Everything is Shit: Tracking the Great Enshittening

hayden_horn · January 8

lol at the torchys stans in here. talk about pinche gringo tacos.

Samson's Wig · January 8

Love all the bending over backwards to justify theft over the last couple of pages. I wouldn't have said anything about the $100 mistake either, but that's because I'm a flawed individual, and I don't really give a shit. Pretending like you're not a thief when you're blatantly a thief is ridiculous. Just own it. The extremely weak attempts at justifying the behavior (mostly not from the poster who committed the act) are ridiculous but entertaining to read.

The enshittening isn't just happening to corporations and their products/services. It's happening to all of us. But one thing has remained constant through the history of mankind: we'll come up with any half-assed justification to get one over on others, whether it's the tribe in the next valley or the "evil" corporation down at the shopping center. It all boils down to some version of, "They do something that I consider bad, and therefore it doesn't matter if I treat them poorly." It's the same weird instinct that makes people more likely to break into vehicles that have messy interiors or to litter on a street that already has graffiti sprayed on the buildings. We justify our own bad actions by the bad actions of others. It's ethically bankrupt but hardwired into our subconscious.

Torchy's is bad tourist food.

Bevo · January 8

Torchy's is good fast food.

11 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

I wouldn't have said anything about the $100 mistake either, but that's because I'm a flawed individual, and I don't really give a shit.

If too many people act this way, it leads to a pretty fucked up society. I work in a service industry so I have to deal with it every day and I can guarantee that that sort of attitude is detrimental to others. Luckily there are still some others who try a little kindness and sort of make up for the rest. Unfortunately, it is much easier to remember the one asshole and forget about the 20 regular folk.

Brisketexan · January 8

8 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

lol at the torchys stans in here. talk about pinche gringo tacos.

2 hours ago, Samson's Wig said:

Torchy's is bad tourist food.

FFS, both of these. There are literally 100 taco trailers in gas station parking lots around town with better - and priced-right - tacos available. F'n Torchy's....what the fuck?

Schulz2.0 · January 8

8 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

pinche gringo tacos.

But some of us are pinche gringos!

Mrs Whiggins · January 8

32 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

FFS, both of these. There are literally 100 taco trailers in gas station parking lots around town with better - and priced-right - tacos available. F'n Torchy's....what the fuck?

First, I don't live where you do so my choices are slightly amended by that number. Second, if I want a nice barbacoa taco or a really good lunch plate with a killer salsa verde I will go to the mom and pop taqueria within a half mile of my house. Torchy's has the odd taco (like the Mr. Orange) that my mom and pop place aren't interested in serving and that's also fine. They both get my $$ only now it looks like I'm staying closer to home for all the tacos.

Brisketexan · January 8

Just now, Mrs Whiggins said:

First, I don't live where you do so my choices are slightly amended by that number. Second, if I want a nice barbacoa taco or a really good lunch plate with a killer salsa verde I will go to the mom and pop taqueria within a half mile of my house. Torchy's has the odd taco (like the Mr. Orange) that my mom and pop place aren't interested in serving and that's also fine. They both get my $$ only now it looks like I'm staying closer to home for all the tacos.

The really cool thing I've noticed these past 10 years or so is throughout Texas and much of the west, even small rural towns that you wouldn't expect to have a taco trailer....now have a taco trailer, or a taqueria (often in a building that used to be a Pizza Hut or a DQ). And they're legit. It's pretty cool when you go to Redneckville, Texas, and you end up meeting your witness or client at a taqueria that 1) serves real-deal good mexican grub (carne guisada, barbacoa, real salsas, etc.) and 2) has tables full of white farmers drinking coffee and ordering "way-voes rancheros" and such. It's always funny when you sit down to breakfast with Jimmy Earl and he says "hey, have you ever had this carney geesada stuff? It's really damned good here." Damn right it is. Peace and understanding through tasty, affordable messican food -- that's my platform.

Goredho · January 8

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

The really cool thing I've noticed these past 10 years or so is throughout Texas and much of the west, even small rural towns that you wouldn't expect to have a taco trailer....now have a taco trailer, or a taqueria (often in a building that used to be a Pizza Hut or a DQ). And they're legit. It's pretty cool when you go to Redneckville, Texas, and you end up meeting your witness or client at a taqueria that 1) serves real-deal good mexican grub (carne guisada, barbacoa, real salsas, etc.) and 2) has tables full of white farmers drinking coffee and ordering "way-voes rancheros" and such. It's always funny when you sit down to breakfast with Jimmy Earl and he says "hey, have you ever had this carney geesada stuff? It's really damned good here." Damn right it is. Peace and understanding through tasty, affordable messican food -- that's my platform.

safe sex · January 8

I'm a basic white girl and their queso slaps. Their tacos are fine for what they are. Hope they don't get rid of the Crossroads 🤷‍♀️

January 8

14 hours ago, troph said:

That’s what they told me When I ordered it and they said no more, ever. Fuck private equity.

Sounds like the perfect opportunity for their customers to offer a correction.

mdmost · January 8

3 minutes ago, safe sex said:

I'm a basic white girl and their queso slaps. Their tacos are fine for what they are. Hope they don't get rid of the Crossroads 🤷‍♀️

Right. It's an easy option of something the entire family can enjoy. Wife gets a Fried Avocado, kids get breakfast tacos, we all get the yummy queso. Apparently something not enshitting is Surly ability to shit on something people enjoy. That's still going strong after all these years.

safe sex · January 8

Them being bought by private equity probably closes the door on my dream of them putting the Chile Wagon (this month's TotM) on the permanent menu, goddammit

CooterBrown · January 8

The only two tacos worth a shit were the Double Wide, which hasn't been seen in years, and the off menu Ace of Spades. If there's no more sausage, there's no more Ace of Spades. Lemmy sad.

Edited January 8 by CooterBrown

mdmost · January 8

I miss the Turkey Mole taco they would do every November.

Parliament · January 8

Buffalo Wild Wings went to crap when Arby’s bought them.

Helobious · January 8

Jesus fucking christ you guys have strong feelings about very expensive, very shitty food. Torchys? Buffalo Wild Wings?

texasdago · January 8

First... Tacodeli > Torchy's

Second... Mr. Orange was one of the tacos where I didn't feel guilty eating it since it wasn't a calorie bomb. My other go-to was The Democrat and correct me if I'm wrong but that's the barbacoa, right? FML.

Samson's Wig · January 8

5 hours ago, Bevo said:

Torchy's is good fast food.

If too many people act this way, it leads to a pretty fucked up society. I work in a service industry so I have to deal with it every day and I can guarantee that that sort of attitude is detrimental to others. Luckily there are still some others who try a little kindness and sort of make up for the rest. Unfortunately, it is much easier to remember the one asshole and forget about the 20 regular folk.

I agree. I was employing a rhetorical technique, perhaps poorly. You left out the rest of my post, which made it clear I don't think that behavior is acceptable.

safe sex · January 8

10 minutes ago, texasdago said:

First... Tacodeli > Torchy's

Second... Mr. Orange was one of the tacos where I didn't feel guilty eating it since it wasn't a calorie bomb. My other go-to was The Democrat and correct me if I'm wrong but that's the barbacoa, right? FML.

Yeah the Democrat is the barbacoa (and they claim it's under 200kcal). Pour one out..

CooterBrown · January 8

12 minutes ago, texasdago said:

First... Tacodeli > Torchy's

A fight among regards.

texasdago · January 8

47 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

A fight among regards.

The picosito and the delibelly think you suck.

Bevo · January 8

7 minutes ago, texasdago said:

The picosito and the delibelly think you suck.

Some people just prefer lobster and filet mignon for lunch

F250 · January 8

3 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Torchy's has the odd taco (like the Mr. Orange) that my mom and pop place aren't interested in serving and that's also fine.

This. I don't consume meat very often and prefer fish tacos. Most Mexican places do not serve fish tacos or serve a tasteless tilapia version. The Mr. Orange always hits the spot for me. Plus it's convenient. There are some Baja and Mexican seafood restaurants that make better fish tacos but those are out of the way.

Sandman · January 8

On 1/2/2024 at 4:32 PM, Zepol87 said:

I return shit to Costco all the time when I’m tired of using it. Need some new couches so I’m getting ready to return these ones also. Fuck off

30 years ago, I worked at a sporting goods chain. A guy came in with an old-ass 1980s microwave and said "I'd like to retun this". We told him we don't sell microwaves, so no chance he bought it here. He just put it on the floor and walked out. The manager put it in the dumpster about a month later.

nolongerU2horn · January 8

On 1/5/2024 at 4:05 PM, BeardIP said:

For all the Costco talk, they are getting their flowers on social media and news outlets for the right way to respond and handle your employees unionizing. It seems everything they do is gold to people

Guadaloopy · January 8

1 hour ago, nolongerU2horn said:

God, this is exhausting. You know what else balances out a power dynamic? One side valuing the other and voluntarily ceding power to that other side, which by almost all accounts is what Costco management has historically done with their employees. Costco has demonstrated in the real world that a cooperative relationship between corporate leadership and employees can actually exist and be relatively successful.

Rather than applaud it and treat it as a model to be emulated, labor pundits slap on the "union-busting" label. In their minds, an adversarial relationship between labor and management is the only possible solution. Well, I guess it is the only possible solution that puts a paycheck into organizers' pockets. Heaven forbid that we all actually try to figure out a way to work together rather than keep each other in check with the threat of mutually assured destruction.

Edited January 8 by Guadaloopy

Don Johnson · January 8

I heard when @Homercles needs a new set of tires, he just rents a car from Avis, trades out the tires with his and returns the rental.

Brisketexan · January 8

25 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

I heard when @Homercles needs a new set of tires, he just rents a car from Avis, trades out the tires with his and returns the rental.

NotActuallyALonghorn · January 9

9 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

The only two tacos worth a shit were the Double Wide, which hasn't been seen in years, and the off menu Ace of Spades. If there's no more sausage, there's no more Ace of Spades. Lemmy sad.

Ace of Spades was my jam. This makes me sad

troph · January 9

10 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

The only two tacos worth a shit were the Double Wide, which hasn't been seen in years, and the off menu Ace of Spades. If there's no more sausage, there's no more Ace of Spades. Lemmy sad.

Apparently the Secret menu is going the route of the dodo bird too.

* I get it, there are better tacos. Add that to the list of the great enshitification

YChang · January 9

Huh, who knew Slorch was a Kantian at heart?

Incredulity · January 9

7 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

God, this is exhausting. You know what else balances out a power dynamic? One side valuing the other and voluntarily ceding power to that other side, which by almost all accounts is what Costco management has historically done with their employees. Costco has demonstrated in the real world that a cooperative relationship between corporate leadership and employees can actually exist and be relatively successful.

Rather than applaud it and treat it as a model to be emulated, labor pundits slap on the "union-busting" label. In their minds, an adversarial relationship between labor and management is the only possible solution. Well, I guess it is the only possible solution that puts a paycheck into organizers' pockets. Heaven forbid that we all actually try to figure out a way to work together rather than keep each other in check with the threat of mutually assured destruction.

troph · January 9

13 hours ago, safe sex said:

Them being bought by private equity probably closes the door on my dream of them putting the Chile Wagon (this month's TotM) on the permanent menu, goddammit

That’s a really good taco, for white girl tacos I mean.

utee94 · January 9

One truism about Texans-- pretty much any discussion topic will eventually devolve into an argument about tacos.

Brisketexan · January 9

10 minutes ago, utee94 said:

One truism about Texans-- pretty much any discussion topic will eventually devolve into an argument about tacos.

....or bbq....

Mrs Whiggins · January 9

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

....or bbq....

safe sex · January 9

13 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

....or bbq....

Unreal that that didn't cost him the next election

utee94 · January 9

I mean, I honestly can't tell what that is. Lincoln Riley's brisket looked like a dried out turd of a mummified scarab shell, but you could still tell what it was supposed to be.

That could be-- I don't know-- meatloaf with ketchup? Steaks in a pyrex? Sliced beets?

Mrs Whiggins · January 9

7 minutes ago, utee94 said:

I mean, I honestly can't tell what that is. Lincoln Riley's brisket looked like a dried out turd of a mummified scarab shell, but you could still tell what it was supposed to be.

That could be-- I don't know-- meatloaf with ketchup? Steaks in a pyrex? Sliced beets?

Kinda looks like meatloaf on a stick.

NotActuallyALonghorn · January 10

5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

....or bbq....

Your family tradition?

hayden_horn · February 7

so i've been meaning to make a post about this.

i've likened it the great chiseling. i think that's where we are.

i feel like everything described in this thread is very true and depressing but i think it has something more to do with wealth coalescing at the top, and i think covid accelerated it.

where is all the money going? it's all being funneled out of the working class. as a result, the chiseling. everything has to cost just $5 more for this or $3 for that, here's a microtransaction; fees for concert tickets are like 50% of the total cost now, which should be illegal. is that money going to the artist? very rarely.

i have a feeling that we are in an artificially good economy. it's all a fucking sham. it's simple math.

low unemployment? we have a border crisis! these are both artificial problems. everyone has a side hustle. everyone working two jobs. everyone complains about the tip screen tablet being flipped over, but that's just corporate costs being passed onto the customer. all the money is funneling to the top, as ever, but we've reached a tipping point where the dollars are fewer because wealth is accumulated and just sitting there, doing nothing except act as a societal anchor.

so they (everyone selling something) are chiseling.

pay your workers less, or only just enough, and try to cut every corner in the name of the next quarter's earnings in a similar manner to how mankind has treated the environment.

but i thik it all boils down to the greed and competition of wealth accumulation. who are the shareholders? you? me? our 401ks that we can't access and therefore serve as a bullwark in boosting stock prices? lol. no. i'm not going all bilderburg or whatever here, but i think the competition for fewer and scarcer resources makes people desperate and makes humanity steep in its worst stink.

so everyone is hustling to make it, but no one is getting anywhere.

everyone around me seems to be fixing, and nobody seems to be building.

if any of that makes sense.

hayden_horn · February 7

On 12/28/2023 at 11:14 AM, 956 Worldwide said:

Inspired by news and different threads here, starting a place to track and chronicle the Great Enshittening of the internet. Basically, how the internet (and other industries) are getting terrible, usually because of this process:

We are all familiar with Facebook, and I don’t count Twitter which was made shitty on purpose with no economic rationale. But there is enshittification creep. A few examples:

1. Amazon Prime: Starting in January, you get ads with Prime. And unlike Netflix (also shittified), they aren’t rolling out a discount “ads” package, they will just upsell you for ad-free.

Not just streaming. Anyone else notice the frequent “Get it tomorrow” bait that changes to a different date once it’s in your cart?

2. Google: Google’s search decline is well chronicled, but it’s creeping to other aspects. Google Maps is more and more crap. There’s all the irrelevant paid ads that return hotels and restaurants even when not searching, cluttering the screen. And the photo pins, which don’t tell you about a business but use a worthless photo. Apple Maps is actually better now.

I’m going to be super interested in watching AI platforms. I already think they’re getting enshittified in real time.

also, to build more on the op, the fucking algorithms are not our friends. they are chisels. and they wormhole all the fucking time. when we had to, ahem, recently subscribe to netflix, it was a fucking revelation, because we started a brand new algorithm and discovered all kinds of new shit.

the problem is that the algorithms are just trying to supersize you, not actually engage you. they are trying to get you fat and reliant on their nutrition so they can bilk you once you're hooked.

search and rec isn't about actually helping you, the consumer, any more than this splintering of content has (and i will take a moment to say i told you fucking so on that front, for years, that this would happen), and once you realize that you are just a bank machine for corporations who are increasingly taking withdrawals without making deposits into society. it's not sustainable.

Parliament · February 7

Is this the thread where we can complain about my sports being spread out over >3 services?

Captainant · February 7

15 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

also, to build more on the op, the fucking algorithms are not our friends. they are chisels. and they wormhole all the fucking time. when we had to, ahem, recently subscribe to netflix, it was a fucking revelation, because we started a brand new algorithm and discovered all kinds of new shit.

the problem is that the algorithms are just trying to supersize you, not actually engage you. they are trying to get you fat and reliant on their nutrition so they can bilk you once you're hooked.

search and rec isn't about actually helping you, the consumer, any more than this splintering of content has (and i will take a moment to say i told you fucking so on that front, for years, that this would happen), and once you realize that you are just a bank machine for corporations who are increasingly taking withdrawals without making deposits into society. it's not sustainable.

IMO, the algorithms are just an expression of the real problem which is how easily and freely our personal data is bought and sold, which in turn enables the microtargetting that algorithms are famous for.

NeverMarryAStripper · February 7

23 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Is this the thread where we can complain about my sports being spread out over >3 services?

Don't worry that is being fixed. All sports are going to be amalgamated into one streaming service, so you have to pay out the ass for everything in order to watch the one thing you like.

956 Worldwide · February 7

18 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Don't worry that is being fixed. All sports are going to be amalgamated into one streaming service, so you have to pay out the ass for everything in order to watch the one thing you like.

My disruptive idea is exactly this, you pay just one bill per month and it’s for EVERYTHING. The content—- we will call them “shows”— goes straight to your TV. Most of it is junk and you never watch it but you really want to watch a few things. And you pay one big check to one company, which negotiates with “content creators” for the stuff that comes to your TV.

What do you think?

Foosters · February 7

That depends. Will the porn be de-scrambled?

Brisketexan · February 7

1 hour ago, hayden_horn said:

fees for concert tickets are like 50% of the total cost now, which should be illegal. is that money going to the artist? very rarely.

This captures an extreme version of the phenomenon: massive price add for minimal value-add. "Sure, that $40 Austin FC ticket just cost you $65, but you get the convenience of having it on your phone!!!" Having my ticket on my phone isn't worth $25. For my family of 4, it's not worth $100. Mail me paper fucking tickets, like I used for the first 40 something years of my life, and they worked fine. The Ticketmaster fees were still shit, but they weren't 50%+ added to the ticket price.

I don't mind paying an additional price commensurate with the value-add. Would I pay $5 a ticket for the convenience of it being on my phone? Probably. That's about what that convenience is worth.

There are a jillion other products and services that suffer from this: they have gotten slightly shinier or more convenient....but not nearly in proportion to the massive price increase that comes with them. The only "value" that a shitload of enterprises are "adding" is "the value of charging a shitload of money." They get that because they have a functional monopoly on a segment of the market (want to trade Austin FC tickets? You are REQUIRED to have a Seat Geek account and go through Seat Geek). They CAN charge people out the ass....so they do. If I had the option of trading my Austin FC tickets through Seat Geek, with a $20 transaction fee, or through MegaTicket, for a $10 transaction fee, I'd pick MegaTicket. And, SeatGeek would likely lower its fees when it lost enough business. But even in a duopoly, they price-fix. Both Seat Geek and MegaTicket (if there was such a thing) would charge EXACTLY the same amount.

MBAs haven't made much better, except machines and mechanisms to hoover up dollars out of everyone else's pockets. That's not a market economy functioning efficiently -- that's a market economy in its end stages.

deter · February 8

Why the high price of cucumbers?

52-80 · February 8

11 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

so i've been meaning to make a post about this.

i've likened it the great chiseling. i think that's where we are.

i feel like everything described in this thread is very true and depressing but i think it has something more to do with wealth coalescing at the top, and i think covid accelerated it.

covid era:

https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2021/07/net-worth-gains-in-2020-were-the-largest-for-the-least-wealthy

longer term:

you can change the reference datum yourself: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=EVn4

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