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8 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Clowns like Jake Sullivan appointed by an oz like machine. 

Why are you like this? We all know you understand how two things can be bad but one can still be worse.

You went from being a “libertarian” dick to just a maga moron. What happened?

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9 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Clowns like Jake Sullivan appointed by an oz like machine. 

So others were pulling Biden's strings from day one?  Oh, and

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On 1/18/2025 at 8:24 AM, TwiceHorn said:

I dunno nuffin bout Mexican politics, but what gmr said sounds right.

Now, I agree that Biden or any D could possibly overcome the stupidity by giving handouts like AMLO.  That is, returning the "free shit army" to that status instead of the "hate the browns and fags army."  They're both stupid as fuck, but I'll take the free shit army any day.

But there's a big part of me that desires real solutions and I don't think handouts are that.

You're right that you don't know nuffin about Mexican politics, so why then are you oversimplyfing? AMLO wasn't the first politician to campaign on "giving handouts" and the political movement he was a part of was pretty explicitly about getting rid of neoliberal institutions (a "fourth transformation").

14 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I’ve learned in the business world that it doesn’t matter how great of a job you do if you can’t communicate how good of a job you’re doing.

This is something AMLO was amazing at. He directly addressed the nation almost every day. I would even go so far as to say that his efforts went beyond "communication" into the realms of building trust and relationships with the people.

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1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

Why are you like this? We all know you understand how two things can be bad but one can still be worse.

You went from being a “libertarian” dick to just a maga moron. What happened?

I’m shocked that you couldn’t come up with an actual answer 

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

You're right that you don't know nuffin about Mexican politics, so why then are you oversimplyfing? AMLO wasn't the first politician to campaign on "giving handouts" and the political movement he was a part of was pretty explicitly about getting rid of neoliberal institutions (a "fourth transformation").

This is something AMLO was amazing at. He directly addressed the nation almost every day. I would even go so far as to say that his efforts went beyond "communication" into the realms of building trust and relationships with the people.

Maybe Mexico and the United States are different places with a different set of voters or something.

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2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I’m shocked that you couldn’t come up with an actual answer 

Maybe Mexico and the United States are different places with a different set of voters or something.

Common link is Louisiana under Huey P. Long.

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3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I was a fan of Biden’s but the last year or two of his presidency was not good. And that debate sealed the opinion of every voter. It would have been better if he had immediately thrown up on the podium and they postponed it. His handlers should have realized over a year ago that he was not up for a campaign.

and while I don’t blame him for pardoning Hunter, he never should have promised that he wouldn’t pardon him. I don’t care if trump lies more before 8am every day, we don’t lie like that. The Hunter pardon doesn’t impact the US but it impacts my opinion of Biden.

i voted for Biden and then Harris but im glad that we’re on the last day of Biden.

edit: it would even have been more acceptable if Hunter had been sentenced and Biden commuted the sentence after the no-pardon promise. At least it would give Biden supporters more cover. Instead Biden told his supporters to f-off.

Lol…..”we don’t lie like that”. You’re fucking crazy. Every politician is full of shit, especially those that made a career out of it.

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47 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I’m shocked that you couldn’t come up with an actual answer 

Maybe Mexico and the United States are different places with a different set of voters or something.

That could be it. Then again, it was a global trend of incumbents losing ground due to inflation. In the US and Canada it was liberals, in the UK it was the Conservatives, and in India it was right wing authoritarians.

Could Mexico's voters really be so different that inflation didn't matter to them? I doubt it.

AMLO and his party have a rare combination of three ingredients: a bold but comprehensible vision, a track record for acting on that vision, and an active connection with the voters whose cooperation and support are essential to acting on the vision.

You don't find that with incumbent parties in other countries, really. Liberals were saying "everything is fine" when it wasn't (killing credibility with non-liberals while failing to inspire liberals). Conservatives are saying "everything is a disaster" but blaming immigrants and modern culture instead of CEOs and greed. I get that this is a Biden support thread, so we should be celebrating his wins, and when he did positive things, I applauded them, but he never spoke daily with the people. In fact, he even refused to have "big boy" press briefings, and now we know why not (he was probably not physically capable of it). Meanwhile, Trudeau and his party's lack of any vision or willingness to accomplish things utterly failed to improve anyone's material conditions in Canada. That's a recipe for getting blamed for inflation. Conservatives won't make anything better, and the pendulum will swing (hard), but when liberals regain power they won't have learned any lessons from this because too many Beltway consultants making $250k per year are depending on nothing fundamentally changing.

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On 1/17/2025 at 8:59 PM, Bullneck said:

Biden was a damn good president.  

It's the American people that need to be graded.

I see Incred and Rex have logged into their socks.  

But you don't need me telling you what's up. Trump will save you soon!!

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1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

I’m shocked that you couldn’t come up with an actual answer

Non serious questions get exactly the amount of attention they deserve. 

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24 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Non serious questions get exactly the amount of attention they deserve. 

Non serious questions for a non serious poster.

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States won by Senators in the Democratic Party but lost by Kamala shoot down the Summer debate meltdown that most of the people on this board and the sunday talk show circuit had at the time. I get I have to fall on that sword to make people understand it since it's my thread and it's a burden of being the smartest man in the room.

If the media got its marching orders from the White House, instead of Pelosi, a firm gaslighting defense of, "well actually Trump lost the debate because he's a convicted rapist and felon" and moving on to a new news cycle, which has been a proven tactic for the 8 years before it, would've been brushed over. Normies didn't begin paying attention (they never did) until much later. When Biden wins, he steps down after 6 months and progressives get their cherished DEI candidate. 

This is the truth, and if you disagree you should start a 2025 thread.

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The reality is more Democratic voters showed up and voted for Democrats but rejected Kamala, while Biden has the single most votes in an election ever. She even had the benefit of states auto mailing ballots in battleground states. How nobody talks about how shitty she was is laughable but keep donating to her please.

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6 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

The reality is more Democratic voters showed up and voted for Democrats but rejected Kamala, while Biden has the single most votes in an election ever. She even had the benefit of states auto mailing ballots in battleground states. How nobody talks about how shitty she was is laughable but keep donating to her please.

And they would've done the same with Biden this time around. Do you think his popularity ratings being worse than Trump's after Jan 6 is just some sort of fluke? I get that this is your bit but it's time to end it. I guess you have 24 more hours of fun. 

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Just now, StassneyHorn said:

The reality is more Democratic voters showed up and voted for Democrats but rejected Kamala, while Biden has the single most votes in an election ever.

Yes, but context matters. Trump was very polarizing, very unpopular, and his handling of COVID-19 energized the voting base in a way that had never been seen before (on both sides, mind you). You say this as if it's some kind of mic drop, but in reality both Trump and Biden surpassed the previous high total for most votes in an election ever. The margin certainly wasn't the highest ever, not by a long shot, not higher than Obama's for sure.

 

1 minute ago, StassneyHorn said:

He is, because Kamala lost, badly

This is just a stupid thing to say. Yeah, she lost badly, but that doesn't mean Biden is above reproach. What are you crazy?

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6 minutes ago, mdmost said:

And they would've done the same with Biden this time around. Do you think his popularity ratings being worse than Trump's after Jan 6 is just some sort of fluke? I get that this is your bit but it's time to end it. I guess you have 24 more hours of fun. 

No you actually do not know that, and cannot know that unless you bend time. Popularity polls after the results of an election as supporting evidence would get you a C- minus in my English class because I'm an easy grader.

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5 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yes, but context matters. Trump was very polarizing, very unpopular, and his handling of COVID-19 energized the voting base in a way that had never been seen before (on both sides, mind you). You say this as if it's some kind of mic drop, but in reality both Trump and Biden surpassed the previous high total for most votes in an election ever. The margin certainly wasn't the highest ever, not by a long shot, not higher than Obama's for sure.

 

This is just a stupid thing to say. Yeah, she lost badly, but that doesn't mean Biden is above reproach. What are you crazy?

Margin is not the metric to look at. Your margin of victory doesn't mean shit as long as you win by 1 in states that matter. This isn't a gambling spread. There were more potential Joe Biden voters out there, period. Trump only won the popular vote once.
I get Libruls love to blame other people for their losses, but maybe understanding there is more old, white men than whatever new group of 20/30 alphabet soup identifiers is more important to winning.

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1 minute ago, StassneyHorn said:

Margin is not the metric to look at. Your margin of victory doesn't mean shit as long as you win by 1 in states that matter. This isn't a gambling spread. There were more potential Joe Biden voters out there, period. Trump only won the popular vote once.
I get Libruls love to blame other people for their losses, but maybe understanding there is more old, white men than whatever new group of 20/30 alphabet soup identifiers is more important to winning.

I'm not a liberal, dumbass. You quite literally used popular vote count totals to try and make a stupid point about Biden getting "the mostest votes ever" when it clearly doesn't mean a goddamn fucking thing. Also, I've been quite critical of the Harris campaign and its obviously fatal mistakes so I don't know who you think you're talking to but keep fucking that chicken, you hillbilly dipshit.

 

 

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Yes you are.

Biden having the most votes ever from a previous election means he has the largest pool of voters to go back to the well for. It actually means lots of goddamn things. Including the math that he could still lose a popular vote but win the election by winning the right states that nobody here has yet to acknowledge.

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17 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Yes you are.

Biden having the most votes ever from a previous election means he has the largest pool of voters to go back to the well for. It actually means lots of goddamn things. Including the math that he could still lose a popular vote but win the election by winning the right states that nobody here has yet to acknowledge.

Ok, so who are you even arguing with and about what?

Literally no one ever argues against the possibility of winning an election but losing the popular vote. It's happened plenty. Do you think you are making some kind of brilliant deduction no one else has thought of? Everyone knows that the voter pool is there. Everyone with a brain understands the Democrats failed to motivate them to come out and vote, for myriad reasons.

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56 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I have to admit, I find it strange that a lot of people on this board seem to think Biden is above any and all criticism, especially people like @TwiceHorn.

That's not at all what I said.

He's got a bad rap.  Some of it deserved, most of it not.

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5 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Literally no one ever argues against the possibility of winning an election but losing the popular vote. It's happened plenty. Do you think you are making some kind of brilliant deduction no one else has thought of?

Everyone knows that the voter pool is there. Everyone with a brain understands the Democrats failed to motivate them to come out and vote, for myriad reasons.

You’re first question, yes. Nobody has remotely considered for one second that a Democrat could accomplish that even though Republicans have done it twice and nearly a third time in last 6 elections.

Second point, they literally did come out to vote. For Democratic Senators. Not Kamala.

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8 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

You’re first question, yes. Nobody has remotely considered for one second that a Democrat could accomplish that even though Republicans have done it twice and nearly a third time in last 6 elections.

Second point, they literally did come out to vote. For Democratic Senators. Not Kamala.

Yes I should have qualified by saying they did not come out and vote on the Presidential ticket for myriad reasons. Is this disputed by anyone?

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1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Stassney is going to be in here in like 3 years arguing with himself like the guy on the old site. 

lol maninblack. Pretty sure that guy is off the grid in Colorado now. Perfect ending to be honest.

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30 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

lol maninblack

I don’t think that’s right MIB posts on Surly.  I think he referring to the person who stayed on Shag.  Cant remember his handle.

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1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

I don’t think that’s right MIB posts on Surly.  I think he referring to the person who stayed on Shag.  Cant remember his handle.

Badmofo. He posted here as well, mostly to be an antagonistic weirdo, but got banned shortly after the switch IIRC.

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

A dangerous precedent but if I were any of those people, I'd be really happy right now. 

I’m not sure about that. I don’t really care at this point. Fuck it. There’s so much fuckery coming, starting today. Who gives a shit? But I imagine all of these people know that they’ve done nothing wrong so they don’t need a pardon. Some probably also think, “Fuck it, okay, I’ll take it” because they know the fuckery is coming. But I’ll bet Milley at least doesn’t want it. I could be wrong but I’d like to think he’d rather call Trump’s bluff and dare Trump to come at him.

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6 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

Seems performative but who the fuck knows anymore.  The circus opens today!

Next few weeks gonna be rough, but the pre game started in the parking lot. 

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The fact that he felt Fauci needed a preemptive pardon shows how completely fucked we are as a society. The incoming admin and 70 million people don’t believe in science and are going full on Salem witch trials. We have reverted back to the 1600s. Good job everyone. 

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17 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

How so?

Yeah, the precedent is a candidate-president-elect openly threatening to prosecute his enemies, which the pardons preempt.

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27 minutes ago, mdmost said:

A dangerous precedent but if I were any of those people, I'd be really happy right now. 

 

TwiceHorn's about to learn how fast a justice department can move when it wants to.

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2 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

 

TwiceHorn's about to learn how fast a justice department can move when it wants to.

And, if that happens, we're about to see how those procedural protections provided defendants who are inclined and able to take advantage of them work.

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12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, the precedent is a candidate-president-elect openly threatening to prosecute his enemies, which the pardons preempt.

I thought you meant the pardons themselves 

 

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9 minutes ago, UTPhil2006 said:

How not so?

We elected a felon who is openly peddling favors to domestic oligarchs and foreign states. Nothing else really matters in comparison 

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2 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

Im confused why people are more upset about Biden doing this than they are that he feels the need to do so.

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8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

And, if that happens, we're about to see how those procedural protections provided defendants who are inclined and able to take advantage of them work.

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