Joe Biden 2024 thread - Dark Brandon Where Art Thou?

[PRONG HORN 3165]

2 hours ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

biden just completely undid his legacy in my eyes. what a corrupt fuck face 

 

 

You mean it wasn't the endless child fondling or incest that did it for you?

 

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13540]

There was always a zero percent chance that Biden wasn’t going to pardon Hunter.

what president is going to walk out of the office without protecting their child?

[PRONG HORN 3165]

5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

There was always a zero percent chance that Biden wasn’t going to pardon Hunter.

what president is going to walk out of the office without protecting their child?

 

Joe was protecting himself just as much if not more.  The pardon starts Jan 1, 2014 up to today.  Everything illegal Joe did through Hunter is also protected now.  

 

 

[workswithseed 2139]

People will whip themselves over this, but this is just an obvious move. 

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13540]

My main question is why now. It could just be a thought of “sooner rather than later” is preferred politically but I’m not sure I see the benefit. Or who knows, maybe Biden realizes that it’s not impossible that he could pass even within the next 2 months.

was something coming up soon with Hunters case that would put him in prison soon?

as far as why pardon Hunter, Hunter is a POS. I have no doubt he committed more crimes that could easily be discovered in the next few years under a Trump doj. 

[Enchubben 5558]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

There was always a zero percent chance that Biden wasn’t going to pardon Hunter.

what president is going to walk out of the office without protecting their child?

This. There was also no need to lie repeatedly about it for months. 

[Willfully Horn 8087]

A pardon carries the presumption of guilt, does it not? If Hunter is guilty, then fucking admit he is guilty, and underscore that accepting a pardon carries an admission of guilt. Drive that message, and roast Hunter while doing so.

[TwiceHorn 31679]

20 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

A pardon carries the presumption of guilt, does it not? If Hunter is guilty, then fucking admit he is guilty, and underscore that accepting a pardon carries an admission of guilt. Drive that message, and roast Hunter while doing so.

No.

As to January 2014, the most common and "default" federal criminal statute of limitations is five years.  The second most common is none, but reserved for homicides, sex crimes, and terrorism.  The third most common is between 5 and 10 years.

So this might seem to be calculated to snag all crimes for which limitations has not run.

Edited 2 hours ago by TwiceHorn

[Willfully Horn 8087]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

No.

You’re a bummer. I guess the SCOTUS saying, in 1915, that acceptance of a pardon carries the admission of guilt no longer makes the matter clear. Color me surprised.

[TwiceHorn 31679]

9 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

You’re a bummer. I guess the SCOTUS saying, in 1915, that acceptance of a pardon carries the admission of guilt no longer makes the matter clear. Color me surprised.

Well, it's a classic case of "obiter dictum."  The question presented in Burdick was whether an unconditional pardon needs to be accepted to be effective.  The prior case of Wilson had established that a conditional pardon must be accepted to be effective, that is, the conditions complied with.

So, the question of guilt, implied, assumed or presumed (presumed in law has a special meaning, it's a substitute for proof), was not before the court.

In speculating why a pardon recipient might wish to reject a pardon, and discussing how a pardon differs from other forms of "clemency," that are effective regardless of acceptance,  the court referred to the "imputation" of guilt and that acceptance might constitute admission or confession of guilt.   Wilson had similarly speculated that the conditions of compliance of a conditional pardon might be more onerous than the penalties for the crime, at least in the eyes of the defendant.

So, the language of the court was not needed to reach its holding and is thus "obiter dictum," and may be ignored.

[Ghost of Shag 2650]

7 hours ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

biden just completely undid his legacy in my eyes. what a corrupt fuck face 

 

the rule of law is the most important thing in this country. we must be the party to uphold it 

 

 

Yes. I can read. Go fuck yourself with this hypocrisy. I can type slower if you're Trump dick sucking ignorant ass needs it.

 

 

 

 

 

Internet tough guy right here, fellas.

Edited 1 hour ago by Ghost of Shag

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2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

My main question is why now. It could just be a thought of “sooner rather than later” is preferred politically but I’m not sure I see the benefit. Or who knows, maybe Biden realizes that it’s not impossible that he could pass even within the next 2 months.

was something coming up soon with Hunters case that would put him in prison soon?

as far as why pardon Hunter, Hunter is a POS. I have no doubt he committed more crimes that could easily be discovered in the next few years under a Trump doj. 

I honestly don’t think that Biden had decided he’d do it until Kamala lost and Trump won.  And I’m ok with that.  Trump spent his entire campaign promising to use all the levers of federal power to get revenge on people.  He named vicious toadies to lead the DOJ, FBI, and IC. All signs point to him doing it. 
 

So yeah, that makes you rethink.  And my only concern here is that Biden won’t go far enough.  He needs to tee up pardons for everyone DJT or a DJT proxy has publicly mentioned for targeting, and likely the entire leadership and select working level people at the FBI, DOJ, and across the IC.

For those who argue in good faith on this (would have once been me) that it’s just playing into his narrative and breaking norms, my response is this:  it’s not a political reality show with no consequences.  More than norms are at stake.  These are real people facing real earth-shattering persecution.  Legal bills alone will ruin you.  Biden has a duty to use every tool to protect people who fulfilled their oath of office with honorable service. He has no obligation to defer to “norms” in the face of an incoming regime that has and will violate all of them. 
 

And to the Trump supporters my response is this: Fuck you. 

[TwiceHorn 31679]

A reminder that Hunter's original plea deal fell apart because it had so many protections in it against a subsequent Trump/GOP administration that it was basically unenforceable.

So, worries about what Trumpco would do to him have been "a thing."  This is the culmination of that thing.

I think, in the absences of that threat, Joe would not have pardoned him.  Joe seems to have learned the lesson of letting an addict suffer consequences and that it is the only way.

[TwiceHorn 31679]

5 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

Joe was protecting himself just as much if not more.  The pardon starts Jan 1, 2014 up to today.  Everything illegal Joe did through Hunter is also protected now.  

 

 

Load of horseshit. 

There's not a shred of evidence Joe committed any crime despite cumhead and gymbo's extensive waste of congressional resources..  Sure, there's tons of evidence that Hunter and other family members tried to cash in on the family name and inferences of influence peddling.  And in light of Trump's people doing the same and successfully enriching themselves, this bothers you now why?

Moreover, assuming Hunter accepts the pardon, he can no longer plead the Fifth in any investigations of Joe.  But, limitations has passed on most crimes Joe could be charged with, if there was evidence of any.

 

[softlynow 1848]

6 hours ago, David Dennison said:

They clear out leadership yet?

They’ll all be dead by the time Junior is crowned and the cult turns on the dynasty. 

[Balcones 312]

8 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

Also, can we get some preemptive pardons for every woman that needs to get an abortion?

State laws and Federal pardons. How do they work?

[DigglerontheHoof 21273]

9 minutes ago, Balcones said:

State laws and Federal pardons. How do they work?

Your dream of persecuting innocent women is alive and well...you fucking cocksucking cunt. 

[Pam Cummings 9697]

I like how we're still pretending to care about this. It's Joeover who the fuck cares?

[WhatTheBuck 28826]

I said when Joe dropped out of the race that he’d pardon Hunter before Xmas. And it wouldn’t have mattered if Kamala won. Especially after watching all the criminal cohorts and lackeys that Trump pardoned. Wtf does Joe care what anyone says or thinks about it? He wanted to run again and was forced to get out. Rightly or wrongly, that had to hurt. But there was one silver lining. Regardless of the outcome of the election, Hunter would be home for the holidays. It would’ve been no stain on Kamala if she had won the election (and she wouldn’t have to face the dilemma of whether to issue the pardon herself which she definitely couldn’t do as much as she may have wanted to because of all of Trump’s sleazy pardons).

There is no way in hell Trump wouldn’t have done the same. He’s done far worse and he’s just getting warmed up. Just watch how he doles out the pardons in the future. Any Trumper feigning outrage over this is completely full of shit and should be dismissed out of hand. They’re not serious people and can rightly go fuck themselves. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10440]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

My main question is why now. It could just be a thought of “sooner rather than later” is preferred politically but I’m not sure I see the benefit. Or who knows, maybe Biden realizes that it’s not impossible that he could pass even within the next 2 months.

was something coming up soon with Hunters case that would put him in prison soon?

as far as why pardon Hunter, Hunter is a POS. I have no doubt he committed more crimes that could easily be discovered in the next few years under a Trump doj. 

I think now so it's clear he's not trying to hide it. I'm expecting an extremely long list of pardons as he exits and didn't talk of trying to "get one by" etc. it's shitty he did it, but way more shitty that he had to and I can't blame him at all for this one. Trumps team will still go after him to get him to testify on record, so expect anyone and everyone involved with Burmisa to get pardons. Lots of high profile political families involved...(Shocking I know)