Joe Biden 2024 thread - Dark Brandon Where Art Thou?

[Js1 87182]

3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

No shit, if the D bench is non-existent -- what do you say about the Republicans?

Just off the top of my head: Pete, Harris, Whitmer, Newsom, Polis, Pritzker, Warnock, Booker, Duckworth, Kelly. And that’s not even including the new 2022 class of governors like Wes Moore 

But no one in their right mind who wants a future in the party would primary an incumbent president. Leave that to the Marianne Williamsons and Dean Phillipses of the world. They’re nobodies 

Edited February 9 by Js1

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

Just now, C-Man said:

No shit, if the D bench is shallow -- what do you say about the Republicans?

? They don't need a bench.  They're running Trump, end of story.  I'm trying to figure out why it is hard to find someone to beat they guy that just tried to overthrow the government, and the best we can come up with is a dude that we post things like "he just needs to hide for the next 7 months" and "technically, he can just get elected then step down."

[Js1 87182]

1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

? They don't need a bench.  They're running Trump, end of story.  I'm trying to figure out why it is hard to find someone to beat they guy that just tried to overthrow the government, and the best we can come up with is a dude that we post things like "he just needs to hide for the next 7 months" and "technically, he can just get elected then step down."

Because giving up the incumbency advantage is the dumbest thing you can do in politics. 

[hobbes2702 13475]

2 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

? They don't need a bench.  They're running Trump, end of story.  I'm trying to figure out why it is hard to find someone to beat they guy that just tried to overthrow the government, and the best we can come up with is a dude that we post things like "he just needs to hide for the next 7 months" and "technically, he can just get elected then step down."

It’s not hard. There’s this one guy, he’s the President right now. Just because some people say dumb things doesn’t change that the Dems have the best possible candidate to win the next election 

Edited February 9 by hobbes2702

[Red Five 41738]

1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

? They don't need a bench.  They're running Trump, end of story.  I'm trying to figure out why it is hard to find someone to beat they guy that just tried to overthrow the government, and the best we can come up with is a dude that we post things like "he just needs to hide for the next 7 months" and "technically, he can just get elected then step down."

Because that dude is the President of the United States. 

[StassneyHorn 6773]

Biden in his second term is going to be like the firefighter who works at the airport station. 

[TwiceHorn 32079]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Imagine how much it must suck to be Joe Biden.  Dude comes out of retirement to save America from a Kremlin puppet and the GOP nominates that same asshole again.  You can see how this might complicates things for Biden… he almost has to run because if he doesn’t and Trump wins, he would probably feel responsible… and if he does run and Trump wins, he would also feel responsible.  On top of that, there’s a major war in Eastern Europe and the Middle East is an ongoing disaster. Biden must have done some bad shit in a previous life to deserve this level of stress at the spry age of 81. 

VCCLA.

[TwiceHorn 32079]

5 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I have to wonder, did Garland and his team read the damn thing before it was released?

The section reproduced came from a review and commentary prior to release.  

[jimmyjazz 47196]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

The section reproduced came from a review and commentary prior to release.  

I was being facetious.  That said, I have no idea why Garland allowed that hit piece to see the light of day. 

[Brisketexan 106897]

44 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I'm trying to figure out why it is hard to find someone to beat they guy that just tried to overthrow the government,

The problem there is not on the people running against that guy.  The problem is that nearly half of Americans ARE ALL-IN ON AND FUCKING ADORE A FUCKING CRIMINAL FASCIST WHO TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT.  There's not a world in which even your dream candidate gets any of those people to not support Trump.  Because cult.

You people keep applying political norms, and thinking aligned with those norms.  They don't work.  We're in a situation where none of the normal rules matter.  Were there millions of people ever slavishly devoted to and treating as a god....Bob Dole?  Jimmy Carter?  Ford?  Bush 1 or 2?  Reagan?  Fucking NO.  Sure, they all had some adherents who were super duper all-in, but that wasn't the essence of their support.  

Anyone running against Trump - be that Biden or someone else - is running against a murderous, psychotic, religious cult.  It's hard to beat that, if it has enough adherents.

[Foosters 18280]

31 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Biden in his second term is going to be like the firefighter who works at the airport station. 

[Aqua Buddha 14806]

I'm with anyone who thinks Biden is too old but god damn, Trump says much worse things on a daily basis and the media never says a thing.  Biden flubs something today and it's literally two stories on the NYT, front page WSJ, etc.  

Meanwhile, Trump knows JFK Jr and nothing.

 

[David Dennison 19538]

1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

It’s not hard. There’s this one guy, he’s the President right now. Just because some people say dumb things doesn’t change that the Dems have the best possible candidate to win the next election 

Also, he's a really good president.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

The best since FDR!

[hobbes2702 13475]

13 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Also, he's a really good president.

Correct. 

[C-Man 27779]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Because giving up the incumbency advantage is the dumbest thing you can do in politics. 

This is true until it isn't. And we've never had an 81-year-old incumbent POTUS.

 

54 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The problem there is not on the people running against that guy.  The problem is that nearly half of Americans ARE ALL-IN ON AND FUCKING ADORE A FUCKING CRIMINAL FASCIST WHO TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT.  There's not a world in which even your dream candidate gets any of those people to not support Trump.  Because cult.

You people keep applying political norms, and thinking aligned with those norms.  They don't work.  We're in a situation where none of the normal rules matter.  Were there millions of people ever slavishly devoted to and treating as a god....Bob Dole?  Jimmy Carter?  Ford?  Bush 1 or 2?  Reagan?  Fucking NO.  Sure, they all had some adherents who were super duper all-in, but that wasn't the essence of their support.  

Anyone running against Trump - be that Biden or someone else - is running against a murderous, psychotic, religious cult.  It's hard to beat that, if it has enough adherents.

Nobody in the history of this country has ever been saddled with as much baggage as this piece of shit yet STILL he has at least a puncher's chance of winning back the White House in November. It would be remarkable if it wasn't so goddamn frightening.

 

11 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Also, he's a really good president.

Nobody seems to give a fuck. Hey, things are going pretty well -- let's put the asshole who crashed the plane into the mountain back in charge.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11860]

And Anastasis will still pretend he/she/it can still vote 3th parthy.   Wifh high cofifeth.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11860]

C’mon man, get fucking real.  Vote democrat.  At least we entertain your ideals.  

[StassneyHorn 6773]

People of Texas, still in Texas, are you seeing primary signs yet in your ‘hood? 

[Js1 87182]

3 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

And Anastasis will still pretend he/she/it can still vote 3th parthy.   Wifh high cofifeth.  

Nah, he’ll write in a “libertarian”

[atomheartbevo 90646]

5 hours ago, gmr548 said:

lmao this is awesome

I flip it on every so often in the background and at one point AI Biden spent a few minutes lecturing AI Trump about 80s hair metal bands and I was like “ I would crawl over broken glass to vote for that Biden” and another time he was calling Trump a “fucking dumbass” for not knowing the difference between the Call of Duty and Battlefield video games and asking Trump how he could live in Florida, but had never played any of the Grand Theft Auto games.

edit: Biden just said he never cheated at Final Fantasy and that the game “just couldn’t handle his badassery” and then said something about “enough about my skills at the pixels and polygons”.  

Edited February 10 by atomheartbevo

[atomheartbevo 90646]

Dp

Edited February 10 by atomheartbevo

[gmr548 16701]

5 hours ago, 6th Street said:

Zero value add from Biden campaigning or debating. 

People are showing up to vote against Trump, not for Biden specifically. 

Disagree, Biden should make a point to be out and about on the campaign trail both as a counter to the age/fitness piece and to tout investments in infrastructure, manufacturing, and energy made possible by legislation he passed; many of which are located in purple states.

[gmr548 16701]

2 hours ago, C-Man said:

This is true until it isn't. And we've never had an 81-year-old incumbent POTUS.

The narrative if Biden were to step back and not run for reelection would be a Democratic party in shambles, and all of the campaign/white house infrastructure built over the past four years ceases to matter. Democrats would be campaigning on Trump being such a threat to democracy that... an incumbent POTUS with < 4% unemployment won't even bother trying?

[StassneyHorn 6773]

11 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

It may not feel realistic, but if you go to the Social Security website they have a life expectancy calculator based on gender and birthdate.  For the two likely candidates, they are both "expected" to live beyond another 4 year term:

Joe Biden:  8.2 years

Donald Trump:  10.2 years

 

Yes, this is purely statistical and doesn't reflect the health (or lack thereof) of either man.  Just some food for thought.

Imagine if you could type in their weight

[StassneyHorn 6773]

There has never been a time in history of our country with sub 4 unemployment as long as this. If you want a job, snap your fingers and make it happen

[scottsins 2047]

I was being facetious.  That said, I have no idea why Garland allowed that hit piece to see the light of day. 

So, when he gets asked “hey, what’s up with that special counsel report we have been waiting on?”…would Garland just reply, “I’m not going to release it because it was a terrible hatchet job. I’m not going to let you see it so just trust me, the attorney general, when I tell you I’m making the right call here.”?

Seems problematic.

[Chuckie Finster 23074]

Fuck yes.

 

Edited February 10 by Chuckie Finster

[fattyflattie 4640]

Americans will suffer and die?  Sounds dire. 

[jimmyjazz 47196]

39 minutes ago, scottsins said:

So, when he gets asked “hey, what’s up with that special counsel report we have been waiting on?”…would Garland just reply, “I’m not going to release it because it was a terrible hatchet job. I’m not going to let you see it so just trust me, the attorney general, when I tell you I’m making the right call here.”?

Seems problematic.

No, he would tell the hack who wrote it where the "problematic" (read:  political hit job) writing is and order him to cut it out.  Is this really that hard?

[Anastasis 23718]

4 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

And Anastasis will still pretend he/she/it can still vote 3th parthy.   Wifh high cofifeth.  

https://news.gallup.com/poll/512135/support-third-political-party.aspx

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Sixty-three percent of U.S. adults currently agree with the statement that the Republican and Democratic parties do “such a poor job” of representing the American people that “a third major party is needed.” This represents a seven-percentage-point increase from a year ago and is the highest since Gallup first asked the question in 2003. However, the current measure is not meaningfully different from the prior highs of 61% in 2017 and 62% in 2021, shortly after the January 2021 Capitol Hill riots.

Requires a coalition that can break down the barriers to ballot access and the capture of the system by the two parties. Y'all aren't helping the long run goals by just prostrating yourself at the altar of this dysfunctional system, characterized by each side spending most of their time arguing that the other candidate has more holes in their brain than their own. 

Edited February 10 by Anastasis

[Anastasis 23718]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

No, he would tell the hack who wrote it where the "problematic" (read:  political hit job) writing is and order him to cut it out.  Is this really that hard?

LOL. Look at the big brain on Jimmy

Edited February 10 by Anastasis

[jimmyjazz 47196]

Just now, Anastasis said:

LOL. Look at the big brain on Jimmy

Explain.

[David Dennison 19538]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Requires a coalition that can break down the barriers to ballot access and the capture of the system by the two parties. Y'all aren't helping the long run goals by just prostrating at altar of this dysfunctional system, characterized by each side spending most of their time arguing that the other candidate has more holes in their brain than their own. 

Um, third part candidates get on the ballot every four years. They just aren't very good at getting people to vote for them.

[StassneyHorn 6773]

I want a second woman in my marriage, 65% of men agree.
 

Only 2% do it, guess why? 

[Anastasis 23718]

Because the pussy and alimony systems are captured by the wife coalition?

[Aqua Buddha 14806]

9 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Fuck yes.

 

It's about fucking time.  We all know that Trump has been saying gibberish on a daily basis for going on two years now and for some reason the media won't report on it.  Biden flubs one day and there are multiple stories on the NYT front page.  

[YGIFS 19458]

7 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

I want a second woman in my marriage, 65% of men agree.
 

Only 2% do it, guess why? 

Because Frank Stallone was booked up already?  
 

I don’t know if the trade off will prove worth it, but one positive from this week of anti-Biden bullshit is all the clips of Trump just being clearly fucking insane.  Won’t change any minds but it reinforces my feeling that there’s a decent shot a few million people who turned out for him last time will think, “Enough with this fucking clown.  We got no other big elections in our state, I ain’t gonna bother.”

[BrazilHorn 6844]

13 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

People of Texas, still in Texas, are you seeing primary signs yet in your ‘hood? 

Guy down the street from me had a “Desantis” sign up for months that just came down. 
That is only presidential candidate sign I’ve seen. 
Seeing a number for judicial candidates etc

[gmr548 16701]

4 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

Guy down the street from me had a “Desantis” sign up for months that just came down. 
That is only presidential candidate sign I’ve seen. 
Seeing a number for judicial candidates etc

aggy, I guarantee it

[Born to Run 6601]

Americans will suffer and die?  Sounds dire. 

We already have tape on what a Trump presidency looks like. You can lol past the graveyard instead of whistling on your way to the marina. I suppose

[hobbes2702 13475]

12 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Um, third part candidates get on the ballot every four years. They just aren't very good at getting people to vote for them.

Maybe it’s because they run morons like Gary Johnson. Imagine thinking that guy would do a better job than Hillary or Joe.

[The Original Greaser Bob 2888]

17 hours ago, Js1 said:

Because giving up the incumbency advantage is the dumbest thing you can do in politics. 

I was shot down on my previous concern troll thread about this.  I'm not sure this holds for two reasons. 

1) Are we certain that the whole "incumbency" advantage counts when the opponent has served the immediate term before this.  I'm thinking most voters view both as having whatever advantages come from incumbency.  Certainly, the only historical example, Grover Cleveland v. Benjamin Harrison (1892) proves the exact opposite.   Incumbent Cleveland loses to Harrison (1888), and then beats the shit out of Harrison in the 1892 election.  So literally the ONLY similar situation we can look at historically is that immediate incumbency didn't help Harrison.

2) Although Harrison looked old as shit, he and Cleveland were both hovering about 60.  But note that Harrison's wife died right before the election. 

And this interesting wiki tidbit:  The tariff issue dominated this rather lackluster campaign. Harrison defended the protectionist McKinley Tariff passed during his term. For his part, Cleveland assured voters that he opposed absolute free trade and would continue his campaign for a reduction in the tariff. Cleveland also denounced the Lodge Bill, a voting rights bill that sought to protect the rights of African American voters in the South.^[23] William McKinley campaigned extensively for Harrison, setting the stage for his own run four years later.

I don't think the electorate is astute enough to get past Biden's softer speaking style and remnants of stutter to get to the substance of what the guys are saying. To them, the loud lunatic "seems" younger than soft spoken intellect. 

 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2888]

13 hours ago, gmr548 said:

The narrative if Biden were to step back and not run for reelection would be a Democratic party in shambles, and all of the campaign/white house infrastructure built over the past four years ceases to matter

Biden should have been elected, got all the shit he needed done, and then a year in should have said he's not running.  This would have given the Dems a chance to go through the election/debates and use it as an opportunity to talk about all  the shit they were getting done and how they would fine tune things and we would have had multiple forums of taking brutal pot shots at Trump. 

So I get the idea of him winning now and stepping back.  it would have been a risky strategy for him to step back in the first term but it would have been a heck of an anti-Trump message for him to say he wanted to put everything he had into this one term and take age-ist shots at Trump.

We all knew deep down that it would come down to this.  It's not the same thing as what Ruth Bader G did to the Dems but it sure as shit may turn out that way.

[4th&Five 42005]

All the Republicans saying Joe is too old were very quiet when Mitch died multiple times on live TV. 

[YGIFS 19458]

Fun facts-deep red state Governors-Kay Ivey (AL), Mike DeWine (OH), and McMaster (SC) are older than Trump and perfectly electable apparently.  

Current GOP senators that are older than Trump but perfectly electable-McConnell, Grassley (gonna be 94 when his term is up for fuck's sakes), Risch (ID), Angus King (Independent, but kinda R-ish a lotta times), and Mitt Romney.  

Again. maybe not Biden's best week.  But it seems to have brought out a lot of previously buried footage of Trump showing off exactly how fucking in decline he is.  I give my GOP neighbor full credit for noticing it earlier this month.  The man is going down faster than we thought.  The schedule long-game is beating the shit outta him and part of his body/brain know it, even if he himself can't see it.

[David Dennison 19538]

1 hour ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Biden should have been elected, got all the shit he needed done, and then a year in should have said he's not running.  This would have given the Dems a chance to go through the election/debates and use it as an opportunity to talk about all  the shit they were getting done and how they would fine tune things and we would have had multiple forums of taking brutal pot shots at Trump. 

So I get the idea of him winning now and stepping back.  it would have been a risky strategy for him to step back in the first term but it would have been a heck of an anti-Trump message for him to say he wanted to put everything he had into this one term and take age-ist shots at Trump.

We all knew deep down that it would come down to this.  It's not the same thing as what Ruth Bader G did to the Dems but it sure as shit may turn out that way.

I can't think of anyone who aspires to be president who would ever do that.

[Js1 87182]

55 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I can't think of anyone who aspires to be president who would ever do that.

“And since I achieved all my goals as president in one term, there was no need for a second”

[The Original Greaser Bob 2888]

The Dem Party should have threatened to release Hunter Biden dick pics if he didn't agree to the strategy.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

James K Polk

 

also, famously “I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president,” Lyndon B. Johnson