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35 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The reasons for their disapproval are almost universally moronic.

Trump got only 49% of the vote. The gap between the Biden disapproval rate and the Trump support rate is pretty wide. It's okay to acknowledge that he was a weak, doddering, and unwise choice for the party in 2024. The party's failure to avert this crisis will have devastating consequences.

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2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Trump got only 49% of the vote. The gap between the Biden disapproval rate and the Trump support rate is pretty wide. It's okay to acknowledge that he was a weak, doddering, and unwise choice for the party in 2024. The party's failure to avert this crisis will have devastating consequences.

Nonetheless, the reasons people disapprove of Biden are moronic.  The economy, Israel (by Muslims), etc.

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11 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Even if you accept that it was "the economy, stupid," what in the name of God would have made you think Trump would improve it?

Asshole is already crawfishing on consumer prices.

That he's a bidnessmen?  Jeezus jumped-up Christ on a cracker.

I know a person with multiple degrees who thinks the President controls interest rates. 

Who do you think he voted for? 

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6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Nonetheless, the reasons people disapprove of Biden are moronic.  The economy, Israel (by Muslims), etc.

The economy is not working for most people. It's working very well for a few people, and that's skewing the KPIs. In the end, you can't convince a room full of sweaty people that a broken air conditioner's fine by shoving the thermostat in a freezer.

Israel's genocidal campaign matters to more people than just "Muslims" by the way.

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The economy is not working for most people. It's working very well for a few people, and that's skewing the KPIs. In the end, you can't convince a room full of sweaty people that a broken air conditioner's fine by shoving the thermostat in a freezer.

Israel's genocidal campaign matters to more people than just "Muslims" by the way.

There's the real economy, which has sucked shit through a straw, or at least deteriorated, for most people for several decades.  Not Biden or anyone else is gonna fix that in four or eight years.

And then there's inflation.

No president is going to have an approval rating much over about 60% just due to partisanship and the perennial discontents in his/her own party.  But the difference between a bit over half and much, much lower depends on actual job performance, that is the opinions of clear-eyed, informed, and not hyperpartisans.

But the reasons Biden's is so low are dumb.  As fuck.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There's the real economy, which has sucked shit through a straw, or at least deteriorated, for most people for several decades.  Not Biden or anyone else is gonna fix that in four or eight years.

And then there's inflation.

No president is going to have an approval rating much over about 60% just due to partisanship and the perennial discontents in his/her own party.  But the difference between a bit over half and much, much lower depends on actual job performance, that is the opinions of clear-eyed, informed, and not hyperpartisans.

But the reasons Biden's is so low are dumb.  As fuck.

How do you explain the increased electoral successes of the incumbent party in Mexico (also beleaguered by Covid and inflation) as compared to the electoral failures of Biden's and Trudeau's parties?

I can explain it, but I'm more interested in hearing your perspective.

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6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

How do you explain the increased electoral successes of the incumbent party in Mexico (also beleaguered by Covid and inflation) as compared to the electoral failures of Biden's and Trudeau's parties?

I can explain it, but I'm more interested in hearing your perspective.

I am essentially excluding partisans from the poll, which splits approval at roughly 50-50. The thing that makes Biden so unpopular is stupidity.  A good chunk of that stupidity applies to the partisan chunks of the electorate, obviously, but extends beyond it too.

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23 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The thing that makes Biden so unpopular is stupidity.

I’m at a loss. Sure, there is some stupidity in those that dislike him. He wasn’t an awful President. But he wasn’t good, at all, and he’s been reduced to a bumbling buffoon who has no business governing in his current state, much less even on the air. He was the worst candidate the Democrats have run, ever (2024). The majority of reasons people dislike him are not stupid. 

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On 1/4/2025 at 12:47 PM, safe sex said:

I finally had a mini blow up with my dad over him voting for Trump (lol wish I didn't need to remain mostly on his good side). I told him that I vote the way that I do because of the way he and my mother raised me; how the values and morals that they told me were important to a person's soul informed the way I evaluate leaders. I asked him how he could morally deal with himself after voting for someone like Trump. He got kind of a little sheepish look on his face, and I (unfortunately picking the wrong aspect of Trump's character to focus on in the moment) said "the man is a rapist." And his face turned grim and he looked me deadass in the eye and said "Joe Biden is a rapist."

I truly thought my father was more intelligent than that. I didn't realize just how pervasive the brain rot is. It's fuckin' over.

Who does your dad think the raped?  Usually there's a person who comes forward and complains about it.

MY mother ruefully shook her head about "all the bad things that kept happening to Trump."  Like all those lawsuits and indictments?  Did it ever occur to you he might be the problem?

If she could figure out how to go on Twitter she might have heard Trump say, "leave your money to me instead of your kids who don't really deserve it."  

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1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

I’m at a loss. Sure, there is some stupidity in those that dislike him. He wasn’t an awful President. But he wasn’t good, at all, and he’s been reduced to a bumbling buffoon who has no business governing in his current state, much less even on the air. He was the worst candidate the Democrats have run, ever (2024). The majority of reasons people dislike him are not stupid. 

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The twenty and thirty year olds who put all their disposable income into crypto, bars, eating out everyday, and daily Amazon purchases is the same group who will tell you they cant get ahead and blame inflation for their shortcomings. You have to pay yourself first, and most people cant accomplish that because they are fat and undisciplined losers

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3 hours ago, chainsaw said:

How do you explain the increased electoral successes of the incumbent party in Mexico (also beleaguered by Covid and inflation) as compared to the electoral failures of Biden's and Trudeau's parties?

I can explain it, but I'm more interested in hearing your perspective.

Uh, social spending, including significant cash payments to the poor and pensioners.

That and being on the receiving end of the nearshoring trend after COVID turbofucked supply chains.

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1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

The twenty and thirty year olds who put all their disposable income into crypto, bars, eating out everyday, and daily Amazon purchases is the same group who will tell you they cant get ahead and blame inflation for their shortcomings. You have to pay yourself first, and most people cant accomplish that because they are fat and undisciplined losers

Posts like this are why we are here. 

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We just had the greatest president to ever exist for 4 years set us up long term for the future, and now we get the second greatest due to the easily telegraphed industries he caters to for short term gains. I might as well move to Miami and train an ant farm to pick up my spare coke off the ground.

 

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11 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I am essentially excluding partisans from the poll, which splits approval at roughly 50-50. The thing that makes Biden so unpopular is stupidity.  A good chunk of that stupidity applies to the partisan chunks of the electorate, obviously, but extends beyond it too.

I'm only talking about electoral failure vs. electoral success during the same timeframe. Why did one incumbent gain and another lose?

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12 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I'm only talking about electoral failure vs. electoral success during the same timeframe. Why did one incumbent gain and another lose?

I dunno nuffin bout Mexican politics, but what gmr said sounds right.

Now, I agree that Biden or any D could possibly overcome the stupidity by giving handouts like AMLO.  That is, returning the "free shit army" to that status instead of the "hate the browns and fags army."  They're both stupid as fuck, but I'll take the free shit army any day.

But there's a big part of me that desires real solutions and I don't think handouts are that.

Mostly, I'm just mad.  Big mad.  I'm not sure Biden is the greatest president of my lifetime, but he got some shit done despite a pretty seriously adverse political climate.  I normally dislike career politicians like him, but concede that it is just that that permitted him to accomplish what he did.  I think he was the right man for the time at the time and he's earned my respect.

He definitely does not deserve all-time low approval ratings.

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12 hours ago, sheeeit said:

For the last few hours I am scoring Ana 1, Jimmy 0.  
 

and what the fuck happened to twicehorn?  He was smart and helpful/insightful a few years ago and now he is lunatic fringe.  

Trump and Trumpism caused the scales to fall from my eyes.

And look around you and consider what is the lunatic fringe these days.  Maybe it's not so fringe, but it's definitely lunatic.

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The PSA guys keep saying that Biden’s biggest failure was deciding to run again. I don’t really understand what they are on about. Does anyone think that if Kamala had had a year or two to campaign that she would have won?  Or any Dem for that matter?  I think this country is just too stupid and they would have elected this fuck face no matter what. You can’t defeat this level of dumb. 

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1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

The PSA guys keep saying that Biden’s biggest failure was deciding to run again. I don’t really understand what they are on about. Does anyone think that if Kamala had had a year or two to campaign that she would have won?  Or any Dem for that matter?  I think this country is just too stupid and they would have elected this fuck face no matter what. You can’t defeat this level of dumb. 

I suppose, had Biden withdrawn earlier and in time for a normal primary "season" and election, it is conceivable that a better candidate and "platform" might have emerged, which possibility includes Harris honing her message.

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27 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I suppose, had Biden withdrawn earlier and in time for a normal primary "season" and election, it is conceivable that a better candidate and "platform" might have emerged, which possibility includes Harris honing her message.

Idk that people all of the sudden go out and vote. Turnout was the issue not vote splits. 

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Ultimately, it wouldn't have mattered but a real primary would've given everyone more of a chance to get a voice on whether Kamala should've been the candidate. I don't think many would've stepped up to run against her except for the more fringe candidates and we'd be in the exact same position we face now. Gaza, inflation, the economy were all going to be a problem for her. 

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In perfect hindsight it seems everything was pre-ordained. 

Had State of the Union Biden showed up at the debate he would have won.  But he didn't. I posted during the debate "does anyone have Gavin Newsome's phone number?"  

Once he realized he couldn't win he had to appoint Kamala as his successor or forfeit 100% of the black vote, which he wasn't going to do (out of loyalty) or for political expediency.  To do otherwise and have some kind of primary with Mayor Pete and Handsome Gavin and some other white guys would have blown the coalition apart. Biden thought -- as I did -- she would win.  Surely the having a black woman for president isn't that big of a deal?

Frankly I can't believe that between the really important issues (ectopic pregnancy = death in 1/3 of the country) and the choice of good v. evil and failure and Russian puppetness and the electric, stadium sized crowds she was drawing she would lose.

For anyone to either make up their mind on election day or stay home would be crazy, but apparently that's what happened.  Now it's face eatin' time.

10 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Ultimately, it wouldn't have mattered but a real primary would've given everyone more of a chance to get a voice on whether Kamala should've been the candidate. I don't think many would've stepped up to run against her except for the more fringe candidates and we'd be in the exact same position we face now. Gaza, inflation, the economy were all going to be a problem for her. 

This.  

If there is one thing I would have liked to have had them message harder on it would be that presidents don't set gas prices or egg prices or interest rates.  AND REALLY EXPLAIN WHY.  I know you're not supposed to shame the dumb fuck Americans who never learned anything but you have to explain that corporations set prices. The joy thingy was good but fill in the gaps for these yahoos so they have some intellectual investment in their decision and don't just vote for the "successful businessman."

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18 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Trump got only 49% of the vote. The gap between the Biden disapproval rate and the Trump support rate is pretty wide. It's okay to acknowledge that he was a weak, doddering, and unwise choice for the party in 2024. The party's failure to avert this crisis will have devastating consequences.

Don’t be fatuous. Trump got 49.9%
 

in a 2 horse race there is almost no way Harris would have won the popular vote although it’s possible she could have squeaked by in the EC 

 

Had Biden declined a run for a second term, could’ve been different, but I really don’t think so. The Democratic Party in general has some significant messaging issues and they are going to have to figure out how to fix that and not just count on Trump fucking everything up for the Republican party

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Biden sucked at communication most likely because his staff knew he couldn’t handle it. I’ve learned in the business world that it doesn’t matter how great of a job you do if you can’t communicate how good of a job you’re doing.

on top of that, Biden waited too late to address inflation and I guess his argument was that he was saving us from a pandemic. But then again he refused to talk.

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36 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Biden sucked at communication most likely because his staff knew he couldn’t handle it.

Biden was fine at communicating when he was championing locking up people for a long time for drug offenses. When his mental state was so declined, his staff and a complicit media systematically hid it from the American people. At some point, people should be asking who exactly was running the country for the last two years. Cause it wasn't "decency" or "we the people". 

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4 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I fully expect you to be shouting this from the rooftops for the next 4 years

 

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There was a whole lot of 25th amendment talk during the first Trump go around. And that was just over a personality disorder. We had a legit senile dementia president with family and staff circling wagons for the last few years. But yeah, worry more about what a message board poster is saying. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/us/politics/biden-age.html

 

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17 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

There was a whole lot of 25th amendment talk during the first Trump go around. And that was just over a personality disorder. We had a legit senile dementia president with family and staff circling wagons for the last few years. But yeah, worry more about what a message board poster is saying. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/us/politics/biden-age.html

 

We used to have a demented president 

 

We still do, but we used to too

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11 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

The PSA guys keep saying that Biden’s biggest failure was deciding to run again. I don’t really understand what they are on about. Does anyone think that if Kamala had had a year or two to campaign that she would have won?  Or any Dem for that matter?  I think this country is just too stupid and they would have elected this fuck face no matter what. You can’t defeat this level of dumb. 

his biggest failure was his pick for AG

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2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

At some point, people should be asking who exactly was running the country for the last two years.

Competent, intelligent people appointed by a decent man.

Who have now been replaced by the Fox News C team.

Great job, America.

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I was a fan of Biden’s but the last year or two of his presidency was not good. And that debate sealed the opinion of every voter. It would have been better if he had immediately thrown up on the podium and they postponed it. His handlers should have realized over a year ago that he was not up for a campaign.

and while I don’t blame him for pardoning Hunter, he never should have promised that he wouldn’t pardon him. I don’t care if trump lies more before 8am every day, we don’t lie like that. The Hunter pardon doesn’t impact the US but it impacts my opinion of Biden.

i voted for Biden and then Harris but im glad that we’re on the last day of Biden.

edit: it would even have been more acceptable if Hunter had been sentenced and Biden commuted the sentence after the no-pardon promise. At least it would give Biden supporters more cover. Instead Biden told his supporters to f-off.

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