the software you need for the engine and transmission.

No problem until it’s time to fix it.  Your service guy needs to fix plug his laptop into it and read the problem codes.  Deere got real uppity about who they’d license that software too.  Only wanted their dealers to have it.  Royal might correct me, but I think Deere has walked that back some?  Letting farmers and independent mechanics license the repair software?

It's been walked back, Farm Bureau really latched on to that. It's kind of a weird divide because the guys shelling out for a bunch on new green paint are absolutely not doing anything beyond basic maintenance themselves anyway, but it's the guy running at 8410 and 9660 that's worried he's going to pay for the mega-dealership building if something is beyond him. Also you a bit of this probably has to do with all the stolen RTK receivers and such floating around too.  

[MissingInAction 25556]

I've deleted all social media accounts except Instagram because of the attention whores showing the goods.

[Braff Zacklin 13676]

14 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

I've deleted all social media accounts except Instagram because of the attention whores showing the goods.

Oh, fuck off. Your OF is still up and running and, from what I can see, you're still showing the goods.

Now pucker up and bust out those Sharpies!

[MissingInAction 25556]

3 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Oh, fuck off. Your OF is still up and running and, from what I can see, you're still showing the goods.

Now pucker up and bust out those Sharpies!

Jet ski ain't gonna buy itself.

[Braff Zacklin 13676]

2 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Jet ski ain't gonna buy itself.

Fair enough. Re-subbed.

[F250 29201]

On 3/4/2024 at 11:39 AM, InkaUtexas said:

Yep, I run a team working in New Zealand, Kenya, Spain and DC. We work timezones quite a bit. So it means some days I barely sleep, others I get to fuck off and go to the river. I take a lot of naps during the day though. Wife is just starting to get used to me falling asleep around 5PM for a few hours.

I have people spread out across the globe too. Sometimes I have to deal with shit in India, Japan or Australia and end up burning the midnight oil.

Europe isn't too bad unless I have to deal with corporate on the West coast the same day. That's where I end up starting at 5 AM and finishing up around 7 PM. However, I often get several hours off in between the Euros going offline and the Californians coming back from lunch.

Every now and then I'll take a 5 PM nap until APAC comes online.

 

[Nicole44 22315]

Well I went to the O’Reilly Auto Parts website and in the search engine on their site I typed in:

121g

you will thank me later, maybe?
 

When it is back in stock I am getting the fuck out of here. Seems pretty simple from the instructions they left. O’Reilly Auto Parts is aware of the enshittening. They want to help. 
 

 

Edited March 5 by Nicole44

[52-80 19377]

3 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

HP already said buy our printer use our ink or 3rd party - not as good ink (their words, not actuality)... then they released a firmware that prevented the use of third party ink, have to use HP ink. Now they are offering a subscription service after publically stating on a shareholder call - "Subscription service offers a 20% upside per customer to our bottom line. Our goal to to move 100% to printing as a subscription."  Guess what a future firmware update is going to do..... (to the printer you already own btw)

HP didn’t say in this in their previous shareholder call. And they didnt say that in the one prior to that. 

https://s2.q4cdn.com/602190090/files/doc_financials/2024/q1/q1-2024-earnings-call-transcript-28-february-2024.pdf

https://s2.q4cdn.com/602190090/files/doc_earnings/2023/q4/transcript/q423-earnings-transcript-final.pdf

Disclaimer number 9 on the existing HP+ Ink Plus subscription is here - so what *is* future firmware going to do to your existing printer?

Quote

1. Change or cancel anytime: Change or cancel your plan at any time online. If you decide to cancel your HP Instant Ink you can go back to using HP original Standard or XL cartridges

By the way, literally every inkjet manufacturer says to use their own ink. My professional grade Epson photo printer says so. Its from 10 years ago. Check yours - it will say the same. For one, its because ink is fussy as fuck. They clog, they bleed, they vaporize, and that is why they void warranty if you use 3rd party ink. And that is same the clause for ALL inkjet printers from ALL manufacturers. 

Beside, you dont have to buy a HP subscription. You dont have to buy an HP printer. Hell, you dont even have to buy an inkjet printer.

In fact, run a search on this website for “printer recommendation”, and you’ll see 9 out of 10 responses suggesting a Brother laser printer. Including from *me*. Run a search on across the web and you’ll see the exact same thing. Thats the choice you have. That is the open market that allows products to compete on their merits and determines whether their subscription idea is good or bad. The company doesnt determine that — the collective consumers determine it. 
 

[Incredulity 11876]

3 hours ago, Captainant said:

adding new taxes and fees with no reason

Cognitive dissonance level 1000