USMNT 2024

The_Great_Hornsby · July 2

1 minute ago, alincoln said:

When Dempsey was Puli's age, he had scored 7 goals in Europe and 13 for the USMNT. Puli has 60 and 30.

Would you take a prime Dempsey over Pulisic right now? I know I would.

Gucci_Suit · July 2

2 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Would you take a prime Dempsey over Pulisic right now? I know I would.

Both

NoName · July 2

5 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Would you take a prime Dempsey over Pulisic right now? I know I would.

dieucla98 · July 2

4 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Would you take a prime Dempsey over Pulisic right now? I know I would.

Maybe. 2009 to 2012 Dempsey was special and, IMO, his peak. I don't think the question is fair because I think we're just now arriving at the start of CP's peak.

alincoln · July 2

2 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Would you take a prime Dempsey over Pulisic right now? I know I would.

I'll take the guy who just made the Serie A team of the season and who has the best goals to caps ratio in USMNT history despite playing on the wing for the worst manager in USMNT history.

alincoln · July 2

7 minutes ago, dieucla98 said:

Maybe. 2009 to 2012 Dempsey was special and, IMO, his peak. I don't think the question is fair because I think we're just now arriving at the start of CP's peak.

Puli's goals per cap is better over his career than Dempsey's was over that peak period.

dieucla98 · July 2

1 minute ago, alincoln said:

Puli's goals per cap is better over his career than Dempsey's was over that peak period.

Fair point, I didn't normalize the goal data I was looking at.

The_Great_Hornsby · July 2

9 minutes ago, alincoln said:

I'll take the guy who just made the Serie A team of the season and who has the best goals to caps ratio in USMNT history despite playing on the wing for the worst manager in USMNT history.

Well, let's see how he does under the new coach. This will be a defining world cup for him.

Derka · July 2

Dutch · July 2

3 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

The response is funny, but the original quite from Weston... Well... obviously not.

The fact that they are so rooted and attached to the MNT boss is absolutely part of the problem. They needed a new voice after the 2022 WC. Everything that has happened since is just further proof (wins vs La Tri aside, because fuck La Tri).

Edited July 2 by Dutch

Trey3216 · July 2

2 minutes ago, Dutch said:

The response is funny, but the original quite from Weston... Well... obviously not.

The fact that they are so rooted and attached to the MNT boss is absolutely part of the problem. They needed a new voice after the 2022 WC. Everything that has happened since is just further proof (wins vs La Tri aside, because fuck La Tri).

THey need a dude to walk in there and tell them... "Being the 'great generation of US football talent will get your dick sucked by a lot of girls out there. Going out and winning meaningful matches, on the world stage, on home soil....that'll get your dick sucked by all the girls out there...both here and abroad."

alincoln · July 2

The entire starting 11 is basically guaranteed to start if healthy with the possible exception of Balo (who probably locked in his position with his COPA performance). That isn't healthy. We need way more competition for spots on this team.

MNLonghornFUKM · July 2

The entire starting 11 is basically guaranteed to start if healthy with the possible exception of Balo (who probably locked in his position with his COPA performance). That isn't healthy. We need way more competition for spots on this team.

Sucks with a population of 330,000,000 losing to counties with populations smaller than half of our states….just gonna be impossible to find the talent!!

dcar00 · July 2

2 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

He’s not dude. He’s a good player but we have people referring to him as a generational talent. That’s insane. Maybe he’s that for team USA but compared to the European and South American squads he’s a JAG.

yeah. until the US figures out a way to have their best athletes decide to play soccer it is always going to be up and down. I'm not saying there is a solution to this but there is just not enough competition at the younger levels to drive the level of play to a point at which you can really compete with top 15 or so nations and you are always going to be ripe for upsets from lesser nations where soccer is king of the hill by a large margin.

alincoln · July 2

MLS academies now basically operate like academies in other countries beginning at around the U-15 level. Some USL teams have also implemented this model. We need to continue to expand this model but the development system has dramatically improved over the past decade.

Ted Lange · July 2

LOL

The Dog · July 2

53 minutes ago, alincoln said:

The entire starting 11 is basically guaranteed to start if healthy with the possible exception of Balo (who probably locked in his position with his COPA performance). That isn't healthy. We need way more competition for spots on this team.

That and giving the players the power to pick their coach. That cannot happen again.

They can have some input but that's it.

Captain Ron · July 2

27 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

LOL

As salty as Wynalda is, the whole John Harkes thing is starting to make a little more sense.

Dutch · July 2

59 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Sucks with a population of 330,000,000 losing to counties with populations smaller than half of our states….just gonna be impossible to find the talent!!

I saw this old quote pop up again on Reddit, and it's on-point.

Before Zlatan was Zlatan, he was the son of poor immigrants who moved to Sweden, developed a love of the game, and got noticed. I doubt his parents had the equivalent of $3500/yr to get him in a good club team.

Edited July 2 by Dutch

Captain Ron · July 2

33 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

LOL

This was the exchange that prompted that first tweet

The_Great_Hornsby · July 2

48 minutes ago, alincoln said:

MLS academies now basically operate like academies in other countries beginning at around the U-15 level. Some USL teams have also implemented this model. We need to continue to expand this model but the development system has dramatically improved over the past decade.

Our academies are broken and the players that get seen and developed are often the dads with the most connections and money (and those types of kids are usually bitchmade). It is a problem in most countries. But especially here.

dcar00 · July 2

5 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Our academies are broken and the players that get seen and developed are often the dads with the most connections and money (and those types of kids are usually bitchmade). It is a problem in most countries. But especially here.

I wonder what percentage of the population is in the academies in the larger countries that we are trying to compete with vs US? or maybe a US v Europe comparison.

alincoln · July 2

5 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Our academies are broken and the players that get seen and developed are often the dads with the most connections and money (and those types of kids are usually bitchmade). It is a problem in most countries. But especially here.

MLS academies are free. The rosters are racially, geographically and economically diverse. The coaches of the academies are desperately trying to advance through the ranks based on the success of their teams and the development of their players. The academies compete against each other to sign the most talented players that aren't already signed to an academy. Players who aren't good enough get cut every season.

Ted Lange · July 2

Edited July 2 by Ted Lange

The_Great_Hornsby · July 2

4 minutes ago, alincoln said:

MLS academies are free. The rosters are racially, geographically and economically diverse. The coaches of the academies are desperately trying to advance through the ranks based on the success of their teams and the development of their players. The academies compete against each other to sign the most talented players that aren't already signed to an academy. Players who aren't good enough get cut every season.

That is much different than the stories I have been hearing from parents pre 2020 (and my own experience back in the late 90s/early 00s). Did something change?

Edit: I have also been hearing recently that the MLS next academies arent even where the highest level of play is in some areas and has fallen out of favor for the ECNL.

Edited July 2 by The_Great_Hornsby

alincoln · July 2

ECNL teams have arrangements with MLS clubs to send their best players to the MLS academies. Over 90% of the USYNT players are from MLS academies. The MLS academies improve every year as the system continues to professionalize.

InkaUtexas · July 2

1 hour ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Sucks with a population of 330,000,000 losing to counties with populations smaller than half of our states….just gonna be impossible to find the talent!!

Panama has just of 4 million. I won't get into Bolivia since few will venture into the mountains to count. Uruguay has half of the people of the DFW area.

It is a cultural issue for us. It crosses the entire way we look at the game.

InkaUtexas · July 2

33 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

Why are we even sending an Olympic team?

Kringelbert Fishtybuns · July 2

6 hours ago, WBT said:

Watching the replay I finally realized he didn't play advantage. A Uruguayan put his hand on the ball to set it and played a quick restart. Now that also shouldn't be allowed while you're in the process of holding up a card but he didn't actually play an advantage.

Which is why CBs are taught from the age of 8 to either grab/fall on the ball or kick it to row Z in that scenario. When the whistle blows, you do whatever it takes to ensure the attack stops and your defense gets set.

Richards has to grab the ball and then go protest the foul/card.

Hagbard Celine · July 2

4 hours ago, alincoln said:

When Dempsey was Puli's age, he had scored 7 goals in Europe and 13 for the USMNT. Puli has 60 and 30.

to be fair, dempsey's career began at age 24 when he graduated from furman and joined the revs

it is hard to believe but the international soccer economy penetrated youth development in the US less than 10 years ago and we already take it for granted....

.... because we should, because it's the natural order of things.....

.... like the metric system ....

..... and firing gutless spineless slugs after they get a full cycle and get beat by a team whose manager said his strategy was wait for us to fuck up

Captain Ron · July 2

51 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Why are we even sending an Olympic team?

Because we fucking qualified. It’s a U-23 tournament so think of it as youth training at a high level tournament.

Hagbard Celine · July 2

4 hours ago, alincoln said:

I'll take the guy who just made the Serie A team of the season and who has the best goals to caps ratio in USMNT history despite playing on the wing for the worst manager in USMNT history.

team clint

pulisic is better

clint is a leader

Hagbard Celine · July 2

1. shoot gergg

2. write blank check to klopp

3. turn over the olympic team to him

4. ?

5. profit

DO IT NOW

DO IT TODAY

fucking spineless federation is wasting precious time

mortgage the fucking estate

the fucking plane has hit the mountain dude!

MoJames · July 2

Did you guys really expect anything different?

Brisketexan · July 2

Our academies are broken and the players that get seen and developed are often the dads with the most connections and money (and those types of kids are usually bitchmade). It is a problem in most countries. But especially here.

This…at least, that was consistent with what we saw and experienced when we worked with a foster kid in an academy. It became very clear very quickly that it was a political/nepotism game that we had no chance of playing.

InkaUtexas · July 2

3 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Because we fucking qualified. It’s a U-23 tournament so think of it as youth training at a high level tournament.

Missed that part. well shit,

LTtxfan · July 2

ESPN FC

United States eliminated from Copa América: Carli Lloyd & Alexi Lalas react

Hagbard Celine · July 2

27 minutes ago, MoJames said:

Did you guys really expect anything different?

we held out hope to the bitter end

miracles happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulović

alincoln · July 3

1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

to be fair, dempsey's career began at age 24 when he graduated from furman and joined the revs

? He started with NE and USMNT when he was 21.

Captain Ron · July 3

Captain Ron · July 3

2 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

Because we fucking qualified. It’s a U-23 tournament so think of it as youth training at a high level tournament.

2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Missed that part. well shit,

So it's a modified U-23 tournament with 3 players over that age limit allowed. But it's also not a FIFA tournament - so clubs don't have to release players for it, in fact they can restrict them from playing.

That brings us to the team we're sending and how UNSERIOUS we are, the US was asking for Jordan Morris. He's 29, but has the knees of an egyptian mummy:

Edited July 3 by Captain Ron

InkaUtexas · July 3

Thanks @Captain Ron

Captain Ron · July 3

This rant is good

Derka · July 3

Hagbard Celine · July 3

3 hours ago, alincoln said:

? He started with NE and USMNT when he was 21.

my bad

getting old

Napoleon · July 3

13 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

BTW to everyone worried 'Maybe there is a way Gregg survives this", given the chatter there is no way I can see how that happens:

CBS Sports - https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/gregg-berhalter-guides-usa-soccer-to-copa-america-failure-three-reasons-why-its-time-to-move-on/

ESPN - https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/40478786/why-us-soccer-needs-move-berhalter-copa-failure

Fox Sports - https://www.foxsports.com/stories/soccer/what-usa-stunning-elimination-from-copa-america-says-about-gregg-berhalter

Yahoo Sports - https://sports.yahoo.com/usmnts-copa-america-flop-should-cost-gregg-berhalter-his-job-will-it-075418477.html

The Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jul/02/gregg-berhalter-hasnt-lost-the-locker-room-but-he-should-lose-his-job

The Sporting News - https://www.sportingnews.com/us/soccer/news/will-usa-fire-gregg-berhalter-copa-america-disaster-usmnt/d2239638110d4687659f9300

Washington Post - https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/07/02/gregg-berhalter-usmnt-job-status/

The Athletic - https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5610035/2024/07/01/usmnt-out-copa-america-uruguay-takeaways/

This chatter is way too damn loud, the fact that there are so many articles up asking about this ...

I thought that the U.S. needed to have lost to Jamaica’s B-team when they got that ~95’ own goal to push it to O.T. AND then get grouped in the Copa America.

But things have changed…

1) Before the Copa started, but after getting embarrassed 5 - 1 by Colombia, talking heads started questioning whether Berhalter should be retained if he does not make the Semifinals.

**This felt like Eric Dickerson being kicked off of the LA Rams sidelines by Jeff Fisher.**

2) Then we got grouped.

**This felt like people starting to look at Jeff Fisher’s career record and starting to realize that :

-Fisher was a .500 coach after 20+ seasons in the NFL.

-Fisher was about to become tied for THE LOSINGEST COACH IN NFL HISTORY and the Rams would be forever attached to that record. **

The Soccer Media, Soccer Fanatics, Soccer Enthusiasts, and Soccer Casuals are all focusing on the regression and speaking out. This would have seemed impossible just a month ago.

After drawing with Wales in game one of the World Cup, I wouldn’t have minded seeing that end of game roller by Iran cross the goal line, because it was already very obvious that Berhalter was a shit coach and we were never going anywhere with him in charge.

Then the Reyna-Berhalter Affair seemed to provide US Soccer a lifeline to “Go a different direction.”, but after Christian, Tyler, & Weston (my guess) rejected Jesse for the comfort of Gregg, it was like a poorly written sequel.

US Soccer knew that Gregg’s return would be unpopular, so they held him out of managing the Gold Cup, but had BJ runout Gregg’s losing plan for the B-team and we sucked.

But FINALLY, I think that US Soccer is more likely than not to make a change… but they are holding off to see how long the uproar lasts.

gsoda3 · July 3

7 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

As salty as Wynalda is, the whole John Harkes thing is starting to make a little more sense.

What's the John harkes thing?

Captain Ron · July 3

3 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

What's the John harkes thing?

Harkes fucked his wife before the 98 World Cup. He was kicked off the team, but the damage was done.

Rephrase they had been having an affair a while. It got to Wynalda before the World Cup.

Edited July 3 by Captain Ron

Captain Ron · July 3

34 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

I thought that the U.S. needed to have lost to Jamaica’s B-team when they got that ~95’ own goal to push it to O.T. AND then get grouped in the Copa America.

But things have changed…

1) Before the Copa started, but after getting embarrassed 5 - 1 by Colombia, talking heads started questioning whether Berhalter should be retained if he does not make the Semifinals.

**This felt like Eric Dickerson being kicked off of the LA Rams sidelines by Jeff Fisher.**

2) Then we got grouped.

**This felt like people starting to look at Jeff Fisher’s career record and starting to realize that :

-Fisher was a .500 coach after 20+ seasons in the NFL.

-Fisher was about to become tied for THE LOSINGEST COACH IN NFL HISTORY and the Rams would be forever attached to that record. **

The Soccer Media, Soccer Fanatics, Soccer Enthusiasts, and Soccer Casuals are all focusing on the regression and speaking out. This would have seemed impossible just a month ago.

After drawing with Wales in game one of the World Cup, I wouldn’t have minded seeing that end of game roller by Iran cross the goal line, because it was already very obvious that Berhalter was a shit coach and we were never going anywhere with him in charge.

Then the Reyna-Berhalter Affair seemed to provide US Soccer a lifeline to “Go a different direction.”, but after Christian, Tyler, & Weston (my guess) rejected Jesse for the comfort of Gregg, it was like a poorly written sequel.

US Soccer knew that Gregg’s return would be unpopular, so they held him out of managing the Gold Cup, but had BJ runout Gregg’s losing plan for the B-team and we sucked.

But FINALLY, I think that US Soccer is more likely than not to make a change… but they are holding off to see how long the uproar lasts.

Actually I don’t think you were that far off. We needed to be grouped AND something unthinkable happening.

I mean the idea of losing to Panama at home was seriously unthinkable, until it happened.

The Colombia game did put everyone on notice though.

Napoleon · July 3

10 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

What's the John harkes thing?

8 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Harkes fucked his wife before the 98 World Cup. He was kicked off the team, but the damage was done.

Rephrase they had been having an affair a while. It got to Wynalda before the World Cup.

A little more…

John Harkes was the team captain.

Perhaps you could say that they were having leadership issues.

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