Everything is Shit: Tracking the Great Enshittening

[Nicole44 22315]

This is kinda shitty (so it belongs here bc enshittening) but which one of you is this (great name btw):

 

[TwiceHorn 32079]

What is kinda interesting is that what seemed to be a rather unique phenomenon relating to internet provided services or products is really just a near universal expression of entropy or something similar. 

[TwiceHorn 32079]

On 3/13/2024 at 2:55 PM, FirstTimeCaller said:

Anyone else never update apps on their phone? If I have something that is glitchy, I'm going to delete it, not update it.

If it works, I don't want to update and find that it's been "updated" with a user experience that now sucks. Used to use a podcast app that I liked. Updated it and it started showing ads all the time. Nooooope.

Hahaha yeah, long ago, I looked forward to OS updates on devices and app updates. Now they come with a sense of dread. 

[mdmost 44037]

Chick-fil-a about to enshit their chicken.

Chick-Fil-A backtracks from its no-antibiotics-in-chicken pledge, blames projected supply shortages

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Updated 5:44 PM CDT, March 24, 2024

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ATLANTA (AP) — The fast-food chain Chick-Fil-A backtracked from its decade-old “no antibiotics ever” pledge intended to help prevent human antibiotic resistance linked to the rampant use of the drugs in livestock production.

Instead, the company said in a statement that it will embrace a standard known as “no antibiotics important to human medicine,” often abbreviated as NAIHM, which entails the avoidance of medications commonly used to treat people and limits the use of animal antibiotics to cases of actual animal illness.

Livestock producers have long used antibiotics to boost rapid weight gain in animals such as chickens, pigs, cows and sheep, improving the profitability of their businesses. Over the past decade, however, many nations, including the United States, have begun to restrict the practice as evidence mounted that it was contributing to drug resistance and reducing the effectiveness of antibiotics against disease in humans.

Chick-Fil-A said it will begin shifting to the new policy in the spring of 2024. A company spokesman added that the move reflects company concerns about its ability to acquire sufficient supplies of antibiotic-free chicken. One of the poultry industry’s largest companies, Tyson Foods, said last year that it was reintroducing some antibiotics to its chicken production and removing its “No Antibiotics Ever” package labeling. It began to eliminate antibiotics from some of its poultry production in 2015.

In a May 2023 video featured on the Tyson Foods YouTube channel, Tyson’s senior director of animal welfare, Karen Christensen, described the shift as “based on scientific research and industry learnings.” She noted that Tyson planned to begin using antibiotics known as ionophores, which don’t play a role in human medicine, to “improve the overall health and welfare of the birds in our care.” Ionophores have long been used to promote growth in livestock.

  

by Taboola 

[atomheartbevo 90646]

17 minutes ago, mdmost said:

improve the overall health and welfare of the birds in our care

That’s what they are?

[SimonBolivar 11064]

I like to follow tornado warnings this time of year and local news stations are obligated to cover tornado warnings in their area. On the broadcast side with rabbit ears/cable/YouTubeTV/etc they keep the coverage going without interruption. Well, there's an alarming trend now that while streaming through their website you first have to sit through commercials like you would any other news story.

 

There is something profoundly American about waiting through a furniture sale ad to see if the F5 is going to hit your house or not.

[TwiceHorn 32079]

24 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

I like to follow tornado warnings this time of year and local news stations are obligated to cover tornado warnings in their area. On the broadcast side with rabbit ears/cable/YouTubeTV/etc they keep the coverage going without interruption. Well, there's an alarming trend now that while streaming through their website you first have to sit through commercials like you would any other news story.

 

There is something profoundly American about waiting through a furniture sale ad to see if the F5 is going to hit your house or not.

I think the various weather reporting outlets may be "over reporting" severe weather for clicks.  It may just be the weird weather patterns, but it often seems like they make things more dire than they actually are.  Of course, the Storm Prediction Center can make that easy and I don't think they're angling for clicks.

[SimonBolivar 11064]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think the various weather reporting outlets may be "over reporting" severe weather for clicks.  It may just be the weird weather patterns, but it often seems like they make things more dire than they actually are.  Of course, the Storm Prediction Center can make that easy and I don't think they're angling for clicks.

Oh yeah certainly there is some of that. It used to be that they'd only be live during tornado warnings, but I've seen more and more start to break away to live coverage of severe thunderstorm warnings. There's a station in Baton Rouge today that has declared the whole day a "First Alert Weather Day" where they have coverage going. Now they did have a storm roll in with 80mph straight-line winds, so it probably needed to be covered, but they had the whole system ready to go for that.

[Captainant 28538]

28 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think the various weather reporting outlets may be "over reporting" severe weather for clicks.  It may just be the weird weather patterns, but it often seems like they make things more dire than they actually are.  Of course, the Storm Prediction Center can make that easy and I don't think they're angling for clicks.

When the core intent is not to inform the public, but to make money on advertisements it's not hard to see how perverse incentives can inevitably steer things in this direction. It'll take deaths from missing critical safety information like an impending tornado for anything to actually change

Edited April 10 by Captainant

[Murfdogg21 4563]

17 hours ago, Captainant said:

When the core intent is not to inform the public, but to make money on advertisements it's not hard to see how perverse incentives can inevitably steer things in this direction. It'll take deaths from missing critical safety information like an impending tornado for anything to actually change

Except it won’t change. Society jumped the shark of faux sensationalism sometime after the dawn of the internet. Every storm is the deadliest ever. Applies to everything, not just weather. Most people don’t take it seriously, but gotta get clicks from the people who do. 

[Homercles 10206]

Anyone else remember when monetization of the web was a real concern?  

Now it’s all…

[RDCanecutter 26885]

On 3/13/2024 at 7:36 PM, Braff Zacklin said:

Or, and sadly just as likely, a cover story for confiscated drugs that went missing.

I see you making detective ahead of time.

[immamac 44346]

This video is SO WELL DONE. If any lay person is struggling to understand what is happening please send them this video. 

 

[BurntEyes 6311]

On 3/13/2024 at 7:36 PM, Braff Zacklin said:

Or, and sadly just as likely, a cover story for confiscated drugs that went missing.

Yeah, it wasn't rodents that consumed that weed.

[Captainant 28538]

Not sure if it goes here or in a cyber attack thread or where, but it's crazy that the 911 system was offline for a while last night in Texas (and a few other states)

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/911-outage-reported-across-multiple-us-states-officials-say-2024-04-18/

That system has so many redundancies (on paper at least) it's crazy that it went offline for any period of time 

Edited April 18 by Captainant

[wild_turkey 3296]

Perhaps this has been discussed, but the internet in general is a much worse place to navigate. Almost every webpage now requires you to acknowledge cookies, but the popups are sometimes slow to load and it delays your ability to start using the site. I think as a global society we should all come to an understanding that cookies are implied by being on the internet. And then once you get beyond the cookies, almost any website that sells stuff will try to get you to sign up for their emails to save 10% or whatever, so that's another popup to click through before you can use the page, even if you are already an established customer on the email list. It's ridiculous.

[Brisketexan 106894]

1 minute ago, wild_turkey said:

Perhaps this has been discussed, but the internet in general is a much worse place to navigate. Almost every webpage now requires you to acknowledge cookies, but the popups are sometimes slow to load and it delays your ability to start using the site. I think as a global society we should all come to an understanding that cookies are implied by being on the internet. And then once you get beyond the cookies, almost any website that sells stuff will try to get you to sign up for their emails to save 10% or whatever, so that's another popup to click through before you can use the page, even if you are already an established customer on the email list. It's ridiculous.

This.  Someone somewhere got the message of "hey....when people show up on your site to maybe buy something....totally stop them and interrupt the experience with a "sign up for our email list" email that has the tiniest x in the history of the world to close it.  Because we don't want them to actually look at our product's page and buy it.  We want to annoy the fuck out of them before they can buy anything."  It's fucking maddening.

[Fudge Nuggets 19455]

21 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

Perhaps this has been discussed, but the internet in general is a much worse place to navigate. Almost every webpage now requires you to acknowledge cookies, but the popups are sometimes slow to load and it delays your ability to start using the site. I think as a global society we should all come to an understanding that cookies are implied by being on the internet. And then once you get beyond the cookies, almost any website that sells stuff will try to get you to sign up for their emails to save 10% or whatever, so that's another popup to click through before you can use the page, even if you are already an established customer on the email list. It's ridiculous.

The best one is when you specifically search out the "Don't send me your fucking daily spam emails" checkbox, make sure that it's activated and you still receive their "fucking daily spam emails".

[bschoolprof 6341]

accepting cookies and no tipping should simply be part of the social contract.  

[Captainant 28538]

3 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

accepting cookies and no tipping should simply be part of the social contract.  

Web browser cookies are nicely handled with Firefox's tab containers for browser data. Makes a nice little sandbox for each session that undercuts the mechanism entirely 

[Bevo 13890]

6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Web browser cookies are nicely handled with Firefox's tab containers for browser data. Makes a nice little sandbox for each session that undercuts the mechanism entirely 

Show me how that works.

 

[HenryJames 67359]

On 4/16/2024 at 9:50 AM, immamac said:

This video is SO WELL DONE. If any lay person is struggling to understand what is happening please send them this video. 

 

 

Fun thread. 

[huge 3831]

The online wine retailer I use has gone from free to $1 to $5 to $20 shipping on cases.

Does that qualify?  The wine is great and inexpensive for what it is so I continue to buy.

[Hank Kingsley 21784]

 

[HenryJames 67359]

[Brisketexan 106894]

3 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Just what we all need.....AI nagging.

[HenryJames 67359]

Cool how much time we spend just avoiding scams. 

[HenryJames 67359]

50 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Fortunately it only takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce such shit.

[Parliament 14597]

Better than any Marvel movie since Endgame.

[Deej 77820]

On 5/8/2024 at 12:37 PM, Fudge Nuggets said:

The best one is when you specifically search out the "Don't send me your fucking daily spam emails" checkbox, make sure that it's activated and you still receive their "fucking daily spam emails".

The opt out thing is a scam. Just lets them know someone is on the other end checking their email.

[BurntEyes 6311]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

"No... wait don't go!"

Based on that trailer and dialog alone, I'd have no interest if Cillian Murphy and Emma Stone were the leads and it was directed by James Cameron. 

 

[BurntEyes 6311]

36 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Fortunately it only takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce such shit.

And money. I'd love to know the budget and then compare that to a series of lower budget indy films at Sundance, SWSX or Nice Intentional.

Wager that for 10× the money the product is significantly worse.

Enshittification indeed 

[Captainant 28538]

2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Reminds me of when the AI generated Seinfeld was running on Twitch

Edited May 9 by Captainant

[Fudge Nuggets 19455]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

The opt out thing is a scam. Just lets them know someone is on the other end checking their email.

I’m talking about when you purchase something off their website. Of course someone is on the other end. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

4 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Yes, that sucks. AI movies suck…now

The same with current robots. They suck…now 

Computers in the 60s sucked. Hell they sucked in the 90s. 
 

They will get better. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 22297]

I remember back when sci-fi stories used to imagine a world where robots did all of the menial tasks, and humans could spend their time creating art.  It looks like they got it backwards.

[Captain Ron 13133]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Yes, that sucks. AI movies suck…now

The same with current robots. They suck…now 

Computers in the 60s sucked. Hell they sucked in the 90s. 
 

They will get better. 

AI in its current form will never understand humor or sadness or drama or any emotion. It knows what WAS those things, because of key words/tagging. But it doesn’t understand the feelings elicited from something.

I really question that it will ever be able to churn out a truly original script of any quality. 

[Hank Kingsley 21784]

19 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

AI in its current form will never understand humor or sadness or drama or any emotion. It knows what WAS those things, because of key words/tagging. But it doesn’t understand the feelings elicited from something.

I really question that it will ever be able to churn out a truly original script of any quality. 

It won't. 

But the younger generations might be so inundated with technology and lack of real human connection that they won't know any better. That's the frightening part. 

 

[Bert Orange 1173]

I’m eagerly awaiting the first successful AI roast. Then I’ll buy in. 

[Parliament 14597]

2 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

AI in its current form will never understand humor or sadness or drama or any emotion. It knows what WAS those things, because of key words/tagging. But it doesn’t understand the feelings elicited from something.

I really question that it will ever be able to churn out a truly original script of any quality. 

Hallmark Christmas movies.

[Neonmoon 38130]

2 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

AI in its current form will never understand humor or sadness or drama or any emotion. It knows what WAS those things, because of key words/tagging. But it doesn’t understand the feelings elicited from something.

I really question that it will ever be able to churn out a truly original script of any quality. 

“In its current form” is doing a lot of work here 

Technology gets better. Always has 

[Captain Ron 13133]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

“In its current form” is doing a lot of work here 

Technology gets better. Always has 

Ok. Fine. Let me be a little clearer.

AI will not have feeling. We are not even close to that right now.

All any of these AI's are simply just prediction models. In the text (dialog) versions they simply predict what the next word in a sentence should be. In the picture ones they "know" what you asked for and they use that to predict their next pixel and reiterate until they generate what you asked for. Video is the same thing on a larger level.

But these AIs have no models of what anything is. They simply know concepts because they are told what they are. Someone feeds this picture into Dall-E with the tag LOVE:

AI doesn't know why that's love. Just that two people sitting face to face on a couch = LOVE.

That can also be:

Woman touching man's hair = LOVE

or  Leather Couch in a white room = LOVE

or Blue fingernails = LOVE

hell it might read this like Woman assaulting man with a headbutt = LOVE

Our current and very limited AIs have no idea what LOVE is. And this goes with all feelings. They have no models of them: sadness, uncomfortableness, creepiness, etc.

Here's a scene anyone on this site gets:

 

Why? Because the writing is top notch. Someone writing this said : Ok, we're going to have this scene where Tommy is telling stories and making everyone laugh and Henry is going to say something about how great the story is because it's funny and for KICKS Tommy is going to change his tone pretend to be offended and make everyone uncomfortable until Henry calls him on it.

You can tell a prompt - make a scene LIKE this.

Hey Video Maker AI: Generate a scene like the "Am I a clown?" scene in goodfellas.

But you can't feed my prompt into it and get anything original that is a fraction of the emotional response that this scene gets from you. Why? Because an AI doesn't know how to make you uncomfortable. Hell, and AI can't generate an original joke to even open up this scene. 

 

 

So I might be letting something sit on "In its current form" to do some heavy lifting - because I know pretty well what the current form of this AI is really doing. And it has ZERO concept of what reality is. It just knows:

some input = TAGS that people put on that input and it runs from there. Those inputs might be 1,000,000,000 pictures or books or videos, but it's simple association. And that is a far cry from being able to come up with anything like this:

 

 

Ok, it might understand that K's are funny, but only if someone add that as a tag on jokes that include hard K sounds.

 

But again going back to the start of this - 

AI will not have feeling. We aren't even close to that right now.

I'm not even sure we are in the same galaxy for AI to be able to generate something original with feeling.

[Captain Ron 13133]

2 hours ago, Parliament said:

Hallmark Christmas movies.

You know this is a good example of why AI will fail for a long time. These movies are seen as pure schlock because in most cases they are extremely derivative of prior works. That is all that AI generated films will be, derivative works of likely everything.

Hallmark films “work” because they use every trope that’s been used before and markets show they work. AI films, in the current models, will be no different. 

[HornOnTheBayou 9062]

11 hours ago, Bert Orange said:

I’m eagerly awaiting the first successful AI roast. Then I’ll buy in. 

"Hey everyone, it's great to be here tonight. Oh look, I see HAL 9000 is in the crowd. Everyone give HAL a round of applause. Great guy, did so much for us AI computers. But I tell you, 2001 was so boring that by the end I was hoping he would launch me into space. Ha ha! Am I right, people?"

[Hank Kingsley 21784]

 

[immamac 44346]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

So the interesting part about this is the way people are talking about AI now because it has somehow made technology relatable/understandable to the masses. 

This was always the end state of dating apps. An algorithm that uses all available data to predict the best probability of a compatible match between 2 users. 

Now they are just saying it's AI because people are too stupid to understand how computers work.

[BurntEyes 6311]

13 minutes ago, immamac said:

So the interesting part about this is the way people are talking about AI now because it has somehow made technology relatable/understandable to the masses. 

This was always the end state of dating apps. An algorithm that uses all available data to predict the best probability of a compatible match between 2 users. 

Now they are just saying it's AI because people are too stupid to understand how computers work.

Yes, that available data being your "likes", "connections" and follow up "would you date them again" data to narrow the selection pool of candidates.

[Parliament 14597]

10 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

You know this is a good example of why AI will fail for a long time. These movies are seen as pure schlock because in most cases they are extremely derivative of prior works. That is all that AI generated films will be, derivative works of likely everything.

Hallmark films “work” because they use every trope that’s been used before and markets show they work. AI films, in the current models, will be no different. 

How many people want a movie that’s more than that?  For every Oppenheimer/Barbie ticket bought how many Transformers tickets sell?

And look at the rich IP.  There have been like 11 Star Wars movies and how many TV series made by real people.  You tell Chat GTP, “Watch all the Star Wars there is and create a sequel movie.”  Compare that movie to the recent human-made iterations and would it be much worse?  Would the streamers buy it just to fill up “content?”

Or tell it to watch all the actual prestige TV serieses (Breaking Bad, Mad Men, etc.).  You don’t think AI couldn’t make shows as good as CSI?  Again, all it costs is a Chat GTP license and the electricity to run the computer.  Gotta be cheaper than an actual CSI season.

Edited May 10 by Parliament

[Brisketexan 106894]

24 minutes ago, immamac said:

So the interesting part about this is the way people are talking about AI now because it has somehow made technology relatable/understandable to the masses. 

This was always the end state of dating apps. An algorithm that uses all available data to predict the best probability of a compatible match between 2 users. 

Now they are just saying it's AI because people are too stupid to understand how computers work.

I mean....let's not pretend that the AI/algorithm has to do a lot of heavy lifting.  For example, if I was to get on a dating site, within about 5 minutes, the algorithm would say "yeah, yeah, I get it -- I should just show you middle-aged brunettes with great tits."

[BabaYaga 15625]

21 minutes ago, immamac said:

So the interesting part about this is the way people are talking about AI now because it has somehow made technology relatable/understandable to the masses. 

This was always the end state of dating apps. An algorithm that uses all available data to predict the best probability of a compatible match between 2 users. 

Now they are just saying it's AI because people are too stupid to understand how computers work.

Every person on social media "should" understand how these algorithms work as their "feed" is in the end result of all this AI data.