Joe Biden 2024 thread - Dark Brandon Where Art Thou?

[grazinhorn 472]

3 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I was shot down on my previous concern troll thread about this.  I'm not sure this holds for two reasons. 

1) Are we certain that the whole "incumbency" advantage counts when the opponent has served the immediate term before this.  I'm thinking most voters view both as having whatever advantages come from incumbency. 

 

While I understand the question and look at history, why would you ever give up the "incumbency" advantage even if the opponent has effectively the same thing?  I wouldn't care to give up an advantage that puts me notably ahead, but it is pretty silly to give it up if it just brings me even.  Why start from (near) zero?

[David Dennison 19538]

2 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

James K Polk

 

also, famously “I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president,” Lyndon B. Johnson

LBJ quit the race because he could see the writing on the wall. He was going to lose the Democratic nomination. He did not willingly step aside.

Edited February 10 by David Dennison

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

That’s true. But the Polk one was a campaign promise from the outset. 

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

LBJ quit the race because he could see the writing on the wall. He did not willingly step aside.

Nixon was screwing with the Vietnam talks and who knows what else.

[tx 3 putt 78677]

 

[David Dennison 19538]

1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Please, please, please focus on the economy.

[Js1 87182]

The GOP really wants to run on gun violence? 

[Underdog 29186]

Get over it. 

[YGIFS 19458]

Yeah, nothing terribly insightful about running a campaign on winning the Electoral College which boils down to just a handful of states.  I don't need a U.S. Senator to 'splain to me.  Economy is quickly becoming a toss-up issue, or even bonus for Biden.  I get the border thing, that ain't going away from the news for the next 9 months.  Like it or not, no matter the actual facts, it's gonna be an issue that may actually drive folks to the polls---sorry that's the reality we live in.

But yeah---what in the ever living fuck on gun violence?  Is there some October surprise coming I don't know about?  And then what's the play, what's the angle after that?  Hahaha, Biden sent money to illegals to hustle guns in or shoot people or what the fuck?  I come up with twisted scenarios for a living, but what in the shit is the narrative here?  

[David Dennison 19538]

4 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Yeah, nothing terribly insightful about running a campaign on winning the Electoral College which boils down to just a handful of states.  I don't need a U.S. Senator to 'splain to me.  Economy is quickly becoming a toss-up issue, or even bonus for Biden.  I get the border thing, that ain't going away from the news for the next 9 months.  Like it or not, no matter the actual facts, it's gonna be an issue that may actually drive folks to the polls---sorry that's the reality we live in.

But yeah---what in the ever living fuck on gun violence?  Is there some October surprise coming I don't know about?  And then what's the play, what's the angle after that?  Hahaha, Biden sent money to illegals to hustle guns in or shoot people or what the fuck?  I come up with twisted scenarios for a living, but what in the shit is the narrative here?  

Yeah, but Republican botched the border deal and Democrats can run on that.

[YGIFS 19458]

Yeah, you know that because you can read.  Most of them can't.  

it's a tightwire act---right now I think there's 5-10mm Trumpers (in that middle 1/3rd group that's not a consistent straight-ticket voter and those that aren't diehard MAGA-both of those groups are gonna turn out anyway and not a fucking thing you can do or say that's gonna change that.  But in that middle third that held their nose and voted for him last time)...if you can peel away 5-10 from that middle 25 because they've just had it with this fucking guy and can't feign the theatrical ruse anymore...it's game over for MAGA/Trump.  But this border issue, no matter your insight into it, is still going to bring a fair number of them back to the booth after all.  And that could still spell trouble in places like Michigan and Arizona.  

[David Dennison 19538]

No worries, Joe Biden's campaign will have the full support of the Democratic Par . . . 

Oh.

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37 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The GOP really wants to run on gun violence? 

And the border, because remember they just ran a  convoy down to the border that had dozens of people. Sure, they were mostly social media influencers that ended up fighting with each other, but still, it was dozens.

[Js1 87182]

36 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

But yeah---what in the ever living fuck on gun violence?  Is there some October surprise coming I don't know about?  And then what's the play, what's the angle after that?  Hahaha, Biden sent money to illegals to hustle guns in or shoot people or what the fuck?  I come up with twisted scenarios for a living, but what in the shit is the narrative here? 

What the hell is the platform? Pro-school shooters and pro-church shootings?

[YGIFS 19458]

The only thing I can think of is maybe a slight modification or reboot of the "The answer to gun violence is more guns?" kinda thing like Dan Patrick would say about a good guy with a gun?  

Or like I said, blaming gun violence on illegals or terrorists?  

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Just now, YGIFS said:

Or like I said, blaming gun violence on illegals or terrorists?  

So…minorities.

[David Dennison 19538]

3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

So…minorities.

That tracks.

[YGIFS 19458]

Yeah, it'll quite possibly turn out being a mis-statement or brainfart but Cornyn, for all his faults politically and brisket-wise, is pretty fucking sharp.  And being in Senate leadership, he'd know what the inner-strategeries.  

I mean he coulda left it at just economy, border, and EC tactical approach.  But for him to toss "gun violence" in.  Most GOPers, I wouldn't have thought anything of it.  But that guy doesn't usually say anything without a specific purpose unlike most of his colleagues who just shit outta their mouth (also the name of his brisket recipe).  

I feel like Jack Ryan, "How do you make a crew wanna get off a nuclear submarine?!?"  How do you make gun violence a net positive in an election year for Republicans?  You have to make them wanna get off the boat?  

[Born to Run 6601]

What the hell is the platform? Pro-school shooters and pro-church shootings?

Chicago!

[DixonHur 11959]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Lol

GOP is running on:

Border - while blocking border security bills

The Economy - that is doing better under Biden than under Trump

Candidate age - on election day Biden will be 81 and Trump 78

and

Gun violence - @Js1 summed this one up

But you know what?  It will work, because the GOP base is the dumbest collection of meat puppets in existence. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

The Republican strategy hasn’t changed since Reagan. They’re going to scare the fuck out of Susie homemaker about illegals, minorities, and terrorists until she creams the Letter R in the voting booth. These days, Susie Homemaker is joined by a bigger group of pussies, Research Bros. These pussies are so scared of the world, they work out all day and cosplay like the village people, all because women and queer folk don’t want to fuck them. 

After they scare these idiots into voting against their self interest, they pass bills cutting benefits and cutting taxes, and these dumbfucks keep wondering why nothing gets better 

[jimmyjazz 47193]

10 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Lol

GOP is running on:

Border - while blocking border security bills

. . . and border arrests and expulsions are up significantly over Trump, and in fact are at multi-decade highs.

 

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The Economy - that is doing better under Biden than under Trump

Candidate age - on election day Biden will be 81 and Trump 78

Let's not forget that Biden was "too old" in 2016 -- at age 78.  Trump is 78.

The economy?  Insanity.  INFLATION IS OUT OF CONTROL!!!!

[TwiceHorn 32078]

On 2/9/2024 at 9:39 PM, scottsins said:

So, when he gets asked “hey, what’s up with that special counsel report we have been waiting on?”…would Garland just reply, “I’m not going to release it because it was a terrible hatchet job. I’m not going to let you see it so just trust me, the attorney general, when I tell you I’m making the right call here.”?

Seems problematic.

Yeah, he is just a straight shooter and the way an Attorney General of the United States to be, at least in normal circumstances.  

It should be pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that this Hur dick head gratuitously impugned Biden without any actual basis for so doing. 

Edited February 12 by TwiceHorn
Didn't finish thought

[DixonHur 11959]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, he is just a straight shooter and the way an Attorney General of the United States.

It should be pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that this Hur dick head gratuitously impugned Biden without any actual basis for so doing. 

I've been getting a lot of hate mail and threatening calls of late, so I want to be crystal clear when I say that I am in no way related to Robert Hur.

[jimmyjazz 47193]

Bill Barr redacted and negligently front-ran a similar report.

Garland could have easily told Hur to take out the inconsistent pot shots, or he could have done it himself.  Y'all are nuts if you think Garland had no say in the way this report was written.

[TexArcher 39072]

27 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

. . . and border arrests and expulsions are up significantly over Trump, and in fact are at multi-decade highs.

 

Fun fact: Obama deported more illegal aliens than any other president.  And, somehow, both parties would like us to forget that.  At least they agree on something, I guess?

Pretty fucking amazing that Trump is very possibly going to win re-election campaigning primarily on an issue that he's blocking action on, so that he can use the issue as a political sledgehammer against the guy who's done as much as anyone to help the issue.  Boggles the fucking mind.

Edited February 10 by TexArcher

[jimmyjazz 47193]

5 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

 

Fun fact: Obama deported more illegal aliens than any other president.  And, somehow, both parties would like us to forget that.  At least they agree on something, I guess?

Pretty fucking amazing that Trump is very possibly going to win re-election campaigning primarily on an issue that he's blocking action on, so that he can use the issue as a political sledgehammer against the guy who's done as much as anyone to help the issue.  Boggles the fucking mind.

At this point, the Democrat's messaging has to be "Trump is lying.  Here is the actual data.  He did very little, we've improved things immensely."

Unfortunately, the right's brains are so broken they reject statistics out of hand.  I tried this argument with a friend of a friend, and her response was "I don't believe it, this administration is letting everybody through the border".  How do you fight that?

[David Dennison 19538]

13 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Fun fact: Obama deported more illegal aliens than any other president.  And, somehow, both parties would like us to forget that.  At least they agree on something, I guess?

Pretty fucking amazing that Trump is very possibly going to win re-election campaigning primarily on an issue that he's blocking action on, so that he can use the issue as a political sledgehammer against the guy who's done as much as anyone to help the issue.  Boggles the fucking mind.

If the Democrats started playing politics like Republicans, they'd never be out of power.

[hayden_horn 11402]

17 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

I want a second woman in my marriage, 65% of men agree.
 

Only 2% do it, guess why? 

because they don't know this one weird trick

[scottsins 2047]

Bill Barr redacted and negligently front-ran a similar report.
Garland could have easily told Hur to take out the inconsistent pot shots, or he could have done it himself.  Y'all are nuts if you think Garland had no say in the way this report was written.

Like to Barr redacting the Mueller report?

* The issue surrounding a redacted internal memo within the DOJ, where they discussed Mueller’s findings and conclusions?

I’ll concede the “front-ran” portion for sure, at which point Mueller went public to counter that.

Barr’s “thing” was twisting the conclusions and findings of Mueller in order to justify a decision to NOT prosecute DOTARD.

What you are suggesting is something entirely different. What you are suggesting would be a scenario where there’s really no point to a special counsel at all. Just handle it all in house.

[jimmyjazz 47193]

I don't think that's true at all.  I think it's perfectly reasonable to say "you didn't assess Biden's memory issues in the same manner whatsoever as you did others you interviewed, and in fact you ascribed them to his age when you brushed off any others' failures to correctly remember things over time.  Fix it."

How fucking hard is this?  Garland appointed him.  He is his boss.

Worst case, redact all the bullshit.

 

[mchookem 16765]

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

If the Democrats started playing politics like Republicans, they'd never be out of power.

if Democrats were bigger assholes we'd all be better off.

[TexArcher 39072]

These silly bastards are going to focus on the robust economy, the problem at the border that they aren't allowed to fix because Trump, and the gun violence that they aren't allowed to fix because NRA.

If this shit works, we deserve what we get.

[Fudge Nuggets 19455]

5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Nixon was screwing with the Vietnam talks and who knows what else.

Nixon fucked with the Vietnam talks, Reagan fucked with the Iran hostages and dotard is fucking with border security. I see a pattern. 

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1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Nixon fucked with the Vietnam talks, Reagan fucked with the Iran hostages and dotard is fucking with border security. I see a pattern. 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2888]

20 hours ago, grazinhorn said:

While I understand the question and look at history, why would you ever give up the "incumbency" advantage even if the opponent has effectively the same thing?  I wouldn't care to give up an advantage that puts me notably ahead, but it is pretty silly to give it up if it just brings me even.  Why start from (near) zero?

Pretty great question, and all I can say is that you'd give it up if the alternative gave you a better chance of winning.  I've always been relatively upbeat about all the other alternatives.  But I'm a bit of an optimist on that front. I think the Dems picked their course and have to stick with it. Again, I wish that perhaps they had fine tuned an alternate strategy a couple of years ago.

[Mdhorn 6166]

I just wish Dems didn't attack their candidate.  He's not broken.  Everything is working and people in place to run things are competent.  We can do this all day long.  The idea that Trump even comes up with his own attacks is hilarious.  He still doesn't know how government operates, and when he does talk on his own, it's painfully obvious. I'm not a betting man, but I'd wager with near certainty he doesn't know what NATO stands for.  

[jimmyjazz 47193]

6 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

I just wish Dems didn't attack their candidate.  He's not broken.  Everything is working and people in place to run things are competent.  We can do this all day long.  The idea that Trump even comes up with his own attacks is hilarious.  He still doesn't know how government operates, and when he does talk on his own, it's painfully obvious. I'm not a betting man, but I'd wager with near certainty he doesn't know what NATO stands for.  

This quote from yesterday kills me.  Trump almost NEVER pays his bills, and yet it matters not one whit to his base:

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Trump said “one of the presidents of a big country” at one point asked him whether the US would still defend the country if they were invaded by Russia even if they “don’t pay.”

“No, I would not protect you,” Trump recalled telling that president. “In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You got to pay. You got to pay your bills.”

 

[TheStoicPaisano 9953]

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13629]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

This quote from yesterday kills me.  Trump almost NEVER pays his bills, and yet it matters not one whit to his base:

 

He doesn't pay his taxes either.

[Pato del Muerto 53496]

On 1/29/2024 at 9:55 AM, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

$9.49 today! Thanks, Obama

Maybe don’t shop at Tom Thumb 

[YGIFS 19458]

4 hours ago, Mdhorn said:

I just wish Dems didn't attack their candidate.  He's not broken.  Everything is working and people in place to run things are competent.  We can do this all day long.  The idea that Trump even comes up with his own attacks is hilarious.  He still doesn't know how government operates, and when he does talk on his own, it's painfully obvious. I'm not a betting man, but I'd wager with near certainty he doesn't know what NATO stands for.  

I still try to read, on the regular, WaPo and Mother Jones and the Atlantic and similar pieces.  But I just am not as deep into the left-wing media as most of you.  So I am genuinely asking---I get that most administrations in the modern era of both parties don't run on, as a key point, "I'm the Chief Executive...so that means I delegate to smart, capable people."  Because maybe it's not inspiring or drives people the polls.  Same reason, I guess we don't run out to buy shit from Kohl's because their board elected a really great new COO or General Counsel.  But this is certainly one of the things I admire most about Biden is he's totally content to let smart, capable, ethical people run serious, serious shit.  To sane people with morals like some of us, that's a massive fucking positive.  Especially when you contrast it with the revolving door that was the Trump White House and everybody either quit, got fired, got arrested, or thrown under the bus by him.  

I get that it's a point of vulnerability for Biden to say, "Yeah, maybe I am getting up there in age but I have brilliant, energetic people all around me who are executing on making America better every single minute of every single day."  There's obviously a reason why that hasn't been messaged since the Truman administration.  I'm not saying make it the main campaign slogan, but it is such a missed opportunity IMO for the Biden campaign, mainly for reminding Democrats and Independents of his great team.  Yeah, it's not gonna play well to GOP voters, but guess what?  Spoiler alert, they already think he's too old and/or a fake President delegating to the Deep State.  What the fuck is there to lose in making this at least a bullet point feature of his campaign down the list?  Yeah, I see his surrogates out there touting achievements and that's all well and good.  But that's because we're political nerds who seek that shit out.  It's worth a fucking shot to lock up some "meh, he's better than Trump...but I just feel like sitting this cycle out." kinda folks.  I mean from House All-Stars, to most of the Cabinet, to the Joint Chiefs, to Diplomats, they're covering a lot of bases right now and if marketed correctly, it can be a real net positive to any incumbent be there 81 or 41.  /rant

[Longhorn_Fan68 34104]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Maybe don’t shop at Tom Thumb 

[David Dennison 19538]

If you pay more than three bucks for a dozen eggs, that's on you.

[UpperWestside 6274]

9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

If you pay more than three bucks for a dozen eggs, that's on you.

You don’t have many options in NYC to pay less. The grocery stores geared toward Hispanics gouge the most here charging right now 5 or 6 dollars for a dozen. They do it because they know their customers do not have the means to travel somewhere cheaper or to a place where the employees also speak the language. It’s infuriating how these people are kept poor on purpose.

[David Dennison 19538]

2 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

You don’t have many options in NYC to pay less. The grocery stores geared toward Hispanics gouge the most here charging right now 5 or 6 dollars for a dozen. They do it because they know their customers do not have the means to travel somewhere cheaper or to a place where the employees also speak the language. It’s infuriating how these people are kept poor on purpose.

Yeah, I should have said in Texas.

[DixonHur 11959]

I do because I feel bad for the sweatshop chickens.

I like my eggs to come from pasture raised hens.  

[Mdhorn 6166]

31 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

You don’t have many options in NYC to pay less. The grocery stores geared toward Hispanics gouge the most here charging right now 5 or 6 dollars for a dozen. They do it because they know their customers do not have the means to travel somewhere cheaper or to a place where the employees also speak the language. It’s infuriating how these people are kept poor on purpose.

The Hispanic grocers get their produce after everybody else here, and/or don't have as much bargaining power as larger retailers. I think a big part is just Capitalism--can't blame a shortage, transportation issues/costs or mass bird flu chicken slaughter. Covid showed what people are willing to pay. The DC metro region is seeing the rising costs as well.  But that's not going to change with a new president, and certainly not with more tax cuts for the rich.  

[StassneyHorn 6771]

Damn the only thing every under 40 year old is talking about at the bar is how embarrassing this is for Abel Fattah El-Sisi right now 

[TwiceHorn 32078]

On 2/10/2024 at 3:52 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Bill Barr redacted and negligently front-ran a similar report.

Garland could have easily told Hur to take out the inconsistent pot shots, or he could have done it himself.  Y'all are nuts if you think Garland had no say in the way this report was written.

First, I am unaware of any really improper redactions.  A few were "un-redacted" after litigation.  And I think Mueller's team mostly was responsible for the redactions, along with interested parties.

What Barr did was very deliberate, not negligent, and probably improper as an advocate of Trump, rather than the nation as a whole.

The critical question becomes, should Garland have betrayed his ideals in order to be a partisan hack like Barr? 

Biden specifically appointed him to bring regularity and normalcy to the office.  Recognizing what's at stake, I think not, but I abhor that kind of politics anyway.